El Dorado - Fact or Fantasy?

[@brooklyn6064]

The Road to El Dorado was actually a film by Dreamworks not Disney :). The reason for it taking place with the fantasy like maya/aztecs was because it was originally going to be about the Spanish conquest of America's. It was reworked to be about the mythical El Dorado instead.

[@archaeoedpodcast]

Thanks for this! I'll state a correction in my show notes.

[@oceantree5000]

Thank the heavens for the Great Courses collection to turn us on to your awesome work. I began w the North American series (which prompted me to subscribe), then did the South American, and am now on the Meso-American series. Thanks, brother!

[@archaeoedpodcast]

Glad you like them! Thanks! Ed

[@justinscarred]

Really enjoying these

[@AncientAmericas]

Great episode as always Dr. Ed! May I ask, what book(s) did you use for your information on the conquest of Columbia and the Muisca?

[@archaeoedpodcast]

Some of the books I used are currently in storage so I can't access them. I used research I did back when I led the Amazon trip. But another book I recently picked up had good info on them too. Its "The Search for El Dorado" by John Hemming. 1978, but the info is still solid. I'd be happy to see you do an El Dorado episode too. I must admit, I'm jealous of your huge KZbin audience! I've been working with Luke Caverns on learning how to add photos and text to my currently static KZbin posts, but its slow going. Its a bit ironic how if I could just do less of my paying gigs and devote that time to ArchaeoEd it would start making money and free me from my paying gigs. I'll break orbit one of these days! Every time you mention my podcast to your audience my views shoot up, so I'd be in your debt for another nudge. Thank you for your camaraderie! Best, Ed

[@andanssas]

@@archaeoedpodcast I enjoyed your narration and presentation. AA post brought me here and I don't remember how I found his channel... I really don't care about how huge a channel's audience is, so forget jealously and please provide sources to your content in the description - that might boost views indirectly with time (for online stores books, affiliate links get you a % of sales). Write the name of the books and pages down when writing your research, those investigating further appreciate that. See this as a hobby though, even bigger channels have trouble getting the funds needed for producing content full time... All the best from a new sub.

[@AncientAmericas]

​@@archaeoedpodcast I think my original reply didn't through so here we go again but thank you so much for the reply. My interest is actually the Muisca rather than the El Dorado legend itself. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me! I'd love to pay you back for all the help you've given me. I'd be curious to know what software you're editing your videos with. It shouldn't be too difficult to get images on those videos. (I imagine you have a lot from your travels and those could really boost your videos!) Already gave you a shout out earlier today so I hope it helps!

[@archaeoedpodcast]

@@andanssas Well, part of how I enjoy making these podcasts is not making each one a referenced publication. Writing professional papers requires an exhaustive list of references for each fact mentioned and frankly its a pain in the butt. But your point is well taken. Perhaps I'll start adding a few "further reading" suggestions. Thanks for listening!

[@archaeoedpodcast]

@@AncientAmericas That book actually does have some good info on the Muisca and I'd bet its reference section will lead you to even more. Luke taught me a bit about how to use CapCut software. My trouble is only part learning curve, the larger part is band width. I've got a lot going on and its hard to add another task, much less one that's so time consuming. I'm working on changing my life and priorities to focus less on travel and more on publications, but leading expeditions is currently how I pay the rent. It will come, and your success inspires me. Thank you!

[@corbettnorwood9514]

my favorite history podcast

[@Her_Viscera]

Was just talking to my bro about the legend of El Dorado! Wish I saw this before speculating all afternoon haha

[@zipperpillow]

My uncle had a Gold Eldorado. It got like 8 miles to the gallon. One day it just disappeared, probably looted by some shifty treasure hunters.

[@dutchreagan3676]

Thx Ed; I've always wondered how many of the old, old stories were really 'true' or had at least some kernel of historic accuracy. Maybe we don't always 'read' things the way they were intended as we look at it with our 21st Century eyes.

[@rawr2u190]

This was so interesting

[@XroorX]

Imagine the PhD level students with $60k student loans that based their whole lives on Sir Walter Raleigh’s version…..

[@efrainmartinez1610]

Hello Ed, long time listener first time caller. I've enjoyed your interview's and work very much. Ive been trying to study the muisca culture. Everything I've found is pretty much what you talked about. Is there a leading expert or website you can recommend, to help me learn more about that culture?

[@stupidminotaur9735]

That guy who died did find the three noses dog it was rediscovered in 2010's. Lost for 500 years.

[@FacesintheStone]

Fantastic as always ❤

[@TheCrazyDcoolest]

Ah yes my favorite disney movie

[@archaeoedpodcast]

I had that wrong. It was Pixar that made that movie.

[@RETARDOMONTALBAN]

Hi. Speaking of treasure - I know this isn't exactly your area, but I have a question. Why are there no gold pre-columbian artifacts from eastern north america? indians in the eastern woodlands worked massive amounts of copper afaik from adena times if not before. I know they couldnt smelt but they did anneal it into all kinds of stuff. they were fortunate to have access to a source of raw copper. well, we know that gold also existed in raw form in their region (georgia and north carolina gold rushes). im not a metallurgist, but it's my understanding gold is softer than copper. they should have been able to work it at least as well as they worked copper. they obviously liked exotic material (shell, obsidian, rock crystal) and established sophisticated and far flung networks to get it. im just an interested layman, but i've looked through quite a few books on artifacts and archaeology and it's bizarre to me that there isn't at least one thing, even just a nugget in situ. Can you shed any light on this, or is my question unreasonable? thank you

[@ericschmuecker348]

I believe some gold and silver lost by Spaniard ships was picked by and traded to other tribes. If they found and used Appalachian gold, that would be really cool!

[@archaeoedpodcast]

Its seems a bit strange to me too, but they just never developed their technology to gold. I'm not an expert in the sources of gold either and your reference to Georgia and North Carolina gold rushes is honestly news to me. But I can say that De Soto scavenged the eastern US looking for gold for over a year. If any of the indigenous had gold he surely would have beaten it out of them!

[@RETARDOMONTALBAN]

@@archaeoedpodcast Hi, sorry for my lack of clarity but my point was that as far as I can tell they DID have the technology. Consider, the copious quantities of copper they worked was sourced not from smelted ore but rather from raw pure copper pulled directly from the ground in Youpperland. They annealed raw copper nuggets. I see no reason why they couldnt do the same with gold nuggets that surely turned up, though much more rarely, in streams and rivers. As for Appalachian sources of gold, the wiki articles on the early 1800s georgia & nc gold rushes refer to placer mining (and also reference cherokee knowledge of said deposits) your point about de soto is well taken. i dont know. anyway thank you for replying

[@OxAO]

Politics. The same year they "found gold" was the same year California was acquired. 1816 there was a gold find. It was also shown on the map from 1572 called Arias Montanus Map of the World 19 on the map is Ophir shipper for solomon mines has two locations. California & peru (likely Yanacocha)