RUGBY'S NEXT CIVIL WAR?! | A BRITISH & IRISH LEAGUE??!

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@Cmac7898
@Cmac7898 Ай бұрын
South Africans joining to the URC has arguably made it the best league in Rugby. I’ll stick with our Saffa brothers thank you!
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
It's quickly becoming an amazing club competition. Three different countries had a winning last three years, and heated rivalries building already with the Saffa clubs. If only they could get their highlights packages together...
@maaifoediedelarey4335
@maaifoediedelarey4335 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. Nor is it the European game's responsibility to prop up England's rugby.
@wot4922
@wot4922 Ай бұрын
You're so gracious 🙏🇿🇦
@christoduplessis8177
@christoduplessis8177 Ай бұрын
It is the best competition in domestic rugby today and honestly after the success in attendance and viewing figures last season the URC is on the up!!! They wanted their Prem so stick with it now.
@forwardpass2725
@forwardpass2725 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. You C&P the same comment that no-one is buying
@charliebannon5489
@charliebannon5489 Ай бұрын
Ireland have nothing to gain from this. We're doing just fine with the URC as it is.
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
Ireland can make a lot more money like top 14. Global warming will put a end to SA teams in Europe
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 Ай бұрын
I agree
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
Exactly.
@Zakerius
@Zakerius Ай бұрын
I feel like the (non financial at least) gains from getting to play the SA teams is invaluable. For entertainment as well as everything else. Irish teams already get to play English teams in the Champions Cup so why do I want to see more of that? 😅
@davidpells4298
@davidpells4298 Ай бұрын
Um ...so Celtic teams doing just great previous Pro 12 ...? No they were not ..With SA involvement coupled to Irish Excellence and support URC is now a major international comp ..Who TF is propping up who ? Sorry to be abrasive but geez .. SA rugby needs propping up ? What we really need is a helping hand to hold up 4 World Cups ​@HuwEvans.
@ChristopherSephton
@ChristopherSephton Ай бұрын
It's so good to see the support from the Irish, Welsh and Scottish fans in the comments. I assure you, we Saffers have loved the switch to the URC and have developed great respect for our opponents. The fact that 3 different teams from 3 different countries have won the comp in the last 3 years shows how competitive the tournament is. I'd be devastated if we had to return to SANZAR!
@conchronic
@conchronic Ай бұрын
Fans in Ireland are happy with the current set up and feel the saffers have been a great addition
@AbeHopwood
@AbeHopwood Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans. A person with a functioning brain
@AndrewAW-w2l
@AndrewAW-w2l Ай бұрын
Stuff Sanzar and and the RFU
@tjobrien8436
@tjobrien8436 Ай бұрын
Zero chance we in Ireland want to lose the South African teams and fans. Gievup regularly playing the best teams from the top rugby nation in the world??? No bloody way. If rhe premiership teams and their masters hadn't screwed up the format of rhe heineken cup then we'd all be happier again. They absolutely destroyed the best competition ever.
@readesiun988
@readesiun988 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. My God what a troll you are, nobody cares Welshman, the arrogance of you, propping up South African rugby, 4 times World Champions. Propping up Welsh Rugby is what is actually happening, the English would not give a damn
@Etain18
@Etain18 Ай бұрын
Irish and Saffa fans are in an electric phase of creating rivalries, relationships, and just a whole vibe of joy. Good luck to anyone trying to split them up!
@stevetynant6666
@stevetynant6666 Ай бұрын
Money rules unfortunately 😪
@andredekock2933
@andredekock2933 Ай бұрын
Jouning with the English will just cost miney and will not improve revenue ​@@stevetynant6666
@LeMerch
@LeMerch Ай бұрын
@@stevetynant6666it does and that’s why the Irish and Saffas won’t want the English clubs 😂
@johnpurcell7525
@johnpurcell7525 Ай бұрын
Rather the Welsh Scottish English Great Traditional Rivalries and a lot cheaper travel Away Games
@peterincork3121
@peterincork3121 Ай бұрын
@@stevetynant6666 Tell that to London Irish, Wasps and Worcester ! 😅
@Em11112
@Em11112 Ай бұрын
“Prem considering merger”. The arrogance of how it’s being portrayed. “Access denied, yours truly, the URC”…great videos Tim
@somenamethatdoesntmatter
@somenamethatdoesntmatter Ай бұрын
@@Em11112 the arrogance to consider ones options, including dropping our own league to 8 teams. Disgusting arrogance from the disgusting english.
@davesmith826
@davesmith826 Ай бұрын
Indeed. If true, it tells you all you need to know about the individuals involved. Some of the people who run English rugby - both provincial and national - are clowns. This is why the English league is in the state it's in, and why Twickenham has just been 'rebranded'. The New Zealand union did something similar a while back and their game has nosedived. The Aussies and New Zealanders effectively kicked the Boks out of Super Rugby and their provincial game has nosedived. Australia can't even scrum any more - literally. Meanwhile the Irish, Scottish, and Italian clubs have gained considerably from the influx of South African teams into the URC. You can see this in the recent 6N. Italy beat France - but were denied a victory from a refereeing robbery. A Scottish club won the URC last year, something that would have been unheard of only a few years ago. The only sides that have not improved are the Welsh, but they have stalled because of the state of the Welsh game. Sound familiar? It should. The Welsh union is as badly run as the English and elements within both unions want to kick the South Africans out of the URC for personal gain. Who would benefit from this arrangement? Not the Irish or the Italians. Not the Scottish. Not the South Africans. Not really the Welsh. The only potential beneficiary is England, and even that is debatable.
@markdawson4625
@markdawson4625 Ай бұрын
It’s more simple, the RFU and the old farts have mismanaged English club rugby for years and have looked over their shoulder at how well the URC is doing financially. Their mates at the Torygraph have then dreamt up this misconceived and arrogant article.
@creekyknee
@creekyknee Ай бұрын
Kiss our arses you sasanach fools.
@MKRM27
@MKRM27 Ай бұрын
This story was made up by South African media, to fuel the national victim mentality
@kieranodwyer4108
@kieranodwyer4108 Ай бұрын
The URC is doing just fine as it is and as a proud Munster Rugby fan I would be totally opposed to the IRFU shafting South Africa and Italy for this merger. The Premiership clubs made this problem for themselves so they can sort out their own mess
@deniswallace-vp9tb
@deniswallace-vp9tb Ай бұрын
I think there's a case to be made for letting a Georgian team in and maybe some other nations as well and make a second league with promotion and relegation to help grow the game in Europe
@peterincork3121
@peterincork3121 Ай бұрын
@@deniswallace-vp9tb Well you can do conferences rather than promotion relegation, but I like that enlargement idea.
@OscarOSullivan
@OscarOSullivan Ай бұрын
As another Munster fan the URC has been fantastic for rugby, URC 2022-2023 was the best season in years for Munster. A fantastic semi final and final for Munster.
@creekyknee
@creekyknee Ай бұрын
Too right. These are the same fools that voted for Brexit. We don't need them.
@RebelCity_
@RebelCity_ Ай бұрын
I would welcome expanding the league as it is. Add a Georgian team. Maybe a Spanish or Portuguese team. May as well get the Argentine’s involved.
@gavinberry1796
@gavinberry1796 Ай бұрын
As a Saffer, it warms my heart to see the camaraderie between supporters - we down here get shafted so often (super rugby is a good example) that we are not used to seeing true support and friendship - as they say “a friend in need is a friend indeed”
@patrickmccutcheon9361
@patrickmccutcheon9361 Ай бұрын
Irish rugby supporters prefer the URC with the Saffa teams and not interested in replacing them with English teams. The English Premiership is a mess and needs sorting out. It is absurd that the English clubs propose a merger with the URC but demand that the Saffa and Italian teams are booted out. Leave us alone.
@hunha991
@hunha991 Ай бұрын
Shafted? South Africa wanted out of Super Rugby and only could win it a few times in the 20+ years they were in the comp
@claurettelandsman7880
@claurettelandsman7880 Ай бұрын
Hi Tim. Hope you are safely back home in the UK. Love from South Africa 🇿🇦 ♥️♥️♥️♥️
@tjobrien8436
@tjobrien8436 Ай бұрын
No way here in Ireland that we are jettisoning the saffa teams and our pals in Italy. By all means see if there is some sort of a way of bringing ginger in the English clubs. But not at the expense of our Italian and South African pals.
@ContendformyFaith
@ContendformyFaith Ай бұрын
Sounds like talks on the street and behind closed doors are that the Irish are happy with us Saffas
@tonymurphy9795
@tonymurphy9795 Ай бұрын
@@ContendformyFaith We are.
@tjobrien8436
@tjobrien8436 Ай бұрын
@ContendformyFaith 100% we are. Only serves to improve us when coming up against the too nations teams week in and out.
@ContendformyFaith
@ContendformyFaith Ай бұрын
@tjobrien8436 I agree and I think SA is really starting to warm up with this new rivalry brewing with you guys.Plenty of chat
@carlosl-f2433
@carlosl-f2433 Ай бұрын
Thats why I love the Irish, they ain't nobodies puppet.
@Mojo-IRE
@Mojo-IRE Ай бұрын
In fairness the URC have come out with a statement denying all this speculation. The SA sides have proven to be a huge positive for the league. Growth is well ahead of expectations. Some people derided it as a ridiculous gimmick with sides down the end of the world joining the league but they've all been proven wrong. Any Irish rugby fan I've spoken to wants nothing to do with this proposed merger. We're far better off testing ourselves and sharpening our tools against Saffers. It's amazing for our development to tour regularly down there.
@frontierlandfrank5314
@frontierlandfrank5314 Ай бұрын
In terms of just the rugby side of it all. URC is by far the best place right now.
@darylbehane6651
@darylbehane6651 Ай бұрын
And as a SAn we’re happy with the partnership we have with the Irish & their teams. Long may it grow & prosper! 🏉🤝🏾
@ACRC1977
@ACRC1977 Ай бұрын
It's what's best for rugby
@davidpells4298
@davidpells4298 Ай бұрын
Top 2 teams in World Rugby...SA and Ireland ...nuff said ...
@Linda_D
@Linda_D Ай бұрын
This is a comment I can definitely get behind. I 100% agree as a South African🇿🇦
@marymcgarry7985
@marymcgarry7985 Ай бұрын
As an Irish fan I love the URC with South Africa and Italy. Even with the logistical issues it’s become a fantastic league. I’d be bitterly disappointed if Italian and South African teams were pushed to one side. I say leave it alone it’s not broken…….
@mattpotter8725
@mattpotter8725 Ай бұрын
As an Englishman, with plenty of Irish ancestry (Ulster and Connacht) and who loves watching Ireland play, I totally agree with you. The only thing that makes me think though is that despite the great rugby betting played and the deepening rivalries being formed, and coming from the point of view as someone who wanted Ireland to win the World Cup last year (my grandpa was 104 and for Ireland to do this before he passed world have been amazing), is whether this is actually massively helping South Africa at the expense of Ireland, but that all said no Irish fan is ever going to want to help "fix" English clubs' problems (even though I don't think it really would, but it would be a lifeline), so putting myself in your position I'd want to keep things as they are.
@Silenttarget
@Silenttarget Ай бұрын
As a Saffa I have to say that the 2 tests this year between the boks and Ireland, had a more rivalry feel than us against the ABS. Ofcourse us fans going at each other with all the banter does help :) In saying this, the URC is just getting better and better and you can see the countries that are participating in the URC, their national teams are also growing. Just look at Italy.
@Quilty2
@Quilty2 Ай бұрын
As an Irish fan, very happy with URC as it is. Delighted with SA being in it. Sounds like Premiership is pissed off with its setup and is looking over the fence at URC with a bit of jealousy.
@lmarislmarislmaris4271
@lmarislmarislmaris4271 Ай бұрын
The English are failing, and see something (URC) they want so aim to take it.
@JJfromJ
@JJfromJ Ай бұрын
@@Quilty2 That sounds like a typical (s)limey agenda!!!
@JJfromJ
@JJfromJ Ай бұрын
@@lmarislmarislmaris4271 Yup, destroyed large part of their league and now aiming at invading (colonising?) other successfull ones. English leadership not doing well at World Rugby either.
@petermartin1772
@petermartin1772 Ай бұрын
As an Irish rugby fan I love the URC especially now that the saffers have joined. They play some incredible rugby and it has only helped our teams develop further. Why on earth would our union destroy what is becoming a gem of a league. If the Welsh become competitive again it will be amazing. Champions cup provides all the game time we need against English teams.
@GSOLID8
@GSOLID8 Ай бұрын
Let the Welsh leave and replace with a Portuguese, Georgian, Spanish and third scot bottom dwellers for a time (barely a difference to now) but sets ground work for expanded 6 nations. The European 9 weeks could be converted to Europe championship a bigger gain to all of rugby
@petermartin1772
@petermartin1772 Ай бұрын
​Certainly don't agree, sa teams are fantastic. Their supporters are rugby fanatics and there is 59 million of them!! Even when Welsh teams were doing well in pro 12 their support was abysmal and is non existent now. I would love the Welsh to embrace the URC they way us Irish have but don't think it will happen anytime soon. @HuwEvans.
@gerardfitzpatrick60
@gerardfitzpatrick60 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans.guessing you are 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 away you go 👌
@wot4922
@wot4922 Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans.We have no voting power at this time. Go ahead and do what you must. The name of the game in SA is survival. We survived during isolation and won the 1st Rugby World Cup we partook in so obviously we can go at it alone. We're not beggars but we do enjoy being a part off the URC. We are not being propped up by anyone.✌💚💛🇿🇦
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@wot4922 We're happy to have you. A few English are just bitter that their league is crap, and nobody in interested in their "idea" to waltz in and tell the URC what they should do. A real shocker, lol
@charliebannon5489
@charliebannon5489 Ай бұрын
Ireland and South Africa are the top two teams in the world. The URC is on fire with Irish and South African teams. Clubs from Wales, Scotland and Italy and their national teams stand to benefit playing with the best. The URC have a lot to lose by changing things
@ChristopherSephton
@ChristopherSephton Ай бұрын
Don't forget the Scotts mate. They are the reigning URC champs. 3 years, 3 countries, 3 clubs, 3 winners. Definition of a thriving comp...
@johncahalane7327
@johncahalane7327 Ай бұрын
​@@ChristopherSephtonYes as a Munster fan Scottish teams too can't be left out in this conversation, Italy I see a massive improvement in them ,they aren't getting hammered in Ireland or South Africa anymore either Wales have problems for years but they need to stay inside the URC too ...this story is blowing smoke and I'm totally opposed to this
@muhammad3351
@muhammad3351 Ай бұрын
As a rugby fan I'm grateful that the URC is so competitive. But eish, as a Stormers fan I am pissed that there's only 1 URC trophy in the cabinet
@Tellemore
@Tellemore Ай бұрын
I don’t think the URC will ever trust anything coming out of the Premiership clubs after the way they hijacked the Heineken Cup competition and forced the then-Pro12/14 teams into the Champions Cup - which they have subsequently ruined through incompetence and mismanagement. If the English Clubs want a merger it will only happen on URC terms. The Irish are not likely to dump the Italians or the South Africans and the English no longer have the clout to blackmail the Scots and Welsh. An Anglo-Welsh League might be popular in concept for the Welsh but the financials don’t make it as attractive a prospect as it was in the amateur era.
@johnpurcell7525
@johnpurcell7525 Ай бұрын
2 top Teams for how long Remember World Cup when No Hope England Came within a whisker}
@arofficial2455
@arofficial2455 Ай бұрын
Really cool to see so much Irish support for us Saffa’s staying in. I personally love the league, as a UK based Sharks fan it’s awesome, gives me the chance to support the boys overseas and experience away days at some truly fantastic places. I’d be gutted to get kicked out. Fingers crossed this doesn’t happen, I still need to head over to Ireland for a game!
@readesiun988
@readesiun988 Ай бұрын
From a Leinster fan, I do not believe this is ever going to happen, the URC have given their statement and it is quite clear, go F yourself England. There is no way the IRFU could sell this to the Irish, the URC is fantastic with South African involvement and its success speaks for itself.
@arofficial2455
@arofficial2455 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. I agree, it’s not up to us. I’ve read this in near enough every comment section Huw, not sure why you’ve felt the need to write it again as I wasn’t asking for clarification? Personally I don’t really care about the financial aspect of it, however, I hope they will understand there’s more to life than buying something for a quid and selling it for two. As rugby fans we want to see the best matches and the best players competing against each other, fans will happily pay money to see that, weakening the URC doesn’t really seem like a smart decision, weaker competition, poorer matches, less viewers, less money ultimately.
@ChristopherSephton
@ChristopherSephton Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans.Thanks for the copy and paste, lol. You're either a turkey bot or a lazy keyboard warrior who gets kicks from baiting genuine fans. Either way, kindly FO.
@spervuurproduksies
@spervuurproduksies Ай бұрын
@@arofficial2455 He hasn't read a single word of your reply, you can bank on that!
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
There is obviously a roughly 100% unanimous opinion in Ireland about this topic, as evidenced by the comments in this thread versus one bitter English troll trying to sow disinformation.
@ritchiebirnie6124
@ritchiebirnie6124 Ай бұрын
As a Glasgow fan I'd be gutted if Saffers left. They are the reason the URC is so good. Everybody else has had to raise their game
@nicolasmaligner8753
@nicolasmaligner8753 Ай бұрын
It's not true. Everybody was sending B teams to or from SA/Europe.
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
Then how did Glasgow win the league?
@victordastile5204
@victordastile5204 Ай бұрын
​@@nicolasmaligner8753lier...lier....your pants on🔥🔥🔥
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
Glasgow played amazing and fully deserved the championship this year. How good is it for the league that we have a team from a different nation winning three years in a row?
@andye5771
@andye5771 Ай бұрын
​@@KewKew-do3kq They won because they raised their game. Going to Loftus at altitude against a fabulous team and in front of sixty thousand passionate Bulls supporters and winning was an incredible achievement. It is because of how good the Bulls are that the sense of achievement is so massive. Now the challenge is for other teams to do the same and that drives standards up.
@rolandhallam26
@rolandhallam26 Ай бұрын
Love your work Tim, can't wait to see your Deon Fourie interview 👍👍🙌
@vinceroos
@vinceroos Ай бұрын
Is this happening?
@rolandhallam26
@rolandhallam26 Ай бұрын
@@vinceroos watch Tim's last video he posted called Chasing the Egg. There is a picture of him with Deon at the end of the video in Cape Town together. Absolutely can't wait for that interview, Deon is a freakin legend 👍
@ragenaldmoos8798
@ragenaldmoos8798 Ай бұрын
I think the expanded URC is currently growing to be one of the best leagues in world rugby. Itvis heart warming to see that rugby fans actually acknowledge the growth that it brought to all the Unions, both North and South of the equator. It created new rivalries between teams like Ireland, Scotland and the Springboks. Long may we enjoy the benefits of forward thinking when most said it would not work.
@fawltyoldboybasil.2178
@fawltyoldboybasil.2178 Ай бұрын
As far as I am concerned (if what Tim says is close to the truth), I would not want the IRFU to support ANY MEASURE that would lead to the expulsion/exclusion of South Africa. No exceptions.
@paddy91317
@paddy91317 Ай бұрын
The last time we let the English in they didn't leave for 800 years
@davidokeeffe3898
@davidokeeffe3898 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@bigbird6039
@bigbird6039 Ай бұрын
Are you not aware of the five nations when only England came to Dublin, when the other nations refused to. 1972 I believe.
@paddy91317
@paddy91317 Ай бұрын
@@bigbird6039 hey listen I will support England before I support Wales or Scotland for very similar reasons, England stood by Irish rugby during the troubles, where as our supposed Celtic brothers turned there backs on us in our recent world cup bid, My joke was based around Irish history of English empire building
@phandapanda9644
@phandapanda9644 Ай бұрын
😂🤣😂🤣😂....d.e.d
@seamus9750
@seamus9750 Ай бұрын
1232 views after 17 minutes...not too shabby Tim 😊
@kevindevane6175
@kevindevane6175 Ай бұрын
Any SA URC fans watching this take heart from Tim said about the IRFU and how it does business, we tend to look at the big picture and realise selling out our partners is not good for business or the game.
@christoduplessis8177
@christoduplessis8177 Ай бұрын
Hopefully you are correct, and the IRFU does seem to be great administrators of the game.
@ChristopherSephton
@ChristopherSephton Ай бұрын
Saffa here. Really appreciate the Irish fans' support🙏 There's a new "greatest rivalry" brewing!
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@ChristopherSephton The Irish feeling on this is basically unanimous, believe me. There is zero appetite for this nonsense, it's just some shit-stirring an English rag published because they are upset that their own league is crap.
@fawltyoldboybasil.2178
@fawltyoldboybasil.2178 Ай бұрын
@@Camcolito I say, Old Chap! Steady on - What! 😆
@eyeneffjay
@eyeneffjay Ай бұрын
Yeah IRFU only want to consider it if SA teams included
@davidpells4298
@davidpells4298 Ай бұрын
Number 1 ranked team .South Africa ..Nr 2 ranked team..Ireland ..and its debateable which is the better side ...No wonder others want part of the action 😅
@DM-rp9ik
@DM-rp9ik Ай бұрын
And we'd nearly have all the trophies in the world except for those Stade Toulouse lads nicking the CC and England denying us the Triple crown
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
As an Irish rugby fan I have zero interest in a "British and Irish league". English clubs can join the URC if they want, on the terms of the URC, as just another country. The URC is doing just fine thanks. And we are happy with the Saffas and Italians. This article strike me as the kind of supremely arrogant crap you'd expect from the Telegraph who thinks England still has colonies.
@seanofarrell8896
@seanofarrell8896 Ай бұрын
I find it as an Irish fan as England being jealous of the urc. Happy the way it is.
@bosvarkd8403
@bosvarkd8403 Ай бұрын
Bru could not have said it better ... they all broke anyway.. more saffas watch rugby on a Saturday than English..
@seanofarrell8896
@seanofarrell8896 Ай бұрын
@bosvarkd8403 I personally feel that with the way the Irish are big surports of itlay and SA, this would be rejected.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@seanofarrell8896 Screwing over another country for the benefit of the English would not be sellable to anyone in Ireland, safely say never going to happen in the format suggested.
@seanofarrell8896
@seanofarrell8896 Ай бұрын
@Camcolito true as well
@Shendersonsports3003
@Shendersonsports3003 Ай бұрын
As a Scottish Rugby fan, the last thing I want is a British & Irish league. The URC works because it spent 20+ years untying the kinks and knots that were holding the league back. If the top tier English clubs got involved, then you can guarantee that they'd completely ruin the balance of the league. (yes, I'm aware that the welsh clubs are a mess, that's their own problem)
@Shendersonsports3003
@Shendersonsports3003 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. The Welsh clubs are more than welcome to join the English leagues. They’re the only ones I see genuinely benefitting from this proposal
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. It's make sense for the English clubs because they are broke.
@kevinbermingham6186
@kevinbermingham6186 Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans.Just not clear enough to consider Italian rugby
@kevinbermingham6186
@kevinbermingham6186 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. Now in your arrogance your deciding what the french league should do aswell. The Welsh union missed a trick not giving you a job.
@liamascorcaigh2601
@liamascorcaigh2601 Ай бұрын
Is @HuwEvans an AI bot?
@daeganmartin2527
@daeganmartin2527 Ай бұрын
Tim you need to see the sharks Vs bulls semi final for the Currie cup, absolutely crazy game.
@seamus9750
@seamus9750 Ай бұрын
Lion's v Cheetahs wasn't too bad either....GO Lion's 😅
@bhejanenaturetraining1018
@bhejanenaturetraining1018 Ай бұрын
The Rugby God's are being to generous 😇
@johntaplin3126
@johntaplin3126 Ай бұрын
Agreed. The Sharks were true grid. But some terrible decision making by the Bulls - 15 v12 for much of the last 15 minutes of the game. So many wasted chances. Going to be absolutely torn for the final between the Lions and Sharks, both close in my DNA.
Ай бұрын
​@@johntaplin3126Bulls should have put the Sharks away. They threw it all away. Happy Sharky fan though.
@wot4922
@wot4922 Ай бұрын
Hope the Sharks have their heads in the game this year. Would love to see them dominate in the URC 🦈
@ashleybasson5664
@ashleybasson5664 Ай бұрын
Leaving out SA will be detrimental to such a league, as the NZ and Aussie fans, unions and pundits now acknowledge (after they kicked out SA teams out of Super Rugby).
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
No it wont 😂 they are too far away
@HeeniKeke
@HeeniKeke Ай бұрын
SA pulled 2 teams out of Super Rugby years before they finally all left. SA had always been eyeing up NH due to travel issues, time differences etc. But hey….go ahead as normal and blame NZ for absolutely everything. SA live constantly in a victim mentality….hence the whining even after they win
@maaifoediedelarey4335
@maaifoediedelarey4335 Ай бұрын
@@HeeniKeke B.s - NZ had plotted to push out SA out of Super Rugby for years, and finally did so during Covid when they got the chance. You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
@nawrik123
@nawrik123 Ай бұрын
​@HeeniKeke disagree...New Zealand made the decision to exclude South African teams during the pandemic without consulting SARU.
@wot4922
@wot4922 Ай бұрын
​@@HeeniKekeOMG. The last thing we have is a victim mentality. We are survivors. Always have been....Always will be. We make a plan. Please don't try to poison the respect the Boks and ABs have for each other. Not our fault you lost against us.🇿🇦
@ImpantGRX
@ImpantGRX Ай бұрын
To me this sounds like English tabloid media desperately looking to save their league and the clubs in it
@BaneofBalor
@BaneofBalor Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans. Stop copy pasting this response on every comment that disagrees with your opinion. The fact is that the URC is doing better with SA than it was before. That is undeniable. A British and Irish league might make sense, but why would the URC, and the Irish teams in particular, take that risk when they're doing just fine as is.
@BaneofBalor
@BaneofBalor Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. Thatsa big if. Logistically, it absolutely makes sense, I agree. But financially, nobody can know whether it'd be a good or bad thing. The fact of the matter is that the prem dug the hole they're in. It might not make sense for the celtic clubs to risk them making more bad decisions in a combined league.
@spervuurproduksies
@spervuurproduksies Ай бұрын
@@BaneofBalor Do not reply to the dork. He shows his disdain by serving you just another copy & paste.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@spervuurproduksies Why can't KZbin auto-ban copy/paste commenters? They seem to be very censorship happy on actual posts, but I often see people who can spam the same comment over and over.
@spervuurproduksies
@spervuurproduksies Ай бұрын
@@Camcolito As you said. On this video alone, I have already had about three of my comments disappearing. And I am very careful not to use the "naughty" words that YT frowns upon. It seems that mindless spamming is totally ok with YT, however.
@JackKinross
@JackKinross Ай бұрын
Yeeeeeesssss!!! Pleeeeeaaaasssse!!! Then SA teams can come back to Super, we need them please!! Lol. Not going to happen I know, just a dreaming Kiwi. Excellent video Tim, very interesting thinking on the issue.
@mrm1884
@mrm1884 Ай бұрын
Nah SA has enough player production and participation starting from school level. They can easily create their own rugby competition. This shouldn't bother them. They can easily create 12-16 teams with purely only SAn players. They only have to find a way to make it as competitive as it can get. And by 2031 RWC, it would be a superpower. The reason I'm saying this is because you can see it in the national team, no foreign born players as compared to all the teams
@Linda_D
@Linda_D Ай бұрын
Hi Tim, thank you for picking this apart so that I could understand. Glad to see you home after your visit to your 2nd home🇿🇦😁 I think it would be unfortunate to cut out our SA teams. I have personally seen some really low down comments directed at our rugby teams the last few days. As a SA rugby fan, we had one of the most amazing tournaments, the Super 12. That tournament was exciting, the best of the best got to hone their skills and be better players and stronger teams for it. Logistics and management politics ended that. My question is why wouldn’t you want to play your best against other teams best, it makes them stronger collectively and it exciting to watch? I think as a SA fan I am personally tired and fed up with the constant mud sling our way. My own individual opinion. Anyway great to see you and always worth listening to one of the few genuine people on here. Love from SA🇿🇦❤️
@tonymurphy9795
@tonymurphy9795 Ай бұрын
I agree with you 100% and would be outraged if SA were cut out. The over-riding issue for SA teams is the logistics both in terms of costs and human impact. I just hope that money doesn't end up as the decider once again.
@Linda_D
@Linda_D Ай бұрын
@@tonymurphy9795 logistics and money could be a factor but this time the story is coming from the English teams. Seem like they was SA out. It’s honestly just tiresome now. I understand that most rugby fans engage in some banter but what our team and fans have had thrown at us has become beyond banter. Are some fans from SA just as bad, yes! You get people like that everywhere. Unfortunately it’s pundits, fans and more and I really am just tired. I absolutely love this amazing game and admire players and teams from all over the world and have found a home here with Tim and a few others on YT. Thank goodness😊
@Linda_D
@Linda_D Ай бұрын
I agree with you 100% the arrogant fans are found world wide and nothing new. Unfortunately after we won the 2019 RWC, us as fans were not given a moment to just post about how we felt about our boys and their incredible achievement. It hasn’t stopped so we are over 8 years in with this crap. Luckily I found Tim at the beginning of the last RWC. Tim is amazing and his passion for this incredible game that we all love so much is refreshing. I love his unbiased breakdowns and I love that he has taken the time to find out why We know what they don’t. This statement is neither arrogant nor boastful and carries huge meaning for us South Africans. I’m now only subbed to similar channels and doing my best to ignore others.
@RhydderchApRheged-rh7sj
@RhydderchApRheged-rh7sj Ай бұрын
I’m a Wasps fan and if this goes through then I’m done with watching club rugby. When my club went under I was sickened to see the total lack of solidarity amongst English fans and in particular other clubs, the premiership and the RFU. Everybody claimed to be sad, but nobody actually did anything to help the club recover. The MOST we got was Coventry offering free tickets to Wasps season tickets holders. Seriously. That’s the extent of the support we got. From what Wasps have said, the RFU were beyond unhelpful and vague while Wasps were trying to satisfy Championship requirements. Now, they’re talking about a premiership URC merger (with presumably, no promotion or relegation) meaning that Wasps will never return. I believe 2/3rds of Wasps fans don’t watch rugby anymore. Everywhere we look we are shut out. It feels as though everybody has decided that I’m not allowed to be a rugby fan anymore, that we’re not wanted or part of the community. You’re absolutely right in your criticism of short term solutions, but this idea is the very definition of it. Cutting to 10 teams was a lazy effort to fix a problem that could’ve been avoided anyway. We NEED the Champions Cup. NEED it. Lose that, change every league structure on Earth, and what goes next? The six nations? The rugby championship? What’s even the point anymore? World Rugby needs a total reform. It needs more control over unions, and the unions need more control over the clubs, and ALL of it needs more fan ownership. Fans need to be able to step in and say “NO.”
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
Even being from Ireland I was sad to see Wasps go bust. For me they are an iconic team.
@AD-zcvnt
@AD-zcvnt Ай бұрын
Same here as an Irish fan. Well said. The fan is & should be king!
@johankotze1622
@johankotze1622 Ай бұрын
No chance WR ( Which is run by the NH) will get more control over other unions, you shaft RSA every chance you get and it still does not give you a WC.Jog on lad the game is better than ever in RSA and dying in ENG.
@vivb5180
@vivb5180 Ай бұрын
@@johankotze1622 I feel embarrassed to see that you are a South African who supports the Boks. I agree that WR is rotten and should not have any further control over rugby unions, but there's a decent and gracious way to say it. Humility is obviously not in your vocabulary. And how strong do you think our rugby will be when we play only against ourselves and the Super 14 teams who are currently so strong... NOT? One of the many reasons for our rise is because we're participating with more varied teams up north. Nobody likes an arrogant, smug 'fan'. Sies! To folks in the NH, please excuse comments that do not represent the thoughts of the majority of SA rugby fans and the arrogant manner in which they are worded.
@Camerooonify
@Camerooonify Ай бұрын
I'm with you. I've just stopped watching club rugby and it's sad. But I just can't bring myself to support anyone else. And seeing the carcass of our talent picked apart and played in all different teams is just painful to watch. RFU are just stupid. How can you let 3 clubs worth of fans just vanish at the same time as giving up nearly 30% of revenue.
@wiskers69
@wiskers69 Ай бұрын
Fantastic analysis Tim, as always. Thanks so much. I'll be livid if the boks get shafted. I hope my union, the IRFU, does the right thing.
@brettfleiner4906
@brettfleiner4906 Ай бұрын
The English media is one of the most toxic parts of Rugby Union and certainly contributes to the lack of growth of the game. The Premiership lost some clubs due to financial mismanagement and now want to dip their fingers into a pie (the URC) that is actually working. I think most would welcome the Premiership teams into the URC, as long as it comes without any detriment to the current URC teams.
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
Sa is too far away they need to go for global warming
@wot4922
@wot4922 Ай бұрын
​@@KewKew-do3kqhuh.
@brettfleiner4906
@brettfleiner4906 Ай бұрын
@HuwEvans. Yup, you are.
@brettfleiner4906
@brettfleiner4906 Ай бұрын
@@KewKew-do3kq Was that an attempt at humor?
@murrad23
@murrad23 Ай бұрын
THIS
@MattConnolly-wi8oh
@MattConnolly-wi8oh Ай бұрын
Not a hope and zero interest from an Leinster supporter. URC is starting to really take off. The arrogance of English rugby or whomever wrote the piece to think we'd be lucky to have the English clubs who are drowning due to yrs of poor management and debt. Pointless discussion.
@FR-je9bw
@FR-je9bw Ай бұрын
What about the environment?
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
Global warming you cannot fly around the world for a game
@LFire12
@LFire12 Ай бұрын
Absolutely!!
@eamonlyons8069
@eamonlyons8069 Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans.What money? The RFU are in debt, they are making cuts and have sold out their naming rights. The RFU would have to accept a zero power arrangement in perpetuity for the URC teams to negotiate. We have all the negotiating power.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@eamonlyons8069 He thinks it's the 19th century and the English are still stealing wealth from the colonies.
@Fighting_Irish184
@Fighting_Irish184 Ай бұрын
In the professional era, Ireland has followed the Southern Hemisphere model. Our role models have been New Zealand and South Africa. Our URC teams feed into the national team. Now, playing against South African teams and experiencing the climate, culture and style of rugby is so suitable for fans and players alike. I would choose SA and Italian clubs over English teams any day. This is just old school tie English arrogant Torygraph drivel. You best ignore it.
@Epicsportfix
@Epicsportfix Ай бұрын
As a saffa I thank you gguys Ireland for the support
@BruceMacgregorCampbell
@BruceMacgregorCampbell Ай бұрын
Copied statement from the BKT URC webpage: "Contrary to media reports the BKT United Rugby Championship is not engaged in discussions regarding a British & Irish league. Since the introduction of the four South African teams in 2021, the league has enjoyed a sustained period of outstanding success achieving record audiences, attendances, social media growth and new levels of competitiveness. This is due in great part to the efforts of all 16 teams across Ireland, Italy, Scotland, South Africa and Wales which has elevated the league to new heights. The BKT United Rugby Championship is committed to continuing this pace of growth ahead of the new season and far into the future".
@Wolf-hh4rv
@Wolf-hh4rv Ай бұрын
Thanks to the Irish it looks like we not gonna get booted again. Thank you Ireland 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
@fleshen
@fleshen Ай бұрын
An English paper assuming the English clubs can dictate what they want to happen will happen is such a typical English press thing!
@okkertgreyvenstein5765
@okkertgreyvenstein5765 Ай бұрын
As a bulls fan i was excited when it was announced that we have joined the URC, and i watch every bulls game and also the other games too because i just love this league, and i dont want RFU to kick us out. I remember the first game away to Leinster we lost 31-8 then came the semi final at RDS and we clinched that game going to the final. This is the best comp. I have been hearing ALL Black legends saying that super rugby isnt the same that sa teams left, so yes we do at value to the game. dont change a working plan.
@okkertgreyvenstein5765
@okkertgreyvenstein5765 Ай бұрын
And the bulls is the only sa team that have beaten a full strength leinster team twice, so it speaks volumes.
@creekyknee
@creekyknee Ай бұрын
@@okkertgreyvenstein5765 Leinster is the best club Rugby team in the World.
@101MIGHTYJOE
@101MIGHTYJOE Ай бұрын
As a munster and irish fan there is no way the irish provinces would join a league with the english teams as we saw their true colours when the english and french clubs decided to destroy the Heineken cup for short term financial gain. The english club owners cannot be trusted as they are too short sighted and will make bad financial decisions that will scupper their future. Iv had great memories of travelling to bath, Leicester, quins, etc the fans are great craic and very welcoming and getting to play them in europe each year is enough. If any teams from the urc are going to join an english league it would have to be the welsh as their fans have no interest in the urcand the commute would be very short
@bernieob9577
@bernieob9577 Ай бұрын
As an Irish fan, I am happy with the URC as it is .leaving SA out would terrible.
@basildavidson4597
@basildavidson4597 Ай бұрын
Well done Tim, you have certainly stirred up an interesting debate. There are a lot of problems in world rugby that need to be addressed and discussed openly if we are going to reach solutions that are beneficial to all of us.
@chrismouton1985
@chrismouton1985 Ай бұрын
I'll be bloody livid if they do this. The URC is extremely popular. Just look at the numbers. There's a reason for that.
@alecltheunissen9088
@alecltheunissen9088 Ай бұрын
As a Bulls fan living in the UK it give me an opportunity to watch them in Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Please leave the URC as it is. It is helping all 5 nations participating, English Premiership is in a mess and we are not going to bow down to the English at all. May the URC go from strength to strength.
@taintabird23
@taintabird23 Ай бұрын
I'm Irish, and I share your sentiments.
@corcaigh
@corcaigh Ай бұрын
It's in the Telegraph so we know it's not true. The URC with SA and Italy is brilliant so why would we change . As a Munster fan, happy to have English clubs join the URC but not the other way around as normally you jump off a sinking ship and not on to it.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
"It's in the Telegraph so we know it's not true" Lol, so on point. It's Daily Mail level.
@vivb5180
@vivb5180 Ай бұрын
Wonderful sense of humour... 'normally you jump off a sinking ship and not on to it' !!! Pure gold!! 🤣👌
@Temp-z4u
@Temp-z4u Ай бұрын
Beaut to see support from Ireland ... SA fans take note .. rivalry must ALWAYS be on the respect side ... Irish have proved more than worthy opponents and. . dare i say it .. improved our standards !!
@fohunter12345
@fohunter12345 Ай бұрын
I think the Curry Cup in South Africa would get resurrected and become our homegrown league. Theres enough talent in SA to fill our own league anyway. Maybe its for the best. I'd miss the Irish and Scottish and Welsh rivalries that are developing but if we're not wanted then why stick around?
@tonymolloy6165
@tonymolloy6165 Ай бұрын
@@fohunter12345 Who said ye're not wanted. Going by the comments here I definitely don't see that. The IRFU would have a mutiny on their hands if they decided to ditch the SA clubs and the Italian ones for the English. There's an old irish saying "the english never learn and the irish never forget"
@paddyharte1888
@paddyharte1888 Ай бұрын
As an Irishman I'd much rather play the Saffa clubs than the English,the URC is getting stronger each season,no need to mess with a winning formula
@MarkT.BrownMD
@MarkT.BrownMD Ай бұрын
One way to make it work would be to have it modelled on French League with divisions. That could accommodate best teams from the countries in a Premier League , but not sure the English would be happy if for example Gloucester was in a first division with Cheetahs, Lions, Connaught and Benetton . As a Stormers fan I’m loving the URC . Agree with you Tim regarding Champions Cup is on its way out .
@9502937
@9502937 Ай бұрын
Would be good for the English clubs but terrible for everybody else.
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
Long term its better if you want to compete with top 14 money
@SpunkRod
@SpunkRod Ай бұрын
Ireland and SA both share a notoriously negative sentiment towards english overlords. The thing that unites us is our fight against the english, cant see true blood irish supporting this arrogant offer from the english😂
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
Actually that was so funny, all the vitriol between the SA and Ireland fans, and as soon as someone mentions England wanting to butt in suddenly it's blood brother time, lol.
@tjobrien8436
@tjobrien8436 Ай бұрын
You're spot on there. No way us irish want to lose our springbok pals. 🇮🇪 🏉 🇿🇦
@winterishere9828
@winterishere9828 Ай бұрын
The RFU supported Ireland to host World Cup 2019 when the SRU and WRU did not. Also remember 1973. I take no pleasure in the English game's current problems. If we can help out then we should but it definitely should not be to the detriment of the South Africans or the Italians.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@winterishere9828 Of course, they can apply to join the URC if they want. But expecting to walk in and start rearranging the competition to suit themselves is so stereotypical.
@SpunkRod
@SpunkRod Ай бұрын
​@@Camcolitojust have a little trip down memory lane in the manner in which the english colonised Ireland and South Africa, the trauma is written in our DNA. The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
@Sharkman1963
@Sharkman1963 Ай бұрын
Was fun hearing a snippet of your commentary at time 22:05 in Episode 1 of Chasing the Sun 2!
@rynojacobs3493
@rynojacobs3493 Ай бұрын
The Irish and South africans are currently 1 & 2 in the world. A big part of that is due to the fierce competition in the URC. Give it another year or two and every club in Europe will want a piece of the action. To be the best, you have to beat the best
@ChristopherSephton
@ChristopherSephton Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans. Do the French want to win anything global?
@karatekid-nq6ct
@karatekid-nq6ct Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans.Lul you comment everywhere with this smugness, I bet the team you support haven't won a world cup in decades or ever. Have fun telling yourself you're better in the mirror. Ireland and SA will help make the URC the dominant league in the world. Nobody has as much international registered players as SA so it's gonna keep the league exciting and growing.
@fohunter12345
@fohunter12345 Ай бұрын
Agree 100%. Steel sharpens steel.
@creekyknee
@creekyknee Ай бұрын
The URC is the best Club Rugby Championship in the World.
@Samizouza
@Samizouza Ай бұрын
Almost like having the Europe Super Cup (for the likes of 🇬🇪🇵🇹🇪🇸🇷🇴 playing in the REC) joining in via Champions Cup but very interesting idea though.
@jackyboiogc
@jackyboiogc Ай бұрын
As an English supporter I don't really want a B&I league but I'd love a route into the URC. I'm sure it won't ever happen but what I think could work: 2 divisions of 13, URC Premiership and URC 2. URC Prem = top 8 of current URC, top 4 of premiership, 9th in URC vs 5th in Prem for last place. The rest move into URC 2. There will be some teams that draw the short straw and go into URC 2 but it adds importance to finishing position in the final season of the current format. Get proper relegation/promotion back. Bottom 2 go down, top 2 come up. 11th (URC Prem) vs 3rd (URC 2) in a playoff for who takes place in URC Prem. Playoffs maybe reduce from 8 to 6. Financially I'd hope there would be enough TV money to go round and you get good, contested matchups, less games than current URC but more than current Prem. I'd suggest a midseason cup across both divisions during six nations, probably just a chance to give youngsters a go. I think eventually it would need options for teams to be promoted to URC 2 (from championship etc)
@gezzarandom
@gezzarandom Ай бұрын
Regarding South Africa, travelling has always been an issue no matter what league their clubs play in. If you look at the travel times, it’s actually takes longer to travel to New Zealand and Australia from South Africa than it does to Europe. The Welsh clubs seem to think leaving the URC and joining the Premiership will solve their problems but the reality is their problems will just follow them there. I really hope the Champions Cup stays, it’s always fascinating to see the clubs from different leagues competing against each other, and getting stronger as a result. But I agree with you it needs to go back to its old system.
@davidchambers331
@davidchambers331 Ай бұрын
If this abomination went through as is I would be disgusted.The Saffas inclusion have been nothing but beneficial to us all. The Italians are improving year on year and the Scot’s have been a joy to watch. I will hate it when the Stomers eventually beat my beautiful Munster. But I will be enraged if they are never given the chance because of a quick cash grab.
@Gilescowdemdem
@Gilescowdemdem Ай бұрын
The thing that struck me is the arrogance of the English clubs to be like "Yeh we'll take some of you but not the Italians and south Africans" when you can't deny the success the URC has had since the SA teams got involved. The quality has skyrocketed, viewership and attendance has broken records, what possible incentive would Ireland, Scotland and Wales have to leave that.
@thelbh
@thelbh Ай бұрын
They owe CVC hundreds of millions of pounds. How’s that for motivation? The largest shareholder in the URC, Premiership Rugby and Six Nations is CVC Capital. Let that sink in
@daithipol
@daithipol Ай бұрын
The Welsh think it's a great idea. But I do not trust the English clubs. They single handedly bollixed the H Cup
@barrygormley
@barrygormley Ай бұрын
The biggest surprise for me out of all these articles is how much more the URC TV deal is than the premiership. Quite the turn around from a few years ago.
@boardingbear526
@boardingbear526 Ай бұрын
100%. And why is that? Ask Tim about his viewership stats and one will get a sense of the value of SA TV eyeballs. URC would be insane to tie up.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@boardingbear526 I suspect it's just The Telegraph talking utter shite as per usual.
@somenamethatdoesntmatter
@somenamethatdoesntmatter Ай бұрын
Its almost like the combined might of 5 countries is just about worth more than 1.
@daviddempster8717
@daviddempster8717 Ай бұрын
Storm in a tea cup Tim 🇿🇦. All about the money. That said, the demise of any comps / clubs by extension is not good for our sport.
@johncahalane7327
@johncahalane7327 Ай бұрын
Your average Irish Rugby fan Tim wants, zero,nothing to do with The Telegraph story, The Premiership is a busted flush ,the URC with South Africa and Italy is our only way, The English Premiership has three bankrupt teams, Worcester, London Irish and Wasps are gone, we don't want the same to happen to Connacht or Ulster, and Lions and Sharks ...URC is fine just how it is I want South Africa, Scotland, Wales, Italy and Ireland. South African teams is why the URC is in success and the rivalry between the Irish, Scottish and South African ,but Wales is different situation. The Irish and Saffas are one and two in the world the URC is where its at ...
@MaggieGraham-zi1lt
@MaggieGraham-zi1lt Ай бұрын
Oh Tim...we miss you...watched all your SA videos. So glad my favorite guys "Keo & Zels" hosted you. Love you guys...from a rugby fan since "high school days back in the 70's.👀
@frontierlandfrank5314
@frontierlandfrank5314 Ай бұрын
Premiership is dying for something. But the other unions aren’t dumb enough to drop the safas. Also, why would the Irish clubs join when they’re in the better situation? English Union acts like the premiership is something special. That’s no longer the case.
@GBH001
@GBH001 Ай бұрын
As always the answer is money
@frontierlandfrank5314
@frontierlandfrank5314 Ай бұрын
@@GBH001 for sure. But the premiership isn’t exactly flush with cash. Why go there, when the URC is getting bigger (monetarily) year over year.
@somenamethatdoesntmatter
@somenamethatdoesntmatter Ай бұрын
Maybe the urc could add the mlr, it will be technically bigger. 😂 wonky ass league, i would rather we join the prod2 than the fucking mushroom cup.
@frontierlandfrank5314
@frontierlandfrank5314 Ай бұрын
@@somenamethatdoesntmatter idk if you’re American or not. But the MLR is not even close to the level of URC. Zebra would go undefeated against every mlr team. IMO 😂
@RickySchenk-q9b
@RickySchenk-q9b Ай бұрын
Major League Rugby needs to join South Africa and Argentina in an expanded version, you could include various teams! South Africans want this as does Argentina and we’ve been calling for it for decades now… South Africa has many teams seeking games like the Cheetahs, Kings and Pumas. Argentina just beat NZ and Aus and would also love to grow their franchises and club scene, I don’t know why Americans are sleeping on it as Canada would be a viable fit with at least 2 teams
@seamus9750
@seamus9750 Ай бұрын
Exclude South Africa from any competition at your peril !!!
@laoch5658
@laoch5658 Ай бұрын
SA add nothing to the URC
@west1329
@west1329 Ай бұрын
@@laoch5658 Just look at how weak Nz and Oz have become without us. We are definitely not the make or break of the URC, but we do bring alot of quality. Just look at our local currie cup going on at the moment. Sa is going to do really good this URC , just watch. Facts and your feelings are a huge difference mate
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
They are to far away. And they still support nz over European teams who saved them by letting rhem come to Europe. They are disloyal and screwed Argentina
@dallorto194
@dallorto194 Ай бұрын
​@laoch5658 Ireland were the closest they've ever been to getting past the quarter finals this past world cup and it's probably due to the fact they improved because of the exposure to decent SA teams. Maybe with another 4 years of exposure to the SA teams they'll only lose by 2 points in the quarters next wc;)
@conchronic
@conchronic Ай бұрын
​@@laoch5658that's nonsense one would think you are deliberately provocative 😜 SA clearly a positive addition
@AntonAlberts-k6d
@AntonAlberts-k6d Ай бұрын
Hey Tim was great having you in the Republic See you soon
@barrygormley
@barrygormley Ай бұрын
The reason the champions cup is in decline isn't because epcr is tinkering. It's the fact that they exist at all. The competition you remember as the greatest club rugby comp in the world was destroyed by greed and hubris.
@eamonlyons8069
@eamonlyons8069 Ай бұрын
And exclusive behaviour. It's becoming a superleague in Europe but only for the Anglo French who crammed as many teams as they could into Europe. Top 4 from each league is ideal, then two from Georgia and Portugal and two from Spain and Romania to bring it to 20. 1 from Germany, Netherlands, and the previous years cup winners are guaranteed a spot as well. If they are qualified then give it to that (winners) league.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito Ай бұрын
@@eamonlyons8069 Yeah there are too many teams and too many dead rubber games. The later stages of the Champions Cup always has the highest level rugby however, up there with test match quality teams and beyond in some cases. Like Toulouse I would argue are better than France.
@seanofarrell8896
@seanofarrell8896 Ай бұрын
I'll rather see the Irish teams playing SA than England. The irfu said if all countries were involved, they would be interested. So the Irish surport itlay and SA and Welsh surport itlay and Scotland surport itlay. Plus, urc denied this
@somenamethatdoesntmatter
@somenamethatdoesntmatter Ай бұрын
So charitable.
@johnsmithwinkwink1704
@johnsmithwinkwink1704 Ай бұрын
Poms are just pissed off that the URC is doing exceptionally well WITHOUT the POMS now they want in. I say piss off, join the URC with their terms or back off.
@johncahalane7327
@johncahalane7327 Ай бұрын
There's also one more thing flying under the radar is the improvement in Italy and Scotland both at international level too Beniton had a really successful season last year which trickled into the six nations remember the only time Italian teams and players can test themselves against Saffas is in the URC ... English Rugby has seen an exit of coaches from England to Ireland and South Africa in particular and to France too survival is the game inside the English RFU and yes Borthwick has issues inside the camp too no one wants to stay, could this be the kite flying reason for this story.
@PlayerOne-1UP
@PlayerOne-1UP Ай бұрын
I would argue that South Africa and Ireland playing in the same club competition made both international sides better. South Africa learned how Northern hemisphere teams play and how to counter it, and Ireland got used to the physical playing style of the Southern hemisphere. Removing South Africa from the league will see a decline in both nation's international Rugby performance. South Africa would basically just have themselves to play against and Ireland would go back to just playing Northern hemisphere sides. The URC bringing the 2 hemispheres together in one competition, created 2 super international teams that is on a path of dominating world Rugby. Teams like the All Blacks and England is starting to realise this. The English is actually trying to put a stop to it and the ABs are strarting to regret kicking SA out of Super Rugby.
@alanrussell7337
@alanrussell7337 Ай бұрын
You are right regarding the European Cup, it's not what it was. It only gets interesting at the knockout stage. It was always the pinnacle for Leinster but to be honest I really want us to win the URC now. I cannot see the IRFU having a working relationship with the English Club owners so I really hope this goes nowhere. I love playing the SA teams and just wish Leinster would send our first team to the Republic more often.
@paulmalan6932
@paulmalan6932 Ай бұрын
As a South African, this would be devastating. The URC is by far the best champions in the world. Look what is happening with Australian and New Zeland rugby. A great partnership was broken, and rugby down under is in decline. The URC is an amazing breeding ground for world rugby!
@Clarkgravel
@Clarkgravel Ай бұрын
With the greatest respect Tim, and I‘m a big fan of the channel, it only gives you guys something to talk about. This‘ll go the same way as the football European Super League.
@patrickchilds2987
@patrickchilds2987 Ай бұрын
Good point
@oliverkirsten9208
@oliverkirsten9208 Ай бұрын
Joining the URC has been absolutely fantastic for South African rugby and the thought of our teams and the Italian clubs being possibly cast aside for the financial gain of a new league does not bear thinking about. It would go against all the principles that we like to attribute to rugby and what draws us to the game, like kinship, brotherhood, honour, camaraderie. It would just break my heart.
@truecalling61
@truecalling61 Ай бұрын
Kevin Potts of the IIRFU has said that they won’t consider any new competition that doesn’t include ALL. current partners in the URC. The premiership know they need the Irish teams and fans to make more money. South Africa won’t be ditched by Ireland..
@CrazyMonkey679
@CrazyMonkey679 Ай бұрын
IRFU won’t let that happen
@brianodriscoll2725
@brianodriscoll2725 Ай бұрын
The whole appeal of the European champions cup is that you play teams you don’t regularly play like Toulouse , Exeter , sarries , bath , La Rochelle etc. As a fan of a urc team, I think It would remove the fun of the European cup.
@kevindevane6175
@kevindevane6175 Ай бұрын
I'm going to stop you right there. As it stands the Irish clubs are equal shareholders of an extremely competitive league growing year on year, why in the name of all that is holy would we leave just to play second fiddle to the English clubs?????
@spervuurproduksies
@spervuurproduksies Ай бұрын
Because of /cough/ history. You know?
@x-latetv-x6816
@x-latetv-x6816 Ай бұрын
Its the south african teams that make the urc, them joining was the best thing ever
@laoch5658
@laoch5658 Ай бұрын
not true at all, we enjoyed it way before you joined..would rather you left
@x-latetv-x6816
@x-latetv-x6816 Ай бұрын
@@laoch5658 im a paddy, the south african teams make it way better
@jamestaylor4471
@jamestaylor4471 Ай бұрын
Pro 12 and 14 was a joke
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
Not they didnt 😂😂😂
@x-latetv-x6816
@x-latetv-x6816 Ай бұрын
@@KewKew-do3kq not they did😁
@edwardharris2388
@edwardharris2388 Ай бұрын
My honest opinion is that nobody with power and authority in the UK is capable of making good, well-reasoned, long-term decisions. That's why we see the premiership going down the shitter, it's also why every other aspect of living and working in this country has become 100x worse in the last 10 years. I WISH that the RFU could have an "oh shit" moment like the IRFU did, and come up with a plan to actually improve things long term but I actually don't think it's possible.
@Wolf-hh4rv
@Wolf-hh4rv Ай бұрын
The English union like World Rugby just a bunch of fat old men with no interest in thinking outside the box.
@struesbob7493
@struesbob7493 Ай бұрын
URC is just now getting going! We not going back to Super Rugby!
@cathalkiernanhughes8093
@cathalkiernanhughes8093 Ай бұрын
I do think that something thay has really really helped the urc in Ireland anyway is that all of the matches involving irish teams are free to air.
@savagej2
@savagej2 Ай бұрын
Tim. Are you heading over to Dublin to Croke Park for Leinster v Munster in October?
@mthunziphakathi4215
@mthunziphakathi4215 Ай бұрын
Currie Cup semifinal between Bulls snd Sharks was bonkers.
@JJ82IOE
@JJ82IOE Ай бұрын
As an Irishman, I think short-term we will probably lose a lot, but I'm all for helping you out. Just a shame we're not playing the fxcking safas more often.
@mjribes
@mjribes Ай бұрын
This is definitely an English proposal because I don't see how this benefits Ireland. And it definitely doesn't benefit SA or Italy. The English clubs must be in bad shape
@AbeHopwood
@AbeHopwood Ай бұрын
Benefits ireland because they get to play better teams, rather than just the shit welsh and Italian teams, the mediocre south African teams who sometimes have a good game, and the really good Glasgow warriors. A lot of people have been saying, "we dont mind if england join the urc, we just dont want to merge with them". I really don't want england to join the urc because they'd just win it every year.
@mjribes
@mjribes Ай бұрын
@AbeHopwood What happened to Super Rugby is a cautionary tale. Expansion killed Super 12 - which was the best club competition on the planet. And the Kiwis kicking the Saffers out of Super Rugby is a cautionary tale too. Look what that has done to the standard of players coming up through the ranks there. The standard of rugby in England is below par. The South African teams have been in every URC final so far, so they have more than the odd good game. The proposal will hurt Irish rugby and the Irish administrators aren't stupid. That's why this proposal will never fly.
@phenomenalone1737
@phenomenalone1737 Ай бұрын
​@@AbeHopwood LMAO bait used to be believable
@somenamethatdoesntmatter
@somenamethatdoesntmatter Ай бұрын
Its literally an english proposal. Well done on reading comprehension.
@mjribes
@mjribes Ай бұрын
@@somenamethatdoesntmatter The media didn't report it like that. Well done on being a nob.
@LeMerch
@LeMerch Ай бұрын
Not a snowballs hope in hell do I want to lose the Saffas and Italians.. what the feck is this even about!? Saffas have added a dimension of incredible depth to the richness of URC. The fans, the new rivalries, the teams at the top.. just all of it. Saffas have added something that English clubs just can’t. Sorry England. Gonna have to go with sticking with our Saffas brothers on this one. Not cuz I’m Irish, just cuz Saffas are that good. Altho I wouldn’t be against English clubs joining the URC under the same system and name.
@creekyknee
@creekyknee Ай бұрын
English losers.
@johnmurray2995
@johnmurray2995 Ай бұрын
Irish rugby has a very well-developed pyramid organization in which the provinces are wholly-owned subsidiaries of the IRFU. It has worked very well. The only issue for Ireland in the professional era is getting the provinces enough quality games in a domestic competition. The inclusion of the SA teams definitively solves that issue plus the Scots and Italians have got their acts together. Why on earth would the IRFU be the slightest bit interested in this proposal? I could see some interest from the Welsh, as they love Anglo-Welsh rivalry in matches, but that's it at most.
@TomKennedy-t3l
@TomKennedy-t3l Ай бұрын
To be honest, I still remember how the English clubs screwed up the old Heineken Cup for their own financial benefit. They are completely untrustworthy. Happy with the URC in its current format.
@dam0ryan
@dam0ryan Ай бұрын
Mark McCafferty caused all of this. He is the one responsible for the decline for the English Premiership and the old Heineken cup. And let's face it, we all want the Heineken cup back.
@marksimpson289
@marksimpson289 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the detailed explanation Tim.
@rosscooper7778
@rosscooper7778 Ай бұрын
As a Leinster fan, no thanks no interest in a British and Irish league . The URC is great, the only thing wrong with the champions cup is there are too many spots for the English teams.
@davidpells4298
@davidpells4298 Ай бұрын
Cheers Tim ..glad you enjoyed your stay in my confused country 😅...It's quite a jol ....But aside ..Another rather famous South African...goes by the name of Elon Musk recently commented on Boeing's woes saying that planes shud be designed and built by engineers , not by spreadsheets in an accountants office ..loosely quoting but it's relevant ....Rugby can't be this thingy running out of control downhill tripping on its own feet pursuing cash ..You ...Me ...we ...have to push back now and defend Rugby's greatest asset ...It's values between people .....cheers
@kevindevane6175
@kevindevane6175 Ай бұрын
Just to let you know Gang this story is getting zero traction in Ireland, I think the IRFU were watching for the reactions online and got a very clear message.
@truecalling61
@truecalling61 Ай бұрын
Kevin Potts of the IRFU said A YEAR AGO that any new competition would have to include our current partners. The IRFU didn’t need fans too help them see this is the right thing to do.
@thembamadi
@thembamadi Ай бұрын
Great video Tim. Its been an eye opening one , that's for sure. The SA teams should be very concerned. But I believe that the rest of the URC teams will themselves begin to take stock of the SA and Italy involvement and particularly the SA sides. The level and quality of rugby played has grown. The teams are stronger and the learning of quality squad depth has come through to all the URC teams, making them more competitive overall in the Champions Cup. The ability to develop own jurisdictional talent and have these potential future international players from their squads engage with SA teams, will always be the greatest side and long term benefit of the URC that includes South Africa. The Irish, Italian, Scottish and Welsh national teams will all be so much stronger come RWC 2027 because of the regular SA involvement. Because of that, I think sense will prevail and this issue (being pushed heavily by the British media) will finally be laid to perpetual rest. The Premiership may seek inclusion of their 6 top teams plus the 4 Irish teams plus the 4 SA Teams in a new league. Cutting Italy, Scotland and Wales in the process. I fear that may be the real outcome that they want to solve long term finance as well as upgrade of the quality of play.
@victordastile5204
@victordastile5204 Ай бұрын
No thank you, the poms can go look for partnership somewhere else. URC is fine as it is👍
@gregoryshields2157
@gregoryshields2157 Ай бұрын
At this rate I'd just like Tim running all the leagues haha
@kevindevane6175
@kevindevane6175 Ай бұрын
Thers an idea for a great documentary Tim, from the Celtic leauge to the URC, The little League that could!
@AndrewAW-w2l
@AndrewAW-w2l Ай бұрын
Why now- because they’ve seen the success - which is down to the SA teams participating. Swapping England for SA will not enhance the product- it will ruin it
@mrm1884
@mrm1884 Ай бұрын
SA has enough player production and participation starting from school level. They can easily create their own rugby competition. This shouldn't bother them. They can easily create 12-16 teams with purely only SAn players. They only have to find a way to make it as competitive as it can get. And by 2031 RWC, it would be a superpower. The reason I'm saying this is because you can see it in the national team, no foreign born players as compared to all the teams
@AndrewAW-w2l
@AndrewAW-w2l Ай бұрын
⁠not really, apartheids isolation took its toll- see Keith Andrew’s interview on a front row rugby pod for confirmation of that. SA fans are getting a serious dose of hubris(I’m a Bok supporter)While it is true there are a lot of players like all commodities there is a point of diminishing return - too many average players are professional in SA - Loepards, Griquas players are same level of the amateur league 1 players in Ireland. The top two schools in Leinster are at the level of the top two schools in SA - based here have first hand experience of the school, club and provincial pathways. Isolation of any nation would be detrimental- NZ relying largely on domestic competition is starting to show evidence of same.
@corriedebeer799
@corriedebeer799 Ай бұрын
I think a better solution would be to let the Welsh go to a league with the English and have the URC add a Portuguese, Spanish, and a Goergian side to the URC. That would be good for World Rugby as well. They actually had the Catalan Dragons playing actual league games at the Camp Nou. Can you imagine a Spanish rugby team playing there?
@patrickchilds2987
@patrickchilds2987 Ай бұрын
I agree , I think it's far more likely than Engish clubs in URC
@waynej3912
@waynej3912 Ай бұрын
Saffa living is Australia here, URC is getting traction here would be a shame for it to end. My view has potential to be the best rugby league in the world, much better viewing then super rugby.
@kevinbermingham6186
@kevinbermingham6186 Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans.Its not as clever a point as you think regardless of how many time you copy and paste it
@ChristopherSephton
@ChristopherSephton Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans. Having read all the comments, you're either an AI bot missing the code that calls for variation, or a misguided pseudo fan with a penchant for copying and pasting the same comment...
@alexiachamberlin8019
@alexiachamberlin8019 Ай бұрын
​@@ChristopherSephton amen
@ashlingovender4034
@ashlingovender4034 Ай бұрын
​@HuwEvans.Gee Wiz you are like a propaganda machine for the RFU. Copying and pasting comments everywhere you go...
@ashlingovender4034
@ashlingovender4034 Ай бұрын
​@@kevinbermingham6186haha love this response😂
@ardakolimsky7107
@ardakolimsky7107 Ай бұрын
Can't see it happening. Incredible financial mismanagement in the English game has brought us to this point. Why would everyone else voluntarily destroy what is the second best (on track for being the best if the last 3 years is anything to go by) league in world rugby? I'm an England fan, but the arrogance of the Premiership is breathtaking
@GBH001
@GBH001 Ай бұрын
Saffas can join the Italian league 😂 in all seriousness, I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to push out SA rugby from anything. The potential for rugby is enormous for SA now and in the future
@laoch5658
@laoch5658 Ай бұрын
URC was fine with SA teams they should be kicked out
@willydebeer2350
@willydebeer2350 Ай бұрын
Sour much?​@@laoch5658
@danfinn3132
@danfinn3132 Ай бұрын
​@@laoch5658what's you problem, man? What's with the Saffa hate?
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
They are too far away its too much flying
@GhostBra333
@GhostBra333 Ай бұрын
​@@laoch5658but it wasn't as good as and building as it is now, so don't fool yourself with the just simple hatred of SA. I like it because this is building all team around and making all teams more competitive. NH teams experiencing heat in summer and SA teams experiencing the cold NH conditions. Its still growing but i can see how the Champions Cup need to evolve
@btcdunks8476
@btcdunks8476 Ай бұрын
The sad part about this type of situation is always the least powerful countries like Georgia, Italy, Argentina etc, that are always left behind after all the effort they put in. It is quite hypocritical from England sadly.
@KewKew-do3kq
@KewKew-do3kq Ай бұрын
Yes SA screwed Argentina with the nz tour
@somenamethatdoesntmatter
@somenamethatdoesntmatter Ай бұрын
England teams consider their potential options.. the arrogant english are at it again. You understand it would be the urc teams booting s.a out?
@eamonlyons8069
@eamonlyons8069 Ай бұрын
English bully behaviour. They fucked up and now want us to help them out. No thanks. See if France are interested...​@HuwEvans.
@Function_za9187
@Function_za9187 Ай бұрын
​@@KewKew-do3kqArgentina contribute absolutely nothing. They have no URC team or club team. Most of their players are in France and England.
@wot4922
@wot4922 Ай бұрын
​@@KewKew-do3kqwhat do you mean ? Please explain.
@johankotze1622
@johankotze1622 Ай бұрын
I have had my fair share of banter with the Irish fans,but i do believe we will stand together and nip this in the butt.
@tonymurphy9795
@tonymurphy9795 Ай бұрын
You do with me anyway!
@vivb5180
@vivb5180 Ай бұрын
I think you mean 'bud' ... ie, nip this in the bud
@johnkilcullen
@johnkilcullen Ай бұрын
I was in SA for the Irish tour in July. Met lots of SA fans. They were great. There was none of the arrogance you get from some keyboard warriors on social media. Yes there was some banter but it was all very friendly and jokey.
@annJord123
@annJord123 Ай бұрын
​@@johnkilcullenwe're not so bad in real life hey 😂 thing is the podcasts and media do need us to be annoying keeps the interactions flowing 😂😂
@penkop4282
@penkop4282 Ай бұрын
Agreed
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