Answering Questions from the Grant Horvat Takomo Build

[@-tameike-]

That video is the definition of advise and knowledge. Thank you!

[@clintsanderson6019]

YES! Debunking the grip, shaft & swing weight fallacies! Thanks you

[@jeffspidle2495]

I started re-gripping my own club's about 10yrs ago. I started using Midsized/ 2 wraps of tape about 7(?) yrs ago. I'm 6'2"/ can palm a basketball etc. I love my Midsized grips. Other than having to clean them around season end where I live ( no biggie ), they have held up very well for me. I believe I'm on my 2nd/3rd set of grips of the 2-3 sets I've switched back n forth with over those years. Your content is awesome Sir. Thank You!

[@brandonf6012]

As a hobby club builder I love your content. Thanks and keep it up.

[@gamebaggolf]

Honest expertise, so rare

[@clintwestbrick664]

Thanks for the explaination of the grip tape story and the others. Have wonderful day.

[@SnoopyGolf]

Excellent video. Don’t fully agree with how much emphasis you put on using midsize or firmer grips but most of what you say are true facts. Everything else sounds bang on, definitely a great watch.

[@keithp5568]

Thanks AJ! I’m always learning watching your channel. Looking forward to a great 2025. Thanks again!

[@DonnelsBit]

Just bought myself a set of Takomo irons last week and used your fitting guide from a previous video 🙌 can’t wait to try them

[@EFGMC]

Let me know how they work.

[@LovatoLovin]

Hi AJ, love your channel and content and I always watch each episode. I use the FLO method with the laser light and I see a big difference in the steel shafts that are not as expensive as seen on this video and a big change in the not as expensive Graphite shafts. Which include shafts from the 1990’s 2000’s. What I have experienced are the shafts made today are more tuned and equal coming out of the factory now rather than before. As you know we all can’t afford expensive shafts and for my golfer buddies and myself I test them all before installing. And we know how much a new brand name graphite shafts cost these days. It would be nice to see how the less expensive steel and graphite shafts measure up with your frequency meter or try the FLO ( Flat Line Oscillation ) method. Thank you for your time and videos! Tony

[@EFGMC]

I will add that video idea to my list. My big issue with FLO, because obviously you don't have to pay for it so no issue there, but a golf shaft only bends and releases 1 time during the downswing. FLO makes everything look much more exaggerated because it is multiple cycles.

[@06Trdrew11]

I have been using standard grips for 30 years. 1 month ago I put on midsize golf pride grips from Dicks sporting goods on my wedges(1 tape) I’d say I’m below average hand size but the new grips feel amazing. Definitely changing out the woods and irons eventually.

[@andyd_9]

I also went to midsize last year after decades of standard. However, I did not change my woods to midsize. I have read that with midsize on woods you are less likely to pull your hands through the club to turn it over right to left (draw for a RH golfer). I naturally fade my woods, so I did not need a thicker grip hindering my hands ability to get through the ball/swing. So I am still using standard on woods with 1 extra wrap of tape and use midsize with standard one piece of tape on irons and wedges. If you have a buddy with similar woods than yours flex/length etc with a midsize grip, hit his to make sure you still hit them the same. Now if you hit hooks...yes go bigger on your wood grips. It will help the hook straighten out some. My 2 cents, your mileage may vary and this in no way is gospel...just gospel to me. Hit em straightish!

[@industrialpalletworx3548]

Great video!!! The explanation of swing weight was outstanding!!! In a way I learned this on my own by experimenting with different shafts and head weights in my driver. What should have been easily a way faster combo based on the swing weight wasn't, and the lack of mass really hurt the driving distance. I don't think the players of the golden era cared too much for swing weight and they did pretty good. Ben Hogan was known to swing a wicked heavy driver like something around a pound in weight. I reckon that likely isn't going to fall into the D6 range.

[@stephendibari5010]

Side note. Love WINN grips. I use oversize DRI-TAC LITE or LT (with single wrap of tape) depending on swingweight issues since my clubs are - 1/2 inch they are very cushioned and need them for my tendonitis in my fingers

[@bkirkwd52]

Nippon steel shafts are the best for roundness. Most graphite shafts are very good now.

[@TheBooze13]

Never really felt comfortable holding a club until I discovered something. I hate wearing a glove. So I ditched the club and went to a full cord grip with 3 wraps of tape and I absolutely love it now. Feel is so important. Currently using the royal link tech full cord and love it but also like the lamkin crossline full cord

[@EFGMC]

Lamkin Crossline Full Cord is the GOAT in my opinion!

[@djbme83]

I use those exact calipers at my job. Nice!

[@sjdup]

Thanks!! Great explanation and info!!

[@jlnew10]

Great stuff, always good content. I've seen people freak out over Bryson having irons built to weight instead of swing weight. His irons are C7 and the guy is an absolute stick. Also my golf spy did a segment on the biggest waste of money is being having golf shafts pured.

[@mariofonseca9267]

Just to clarify regarding spine alignment (not that I am a fan whatsoever); the purpose of spine alignment is not to get the shaft to frequency exactly the same independent of orientation. The idea being spine alignment is to make sure that as the shaft flexes it returns to the exact same club /ball interface point cycle after cycle therefore avoiding the potentially inconsistent club / ball point location. To test this, you add a weight to the shaft tip and make the shaft oscillate back and forward by pulling on it slightly. You will see that in clubs where plane oscillation is inconsistent that the weight at the tip of the shaft with start oscillating in circles instead of oscillating in one plane only. Does that make a difference? Potentially, but I think that in an insignificant way.

[@EFGMC]

This is where people get into the weeds on this. The entire reason any of that happens is because the shaft is stiffer in one plane vs another. In FLO terms it's the spine vs the NBP. If a shaft has no difference in these numbers then it won't pull in any direction. The idea that we use an oscillation method for FLO or PURE is also wrong because the shaft flexes and releases 1 cycle during the downswing, not the 50 or 100 times we look at during a FLO or PURE test.

[@Handletaken4]

Thanks for clearing it up.

[@peterslonsky]

Awesomeness and informative! ❤

[@sactownTC]

Swing weight has always been misunderstood. Heavier grip = lighter swing weight = heavier club. I like how you pointed out, consistency is whats important.

[@nickmillar9651]

Great info. Great video

[@DavidSwanson6576]

I love this side of club building, just shows some companies are charging people for something that’s not even really a thing!

[@stacks4943]

Awesome Video..! Thanks for sharing…🍻

[@ph1lthyvision]

You heard it straight from the man himself. You can stretch it out further, but it just gets thinner 😂

[@kyshapka]

Cool video! I thought the whole 'Pureing' argument was a directional thing, not a stiffness consistency thing. Meaning, the shaft will deflect in a certain way. Interesting.

[@EFGMC]

They will frame in directional or distance terms but it's variations in stiffness in different planes that you are really measuring.

[@DrFugue13]

Love it when you remove the voodoo and insert reality into this stuff

[@billedgar7645]

Great video

[@4estahrens]

I prefer the extra tape for my bottom hand. Hate the feel of a midsize on the butt end but a standard with 1 wrap makes the bottom hand feel too small. The +4 style

[@hoganfan2006]

I thought that Flat Line Oscillation, or FLO, ensured the shaft deflects along the same plane to help hit the center of the club face more often. In other words, put a laser and head weight at the end of the shaft, flick it, and then rotate until the oscillation line (of the laser) is flat. So not for matching cpm along the different shaft planes, but rather to get the shaft deflecting on a flat plane. I hope that makes sense.

[@mitchy7051]

for those tweeners that want an in between grip sizers - Ping offers custom grips :)

[@michaelmosley384]

I learned a valuable swing about weight lesson this week. Moved from standard Lamkin Crossline to midsize MCC Golf Pride in my 101Ts and for over a week, I simply could NOT feel the club head of my irons. I didn’t consider the difference in weight when I made the switch. The Lamkins are 50g out of the box, the Golf Prides are 66g. I discovered the Wynn Midsize LT (closer to 50g) and switched to them. The lesson?….do your research or consult someone who knows things you may fail to consider.

[@oatechaosincycles]

You should do a long form vid with some non biased physics PHDs and some golf industry experts together and resolve the puring and tape layering conversations once and for all!!!!

[@EFGMC]

I would love to dive deep into this topic.

[@bobpegram8042]

Wjem you turned the shaft 90 degrees you should turned the head to the same toe up position it was in on the first test to eliminate any other variables. Cheaper shafts will have more variation in CPM in different orientations. Obviously good quality shafts are better. In the build video your yelow paper showed DIFFERENT swingweights per club with as much as 1.5 swingweights difference between some of the clubs.

[@loganframe5955]

Is it fair to say that if the swing weight was D2 or D3 prior to adding larger heavier grips that it would be worth getting the swing weight back to D2 or D3? For example, I put corded midsize grips on my irons and the swing weight dropped to about C7. I then was able to add lead tape to get the swing back to D3 just so that I didn’t lose the same swing feel after changing grips.

[@EFGMC]

I think you need to experiment with it. Won't be the same for every golfer. This situation is tricky because you are adding weight on top of added grip weight so you just need to make sure it doesn't get too heavy and that it still retains a similar feel to the other clubs in your bag. Again it's most important to test it out and see what you get.

[@bkirkwd52]

I build clubs to MOI match. This can be down with pretty good accuracy by building with.4 in. Difference between clubs rather than .5 in. I have an Auditor MOI machine but I find it really isn’t necessary. Also, building to.4 gapping makes for clubs that set you in nearly the same posture with each club

[@EFGMC]

I do like a non traditional length progression for some players. I've played around with 3/8 progression myself.

[@matthewmartinez-lopez6935]

What do you think of the Mizuno shaft optimizer when it comes to shaft recommendations?

[@EFGMC]

The recommendations I've seen for clients are usually a little too broad for my liking. It might have 25g weight difference in recommended shafts.

[@douglasgardner4004]

I wondered a bit about the 6 layers of tape under the grip. For me, thinning the grip like that adds quite a bit of harshness that detracts a lot from the feel. I can see that the additional tape would help counter the swing weight changes from the longer shafts but definitely not a build that would work for me. Looks like he also did a combo set with 101t. Not really something most every day folks would do. Kinda defeats the purpose of a lower cost D2C value proposition vs buying at retail with a fitting and far greater combo possibilities. I'd rather have seen him be a bit truer to the brand and go with a stock build. Not trying to be super negative on the comment. I'd just value the brand a bit more if he would compete and win with the same stock setup choices that most Takomo customers would be selecting.

[@EFGMC]

I hear what you're saying but how many professional golfers are playing with prototypes and one offs that will never be available to the general public. The small changes we made for Grant aren't anything that an average golfer couldn't have done the same way.

[@charlesbartholomew2910]

Thanks AJ! Good stuff here. How much weight did the 7 wraps add to the butt section? About 7 grams, figuring 1 gram per wrap?

[@EFGMC]

Yep 6-7g.

[@foolishconqueror]

Hi, where can i get a nozzle the same as what use on your mini compressor?

[@EFGMC]

That one was included with this compressor. This has been my favorite compressor of any I've used because it much quieter and it came with the perfect nozzle. Only issue is the hose is short so you need to hold the compressor while installing. You can search raft nozzle on Amazon and find similar tips.

[@danielcruz6542]

How do you cover up a raw shaft on a graphite shaft, if the adapter already comes with a ferrule

[@EFGMC]

Are you talking about the prepped area where the paint has been removed. If so your only options are to use a taller ferrule if you can, add an additional ferrule or ring style ferrule on top of the adapter, or tip trim the shaft just enough so the prepped area doesn't show.

[@grandpagolf]

About the frequency test, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take the club face off?

[@EFGMC]

Not sure I understand why you would take the head off?

[@grandpagolf]

@EFGMC Do not mind, you can dump my comment 😊.

[@rejnormandin4658]

So you think that clubs that come from Titleist at c-3 and my old playing set was ( and liked them and the feeling ) D-4 I should not have to changed them ?

[@ltoussant8247]

good video overall. I don't know much about this but, with the pureing testing, I think you should mark and turn the shaft not the shaft head. You have have to remove the shaft and turn it not just turn the club head. So technically you did not test anything. Try removing the shaft keeping the club head in the same position, then you are testing the shaft IMO.

[@EFGMC]

Head makes no difference. It's just a weight on the end of a stick. The weight remaining constant is the what you need to determine those shaft measurements.

[@Ryglado]

How did Grant get the specs of his build?

[@TheBooze13]

I do have a question. For some reason I’ve been having issues with the end cap of my grips twisting. Why is that happening and is there something you do to prevent that

[@EFGMC]

Are you using grip tape and solvent or air. That can often happen with air. It should not usually be happening with double sided grip tape.

[@michaeldanley-l8s]

Would swing weight be important when cutting down a driver shaft to improve accuracy? If I cut my driver shaft (d2 @ 45 3/4” to c8 @ 44 1/2”) would I need to match the old swing weight?

[@EFGMC]

Grip down on your driver the amount you plan on cutting and try it. The SW and how the shaft responds will be almost identical to cutting it that amount. Biggest difference will be the smaller grip because of the taper when gripping down but this will give you a good feel for what it will be like and if you will want to add back some head weight.

[@ZachPhillips3]

I sent you an email about building some clubs. Looking forward to hearing back from you!

[@josephpendarvis9947]

For someone as well regarded in the world of club building, you totally don’t understand what Puring, Spining, and FLOing does for a golf club. To keep it simple, let’s discuss an iron shaft which you would Spine. ALL iron shafts have a “spine” somewhere on them. Meaning that in the circumference of the shaft there is a line you could draw from the butt end to the tip where the shaft is the strongest. If that “spine” is perfectly set vertically down from the sky as you hold the club, then the club will have the least amount of sag and dip as you swing and the weight of the club head settles at contact. This results in more efficient droop and way more efficient ball striking. It tightens the variable for more precision in terms of consistency for hitting the sweet spot. Every shaft will wobble when held at one end and flicked on the other, but there is a point where that wobble becomes linear and that is what you want. Golf is a game of variables and tons of things you can’t control, so why wouldn’t you want to control as many things as you can to help you as much as possible 🤷‍♂️ If you want to call BS on what I’m saying, just consider the fact there is no such thing as a perfect circle. That’s why Pi has never been solved and is a never ending decimal point. There IS a spine on all golf shafts whether you want to acknowledge that or not!!!

[@1cleandude]

Thank you for trueing up some of the marketing BS that is such a huge part of golf!🙏🙏🙏 BTW why not .58 instead of.60?🙏

[@EFGMC]

I did this video way way back where I installed a .580 tour velvet and a .600 tour velvet on the same diameter shaft and because of this stretching, they came out identical. the .580 was firmer however.

[@yoder9339]

I have messed around with simple club building. Switched over to Jumbomax grips. Their heavy grips really affect swingweight and I can’t feel much difference. Final club swingweight is overrated!

[@Njliving22]

Hate midsize grips. Hate the squishy feeling.

[@EFGMC]

Have you tried something like the Golf Pride Z Cord. That thing is solid even in midsize.

[@josephpendarvis9947]

I never have anything negative to say about your builds, BUT I will say that the choice in ferrels, and grips was quite underwhelming. I mean he’s “Grant Horvat!!!” I expect cool and unique, not stock off the shelf.

[@bkirkwd52]

Why not simply use a midsize grip?

[@chuckct9]

Why not watch the video that addresses this exact question?

[@Hunter-zp5hd]

I’ve had shafts pured and aligned etc Waste of money.

[@shanescofield3884]

How much did his loft change from a stock set? I know when I ordered my takomo 301 combo set the lofts were definitely different from say the 101t. Thanks!

[@EFGMC]

As I recall most of the loft changes were within 1 degree. The 101t has pretty neutral lofts so even that set did not require much adjustment.

[@aussienads]

Don’t agree re swing weight..or spin alignment comment or demo actually. Maybe Grant should stick with TM.

[@larryproffer8603]

Love your videos, disagree with your opinion of swing weight. Setup Grant with a set of irons with a C6 swing weight and get his feed back.

[@EFGMC]

I don't disagree that a set of C6 irons would not be right for him most likely. However I would argue that it's the components and build that resulted in that SW that is the real issue.

[@floydhammett5786]

I fly to see Mr. Mcgolf before driving to see you custom fit means custom fit what I want not what you won't do

[@EFGMC]

No worries.

[@benmartinez8995]

If Grant Horvat wasn’t given ownership in the company he wouldn’t go near a set of takomos!!! I’ve hit em they’re not very Good and if I were him I would have hit up sub70 golf and tried to figure out how to get something arranged with them! For direct to consumer their stuff is by far the best and my set of taIII CB’s I just got honestly aren’t that much different from my new set of Callaway apex tcb’s… going for the bag isn’t always the best idea when you’re trying to play good golf still

[@jayburbs15]

Frequency is giving you CPM.... SST Pure finds the principle plain of oscillation. You are a lost puppy in a world of dogs.😅😂😅

[@EFGMC]

And that is a completely useless made up thing. A golf shaft does not flex in a single plane. And just as importantly, a golf shaft flexes 1 time during the down swing. Looking at more movement than that is pointless.

[@kingace1115]

putter swing weight matters and I will die on that hill. Go put a 120 gram putter grip on a 330g head and see what happens.

[@EFGMC]

We're on two different hills then. 😀

[@alberttran7194]

I love the hubris of many people thinking they can feel the difference between 1 swing weight. Or even an extra wrap or 2.

[@floydhammett5786]

Let's see you are telling me I don't need a custom club builder spinning the shaft and freq. Is not needed ok off the shelf clubs for me.. I would delete this video if you want to stay in a limited client business

[@EFGMC]

Pretty sure people like honesty.

[@jayburbs15]

FUN FACT: Swing weight changes the entire feel of the golf club. It also changes the frequency to which they will play. You just tested CPM? Obviously, you're incompetent as a golf club builder. Wow. Seriously, get off of KZbin.

[@EFGMC]

Wow. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

[@06Trdrew11]

I have been using standard grips for 30 years. 1 month ago I put on midsize golf pride grips from Dicks sporting goods on my wedges(1 tape) I’d say I’m below average hand size but the new grips feel amazing. Definitely changing out the woods and irons eventually.

[@EFGMC]

All comes down to what feels right to the individual.