Elaine Pagels on the Misuse of Revelation in Politics and the Church

In this episode with sit down with Elaine Pagels and talk about her book, "Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation" and deep dive into the background and context of Revelation and the very real consequences of ignoring that context in modern day interpretations. Enjoy!
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[@victoriag3249]

What a privilege to listen to this discussion--grateful to you both for sharing your insights! 💜

[@WhatIfProjectPodcast]

Thanks my friend ❤️🙏🏻

[@suelingg1]

I appreciate this discourse especially since I have recently engaged in the Study of this book. Thanks for providing the insights.

[@WhatIfProjectPodcast]

Thank you and thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@pippah447]

Thank you, a useful insight and discussion into this 'Christian' text. As always Pagels gives a balanced view.

[@TheElizabethashby]

IF YOU ARE BORN-AGAIN IN THE HOLY SPIRIT YOU PRAY BEFORE YOU READ THE BIBLE AND ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING AND IT WORKS

[@WhatIfProjectPodcast]

I'm not sure it's that simple, but thanks for sharing!

[@TheElizabethashby]

REVELATION IS A EXCITING BOOK WITH A GREAT END

[@adriandeutrom9092]

The kingdom of God is not a place in the sky nor is it a future happening. The kingdom of God is NOW and its in you or among you as Jesus said.

[@WhatIfProjectPodcast]

Bingo!

[@Madas905]

Revelation really does bring out the nasty side of the faithful who actually want to see unbelievers slaughtered and sent to hell. But then again god does talk about his anger and wrath constantly. It would seem to be true that the faithful apples don’t fall too far from the godly tree.

[@quetzelmichaels1637]

Understanding needs to come from within the Bible itself. It is not a prediction of the future. It is another statement on his two appearances, within the same generation, which are the sacrifice and resurrection depicted or portrayed in the crucifixion. Jesus comes as a thief in the night; only to slaughter, pillage, and destroy; come and gone before you awake. Then, when they awake, the kings of the earth gather at the site called Armageddon - apparently, to beat their swords into plowshares. Now if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterwards of another day. (Heb 4:8 NABO) Walls of Jericho - Scroll with seven seals Six marches over six days - The first six seals Seventh day, seven marches - Seventh seal with seven trumpets Seven priests given seven horns - Seven trumpets Silent before the shout - Silence in heaven On the seventh march the horns sound, they shout, and Jericho is given to them - At the seventh trumpet, there were loud voices in heaven saying the kingdom of the world belongs to the Lord. -------------------------------------------------------------- You need to speak Dragon. Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb's but spoke like a dragon. (Rev 13:11 NABO) There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! (Luk 12:50 NABO) I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49 NABO) it is better to marry than to be on fire (1Co 7:9 NABO) For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world (Deu 32:22 NABO) Warning of the impending Day of the Lord, he was swallowed by the Beast out of the Sea and spewed out upon the shore as the Beast out of the Earth, as the sun beat down upon his head and a burning east wind began the Way of the Lord in the Desert. The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage: (Joshua) The First Beast - Day of the Lord - Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. (Moses) The Second Beast - Way of the Lord - Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO) Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, (so also Christ) Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO) the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty (Rev 1:8 NABO) The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction. (Rev 17:8 NABO) We saw his star (of Bethlehem) at its rising (Mat 2:2 NABO) up from the abyss (Rev 17:8 NABO) The star was called "Wormwood” (Rev 8:11 NABO) It was given the key for the passage to the abyss. (Rev 9:1 NABO) I hold the keys to death and the netherworld. (Rev 1:18 NABO) the bars of the nether world (Abyss) were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) Who will go down into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO) As the Lawless One, with all the power, signs, and wonders at the disposal of falsehood, and seeming to be a part of the workings of Satan, 2Thess 2:9-11, he leads them astray, as if with a bridle in the jaw of the people, on the day of the great slaughter, Is 30:25-28, having been given the power and rule, along with great authority of The Dragon as the First Beast/ Red Dragon, Rv 13:2, with seven heads and ten horns, Rv 12:3. Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, (so also Christ) Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord (Jesus) will kill with the breath of his mouth and render powerless by the manifestation of his coming, (2Th 2:8 NABO) when he rises against the prince of princes, he shall be broken without a hand being raised. (Dan 8:25 NABO) If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master (Gen 4:7 NABO) Who, robed in splendor, judges nations, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head. (Psa 110:6-7 NABO) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam was without sin. The sin of Adam is prophetic of the sacrifice, when he wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life on the day of vengeance AS judgment, setting up the abomination of desolation in him, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another. By his sacrifice, he justifies David when he speaks and, at his resurrection, he vindicates him in his sentence. The hand of (Yahweh/ David) is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. (Isa 59:1 NABO) David is the Light of the world and the Son of David is the Lamp of the Light of the Father.

[@frankoppizzi3990]

Cue all the crazy people sayin the “rapture” is right around the corner!! 🤦‍♂️

[@TheElizabethashby]

I AM GLAD ELAINE IS NOT TEACHING ME THE BIBLE BECAUSE SHE KNOWS VERY VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE BIBLE

[@dianamoon3614]

firstly no one knows all the answers... all need to be careful what we think and say... well it's only been Elaine Pagels life study - she's a deep thinker and a translator of text... she reads ancient texts in the language they were written; - Nothing in biblical language is simple - words and images reflect meanings from deep levels that not everyone who reads the Bible literally can understand. But you know each to their own. G-d speed to you. Peace.

[@bobbylee_]

She’s a world renowned biblical scholar. You’re not. You sound jealous or envious of her.

[@DannyWhittingham-yk9oq]

And you do? The bible was written hundreds if years after Jesus by MEN not God.....its word of mouth and thus those in power like today decided its narrative......which is a relief really as the old testament presents an awfully murdering nasty God.....like all Abrahamic religion....

[@TheElizabethashby]

YOU NEED TO READ THE OLD TESTAMENT TO UNDERSTAND THE NEW TESTAMENT- REVELATION IS GOING TO HAPPEN WE ARE ALMOST ON THE DOORSTEP

[@MLB1212]

Every generation has religious leaders who think we r close to the ‘end times’. Can u point to anything that shows that this point of time is substantially different than in the past?

[@anthonyantoine669]

Sure, just another couple thousands and we may get to the door

[@umunhum3]

@@MLB1212 The End of Time and Space will come about when you Go Within and open up your 7 Seals As Jesus taught, You will do ALL the works that I have done and more Jesus opened his 7 Seals You have to open your too otherwise Matthew 12. 43 awaits you Reincarnation until you dissolve all your desires to experience the physical world

[@jmc8076]

She has talks on them too. Myth Vision videos.

[@bobbylee_]

I could listen to Dr. Pagels all day. Great interview and discussion!

[@umunhum3]

Elaine may translate and study scripture, but she does not understand it This is sad how ignorant she is Scripture describes the battle between the Mind's desires to experience the physical world and the Soul's desire to return to GOD Why is it that only the Hindus understand this?

[@jmc8076]

One opinion based on personal beliefs.

[@umunhum3]

@@jmc8076 I am a Gnostic I KNOW that Spiritual Knowledge can only come from Direct Experience Belief is a Mind Activity and thus not Knowledge The only way to Truly Understand Scripture is to Experience what is written within the pages That is Gnosis - To Know what is

[@RstesotTv]

Pretend...? Razor Sharp Two Edged Sword of Truth.... There are at least 3 levels of Truth in the Words. Patmos. Who judges and makes War? How does he win? The Truth slays. Angels enforce. ........ Left Behind.... Lol. The Tares are taken first.

[@WhatIfProjectPodcast]

Eh?

[@WolfUSMC]

Your constant A.ha , hum , yeah ect... makes this the worst interview of the Pagels p.h.d