Effeciency is Overrated

[@dewanewelch1744]

Its not over rated. It just has to be used in the proper context.

[@adamfeliciano6321]

As in Kobe best the most 50 win teams of all time and in most title runs only several won less than 50. Goat efficiency.

[@TheTyronecus]

Most don't nuance

[@MadPaperMario]

Nba fans have never heard of the word context to be fair those 2 in the same sentence just dont work

[@blu.8481]

id say it is. People are saying SGA's better then AI bc he was inefficient, but who cares if he's doing 30, 40, 50 pts?

[@jasongibbs3713]

@blu.8481 lol somebody actually said that? Smh

[@Keepit100Dre]

Kobe had the highest TS percentage during the 2000s of the top 5 scoring averages. The 2000s were the least efficient era ever. Everyone was inefficient compare to other eras, but only Kobe and Kareem led their decade of the top 5 in scoring average, ts percentage, and total scoring.

[@patrick05Morgan]

That’s a great point. And also Kobe’s true shooting and efficiency is virtually the same as Tim Duncan’s and people view Tim Duncan as one of the most fundamental and efficient players ever. Also, the efficiency of Duncan’s mid range and bank shots have been constantly overrated.

[@maartenvz]

So many people fail to understand how big the impact of illegal defence was and how team defences evolved much faster than offenses after illegal defence was gone in the early 2000s. The Detroit Pistons - Los Angeles Lakers finals was the peek of advanced team defence destroys non-spaced/slow offense.

[@franalytics5995]

His relative true shooting was still average. His shot selection was bad. Let's not make excuses for Kobe. Extreme talented player but could've been even better

[@Keepit100Dre]

@ lol no it wasn’t for the 2000s.

[@gqprince2]

theres no way it was higher than Ray

[@israel2hotty]

kobe was efficient tho, like he was above league average true shooting throughout most of his prime.

[@Flossy2K.]

I noticed a lot of people tend to exaggerate how inefficient Kobe was. When we check the stats, he actually wasn’t shooting bad, especially considering the type of shots he was taking & the fact he got doubled & faced a lot of defensive pressure

[@abtocool6350]

Kobe’s true shooting percentage was actually higher than league average every year until he tore his Achilles.

[@R.G.962]

On top of the fact that he was constantly shooting long 2s which is naturally just the most inefficient shot in this analytical era but the mid range is the main shot for volume shooters back in the day

[@birdsroblox2418]

@@abtocool6350 ts is one of the most overrated advanced metrics. his fg% wasnt great at all.

[@abtocool6350]

@@birdsroblox2418 TS is actually efficiency though.

[@calebburt180]

The greatest peaks on timmy really showed me what made him so good. He was actually a little inefficient for his position due to his limited athleticism and lack of an outside touch when compared to dudes of similar caliber like KG and Dirk. He made up for it with o boards off his own miss ala Charles Barkley.

[@damonsonnier34]

@@calebburt180 Tim Duncan was a more efficient player from the floor than both Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki during their careers. However, with Dirk, he had a couple of hyper efficient seasons where he shot close to or over 50/40/90.

[@Youngster543210]

​@@damonsonnier34He wasn't more efficient than Dirk.

[@Makspleks99]

​@@damonsonnier34 Dirk was more effecient than Timmy, KG and Duncan were about the same

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@damonsonnier34 Do you mean in the paint? Dirk was definitely more efficiency with overall shooting

[@brendan3966]

Can you have multiple super-aggressive players on the same team? The efficient player may give you more flexibility with the rest of the roster.

[@glyle2504]

KD has no argument whatsoever to be better than Kobe Bryant lmao. Defense, passing, playmaking, scoring, winning…Kobe is top 3, KD is top 13.

[@AumontGreenhow]

KD got him in scoring ppg

[@josephrush8078]

Kd is a better offensive threat and defensively is better interior all around and is a better rebounder leaving Kobe to be a better peremiter defender, playmaker, and debatable mid range but good finishing

[@Wemby73]

Kobe is not top 3 but I agree with everything else

[@jackguyett9237]

but he do tho... kd a better scorer lol kobe was cheeks from three and kd just more polished offensively. also can make an argument for being a better playmaker due to his offensive gravity wherever he is on the court. kd a better rim protector and interior defender and he also a highly underrated perimeter defender. also wym the 1x mvp 2x fmvp kobe bryant is top 3? cmon bro maybe top 7

[@kjjr3270]

Kobe is NOT Top 3, he not even Top 5. Bron, MJ, Kareem, Magic, Duncan all better.

[@gangstergang1654]

I love the clips in the video and great points about Kobe and Westbrook's playstyles are tenacious in playing to win.Good video.

[@damonsonnier34]

If efficiency is overrated, then Charles Barkley, Kevin McHale, and Giannis are overrated players. They are the only players to score 25PTS+ and shoot 60FG%+ in NBA history.

[@notaancienthistoryblogger]

true

[@sgrey9181]

People always be sleeping on my boy Kevin McHale

[@Gwapman375]

They are not overrated stop the foolishness

[@joshuagregory8425]

Hes not calling the playerd that are efficient overrated but you are also talking about post players not perimeter players you wont see McHale, Giannis or Barkley run an iso, you will dee them post up

[@rickysoup]

it’s different when ur a big man. if ur a big man, shooting under 50% from the field is below average

[@zaytowven1]

Efficiency doesn’t matter when it leads to winning 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@revyty3134]

I love this video. Kd one of my fav players n ive watched mans whole career. I was pissed in the 2014 wcf cuz bro wouldnt shoot more. SA and kawhi obvi played great defense n held him to about 46%, off top, and 46 aint bad but the thing im mad at is kd basically got to points of the game where he was passive asf but aint a good playmaker so he jus sidelined himself n ultimately westbrook ended up averaging more shot attempts for that series which should never happen ina CF. I mean hes kevin durant. Ur team wanna live and die by the shots he takes not brodie , as much obvi

[@jakmedfurd-ew4lj]

He just gave you like a handful of games where that isn’t true😭

[@zaytowven1]

@jakmedfurd-ew4lj nah efficiency doesn’t matter in basketball it just doesn’t

[@Wemby73]

@@zaytowven1efficiency matters a lot if someone goes 20 percent from the field but scores 30 that team isn’t going to be consistently winning games

[@Youngster543210]

​@zaytowven1 Efficiency is literally the ONLY thing that matters in basketball lol. In basketball, you CANNOT get more possessions in a game than your opponent does (you can get 1 more if you win the tip). To outscore the opponent you have to make more efficient use of the games possessions than the opponent does. That's literally the only way you can win lol. Therefore, a player's scoring impact is determined by how frequently he scores the ball and how efficiently he scores it. KD scores more frequently and more efficiently than kobe. The end

[@birdo9039]

Dope video. I’ve been preaching some of these same points in the basketball circles I frequent. Man it’s a tough conversation lol, there is a growing community of analytic obsessed basketball viewers who ONLY can process the game through analytics .They can’t understand that sometimes, PRODUCTION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EFFICIENCY!

[@DieSloeNow]

THANK YOU!!

[@roscoedash6673]

Most of them don’t even watch games. They just read box scores and base their opinions on that.

[@jmgonzales7701]

there are very broad perspectives and types of efficiency. The way you play for example do you only need to use 2-3 dribble moves to get a shot off? i call that efficiency. there is also defensive efficiency. Kobe was not an efficient scorer he definitely was a more streaky/ rhythm player but who cares if you win? winning fixes everything. I believe you can be both productive and efficient it goes hand and hand and those 2 cannot be separated.

[@okeythegoat2332]

Who’s ur goat fam 😂

[@birdo9039]

@@okeythegoat2332 lol damn sure ain’t Chris brown

[@slimeyladude]

Got my subscription just for bringing this up. I can tell you really know your hoops bro. Keep it up 💯

[@FunNHonesty]

To have Kobe or Russell mindset players on your squad, you need amazing offensive rebounders to win it all or another superstar player that is extremely efficient to make up for your lack of efficiency

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Kobe didn’t have the greatest rebounders on his team when he won in 09 and 10, but by no means were they the worst. I think it’s more if you can affect the offense from a team perspective and not an individual perspective, which can come from rebounding, screening, and passing

[@wyattfriend7360]

When Kobe played.. the average true shooting was 52% now the average is 58%. I’ve been saying this for a long time.. Kobe with a 54-57% true shooting throughout his career was never inefficient, it’s an unfortunate narrative.

[@ResidentNick]

Agreed. What's crazy is that Kobe always maintained a rTS% of +3% throughout his prime, which was considerably higher than most of his peers in the 2guard position and on par with someone like Tim Duncan. With a rTS of +3%, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think Bryant would've average a TS of 61% in today's NBA.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@ResidentNick And that’s assuming just a direct jump. But with Kobe, I think it’s more interesting to highlight how he’d likely be shooting less long 2’s, more 3’s, passing more, and not having as many difficult shots to take, which would bump his %’s up to like 63-64%

[@anryXcurse]

Kobe and Duncan have the same career ts% but no one called Ducan inefficient. edit: Kobe took a lot of shot yes, but Duncan a big man who also benefited to score nearer the basket. see how some people below double standard when it comes to Kobe 👇

[@wyattfriend7360]

Facts.

[@wyattfriend7360]

This. Kobe wasn’t inefficient on the face of the actual numbers.

[@FirstnameLastname-qb2bg]

Because Duncan wasn't inefficient. He was just mediocre at the Free Throw line.

[@vizqueljordan6700]

Do you know true shooting is calculated

[@R.G.962]

​@@FirstnameLastname-qb2bg which makes him less efficient because it's part of the game, Shaq would've been the goat if he wasn't held back by the free throw liabilities because people can hack-a-shaq and duncan has to deal with that too

[@jeviosoorishas181]

I think the answer is it depends. LeBron shot under 40% in the 2015 NBA Finals against the Warriors. He shot so poorly because he was being defended by Iggy and he had little support on offense the longer the series went. The offense demanded he be more aggressive and that he take more risks. He shot 57%, the highest from the field for the regular season in the year prior with the Heat, playing on a team with far more depth (and way better chemistry/coaching). Was he that much worse as a player in the following season? Efficiency is a product of the system a player finds themselves in and the teammates they have. Not necessarily the quality of teammates, but their expertise. If a guy has a lot of teammates who can get their shots off or play off the ball, they should have a much higher FG%. If they on the other hand have a lot of guys who need help getting their shot off, or aren't great from three, you're probably going to see their FG% drop off, because it's easier for the defense to focus on them as the primary offensive option.

[@jmgonzales7701]

there are very broad perspectives and types of efficiency. The way you play for example do you only need to use 2-3 dribble moves to get a shot off? i call that efficiency. there is also defensive efficiency. Kobe was not an efficient scorer he definitely was a more streaky/ rhythm player but who cares if you win? winning fixes everything. I believe you can be both productive and efficient it goes hand and hand and those 2 cannot be separated.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Definitely influenced by team. But I think it’s more of a broad statement that covers a lot of factors and aspects

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@jmgonzales7701 Assist ratio is another type of tracker for efficiency, in which someone like CP3 is considered very very efficient

[@jmgonzales7701]

@Jonathan-A.C. cp3 is a point guard kobe isnt. Kobe is also a known ball hog who will shoot over 5 guys

[@donali9020]

Efficiency shouldn’t be compared across eras, If I Compare AI to Kobe Efficiency is a valid metric to use as an argument but If I compare Kobe to someone in a completely different era like Jerry West or SGA then it’s not as valid since theres a ton of era specific context that isn’t mentioned in the stats

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Efficiency should be measured by relatively to league average, like Thinking Basketball does

[@tyler114050]

Michael Jordan is one of the most efficient players all time

[@JohnnyAllenwrench]

Off your knees

[@bakothegreat6986]

He’s the goat

[@JohnnyAllenwrench]

@ No goat needs another HOFer to start winning games

[@devrickparks2446]

Jason kidd could play in any era bro 💀

[@siraajuddin736]

Context is king. Understanding situations and what the narrative during the time is way more important.

[@jmgonzales7701]

there are very broad perspectives and types of efficiency. The way you play for example do you only need to use 2-3 dribble moves to get a shot off? i call that efficiency. there is also defensive efficiency. Kobe was not an efficient scorer he definitely was a more streaky/ rhythm player but who cares if you win? winning fixes everything. I believe you can be both productive and efficient it goes hand and hand and those 2 cannot be separated.

[@andydrews4439]

Efficiency didn’t matter. Now it definitely matters in the age of analytics. Hindsight will always be 20/20 in terms of efficiency in sports.

[@Youngster543210]

Efficiency always mattered. It's literally always been the ONLY way you can outscore the opponent in a game of basketball, by making more efficient use of the games possessions than they do.

[@andydrews4439]

@@Youngster543210I understand what you’re saying but to say efficiency always mattered is a loaded statement because if it “always mattered” then this wouldn’t even be a conversation.

[@Youngster543210]

@andydrews4439 I don't know what you mean. It's always mattered because it's always been true that the only way to win is by being more efficient than the opponent. Just because people were too ignorant to realize that until recently doesn't mean it wasn't always true.

[@andydrews4439]

@@Youngster543210 clearly we’re arguing two different things. Within the context of NBA basketball, efficiency has always been relative. And to say efficiency always mattered because you needed to be more efficient than your opponent to is misconstruing what efficiency means in the context of what I’m saying.

[@jackguyett9237]

cap lmao. see three pt revolution

[@ronomgenuff]

Inefficiency sometimes stems from the ability to adjust your shot diet and to adapt to the needs of the team/moment. That is the AI, the Kobe... "How do we win? let me do that?" It is not the same as EFFECTIVENESS. Russ' inefficiency is looked at as a drawback only because he has cost his team wins, meaning he had not been EFFECTIVE.

[@GoulaLegamer]

BUT BEING INEFFECTIVE ALWAYS GONNA COST YO TEAM WINS u getting steals and board and playing good d have nothing to do with it

[@EkueKouevi]

Effeciency isn't overrated it just over used as a reason x player is better than y player i.e KD is better than Kobe cause he scores more efficiently.

[@bigzaksnak9998]

You just explained something being overrated. Ppl having in mind that this certain thing is more valuable and carries more weight than it actually does.

[@BiggestBirdonMars]

Kobe was actually pretty efficient and he was even very efficient in the playoffs as well

[@jmgonzales7701]

there are very broad perspectives and types of efficiency. The way you play for example do you only need to use 2-3 dribble moves to get a shot off? i call that efficiency. there is also defensive efficiency. Kobe was not an efficient scorer he definitely was a more streaky/ rhythm player but who cares if you win? winning fixes everything. I believe you can be both productive and efficient it goes hand and hand and those 2 cannot be separated.

[@Biggyxay123]

People gone hate this video frr hats how you know it’s facts 😤🔥🔥

[@Iamacasual77]

isiah thomas said this exact thing about chris paul and his lack of turnovers. yeah, u don't turn it over, but you're playing safe

[@rioramirez4438]

maybe im hearing this wrong but that doesn’t make much sense. the purpose is to score, a pgs purpose is making that happen. a lack of turnovers means ur being safe/protecting the ball. having more turnovers means u struggle to do that but isiah says that makes ur a better player? im 20 only yrs old & love isiah thomas, top 5 pg oat but this is a dumb take

[@daviesugo7641]

If you have same assist numbers as someone and turn over less, you did better.

[@jmgonzales7701]

how is this a criticism

[@Makspleks99]

​@@rioramirez4438 It does make sense though it shouldn't apply to Chris Paul. A guy like Jason Kidd had lots of turnovers but that's because he tried difficult passes that could lead to easy baskets for his teammates. Some of those passes didn't make it through so it was a turnover, but many did and it improved the offense. You can choose to never try a difficult pass and never turn the ball over, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing for a point guard, who is supposed to create shots for teammates

[@DominicKrivoniak]

Honestly some people look to deep into it, if you’re inefficient but you win, your still winning

[@jmgonzales7701]

there are very broad perspectives and types of efficiency. The way you play for example do you only need to use 2-3 dribble moves to get a shot off? i call that efficiency. there is also defensive efficiency. Kobe was not an efficient scorer he definitely was a more streaky/ rhythm player but who cares if you win? winning fixes everything. I believe you can be both productive and efficient it goes hand and hand and those 2 cannot be separated.

[@freezhollywood]

Efficiency def doesn’t matter. Getting the job done is what matters. It’s why KD didn’t win more. He’s way too analytical and way too choosy with his shot selection. What he did to the Bucks in 2021 is proof. He stopped caring bc he didn’t have a choice. And almost beat 1 team by himself.

[@waff6ix]

BRO TAKING 32 SHOTS A NIGHT😳🔥🔥🔥💪🏾

[@N33zy23]

The years AI played with better teammates he shot mid 40s from the field with over 25 ppg that’s why context matters

[@boyreason9213]

Efficiency is not overrated at all. Make sure you’re using the same volume when measuring.

[@jmgonzales7701]

there are very broad perspectives and types of efficiency. The way you play for example do you only need to use 2-3 dribble moves to get a shot off? i call that efficiency. there is also defensive efficiency. Kobe was not an efficient scorer he definitely was a more streaky/ rhythm player but who cares if you win? winning fixes everything. I believe you can be both productive and efficient it goes hand and hand and those 2 cannot be separated.

[@LatestDecember8907]

Great channel great vibe that instrumental at the beginning that ab soul keep that great stuff

[@omegaink5635]

This was a very good take. There’re a lot of players who get a bad rep because on their percentages. And truth be told based on their circumstances said criticism is unwarranted. The argument of efficiency can and must always be used in their proper context.

[@ASAPLORDFLACKO]

Okay this vid popped up at perfect timing. I was legit thinking this two nights ago. Let’s say I have two players A and B. A shots 35% 3pt but hits timely and momentum shifting shots. B shots 40% 3pt but every time it’s an impactful shot he misses. As a basketball player and watcher I would choose player A 10/10. But the NBA is soo analytical they don’t account for that. Am I the only one that feels like this is missing from analytics? For example, Kobe made shots that devastated his opponents in crucial moments of the game but his percentages don’t reflect that.

[@MrSlashblade]

Efficiency is weirdly rated, guys like Iverson (really for one year) is the exception. Maybe if the nba wasn’t so ring culture orientated (of where if you don’t win a ring your entire season is discarded) then yea maybe there’s more of a point. But when people aren’t willing to give you props, respect, and notoriety unless you have a trophy case that is littered with awards, li don’t think people realize how efficiency won’t really save anybody. You still get lumped on even if you are efficient To be fair there’s a reason why game 6 is Klay’s game, and why Westbrook and AI eventually lost the series, their inefficiency made it more difficult for the team. Them being daring makes for legendary moments but in a culture that is more interested in the final result, those moments will never mean anything. Maybe in a way that does prove the point of the video, but then efficiency isn’t the problem it be the culture obsession with only caring about winning and never appreciating the other aspects of the game which then turned the league into an arms race of who can win by any means. I can say that the lack of players aiming for the 82 game limit, lack of interest in all star game, and load managing, and even a dip into international dominance all stems from fans analyst and even legends not properly evaluating a player until the second round of the playoffs. Just to either be on the “I told you so” side, or the “he’s a fraud” side.

[@kashwavy23]

Shawn Livingston’s midrange on the Warriors was the definition of efficiency

[@adub92199]

Maybe it’s overrated for star players but when you hoop at the college level or higher you see that not everyone is gonna be able to take 30 shots a game if you’re trying to win.

[@diehardpatriot3]

beautiful topic choice man.

[@stump4522]

People look at one thing and runs away a narrative these days.

[@DanButton89]

I don't know man. Stackhouse averaged 29.8ppg on 40% & 35% splits. Fans don't see that season as Stack balled out, they see it as Stack was chucking up shot after shot but we should put Stack up there with the all time great scorers?

[@anthonyhernandez2111]

thats because he didnt have the all around game to even make an impact let alone be any type of catalyst to win nba championships.. thats the whole point of this..Kobe won 5 championships and 2/3 on his own "despite" shooting 46% from the field. which aint even THAT inneffiecient anyway 😂 people just throw around ineffecient to try and sound smart i swear

[@Youngster543210]

​@@anthonyhernandez2111No "on his own" Kobe missed the playoffs ot lost ik the 1st round. Kobe has zero playoff series wins without a prime HOF bigman AND Phil Jackson lol

[@DanButton89]

@anthonyhernandez2111 we're not talking about players "all around game" as no doubt, Kobe (in prime) on D was an absolute beast, we're talking about "scoring". I agree to certain extent, for example, Nash averaged like 16, 17, 18ppg on some seasons with 50/40/90 splits and had me thinking at the time "he needs to shoot it more" especially watching Suns game where, he had a look but passed on it. He even said himself he should've shot it more and stopped being so selective. But chucking up shot after shot, not moving the ball about and finding the open man or taking low % shots isn't good. The reason why so many players back in the 2000's (I know this as I've been watching since 96) is from all the iso ball or "hero ball" they played. Give the ball to the star player and everyone move out of the way. They would hold the ball, dribble a few times and end up taking a highly contested shot with a few seconds left. Not going to make most of your shots that way unless you're MJ lol

[@businessk3014]

@@Youngster543210you mean when he had 3 g league players in his starting lineup? In the best conference in NBA history? Only Kobe gets penalized for having any help at all meanwhile you people bending over for players with multiple super teams. Kobe went back to back without a top 75 teammate, without anybody else on his team even averaging over 19ppg, nobody else in history has done that.

[@oDiiJei]

@@businessk3014 ppl basically want Kobe to win his chips 1v5 without a coach, to give him credit lmao! delusional!

[@JJone-ok2uz]

Kobe’s 60 in his final game is a prime example. He was shooting horribly all night and was down 10 with around 2 minutes remaining. He then went on a 13-2 run including the dagger assist. That’s what his team needed to win. On paper, he shot horrible and was 22-50. Watching the game, he clutched up at the end and assisted on the dagger dunk.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

I think I’m the type of person to value efficiency, whereas you aren’t. And that is the thing that should be celebrated in sports. Differences and sharing what you love about it.

[@Steelo832]

That’s one of my favorite Steph games too, obv Klay having the game he did overshadowed it a bit but Steph played his ass off. One of his gutsiest performances

[@jasontodd8418]

I agree

[@17thN.O]

Jason Kidd is far from overrated. He was the engine that ran many great teams and he was a great defender of multiple perimeter positions due to his size.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

The only lacking part of Kidd was scoring, although ironically he turned into quite the 3pt shooter by the end of his career

[@JW-1089]

I'm glad I subscribed. Great video & keep making more. 🤝🏾

[@17thN.O]

It the same people that clown great defenders for getting dunked on, but never give those same shot blockers for sending many shots away and discouraging players away from the basket. I would much rather you put up the effort than getting out the way all the time and same with being willing to take and miss shots as long as you keep attacking.

[@jasontodd8418]

I just wish steph took more midrange shots

[@andrewmcbryantjordan2287]

2016 WCF GAME 6 that tuff euro floater move Steph Curry did over Ibaka to me that was the dagger Curry should get the game ball but then again it was the Game 6 Klay game

[@michaelahurt]

SA won in 05 because of Robert Horry and only Robert Horry. The Wallaces simply took Duncan out of that series. ***** Players can be too conservative but there is a fine line between aggressive and reckless. Ultimately it's about making the optimal decision. Or at least a positive one Westbrook hurt his teams and put them in bad spots over and over and over. The fact sometimes he was able to dig them out doesn't make it ok. He often did more harm than good But there is definitely something to what you're saying, especially in the playoffs where a star may need to put the team on his back. LeBron in 2015 Finals is a perfect example I'd still argue it might be his best series and he shot under 40%. But he played almost perfectly. Not shot perfectly, but put his team in position to win. As much as he could anyway.

[@damonsonnier34]

@@michaelahurt How about Manu Ginobili? Some people said that he should have won Finals MVP during that series.

[@karabeloborotho5034]

Manu made the difference in that 05 final

[@lafear1785]

I agree Horry was a key component no doubt, but to say they only won because of him is wild as hell.

[@michaelahurt]

@lafear1785 It's a tad hyperbolic but go re-watch the 4th quarter and overtime of game five. Horry single handedly won that game for SA.

[@michaelahurt]

@karabeloborotho5034 Manu was SA's best player that series, agreed, but again Horry swung a game by himself.

[@banan9377]

You talk about efficiency (EFF) in this video but it sounds like you're talking more about effective field goal (EFG) or in simple terms "how many shots went in relative to the number of shots taken". So I'll talk about a limitation of EFG: let's say you have a player who shoots 10% from the field, but he always gets the offensive rebound 100% of the time, that means he's guaranteed to score 2 points per possession because he misses he'll just rebound and try again. His EFG will be 10% but his points per possession is an insane 2.0. If he instead takes 3s at a 1% accuracy while retaining perfect rebound then his EFG drops to 1% but his PPP is 3.0, the only way to beat that PPP is of you get a 4 point play every possession. Of course that's an absurd example that won't happen realistically, but it illustrates how one stat isn't always enough to get the whole picture.

[@craiied]

Theses Kobe fans just be saying anything 🤣😂😂😂😂🤣💀🙅

[@mchaelyeboah2906]

"Efficiency is overrated" is willd to me, because aren't stars made in the first place because they are trusted to make more of their shots than they miss? The moment you are trusted by your coaches and teammates to take 40 shots, you have to be considered efficient.

[@Zekenm11]

i saw the title and immediately thought blasphemy but you explained it well. efficiency needs context.

[@WBrizzle81]

I'm a statistician at heart. I agree that efficiency is limited in what it communicates, but I think the answer is not less stats but more stats. We have stats like usage rate and +/-. Think of it this way: A guy shoots 9 of 25, but he was used 60% of the possessions and his +/- was +10. I think that's a good way to use stats to tell a story of just what he did in the game.

[@joejett5084]

Well there’s no way in hell efficiency is overrated and yes Durant is better than Kobe. Efficiency is why shaq had 3 fmvps over Kobe.

[@EmanAded]

Is efficency why jordan has 6fmvps but had horrible efficency?

[@GG-fy2bm]

@EmanAded Jordan is literally the most efficient shooting guard of all time

[@joejett5084]

@@GG-fy2bm when it comes to player efficiency Jordan and lebron have the career highest. Kobe at his peak was never top 10 in his era. That’s one reason why dude wasn’t winning mvps and definitely isn’t anyway close to Jordan or lebron.

[@guilhermebahia6050]

​@EmanAdedJordan had horrible efficiency? LMAO! Jordan was very efficient. You might think he was not because of his playstyle of long 2s and fadeaways, but he made them at a high clip

[@nokray8323]

@@joejett5084 "kobe was never top 10 in his era" there must be something wrong with your brain

[@riskmakeitlookeasy3266]

That’s why you gotta watch the games !!! Cause it’ll put in proper context if one was inefficient due to chucking or just had an off night or the defense shut him down.

[@jmgonzales7701]

there are very broad perspectives and types of efficiency. The way you play for example do you only need to use 2-3 dribble moves to get a shot off? i call that efficiency. there is also defensive efficiency. Kobe was not an efficient scorer he definitely was a more streaky/ rhythm player but who cares if you win? winning fixes everything. I believe you can be both productive and efficient it goes hand and hand and those 2 cannot be separated.

[@riskmakeitlookeasy3266]

@@jmgonzales7701 agreed but my one disagreement is kobe was a efficient scorer and could get it done in one dribble 2 or 3. Or not dribble at all and score. The film doesn’t lie about that. His diversity in his scoring probably effected his fg percentage itself but everyone isn’t so blessed to just out there head down and get a high percentage dunk or layup

[@seve-200]

What people don't seem to consider is that TS% only captures the final end of the possession: the shot. It doesn't capture what it takes for an offense to generate a good look for a player to get their TS%, and also doesn't capture what the player is doing on all the 60%+ of possessions where they don't shoot. When people center their analysis on TS% it's pretty funny honestly, since even the highest usage players aren't shooting the ball on the majority of their possessions. So by centering your analysis on TS% you're basically eliminating the majority of possessions from the focus of your analysis.

[@TheDifferenceCHI]

Bro I always talk about this.. I used to watch kd not shoot last second shots at the end of quarters in tight games or games when u need anything and he’d look at the scoreboard n never attempt a shot to break his efficiency.. in contrast Joker shoots every end of quarter shot even when he’s perfect from the field or perfect from 3. I feel like ppl blame Westbrook as the lesser player taking too many shots.. but that’s the equivalent of Jordan not being able to get the ball out of Pippens hands.. go get the Fn ball bro u 7ft!!!! I always felt like 2016 kd the one who played suspiciously out of character like he sold Westbrook cuz he knew he was gone the next season.. I wholeheartedly believe that. Look at Russ clutch points or clutch defense plays .. or an offensive rebound or a defensive rebound.. Russ made a lot of winning plays in his career been to finals n multiple conference finals n they said he wasn’t a winner like wtf?! The media bought into the brilliance of the curry 3pt era but now they are begging for a change in play style once all the teams adopted it.

[@Black_Guy]

Efficiency is only one aspect of the game. It is helpful to be efficient, but it is more important to put the ball in the hoop no matter what. Being efficient doesn't matter if a player isn't putting pressure on the defense or is taking too long to score or is being to passive to teammates who aren't as good at scoring. Inefficiency can be compensated by offensive rebounding, defensive stops (defensive rebounding), steals, and putting pressure on defense that forces defensive mistakes.

[@Epupify]

No one criticiczes the less efficient scorers as long as they are among the greatest at playing basketball, and lead their teams to win. The ones who have been criticized because of that is because they lack one lor more of the aforementioned things, despite being good scorers. Also there aren't that many superefficient players that get put above better scorers, if they themsleves weren't good scorers.

[@NotAnAstronaut2k]

Kobe and A.I. both the most overrated scorers ever

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

How?

[@NotAnAstronaut2k]

Just because your favourite players are inefficient doesn't mean efficiency is overrated 😂

[@fridgmanfrustle4376]

I don’t like this argument because it’s so dependent on outcome. You go 9-27 in a loss it’s “oh man he was ball hogging maybe if he passed more” but go 9-27 in a win it’s “See that’s why efficiency is overrated he was relentless!”

[@godsangell12]

Been an NBA fan most of my life. Growing up FG percentage was never that important. Not sure when it changed

[@oliveiracaioswag]

the voice could be louder but this is fuego.

[@hristijandimitrovski8664]

Not at all😂😂😂 many players like Iverson, prime Westbrook and others weren't efficient and they never even won anything 😂😂😂 soo you want to tell me Steph Curry and KD are overrated because they are 2 of the most efficient scorer in the history??? Excuse me, but efficiency aren't overrated, triple doubles are probably mire overrated than efficiency 😂

[@JJone-ok2uz]

KD was a 7 footer who could shoot over people. Same with Kareem, Dirk, Hakeem. Kobe was a 6’6 205 guard so he already had to work harder than them. Even if they worked very hard, Kobe had to work harder since it was harder for him to score. He took much more deeper 2’s a lot and usually slashed to the rim. Still would make crazy tough shots, still was the most clutch scorer, and still had to work harder defensively due to him guarding the best player at the same time so there’s more he’s asked to do and yet still has had amazing performances such as 48-16-3 or 81 or 60-4-4 or 65 or 62 (Outscoring whole mavs team).

[@RedVelvetPapi]

i feel like comparing westbrook and kd in that run, where like you said kd was unusually inefficient, isn't really helping your argument. cause if kd had a typical kd run, you wouldn't say westbrook was the better player that run, kd just played bad and westbrook played like his usual self, which unfortunately isn't good enough to carry a (or maybe that) team as the lead dog.

[@zay222True]

Truthfully Eff. Only matter for regular season for awards n all star bc in the playoffs, I don’t care if u 0/10 u better be 1/40 when the game done (if u the star player)

[@G--_--g902]

i feel like a guy like CP3 would have been a better case study for this than KD, since Kd is the type of player who doesnt shy from taking tough shots but he is still insanely efficient

[@duckdefender8655]

Its an important stat, but it is overrated in how people use it to justify one player being better than another despite having fewer achievements.

[@patrick05Morgan]

2:02 not to mention Kobe was an elite defender and Durant has had moments but not consistency at an elite level defensively throughout his career.

[@certifiedchaos4643]

Wins are more important

[@yobi8213]

Efficiency may have to take a backseat to the eye test and aesthetics

[@atmoonie2725]

It does matter if there’s a high usage rate

[@deshawncurry2029]

Great vid!

[@LatestDecember8907]

Can u do a breakdown of the the 2016 finals referees where they mauled Steph fouled him out suspensed a starter on his team among other things

[@dimelo58]

It’s not overrated it literally means you’re missing more shots wether they are tough shots or not It’s irrelevant you took those shots cause you thought you could make them but you didn’t. Now the question to me is wether kd should be more aggressive and take more since he’s so efficient spam those shots that you’re so good at your team needs more points you’re down. If you’re saying kd needs to take more shots he’s not being aggressive enough then I get where you’re coming from but efficiency isn’t overrated if kd takes 45 shots and makes 40 of them and kobe takes 70 shots and makes 40 of them then It’s clearly not overrated kd did the same amount of damage with less to work with.

[@alfredsantino1408]

So Jason Tatum deserves credit for 2024 finals since he was inefficient but lead his team in points rebounds and assists still

[@jacobmolina8602]

Ab soul in the background?

[@det4ever94]

You have to factor in which player seen double and triple team their whole career. And still got buckets. That has to mean for something. Kobe/Iverson/ Jordan. Shaq

[@mcnuttis5722]

Amazing video

[@spacecolon7760]

Thank you for saying it

[@ScoutsHonor.]

If you look at all the players who couldn’t win. Paul Pierce, Tmac, Iverson, Westbrook, Melo and the list goes on. They were all inefficient. Efficiency is directly correlated with proficiency. In layman you’re not that good as you think.

[@ScoutsHonor.]

Some people will say well Pierce won. So many things had to happen. Same for Kobe. You put all these guys in isolated environment, and then they get swallowed by the beast that they created. When Kobe was in his own feces it reared its head and he couldn’t make the playoffs.

[@Regular.com2]

Kobe shooting is 45% for his career yes below average but with those 3 years of him having too shoot so much because his team needed him to that’s 47-48% people wouldn’t even be able to say he’s inefficient

[@edwinglass7025]

Players these days chose efficiency over wins

[@abgenthusiast]

I think kobe was a more skilled scorer, but KD is the more effective scorer. So determining the "better" scorer just comes down to which you value more

[@michaelmayers3622]

If your effiency leads to the otherteam scoring of your misses stop scoring

[@Linmus]

I think when it comes to stars, it's overrated, but for non-stars......like Brandon Jennings, it does matter a bit.

[@yoocoachherm4353]

Efficiency wins championships

[@josepoline5015]

If a player takes 10 wide open floaters and another player takes 10 contested layuups and then you go read the stats you’ll see the floater guy has a better efficiency but you missing all the context. That’s why is overrated

[@princesally743]

Efficiency isn't overrated, it's the most important thing that's the exact reason why no one in their right minds is ever going to pick Allen Iverson over Steph curry because Curry is far more efficient

[@rouka24151]

@@princesally743would you pick andre drummond over steph then? Andre is one of the most efficient scorer in nba history. You said it yourself "it's the most important thing"

[@princesally743]

@rouka24151 Andre Drummond isn't the most efficient scorer in NBA history, that's a lie with this statement it's obvious that you don't know basketball

[@michaelmayers3622]

Effiency only matters if you dint have chips

[@Maxx-w9b]

Maybe it's Bryant and Iverson that are overrated

[@Nycx_jona]

Kobe is by far the best player imo but an efficient player gives u better flexibility. The less u miss the more your teammates shoot and that leads to higher possibility of winning.

[@dragoljubackovic8292]

I completely agree and that's why kobe was better than durant, he had his own self and that's why he never changed the team and not like some... who cares about percentages if he doesn't translate into wins and rings. They don't hate Durant, but all the players who got 50 million each. per season only because they are good on paper, thanks to the exceptions

[@matthewheuel2508]

I agree man, but i also think Kobe was efficient like for example if we look at ‘98 MJ’s shooting stats. 46 in a half fg%. 47.3% EFG. And under 44% ts%. If he was the mvp FMVP and best player in the world. Then if Kobe’s not efficient neither was MJ in 97-98 szn. During Kobe’s prime 00 to 13 seasons he was (outside of 04 & 12) shooting great in every one of those areas scoring 30 a game or close to it. 00: 46.8% FG 01: 46 in a half % FG 02: 46.9% FG 03: 48.4% EFG 04 - 05 over 56% ts% 06 49.1% EFG 07 58% ts% 08 57.6% ts% 09 46.7% FG 10 48.8% EFG 11 48.7% EFG 12 - 13 50.4% efg MJ and kb had very similar FG % in the playoffs more importantly in KB’s prime szns at least. Imo Kobe was the best two way player aka best player in 01, 02, 03, 05, 06, 07, 08 & 2nd in 09 & 13 (can make a case for 2010 I think he was tied with d wade for second best)

[@astrocade9541]

It’s not overrated it’s just that ppl don’t know how to actually put it in context 😂

[@JaveonChaney]

Kevin Durant has a case tho tbh they got the same amount of finals MVPs , KD has more 3's made , better mid range shooter , has a better rim % , KD this year is about to pass him up in points this year and even if he doesn't this year he has 2-3 years left to do so , higher PPG in the playoffs and RPG in the playoffs 🤷🏿

[@yeatdagoat173]

Kobe was efficient for his era

[@Mudkips1331]

I’m kinda on the fence with this one… I get the point he’s trying to make but at the end of the day when you’re discussing/ranking players that are all talented enough to be considered in the top 10 (or whatever other arbitrary cutoff point), you have to be nitpicky about facets of their game. Efficiency isn’t some ‘ESPN stat’, it’s what happened in the game. While LeBron is a fine enough three point shooter, is it fair to say he’s better than everyone below him on the all time threes list just because he’s made more?

[@Avery2420]

Almost halfway through the vid but I'll say this, REAL HOOPERS DON'T PLAY FOR STATS. They work on their game in training and go out there in the game with the mentality of Imma make some and Imma miss some. It is what it is. It's like playing pickup basketball and you're worried about shooting 50%. Like dude, just hoop!

[@toolegit7668]

KD is a far more efficient player than Kobe. However KD lacked the leadership skills and assertiveness to take charge as a lead player. That's why he was such a great fit on Golden State, they had leaders on that team in Steph and Draymond, KD could just hoop within their system. Kobe although a bad teammate and inefficient, possessed the assertiveness and fearlessness to take charge and lead a team that KD lacked. And Kobe is just a more accomplished player overall than KD