The Open Forum Episode 51

Episode 51 of 'The Open Forum' where Christians, Atheists are invited to join the discussion. Guests will be invited on a first come first serve basis. Please note we can only have a maximum of 10 panelists (including efdawah panelists) at any one time.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:57 - EF Dawah Panel join: Format of the Stream
02:35 - Review of DawahWise's Qadiani streams
11:15 - Robin (Arian Christian) joins
12:32 - Message to Robin
15:17 - Robin's arguments for the Bible
18:42 - Issues with Robin's arguments
23:48 - Robin's claims about the Bible & Qur'an
26:11 - Debunking the claims of Robin
27:44 - Robin's arguments for the Holy Spirit
28:59 - Problems with Robin's arguments
31:53 - Robin's claims about Christianity
34:05 - Refutation of Robin's claims
42:34 - Explanation of Qur'an 2:233 & 46:15
52:52 - Sam joins
53:26 - Monergism vs Synergism
55:19 - God's Sovereignity & Predestination in Islam
58:47 - Salah & Prayer in Islam
1:10:54 - The Muslim Lantern joins: Dawah Talk
1:13:54 - Josh (Christian) joins
1:15:02 - Jesus in Islam vs Christianity
1:17:33 - Issues with the Divinity of Jesus
1:18:45 - Josh's arguments for Jesus being God
1:19:46 - Problems with Josh's arguments
1:23:52 - Debunking Josh's arguments for the Trinity
2:02:09 - No Forgiveness in Christianity
2:08:03 - God's mercy in Islam vs Christianity
2:13:34 - Michael (Atheist) joins
2:14:05 - Michael's question about Jinn
2:15:11 - Advice to Michael
2:20:31 - Answering Michael's contentions
2:23:54 - Discussion with Michael on Islam
2:38:47 - Welsh (Christian) joins

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Intro 00:57 - EF Dawah Panel join: Format of the Stream 02:35 - Review of DawahWise's Qadiani streams 11:15 - *Robin (Arian Christian) joins* 12:32 - Message to Robin 15:17 - Robin's arguments for the Bible 18:42 - Issues with Robin's arguments 23:48 - Robin's claims about the Bible & Qur'an 26:11 - Debunking the claims of Robin 27:44 - Robin's arguments for the Holy Spirit 28:59 - Problems with Robin's arguments 31:53 - Robin's claims about Christianity 34:05 - Refutation of Robin's claims 42:34 - Explanation of Qur'an 2:233 & 46:15 52:52 - *Sam joins* 53:26 - Monergism vs Synergism 55:19 - God's Sovereignity & Predestination in Islam 58:47 - Salah & Prayer in Islam 1:10:54 - *The Muslim Lantern joins:* Dawah Talk 1:13:54 - *Josh (Christian) joins* 1:15:02 - Jesus in Islam vs Christianity 1:17:33 - Issues with the Divinity of Jesus 1:18:45 - Josh's arguments for Jesus being God 1:19:46 - Problems with Josh's arguments 1:23:52 - Debunking Josh's arguments for the Trinity 2:02:09 - No Forgiveness in Christianity 2:08:03 - God's mercy in Islam vs Christianity 2:13:34 - *Michael (Atheist) joins* 2:14:05 - Michael's question about Jinn 2:15:11 - Advice to Michael 2:20:31 - Answering Michael's contentions 2:23:54 - Discussion with Michael on Islam 2:38:47 - *Welsh (Christian) joins* SubhanAllah ❤️💛💙 Wonderful Stream 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you all and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻

[@Twenty-ll8vo]

Why is the date of the stream 8th of September instead October?

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllah'u khairan brother

[@kennyanibaba3839]

Oh no, we had Robin for almost an hour again?!

[@slimanipdr]

May Allah bless you brother.

[@dm_1236]

Please pray for our Ummah in Palestine and Afghanistan and Libya and everywhere! Please, especially Afghanistan and Palestine. Donate if you can to the humanitarian relief!

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllah'u khairan

[@slimanipdr]

It's was nice to see brother Mohammed in the panel. May Allah bless you all.

[@AdrianMuslim]

YES! Love that brother!

[@fayezakamal3778]

So happy to see brother Muhammad Alu here. May Allah bless all of you. Ameen ❤

[@Millicomics]

To the argument that six month old babies don’t survive, I was born on the 24th week, (six months), 680 grams almost 27 years ago. Today they can save babies weighing much less as well but not babies born on earlier weeks as far as I know. Allahu Akbar! May Allah keep us safe and grant us Jannah out of His mercy! 🤲

[@sbludba]

I was born at 6 months 63 years ago. My Mom, may Allah bless her soul, told me I spent another 6 months in the hospital before she got to carry me home.

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@The_Servant_of_The_Almighty]

May Allah Protect and increase u all in this life and in the afterlife.

[@freeman7983]

Baraaka ALLAHU fikoum

[@Badri31333]

جزاك اللهُ خيراً

[@AshrafKnowledgeSeeker]

My favourite guys, now one team together mashallah 😍 May Allah give you sincerity & use you for his sake

[@liljaa046]

Awww, I like Sam. Sam welcome back anytime 👋🏾

[@whome4851]

It funny how they start to mock Islam and they are soo busy to prove Islam wrong instead of just start a journey of seeking the TRUTH!

[@ridhuan2335]

Thanks

[@homtanks7259]

May Allah reward you 🤝🏻

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllah'u khairan brothers 👌🏻

[@liljaa046]

I was correct Josh jumps on different streams WITH THE SAME QUESTIONS/ARGUMENTS to see if we differ. Honestly, your actions speak louder than words and you trying to see the division of muslims just bc you have that in christianity it does not automate that islam is also as diverse. Maa shaa Allah Muhammad is as usual on point and does not accept any waffle abt the subject or going to another thing.

[@ScoobyFahmi922]

Add Bro Ijaz and Hashim and I think this is the Dream Team

[@Skywalker0021]

i missed you guys and nice too see Robin :)

[@homtanks7259]

Nice to see Robin? 🤨

[@Skywalker0021]

@@homtanks7259 yes , is aways fun with him :)

[@seanou2837]

🤮

[@leonidasanaxandridas6163]

Young Welsh (Snoop) is always hilarious 😂 😂

[@stevemcroy2020]

Look how confused Christians are when you ask them about forgiveness in their religion. Lol How on earth can a person think that Christianity is true

[@IstanbulBeautyOne]

The common thing in this episode not even one sincere guest

[@homtanks7259]

Unfortunately

[@estonian44]

1:16:46 learn different perspectives, take note, find answers, and come to attack.

[@RayOfHope8]

❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@putnicesaquranom]

01:10:55 ma sha' Allah

[@AbdullahArguer]

I kind of feel bad yosh was getting destroyed and he kind of stopped focusing and got a lot in his head

[@homtanks7259]

Sometimes it makes click , but we will see if he is sincere

[@user-nk9yn5cv7e]

Dr Imran really has a cute smile....he smiles like a baby.

[@saktabashier8414]

Wow. We haven't heard from Snoop for a while.

[@homtanks7259]

He should stay away from streams

[@seanou2837]

Michael, the nervous sipping.

[@estonian44]

24:40 i dno much but i think... there should be fixed time for rob, like 30min max.

[@seanou2837]

Micheal searches islam from a hateful dark place.

[@putnicesaquranom]

It is just SO painful listening people uttering lies about Allah. May Allah reward you for your patience. I don't know I could. It hurts TOO much.

[@TT-cv9px]

I notice that the brothers Abbas and Imran are always ill nowadays. Could this be a side effect of the ja6? It may have weakened their natural immune system. May Allah keep them healthy

[@ihatechriss]

Mashallah Muhummad Ali's closing statement are today's Christians in a nutshell. And all Christians should really reflect on his words. Im paraphrasing, They (the Christians) have introduced a new belief that was not there. it's something that Jesus did not teach, his disciples did not believe nor preach, no one ever believed it at that time, it is a new belief that was developed 400 years later. Therefore, as a Christian what you have to do is you have to add words to your Revelation to justify your belief because the words in themselves in your bible do not reflect your new belief , simply because it was invented later. May Allah SWT guide the sincere

[@tefazDK]

Son of man does not mean that person also has a divine nature. Then we're all divine.

[@MrArmeg]

👍🇲🇾

[@Alaa-Darawsheh]

Daniel 7 : 13-14 doesn’t say that the one like unto son of man received the dominion but he gave the dominion to the one which the one like unto son of a man was brought near him before him - read the translation of tanakh the Hebrew Scriptures , this is the prophecy of the Holy Qur’an revelation.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

you muslims say Bible is corrupted but you want to quote verses out of context and force it as prophecy of islam,this is a false claim and hypocritical of muslims because most OT prophecies are fulfilled in NT (as this son of man prophecy) and has nothing to do with islam as the nessage in quran that came 600yrs after Bible message is totally contadictory to the Bible message of salvation for mankind through the blood of Jesus Christ!!

[@umairakhtar6669]

27:57 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@majorvita2627]

38:36 Hahaha... Francis of Assisi led the Crusaders, yes of course he had the spirit of Christ very powerful (killing) way.

[@arabianknight0000]

Have you seen the South Park episode where they defecate from the mouth? That's Robin and Frank.

[@homtanks7259]

South Park is degeneracy at it's best

[@homtanks7259]

........and no, I haven't seen this episode

[@arabianknight0000]

@@homtanks7259 you don't have to. You just have to watch Robin and Frank to see defecation from the mouth

[@homtanks7259]

@@arabianknight0000 also known as verbal diarrhea

[@SamSam-bt9fn]

Nice to see brother Mohammed Ali on this stream...Michael is a sad old crazy man...not sincere...just waffling

[@zak9102]

Michael how would you know if you are already possessed?

[@TheKenOhRaoh]

Doesn't seem right to keep giving Young Welsh a platform. He clearly has mental health issues. Not fair on him to facilitate humiliating himself when he doesn't understand that's what's going on.

[@zatoonh]

Please keep the debates 30 min. Because these guys that come on just goes round in circles then they also bring 2 other issues in. Keep it to one Question.

[@uksultan3920]

Muslims should donate ASAP to Palestine 🇸🇩 - instead of just talking. And make Du'a

[@wisamy5286]

*🇵🇸

[@abdulla.binayaf]

70 years donation been going on and still palatinian are ungrateful and cursing the GCC. So, we'll not fall for this anymore.

[@uksultan3920]

@@abdulla.binayaf You're a paid Zionist account. This proves you fear Muslims Donating and Uniting Together to send these accounts everywhere on Muslim channels.

[@darkday8913]

​@@abdulla.binayafgo make peace deals with Israel you zindeeq.

[@reddfoxx1]

So money is worth more than dua???

[@zak9102]

Josh got so trapped he had no way out of the conversation and he tried his best come on bro Christianity is false religion bro.

[@echo.ichigo]

Why does God need a Human Nature to Understand the Human?

[@omzee6236]

Robin asked the same question on Hamza den and a brother on the panel answered him just like brother Imran did and he gave a context to the ayah and why it was revealed and here we are again. He's not genuine and it's such a waste of time to bother with him.

[@intymalik132]

Agreed I personally don't think he is searching for the truth if he was he would have already embraced Islam after the countless conversations he's had with all these brothers online who have given him genuine proofs of the truth of Islam

[@GabrielA-mw4in]

I think Josh needs to take time out from these streams and reflect. He's going from stream to stream and spending hours asking the same questions and using it like a debate. May Allah guide him

[@homtanks7259]

May Allah guide the sincere

[@salaamalaikumX]

Agreed. I think he's a nice guy really i hope for his guidance

[@tomprieto9115]

​@@homtanks7259he's fakw

[@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi]

i remember this guy now: Anwar Nasser Abdulla al-Awlaki (Arabic: أنور العولقي, romanized: Anwar al-'Awlaqī; 21 or 22 April 1971 - 30 September 2011) was an American Islamic scholar and lecturer who was killed in 2011 in Yemen by a U.S. government drone strike ordered by President Barack Obama. Al-Awlaki became the first U.S. citizen to be targeted and killed by a drone strike from the U.S. government.[7][8] U.S. government officials argued that Awlaki was a key organizer for the Islamist terrorist group al-Qaeda, and in June 2014, a previously classified memorandum issued by the U.S. Department of Justice was released, justifying al-Awlaki's death as a lawful act of war.[9] Civil liberties advocates have described the incident as "an extrajudicial execution" that breached al-Awlaki's constitutional right to due process, including a trial.[10] yes he was killed for treason.

[@zak9102]

Michael what is your motivation and What is your goal cuz it's clear you're not here to learn about Islam. You can't even formulate an argument ? I've asked you to give me your best argument and I've not heard back from you.

[@myuzairy7324]

_yes he was killed for treason_ So US government made the accusation itself, US government provided the classified memo to justify the action itself, and the US government authorized the whole thing itself. Judge, jury, executioner. Seems pretty one-sided, yes? What's the victim's defense - oh that's right, he got silenced.

[@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi]

@@zak9102 have you never heard of the socratic method. " I've asked you to give me your best argument and I've not heard back from you." i get banned for 24 hour a lot by yt. i think i typed out a whole long thing and it was blocked. the long and the short of it is that belief in jinn is silly. also the supposedly 'perfect divine revelation' is much less than perfect. so what do you think of your hamas brothers for shooting women and children?

[@putnicesaquranom]

All respect etc. But polytheism is polytheism.

[@EzioYuio]

This Michael malzahn guy is one of the most *insincere* person I've seen. Multiple times I've seen him act politely but keeps asking questions that are irrelevant and not really interested in truth.

[@realislam202]

@Sam it is perfectly ok to pry in your own language whole prayer, but it preferable to at least say sorah Faateha in Arabic+ one small aya of Quran.

[@majorvita2627]

2:44:00 Young Welsh is very young, more like goo goo gaga. No commandments apply to him. He is making an ass out of him, bad impression on the whole religion.

[@nghaider]

Trying to follow these absurd nonsensical "Christian" explanations will make your brain into yogurt (as we say in Urdu, "Dimagh ki dahee"). I try to imagine them in their school days; must be at the bottom of the class.

[@yesImAliveYeees]

I smell something fishy about this Michael guy! If he is not interested in becoming muslim, why is he spending most of his time researching islam!

[@aladdinsane404]

If he's sincere he will eventually accept the truth of Islam. If he's not - he will spend the rest of his time trying to dis-prove it. His questioning about having relations with Jinn kind of of already implies he has run out of steam 😂 Either way may Allah guide him.

[@zoezoom110]

Humble request from you brothers please stop bringing Robin on as he always talk about Muslim biases while being biase himself ,,,he always do that same like frank...

[@homtanks7259]

Both of them are in the final stages of Blind Faith

[@desmondmansingh5175]

THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GIVEN TO ALL CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE IN TRI-UNE GOD BUT IT'S FOR US WHIO ARE ABLE TO DISCERN THE GUIDENCE OF THE SPIRIT AND ARE ABLE TO OBEY THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH GOD'S WORD WICH ALSO GIVES US DIFFERENT FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT WICH CAN BE SEEN IN EVERY CHRISTIAN'S LIFE STYLE WHO IS LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!!

[@desmondmansingh5175]

Breast feeding 24months for a child and how long for adults because there is a pe4iod for adults as well!!

[@AbdullahArguer]

There is not period for the adults im pretty sure that hadith was about how the kid was about to be an adult and still was technically not the son of his mother since he never drank the breast milk of her or something, so he had to drink the breast milk from a cup in order to become the religous equivalent of a accepted biological son. Im pretty sure he wasnt a adult he was a kid and he had to take it before puberty or before he became a man

[@desmondmansingh5175]

WITHOUT LIES ISLAM DIES,IF MUSLIMS READ THE EZEKIEL:18V21 VERSE IN CONTEXT IT IN FACT SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SACRIFICES FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS BECAUSE VERSE MENTION DOING DECREES (WICH IS LAW IN OT) AND IN OLD COVENANT SACRIFICES WAS LAW AND EZEKIEL IS OT SO IT CLEARLY SHOWS MUSLIMS USE THIS VERSE OUT OF CONTEXT AND DECEIVE BY SAYING VERSE SHOWS GOD FORGIVE WITHOUT SACRIFICE AND IN FACT IT'S THE OPPOSITE!! READ WHAT JESUS CHRIST IN NT HIMSELF SAYS ABOUT FORGIVENESS OF SINS IN MATTHEW:26V28 WICH IS PARALLEL TO EZEKIEL:18V21

[@TraderJasmine]

You all must have the most confused Holy spirit by the looks of it. Every christian claim they have the spirit yet they all have different view of the trinity, the meaning of the scripture and worshipping Jesus or the Father or the holy Spirit.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

In islam there are also sects who have different believes up until today wich contradicts each other!!

[@SajidAli-pn5ut]

We have 1 Quran The same prophet Worship the same Allah. We have some differences on other matters. Whats your point.

[@seanou2837]

Ignorance is not bliss...educate yourself!

[@realislam202]

@Abbas no where in Quran it says that if you difference go back to Quran and hadith, only Quran is infallible not Hadith, Quran is rope of God we all should go back to, with due respect please don't mislead people.

[@EpikMunk]

Why you lying for? The Quran says to refer back to Allah and his Messenger.

[@realislam202]

@EpikMunk The Prophet said himself, “Verily, this Quran is a rope. One end is in the hand of Allah, and the other end is in your hands. Hold fast to it, for you will never be led astray or ruined ever again.” he never said this for his saying, There are many false, fabricated, wrong hadith ascribed to prophetMuhammadpbuh. Even the ones that are authentic can be false or open for interpretation only. The Quran is infallible words of God.

[@TraderJasmine]

​@@EpikMunkcareful seems like he/she is hadith rejector whilst at the same time use hadith whenever they need make their case just as you can see in their response to your comment. Ask them basic islamic pillar questions: how to perform hajj, how to pray, how to pray jummah, how much is zakat and when to pay it?

[@TraderJasmine]

​@@realislam202the same fake hadith is brought to you by the same narrators as the Quran.

[@EpikMunk]

@@realislam202 "If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best and most commendable in the end."Al-Qur'an 4:59 You said no where in the Quran it says to go back to the Quran and Hadith. Well, here's the verse so you were lying.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

It is hypocritical to say previous scripture has been corrupted and minipulated but yet most stories has been copied by islam and although diluted ut can still be seen,islam does not have doctranes wich leads to salvation for your soul instead it can only boast the fact that allah is absolute unique one yet unlike anything in creation and thus cannot give clearity on who alla really is unlike the True and Living God of Bible who is Spirit,three distinct persons in the One God,same in essence,always in agreement who was revealed to mankind in the person of Christ foretold in Jewish scriptures (Torah) and revealed in NT (Injeel) fulfilled prophecies of the Messiah (Jesus Christ) who is God's Word who came and set an example to mankind!! Read John:1v1-3,14 also Philippians:2v5-8

[@sbludba]

Verbal Diarrhea

[@nutzhazel]

What example? A God that was being sacrificed in the worst possible way by his enemies and rejoiced by his followers?

[@noenamfam]

are you done spamming? make your own vids then instead of spamming

[@seanou2837]

Jesus was sacrificed on the altar of satan.

[@myuzairy7324]

@@noenamfam He won't. He knows he'll get refuted within seconds.

[@superkarim70]

Question to our Muslim fellows: Where does it says in the Quran that ISSA ( Jesus) will return back? As far as i know,Allah said that ISSA (Jesus) is dead then ascended to his creator.

[@HussainFahmy]

[@mzaiful]

Delusional