The Twin & Earth Cable You've Always Dreamed Of is Here!

[@AdrianBawn]

I'm just a DIYer, but i think I speak for most people who ever need to touch electrics, Thank you so much for this. Its about damn time. I've never understood why the CPC didn't have a sheath if you always have to apply one when you strip the cable back.

[@Danish1der]

I always assumed the cpc didn’t have a sheath so that it was not insulated from potential damage to the cable?

[@x1BULLETfromABOVE1x]

It's cost related and also if you were to drill through the cable with a screw, when say putting up brackets for a shelf,you would have a higher chance of hitting the earth and one of the line conductors to cause a safe path for the electricity instead of making the screw live

[@deang5622]

The CPC doesn't have insulation because it doesn't need it. It is surrounded by the cable sheath and the two adjacent conductors are insulated so there is nothing for the earth conductor to come electrically into contact with anything else. Therefore the cable can be made more cheaply. When analysing problems in electricity, you have to ask yourself: what's the electric shock risk posed by what we're doing, and what is the fire risk posed by doing something? And the answer here to both questions is: nothing.

[@deang5622]

You don't always apply a sheath when you strip it back. That is not correct. There are two different things going on. Insulation and marking. The line and neutral are covered and that is insulation. The purpose of insulation is to ensure that no electrical contact can be made from the inner copper conductor and anything else. Marking is where we apply a piece of coloured sleeve over the conductor and the colour of the sleeve indicates the purpose of that conductor. This is NOT insulation. The sleeve might have some electrically insulative property but it is much thinner than the insulation that is used for the line and neutral. It does not offer the same level of insulative protection. You are assuming that the sleeve (which is typically yellow) that is put on the earth conductor is being done to provide insulation. That is not the case. When you have a bare conductor wired in, someone else coming along later after it was installed, doesn't know what that conductor is carrying or what its purpose is, so you mark it.

[@JasperJanssen]

@@deang5622the whole condescending explanation of the difference between insulation and marking is completely irrelevant to your first sentence. You do, in fact, always apply a sheath when you strip it back. Not insulation, but you do apply a marking sheath.

[@Thermoelectric7]

It's a bit bizzare watching this from Australia. Our twin and earth started coming with sleeved earth probably 20-30 years ago. Only find the bare earth in pretty old homes now. Surprised it's taken this long for you lot to take it up! We also moved away from solid conductors in everything apart from 1mm. Stranded is a lot nicer to work with.

[@efixx]

Thanks for your insight from Australia and watching 👍🏻

[@retrozmachine1189]

Yes, while we do have the option of using solid if we like, stranded is just so much easier to handle and pull than solid that no one in their right mind does.

[@12000gp]

I’ll agree completely on the stranded vs solid but is it much of a difference having a sleeved CPC?

[@Thermoelectric7]

@12000gp Easier to work with, don't have to carry sleeving with you or have it fall off and all that jazz. If you're going to sleeve it when you terminate the cable, why not just sleeve it at the factory? That and all our earths are required to be stranded, and sleeving that is more annoying. To me, the only situation where leaving it bare would make sense is where you don't need to sleeve it. However, as that's mandatory, what advantages does a bare CPC have?

[@retrozmachine1189]

@@Thermoelectric7 The usual explanation is that it gives better protection should someone drive a nail through the cable, ie higher probability of contacting the earth wire should active/neutral be nicked. It's a stretch at best.

[@thanhhuynh272]

Australian here: We have had a dedicated Earth sheath in green-yellow in our 2.5 amd 1.5mm squared T.P.S., (Tough PVC Sheath) cables for about 30 years now, prior to that, the Earth was bare as in your cable. Some differences/developments in our cables. 1920s Vulcanized India Rubber and cotton sheathed single solid core wire in imperial…about 2mm squared, lain in pine trunking. Imported from England, so identical to yours. Earth run seperately, if st all. 1930s. Same VIR in black painted, rolled steel conduit. Earth still run seprately. Also, in a similar form to modern, Lead, yes, lead, the 84th element on the perioic table…shearhed cable, with the same VIR inside in red and black. Red colour was rather dull compared to modern polymers. 1940s. War surplous black rubber. Same flat format as modern, no Earth, (Run separately alongside, if at all). Inner cores, soft rubber that tended to bobd to the outer black sheath. No cotton weave over the rubber inners. All these older cables had single solid cores that were tin plated copper. I think the tin was put there because the bare copper would react with the sulphur in the rubber. 1950s. First PVC insulated cables. Two cores in vivid red and black in a black sheath with a “score” on the wide side making it look like thick “figure-8”. Conductors: Still single solid, but now without the tin plating. 1960’s. First like the black ‘50’s stuff, but now in white. Somewhat later the bare Earth was added between the red active and blue neutral….so really similar to the stuff you use there now! 1970’s. Earth was made stranded, first three strands, later increased to seven strands. ALL AUSTRALIAN CABLES for donestic wiring have an Earth conductor with the same cross-sectional-area as the main active and neutral! Much of the remainder of the 20th century: Things stayed much the same, however the Government made a decree thst all public buildings be wired with cable that had all three conductors seven stranded, do cable with this stipulation was manufactired and it could be used for domestic rewires too if desired, but it was more expensive. Turn of the Millenium: Sometime sround the turn of the Millenium the gree-yellow sheath was added to the centre Earth core and the use of single-solid cores was banned and ALL cables had to be seven stranded. It has been much like thst ever since. So far, that European “madness” of brown acrive and blue neutral….which gets confused with blue phase in three phase stuff…has not infected us….yet…and hopefully NEVER! Our single phase active/phase colour is still RED = DANGER and Black = absence of all colour = absense of voltage (under normsl conditions). And don’t even mention that American craziness, BLACK = acrive and WHITE = neutral…what sort of madness is that. Theor heads must have been put on backwards! Here, white is a switched active in a lighting circuit between a switch and a light or sometimes some other load. Our modern TPS has two paralell scores down each side to facilitate tearing it back to reveal the inners, the older stuff without the seperately dheathed Earth had just ine score on each side. New Zealand cable is identical…but with one difference…the active is in the middle and shielded by the neutral on one dide and the Earth on the other (both connected by the M.E.N. Link in the switchboard. (Kiwis were and still are just one step ahaid of us Aussies!) Our cable brands are Pirelli, Olex and Advance Cables. The newest cables have layered insulation on the active and neutral inners that is white closest to the copper strands and has a layer of red or black over the white. The Earth is green with s two thinner yellow traces, these colours extend right through to the copper cores. Cheers to those st Doncaster Cables, hope it gives you some ideas for further improvment. P.S. All our goodbrands have chalk dust between the inner and outer. We are dtrating to see fake Chinese clones invade our market with dire consiquences. The Globe Collector, Tasmania.

[@BigHenFor]

No-one is immune from criticism, but criticism should be deserved and constructive. I don't think your comment fits those criteria. Moreover, the motivation of electricians everywhere is safety to them and the consumer. Blue and brown causes no problems for the decades they've been the standard in the UK. Either you know what you're doing, or you should leave electrics alone.

[@superslash7254]

Spellcheck my dude. Or stop youtubing while drunk.

[@TerrisLeonis]

That "European madness" as you call it was introduced to Aus/NZ Standard 3000 in 2018. The old colours are still permitted (AS/NZS 3000:2018 permits active to be any colour except green, yellow, green+yellow, black or light blue, permits black OR light blue as neutral, and mandates earth must be green+yellow). But the recommended colours are brown for live and light blue for neutral. Three-phase colours are brown for P1, black for P2, and white or grey for P3. Yes, we have black for a live in three phase now.

[@TerrisLeonis]

I like to think of it like this: the brown wire is the same colour your pants will become if you touch it.

[@whizzo94]

Got to agree with you about the insulation colours. I believe there have been some accidents in the UK where a phase and neutral have been mixed up because of the stupid European colour coding. And the mistakes have not been made by amateurs.

[@barryjdwyer]

Finally the UK has caught up with Republic of Ireland! The hours of sleeving you're going to save!

[@benjurqunov]

Meanwhile in USA... Earth ground is bare and they let it touch anywhere it happens to get pressed against. It's been that way 80-ish years when they started putting earth ground conductor within a jacketed cable.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

@@benjurqunov And why shouldn't it be ....

[@dejanbrice8774]

Ground loops, control over potential@@dmitripogosian5084

[@MostlyPennyCat]

​@@benjurqunov When there even _is_ an earth.

[@anticat867]

@@benjurqunov Meanwhile in Central Europe, we always use 3 identical conductors for L, N and PE.

[@walterjwalnut9964]

Australian PVC twin and earth has had the earth (CPC) fully insulated since before I became experienced with it in the mid 1970's, i.e. originally green but more recently yellow green insulation the same overall thickness as the active and neutral lines insulation. Also our earth cable itself is the same cross section and material as the active and neutral cables for cables up to 4mmsq, after that the earth cable can be reduced cross section. Personally can see the benefit, but can't understand the hoopla about a leap that brings the UK up to standards that have existed elsewhere for 50+ yeas.

[@martinsweltdertechnik1868]

New in UK. In Germany since 50 Years.

[@raxorlp9932]

i thought the same

[@jonasduell9953]

Hey don't be mean! I mean I saw a lot of those old 180° spring loaded turning switches in the UK too, almost felt like a Victorian rich person adjusting the gas flow in my modern gas supplied London Estate lighting.

[@raxorlp9932]

@@jonasduell9953 :D

[@louisvl10]

also the uk has smaller thickness wire for earth. that's forbidden in belgium

[@paradieshenne]

@@louisvl10 I would think it depends. Here in Germany, it can be smaller for conductors >16mm²

[@heffo1992]

We have had this in 🇮🇪 for years with the exception the CPC is the same size as the other conductors.

[@efixx]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@gabor.nadudvari]

UK is one step closed to IEC standards, and less hamonisation will be required.

[@steveosshenanigans]

Same in Australia…..we had this cable for years

[@isaac827]

@@steveosshenanigans At least 30 years.... I was an apprentice almost that long ago, and the only time I have ever seen cables like this it is in old installations.

[@CBE-d6j]

@heffo1992 i wish the cpc was the same size, looks like this is still a 2.5mm and 1mm. 😭

[@mistymick4905]

Hallelujah, About bloomin’ time. We’ve had this type of cable for years in Australia and New Zealand. How many times have you sparky’s put oversized sleeving on the earth core,I wonder!

[@jens-olefrimann6818]

Also in Denmark

[@BurkenProductions]

You're cabling are the worst dude

[@chimpyd]

@@BurkenProductions Your spelling is the worst

[@GSHElectrical]

Very exciting for our industry 👏🏼

[@efixx]

Sure is

[@12000gp]

Is it that exciting? How many seconds will it save?

[@Gaunty213]

Continue using the none sleeved version. Thats that sorted

[@professionalineverything]

Hi Efixx in disguise.

[@Ben-gm9lo]

What about the poor sleeving production companies. Think of the millions of unemployed this will create (just a joke, in case that slipped you by).

[@daved4547]

You had me laughing as I watched the earth sleeve drop and thought, 'Yep, been there, just a few times' 😏😎🖖

[@John-ou4rm]

Especially when it's dark because the electrics are off!

[@der.Schtefan]

I am not a Brit, just a EU engineer. This video popped up on my YT feed. If I understand, British electricians need to strip the 3-wire cable, then artificially put a yellow/green sleeve on the earth conductor that runs otherwise bare? And this company has designed a cable that fits the existing standards, but runs the earth insulated with a "pale mauve" color? (not sure i can identify this correctly in english)

[@dlevi67]

Yes, other than the colour of the insulation, which is normal green-and-yellow striped.

[@marcviej.5635]

this is standard in the EU for like 50 years

[@holzwurm_hd7029]

Wait what? The UK finally has isolated ground wires? In germany you are not allowed to use anything besides double isolated wires in house wiring.

[@joansparky4439]

The UK have had "some sort of" democracy for several centuries.. until they are ahead of the pack again it will be a while and needs to break. Only then will that society be able to keep up or even lead again.. this is (unfortunately) to be expected.

[@jimi272]

In Switzerland and the rest of Europe, we have „NYM“ cables for permanent installations. They all have 3 or 5 equally sized strains, of course with the right colors. Don’t understand how England is so behind in that regard😂

[@GoonSmith007]

Same I was confused by all the hype, this has existed in Australia for over a decade at least.

[@lobbyhoe01]

And all that stupid color coding with heat shrink, here in germany you can get basically every combination of brown, black, gray, blue and green/yellow, or numbered black you’ll ever need, and usually up to 10 conductors, as NYM, NHXMH, NYY, N2YY or NYCWY, NA2YY and NAYY for >10mm2

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

But you have the absolutely terrible colour choices that you forced on us.

[@edc1569]

UK has always been an incredibly price sensitive market for domestic stuff, in commercial there’s not so much T&E and yeah we have all sorts of other cables too….

[@sergiofernandez3725]

This is groundbreaking stuff Doncaster cable for cable in England. Ireland had this years ago. This product will change the uk market. Well done team Doncaster cable

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Same in Oz

[@mernokimuvek]

Most of Europe never allowed this bullshit. Even early 1960s cables had full sized and insulated ground wire.

[@michiellombaers3198]

Same in continental Europe ... 🤷‍♂

[@mernokimuvek]

The UK is a 3rd world country compared to continental Europe. They have ugly electrics and they use miles instead of kilometers. Far from modern civilization.

[@rogerphelps9939]

This is a no brainer. The original spec should have mandated a sheathed earth conductor.

[@Smart-electrical]

What a time to be alive.

[@Doncaster_Cables]

Nice to hear 🙏

[@richnorman7325]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@nickdobb2555]

When you're alive is always the best time to be alive. Some might say the *only* time.

[@nickdobb2555]

Or for that matter, what a time to be a CPC. I'll get me coat.

[@shaggygoat]

Here in NZ, we have been using green-yellow sleeved Earth wires in our TPS (Tough Plastic Sheath) cables for many decades, originally in Live, Earth, Neutral order but now in Neutral, Live and Earth order (which I guess is probably safer given that Live is in the middle and RCDs/GFCIs are ubiquitous and would quickly detect a Neutral-Earth swap).

[@jackfromthe60s]

TPS= Thermoplastic Sheathed

[@shaggygoat]

@@jackfromthe60s: TPS as “Tough Plastic Sheath” is common in New Zealand written material (for example, that put out by WorkSafe, a government agency). I gather it’s because we used to have TRS = Tough Rubber Sheath, in contrast to the VIR (Vucanised Indian Rubber), which still exists in the death trap houses owned by slumlords.

[@ThePlumbeus]

So I guess the big deal is that the cables share dimensions with the regular ones and of course the approval. We had cables with sleeved earth for longer than I live, but those are round with equal distribution, so they would not fit your standard components. Being able to use existing tools, switches and other components is quite important in the industry. Greetings from Germany.

[@adrianupnorth]

I just love Doncaster cable. I had to use some cheap Indian cable a few weeks ago - what a difference. Great news, not enough wholesalers sell DC

[@efixx]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@Doncaster_Cables]

We would agree... but maybe slightly bias! 😃Thank you for the nice comment and support.

[@nickdobb2555]

Toolstation sell DC

[@nickdobb2555]

​@@Doncaster_Cablesdoes the Earthsure design reduce the likelihood of cable damage/penetration causing a current path to the CPC in order to cause tripping, or has it been designed so this remains the same? Presumably we don't want to reduce the likelihood of cable damage resulting in an ADS...

[@MervynPartin]

Brilliant idea. The comment about dropping the sleeving is so true- usually when I've been on a stepladder.

[@Ben-gm9lo]

So this idea has a safety benefit attached too!

[@TheDarmach]

I didn't even know these cables aren't the standard in the EU, here they are used for most part of past 30 years

[@tomhoward5484]

I was told at college, that the CPC was unsleeved to help with ADS if the cable is damaged, as it would be easier for it to come into contact with the line and neutral conductors and activate the protective device 🤔

[@milosavitch1]

this is exactly what I was going to say, if you put a screw through T&E all it has to do is touch earth, but if the earths already sleeved it might gently push it put the way. Not sold on this for my house, I might put it in a commercial building

[@richardlewis5316]

Hooray. I thought the exposed copper E was to ensure that if the cable fractured and the L & N were exposed they would touch the E first. But to have the E not needing the sleeve is so good. Many times I go to my box and cannot find the sleeving! Hopefully it will be stocked by B&Q and Screwfix soon.

[@streaky81]

It doesn't ensure it, it might raise the odds - but I suspect it almost never happens in the real world. You're better of just having RCBOs/AFDDs and an occasional circuit test. If you think if you stretch the cable or bend the cable and it damages the conductor the insulation of the conductors will force them away from each other regardless, best you can hope for is the cable fails completely or an AFDD spots it.

[@dexwolfpack7919]

not sure about this one to be honest i remember in my studies about this in electronics we looked at these cables as an example i was taught that the exposed earth increased the likelihood that if one line on either side was damaged it raised the chance that the cable would trip as sealing the grounding cable meant that if the outer shell of the cable was penetrated it reduces the possibility of a trip down to a 1 in 3 chance (this is bad as it it means if the cable is damaged by something it will only trip 1 in 3) reducing the efficacy of the trip from its current safety rating of nearly 80% down to 33% in this case i would argue this cable is easier to install no doubt but the safety concerns if damaged are higher

[@b67fstb]

I thought in Belgium things went slow . We have this for decades ! 😉

[@ooltimu]

Why is the ground conductor thinner in UK? It should be at least the size of the phase/neutral

[@jayktee96]

I've wished for this for 50 years (now retired) . I used to use 1mm t&e with 2 red cores for switch drops, but haven't seen it for a long time, maybe DC should bring it back with 2 brown cores. Taking it even further-how about 3c and e with 2 brown and 1 blue, for timer fans/PIR etc. I always hated silly bits of sleeving.

[@Doncaster_Cables]

Agreed on all points. We do still manufacture twin brown ordinary t&e. Nothing stopping us bringing a twin brown Earthsure to the market if it helps people 👌

[@_eusty]

Bought some the other day with 2 brown cores by mistake... Prysmian though not Doncaster

[@FirstDan2000]

This is a great product, it will be welcomed by many I wonder if 4 core flex will ever be improved by having a blue core instead of a grey core - like we used to have before harmonisation? It's a pain sleeving or taping that grey in roses, plugs, and other lighting accessories. And we don't use 1mm 4 core in 3-phase no-neutral applications as suggested by the grey core.

[@Ragnar8504]

@@FirstDan2000 In Germany you can get four-core with a blue on special order I think. Not sure about flex but I've definitely seen building cable. It's not needed all that often though and due to low sales volume five-core can actually be cheaper than four-core.

[@spankeyspangler]

Most people might take the neutral to the switch Nowadays surely. I do and I only install radials. Crazy I know. 😊

[@parkeerwacht]

so the UK is starting to do what we have over here for many years. however our cables are round (XMvK/YMvK which is most common) all conductors are the same size. never understood why it is blank over there, or smaller sized to the main conductors. Our regulations say that the Protective Earth must be the same conductor size as the main conductors up to 16mm2 above this it may be half of the main conductor size. we see this usually in steel armored (YMvK-AS) to be installed in the ground. Steel armored is only used in the ground to act as an extra mechanical protection, with the PE conductor consisting in bare copper strips (with additional steel strips as filler and reinforcement) or flexible tinned core with a braided steel mesh around it.

[@BrianCairns]

The equivalent of T&E in the USA (Type NM-B, commonly called "Romex") is also bare copper for the CPC (Equipment Grounding Conductor, usually just called "Ground") is always bare copper in my experience. The difference is that there is no requirement to sleeve or label the EGC in the US National Electric Code. The EGC can be bare copper, solid green, or green with a yellow stripe.

[@__Brandon__]

Wouldn't you want it to always be bare in case someone drives a screw into it. You want the ground to sink the current immediately if a short is possible

[@dmitripogosian5084]

@@__Brandon__ Exactly, I do not understand the European desire to insulate ground. More over, since we are all still alive in North America, it looks like all this largely irrelevant, and just serves purpose to have extra regulation.

[@steve11211]

Wow well done truly innovative, my only slight concern is how it performs stripping the cable by pulling the CPC that so many of us are used to doing especially when the cable gets a bit old and the powder does not work as well.. Apart from that I would say if its the same price, just stop making the old T&E and have this as standard, it will be down to the wholesalers, not enough people will hear about this whereas if you just replace all your T&E with this when the sparky gets it and sees the surprise of cpc colour coded they will be like wow this is great cable ill make sure I get the doncaster cable again as thats great.. But most sparkies will just grab what the wholesaler has in stock..

[@salmattrulz]

As an Apprentice Electrician working at a cable manaufacturing plant (not doncaster) love seeing these videos.

[@theawfulmrbird]

Living in a country which uses NYM-J cable i always wondered why twin and earth used bare copper as earth conductor. Nice to see that there is some progress.

[@dorsetengineering]

I was in a big DIY store in Germany recently - NYM-J was on the shelf in all the sizes, looked like a nice product.

[@raywelshman]

I wondered how long it would take for the Uk to catch up with the Republic of Ireland who have Green/Yellow sleeved Earth in their T&E for some time now BTW they don't appear to have problems with cable clips etc. It has been a long time coming I'm 81 and a long time retired, we would have welcomed this in my day, in my time we called it Earth or Ground and not some silly acronym that has been used for a component supply company for many years & a lorry drivers exam, just Google CPC and see what you get..

[@CBE-d6j]

It was called cpc to avoid confusing the earth conductor from the circuit protective conductor.

[@MorzakEV]

When I saw this in my feed, I thought it was dejavu!!! I was trying to work out if Valetines day was also April fools!

[@efixx]

Sorry 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@cglees]

It was originally an April Fools gag…

[@MorzakEV]

Lol, yeah, I know @@cglees

[@The1nsane1]

What a revolution. Good to see you pommies are finally catching up. Australia introduced this back in the late 70's.😂😂

[@chairmakerPete]

pointless - solving a problem that doesn't exist. Zero people have ever been killed by an uninsulated earth - which by definition, shouldn't be insulated. Next, notices warning that water is wet and ice is slippery...

[@illusivec]

Not an electrician but I always wondered why the earth cables in the UK didn't come with the insulation already applied. My hypothesis was that it was a safety feature that'd make sure if the insulation on the live or neutral would ever get damaged, it'd short to earth and trip the fuse. Kinda surprised to hear the earth cable is naked just to save on material. Goes to show me not to overthink stuff.

[@terrykillip8504]

Are you going to do a low smoke version?

[@vandergulden]

Is this new new? Not a retouched old vid or so. Last year I was super exited that I found a house with wire nuts and old coloured cables with gray earth wire instead of the green yellow thing. (all the same size though) I think that changed in 1970 in the Netherlands. But never such a flimsy bare earth wire. (I honestly have no clue if it is called earth though). So I thought that should be from even before the colours changed in 1970.

[@joansparky4439]

Earth is only needed for a couple milliseconds until the MCB / RCD / AFD cuts off that faulty circuit - it's not there to keep the circuit running, which is why it can be thinner.

[@DilipDas]

I think I speak for everyone when I say, IT'S ABOUT BLOODY TIME!! I'm just a DIYer and son of an electrian and whenever we strip the cable back we have to apply earth sleeving on anyway so why not have the earth identified anyway?? The amount of faff and hassle saved from dropping earth sleving will be emmense! And having it at the same price as T+E means just buy earth sure! Absolute game changer!! ❤

[@theondebray]

Nice idea, but one small disadvantage, if you pull the bare earth wire hard, it simply cuts thru the outer insulation, helping stripping time.

[@paulf2529]

I had an uncle who was what you might call a pro bodger/ handyman. He would advertise for small electrical work, extra sockets etc and used to call the earth wire the striping wire, he always cut his earth out on lighting and never bothered to sleave on sockets. I rekon when he finally retired all the local electricians would have rejoiced!

[@iKidTutor]

As a German i would say we have this since the 60s/70s. Even in this old buildings where cables were placed underneath the wall Finish without ductwork around them. So save to say Ive never Seen anything Else in ny life used. So ofcourse we have single strain wires too. But in a context of your everyday Electro Installation this Basic 3x1,5m^2 etc is the Most Basic thing

[@acespark1]

Thanks Gary you have score us all a winner and Doncaster cables trying to take all the glory. 😁

[@efixx]

He is always trying to take the credit for other people’s ideas 🤣

[@nickuk1978]

It's a lie, was my idea! #alternativetruths

[@paulfox4348]

Same cable has been used in Ireland for a long time maybe 10 years, IS 6193B

[@Gus1966-c9o]

I’m an electrician here in Australia, we’ve had the earth conductor insulated for 40 years ! . And our conductors are all multi strand not solid .

[@babooXX]

Meanwhile in Europe, everyone has been using round cables with all conductors individually sleeved since even before the € became a thing you could touch.

[@marcviej.5635]

yea and flat cables have been banned long time ago too

[@babooXX]

@@marcviej.5635 That's not actually true, you can still use flat cables (NYIF) but their use is discouraged and limited, must for example not be used in bathrooms and must be completely by plaster anywhere else.

[@marcviej.5635]

@@babooXXThat's possible where you are but here in Belgium flat cables won't pass inspection

[@edc1569]

Why are round cables better?

[@babooXX]

@@edc1569 That's mainly just preference; there's some minor technical advantages: round cables are easier to drum (you don't need to care about the orientation), and it's easier to drill a round hole and use a round grommet to clamp a round cable for tension relief than to find a way to do so with a twin'n'earth.

[@euanhaig4422]

Glad to see it made in Britain!

[@thermionicdude2044]

How ground breaking 😂 New Zealand and Australia have had this for years. Years ago when I did my part P in the UK even the instructor had no clue as to why the UK was so far behind on this. Glad your now catching up 👍

[@paulf2529]

This is great news, Doncaster cable has always been a nice product to work with. A no brainer really to use this.

[@dsesuk]

About time too. I'll be buying this.

[@1953Hardwork]

Australia has been using twin + earth for years with a green and yellow insulated earth for 30 years plus.

[@efixx]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@AngelLaHash]

I did think it was bare because if there was any cut in the lines it touches earth first making it safer. Worse case live cable sleeve damaged , it now has an added protection from touching earth first .

[@mfr58]

You won't be able to use the cpc to split back the insulation anymore......:)

[@pierer91]

As marine Electro Tech, all our cable comes with sheathed earth. Never understood why domestic stuff doesn’t 😂

[@davidwilkins2368]

Everybody in the UK will be speccing this immediately :) What a great idea :)

[@unrealillusion87]

Im from Switzerland and cant seem to figure out why make things so complicated? Can anybode explain whats the deal with this? I would never want a smaller earth conductor.. We have 3 conductors with 1.5mm2 crosssection. Earth must of course be the same crosssection as the live conductors.

[@joansparky4439]

In ALL fault cases Earth only carries current for a couple milliseconds until the MCB / RCD / AFD cuts the circuit off. It doesn't need to be able to sustain that current. This is not it's job in modern installations. That's the hob of Neutral / Life.

[@keithbroughton4476]

Here in N America we are not required to sheath the ground (earth) conductor (what a PITA!) so I can see why everyone is so exited about this product.

[@professionalineverything]

Thanks, now to extend the socket circuit with this cable. Which will confuse my dad who will disapprove the whole project on its own but its worth it as he will tell his friends about it.

[@NathanBarley-h6l]

My house here in Australia was built in the late 80's and the TPS cable used has the earth already insulated lol. Having said that, we still haven't managed to invent double glazed windows over here yet

[@nickdobb2555]

Or spiders that don't kill you.

[@richardlegg190]

Will they be doing it in LSF?

[@RWBHere]

Wow! It's long past time for this to be introduced. I retired 2 years ago and always wished that Earth wires were shrouded correctly. Too late for me, but a boon for those of you who are still in the electrical wiring business. How much sleeving has been wasted by being dropped onto floors, down crevices, etc over the years? Nobody will ever know.

[@jeffhendon5506]

Was fitting this cable with covered earth in Australia in 2008/09. It's not NEW just never been offered here we're catching up at last !!

[@jgharston]

Interesting. Yes, it will mean having to learn/get the habit of stripping the outer sheath differently. With a bare CPC I usually use the end-run method, cutting in lengthways from the cut end, running next to the CPC as a guide and pushing away from the adjacent sheathed conductor. Of course, this method would mean me de-sheathing the CPC!

[@adventuresofanathan]

My only question now is does it work with the quickwore junction boxes you feautred before? 🤔

[@rajnirvan3336]

Will there be a 3 core version of this too

[@05009]

So is it now PVC PVC Twin and PVC CPC cable?

[@Doncaster_Cables]

You are correct, and this is exactly why we needed to come up with a name like Earthsure 😆

[@0dWHOHWb0]

Wait is the news that you have all three in a cable now? Was that not a thing over there in England already?

[@TehJumpingJawa]

Even as a DIYer this is exciting! 😍

[@kenbrown2808]

from the states, I'm a bit amused by the effort put into making sure the new style of cable is the exact same profile as previous iterations, because our cabling changes size and profile frequently. in my career, it's gone from big and bulky, to slim, and now it is getting bulkier again.

[@ccoder4953]

I'm guessing the UK being a smaller market makes it harder to justify the tooling costs to change things. The thing that's got me confused is why they feel the need to sleeve and identify ground. Apparently they don't really care about it being insulated (after all, they aren't even calling it insulated). And I'm not actually sure why you would WANT ground insulated - if a wire has come loose and is rattling around the box, it having a chance to touch ground and trip the breaker seems like a good thing to me. And it's not like people in the US have a hard time identifying the ground wires - they're always the bare or green ones.

[@kenbrown2808]

@ccoder4953 i can understand sleeving the ground on a 240v system. It protects from accidental contact if the wires haven't come loose, and uk boxes aren't as roomy as us boxes. It's the fact their fittings are made to such close tolerances that is different. Exposed weather tight fittings, i can see, but our fittings for stuff inside the wall have huge tolerances.

[@chrisyeates2289]

wow tbh a small but quite pleasant change to ffs I've drop the sleeve. again !!

[@JonathanFunkhouseMonkhouse]

I always thought it was because CPC is a safety circuit trip, so if Live or Neutral get damaged it would activate the CPC Earth easier. .. With a green/yellow sheath, the damage would have to get through two layers of sheath to activate the safety feature.

[@JBE]

All this and we're still installing ring circuits.

[@efixx]

🤦🏻‍♂️👍🏻

[@brianwood5220]

Somebody had to spend the R&D & Certification money at some point, even Irland have had something similar for years. Well done Doncaster Cables and best wishes for the sales of it.

[@DeKempster]

Interesting, earth conductors is a smaler size compared to L/N in the UK?

[@UKsystems]

it is because the protective device will engage and if not it will just get hot of it is in use

[@efixx]

Yep

[@nickdobb2555]

Yes, they're not normally current carrying so they don't need to be as big - only big enough to not get too hot during the relatively short duration of a fault to earth before the fuse blows or breaker trips or etc.

[@ppdan]

Theoreticaly in nearly all failures the main RCD will trip before the earth conductor gets "overloaded". Our code here (Belgium) requires the earth to be equal or more.

[@keacoq]

Is this the beginning of the end of bare copper earthing conductors in the UK? In France and NZ earth conductors have been insulated for decades.

[@Yousitech]

In the USA we don’t sleeve our grounding conductors. And our plugs are easy to shock yourself if you remove from the box. We doing ok😊

[@ralfbaechle]

A weird experience for somebody from Germany where to my understanding cables with uninsulated earth wire are legal but I have not even once seen that.

[@joansparky4439]

Been like that in Germany for DECADES.. and over here in Australia this is the norm for at least as long as well. And the UK only catching up now? OK, in the grand scheme of things - a couple decades give or take don't really matter.. but wow.

[@davidpinckney5595]

Hi, This type of cable has been available in Thailand for a number of years now

[@wpm720]

Nice to see that the new pre-sleeved will cost the same 🙌

[@Bigbluevwvan]

Doncaster cable has alwayas been my first choice

[@eddiereed5025]

Great move from Doncaster matching te price for ordinary, who is going to buy old style now this is here other manufacturers got some catching up to do.

[@efixx]

Thanks for the positive comment 👍🏻

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

That I would imagine is because Doncaster Cables are anticipating covering the development costs through increased sales. They may well have patents making it difficult for other manufacturers to follow.

[@RandomGrinch]

For some further historical debate on T&E - GB patent GB834015 from June 1956, suggests the use of an unsleeved CPC is to facilitate the splitting of the sheath - for use as a ( to quote) "rip cord"! 😀

[@shanksgaming2827]

I’ve always said prysmian cable is the best to work with but if these new earth sure Doncaster cables are any good I might switch. 😮

[@OH2023-cj9if]

If only I could have had this in the 80s!

[@MatSmithLondon]

I think you should release another new cable, where all three cores don’t have their own sheath. Much cheaper and smaller. I think it might catch-on. Can we work towards Basec approval?

[@nickdobb2555]

Congratulations, you just invented the busbar 😂

[@MrFameBright]

Great idea, if it's the same price and quality, this should be used as standard!

[@keithterry2169]

Insulation doesn't come free, the price will have to rise.

[@kirkshielsthreesixtyuk8380]

Wonder if the new quickwire connectors are affected with this?

[@stubsstubs]

Love this, but I’ve only recently discovered the Quickwire products (thanks to your videos) and love them! Will these still be compatible with this Earthsure cable?

[@jamesreilly8455]

Can this cable be used alongside the Quickwire T connectors?

[@josephkaz9093]

Would these still work with Quickwire?

[@efixx]

How to Strip EarthSure Cable kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnWTmn6eodaCqbs

[@yngndrw.]

@@efixx I think he means the accessories, not the stripper.

[@BillsCountrysideAdventures]

Well done guys again, masters at work. Well done on keeping same price, that is amazing.

[@efixx]

Thanks for the wonderful comment 👍🏻

[@markpotter8280]

will be interesting to see a video on what this new cable is like to work with, i.e how well does it bend what is it like to strip. how easy is it to connect the fiddley earth into a pendant where most of us over sleeve all cpc's together. also now I can see the sales of wago's going up on light switches with cavity/fast fix boxes ( where you feed the switch obviously ). Also how many times have kitchen fitters drilled though a cable and nipped the live and cpc together now they may screw into the live but not break the insulation on the cpc which would leave a nice live screw in Mrs Smiths wall unit. Not sure if I like this cable yet only time will tell I suppose

[@michaeljohnson1006]

They have been using it sleeved abroad for years. Will dodgy people start using the cpc as a live conductor and sleeve it brown?

[@dlevi67]

It's still smaller than the current-carrying wires...

[@Ragnar8504]

@@r.h.8754 I once had to trace a N-E fault in a commercial vehicle, a bit like a camper van. Three-phase inlet to a small DB with RCD and a few MCBs, from there to various circuits. The DB also held a homebrew transfer switch because the vehicle also had leisure batteries and an inverter (single phase). I eventually traced the fault to a four-core between the DB and the inverter. They'd extended the green/yellow core with a bit of blue inside the DB and connected it to the neutral bar. The other end was connected to the vehicle's chassis, which was also connected to the supply earth. The coach builder's electricians did a lot of repairs but I'm not sure if that offending piece of 4-core was ever replaced (the fault was found when the vehicle was brand new).

[@JezCunningham]

And which hand-strippers will do all three cores at once?

[@gabor.nadudvari]

A year ago you made a joke based on Irish cables. Now Earthsure is on the market. I wish this would be real next year as well.

[@efixx]

As do we 👍🏻

[@slimjim2526]

I was told Australia 🇦🇺 have been using this type of cable for years i maybe wrong 😑

[@russellslater4037]

Will it work with Quickwire?

[@efixx]

How to Strip EarthSure Cable kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnWTmn6eodaCqbs

[@AndrewCampbell-j9x]

Aren't we missing something here? I always thought T&E cable had no sleeve on the earth for safety? If the cable is damaged, without sleeving it is more likely to short safely to the bare CPC than if a sleeve is present.

[@kobirelf97]

This is why I love Doncaster cables they are the number one cable company around now

[@Doncaster_Cables]

Thank you

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Are they?

[@kobirelf97]

@@acelectricalsecurity yes

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@@kobirelf97 well the last time I used their cable when it was exclusive to cef, it was like chewing gum, and get to the end of the drum and the last several metres was useless, because it was all twisted and deformed.

[@scwfan08]

Interesting you can reduce the size of the cpc. In Germany you cannot do this with conductors smaller than 35mm2

[@andycrask3531]

That's brilliant

[@efixx]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@olly7673]

It is a canny business move keeping the price the same and it may possibly help to take some the market share from the nasty imported rubbish from some Turkish and far east brands, as DC may now have the edge when putting convenience and quality over price. What is the situation with a LS0F version and what is the difference with this DC newby and Republic of Ireland's IS201-4: 2013 BASEC, BS EN 60338, they have been using since 2017 when they scrapped bare CPC? Also, how did the new DC T&E fare with the Quickwire flat cable strippers Gaz? The same or required a bit more effort?

[@Ragnar8504]

The DC stuff still has a smaller CPC, unlike the Irish cable.