Elden Ring PVP Has A Serious Problem

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[@sylvanaspilot]

my left ear enjoyed this very much

[@Lone-Starr-Schwartz]

My right ear has something to say...

[@chinup3253]

Pvp is an absolute shitstorm. It has atleast 7 different problems that will never get fixed.

[@ianwilliams2632]

Yep. At this point I'm just waiting for a new IP from the studio.

[@TheMeanArena]

No, only one problem. Infinite scaling.

[@chinup3253]

@@TheMeanArena dude it has more than one problem. Have you tried invading?

[@Dravianpn02]

​@@chinup3253getting ganked every single time is absolute insanity.

[@ericlind6581]

@@Dravianpn02 That’s why 1v1 arenas exist. Invading isn’t about 1v1. It’s about invader+environment versus host+summons

[@Recusant_Bonjo]

I was hoping the DLC will fix the multi-player but actually made it way worse💔

[@illusion6477]

What in the schizoposting? Bro sounds like post-lobotomy saint riot in the intro💀

[@info_mercial]

My fellow americmans

[@Sulleymon21]

I mean I love Saint riot and Info is certainly Inspired by him, id say. But Saint hasn't done a good old character voice over in a while and Info is funny as hell

[@GhostProdigy]

L2 IS ALL you need in ER pvp!

[@bgrizz7253]

“Now anybody can shoot lasers with R2 and by that I mean L2…”. That was really funny

[@TheCanineContrarian]

Elden Ring has never been about skill (in PvP) due to the way they designed Spells and Ashes of War (aka Spells 2.0). The DLC solidified Elden Ring PvP as Dark Souls 1 PvP 2.0. For those that know, please don't flame DS1 it was the "1st", Elden Ring being so far the last is the one that should be looked at funny. When you have roughly 70% of a game's offensive options be nearly catch-all gimmicks-- think Messmer's Spear, Thunderbolt ash of War (base game), Star Shower (base game), Light of Miquella a spell that is SO LARGE to the point three (3) **timed** Bloodhound's Steps to get maximum dodge distance, do *NOT* out-range that spell's massive radius & it hits for insane damage (900+ in one hit) to say how huge it is, and due to how terribly wonky implemented it's animation is its difficult to dodge due to nearly the entire screen being blinded with white light. We all already knew Elden Ring (PvP) was never about skill, its about who has the better gimmick but man the DLC took that to 110% lol. Makes DS2 PvP look like a Godsend and we're not even gonna compare it to the G.O.A.T DS3.

[@vennicerunnos]

FYI No damage crits sometimes happen when the stabber somehow gets "nudged" out of sync with the stabee. usually because the host/phantom buddy nudges you slightly by frantically swinging into you in blind ape-like rage.

[@MaoMavo]

it's a connection thing and it mostly happens when you're too late which is more often the case with heavy weapons, you can even do it consistently when you have the timing, probably some netcode adjustion so you dont get crit after you already rolled away etc.

[@GhostProdigy]

I miss fight clubs. Bring fight clubs back make PvP Great again!

[@qeter129]

int builds in shambles. low laser interest rates now!

[@Zeredek]

My fellow Marikans

[@inframatic]

broo your voice and character made this video extremely entertaining. and from a random small channel too. May you grow endlessly

[@Sulleymon21]

Agree about spiralhorn. I always thought it was for sweat lords, but it's become absolutely essential to win invasions. More and more I've had to sacrifice fashion for poise and status defense. Sad. But they work

[@LyllianaofMirrah]

everybody is just using cheese builds it's sad

[@TheAzul_Indigo]

I started a pure str build today. Grafted UGS, 100 poise. Not a laser in sight.

[@PoisonJarl71501]

Hit the DLC and get the ancient ore sword. Even better than lasers. It rushes forward probably longer than piercing fang and explodes with follow up. Otherwise just mash r1 through everything

[@TheAzul_Indigo]

@@PoisonJarl71501 I have it on another character but I’m going with axe talisman, two hand talisman, and spiked tear with expected AR coming out to 829 physical before buffs at RL125. I want to truly understand big bonk. c:

[@PoisonJarl71501]

@@TheAzul_Indigo to understand big Bonk, one must turn off their brain 🤭

[@TheAzul_Indigo]

@@PoisonJarl71501 yes 🗿

[@kameron6994]

today i invaded a group who all had the impaler spear and you guessed it, did nothing but l2. never wanted an invasion to be over so fast

[@superspork3975]

Yea the screen covered in magical particles deal is a real mood killer

[@AnxiousOrko]

I’m sure a good percentage of it is first time fromsofters that just watched KZbin cheese builds to come up with their preferred builds

[@PoisonJarl71501]

This DLC was meant to being back the ROB spammers and guts crouch pokers, only to get wrecked and have their $50 wasted when Blindspot spam fails 😅

[@TheMeanArena]

I still wreck with a Rapier. Care less about fancy shmancy ashes of war.

[@donsalizar4037]

lv1 +1 weapons is by far the best pvp experience I have had

[@info_mercial]

Legit underrated experience. Low level invasions rip

[@BiggestBlunder]

LMAO I LOVE THE INTRO

[@joker44225]

The shit part is that all people do is spam spells is boring every invasion

[@___.51]

Haven’t been doing tons of invasions lately but I have noticed co op we tend to crush invaders right now. Chalked it up to the reinvigorated player base and more inexperienced invaders

[@dontnerfmebro8052]

Nope. Has been like that since launch. Elden Ring was made specifically to make invaders feel like theyre in hell. Thats why so many invaders' brains broke and now we just run the most disgusting one shot op shit possible and do nothing but run away for like 20 minutes. ER pvp system is like a spit in the face to anyone who kept DS3 alive through pvp.

[@___.51]

@@dontnerfmebro8052 nah not really as someone who has been playing continuously for the last two years we were in a pretty good place for invasions until the dlc dropped, we will return to a pretty good place in time with the balance patches, but right now things seem broken

[@dontnerfmebro8052]

@@___.51 so, things being constantly and stupidly broken from a clear lack of fks to give is okay, because theyll be slightly fixxed two years later?

[@___.51]

@@dontnerfmebro8052 nah that's not what I said

[@ianwilliams2632]

@@dontnerfmebro8052 Well said. ER was clearly designed as a single player and "hold the host's hand" experience. Reds were an afterthought. Disgusting game. But what can you say? DS3 was already 8 years ago. Companies move on. Golden ages end.

[@joh3981]

Being sweaty also ain’t fun anymore. Gankers just have too many options to absolutely obliterate you now. They have to try not to win. And honorable and Ganker just should never be forced to share a sentence with each other. They are by definition the scrubs who crutch on every possible advantage to win with no morals to get in the way. Those kinds of people are borderline undefeatable now. There is too much broken ganker tools since the dlc. It was bad before, it’s worse now. Starshower was a shitshow, now we have bone bow… And all the other garbage

[@bubbajoe117]

“My fellow Americans, back in my day the only laser beams we had to worry about came from the Moonlight greatsword, a very respectable weapon from a better time, a vote for me is a vote to return to those old days, it’s time to make Moonlight Greatswords great again.”

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

DS1 invading in 2012 were the days bro.. seems so far away now from the projectile spam of ER. I could really use DS1 backstab immunity frames and backstab angle ease of connection in these 3v1s right now

[@stacystealer]

Ds1 had peak pvp, invasions anyway, ds2, imo had the best pvp, invasions sucked (infinite giants seeds), the arena and 1v1s were amazing.

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

@@stacystealerI was always an invader main, but I do remember when DS2 came out the arena bros in that game looked to be quite skilled and I enjoyed watching youtube vids of those matches back then.. but I still stuck to invading in DS1 im an invader at heart

[@stacystealer]

@ryan_drums invasion by far more fun, I want the forest back... I miss having an actual fun gank, chain backstabbing, havel flipping, it was a great time to be a pvp nerd.

[@dunkydubs8282]

I want a dark souls game with no lasers

[@michaelakadap924]

They need to Nerf over-level password summon phantoms much more. Give invaders full flasks Where the fuck are our covenants? Dragon, lightning builds literally can one shot even though I have 60 vigor, using my special flask, defense buffs And defense boost consumables. Make blue great again by letting them only invade reds that killed hosts like in dark souls one. Let us invade solo hosts Even though they aren’t using multiplayer consumable. But make the invasion timer go up to 30 minutes instead of just 15. Make the MP cost go up in a percentage when the game recognizes that you’re just spamming. Let invaders be able to call on other invaders to help

[@info_mercial]

Definitely agree on the flasks. The co opers have 45 flasks and I got max like 7? Crazy

[@MaoMavo]

I just invade at low level to mitigate this aoe spam business, stormveil is great for ambushes, the hosts rarely have op stuff and even if they do, they only have 1 and best of all you can literally steal from people dropping stuff in ellehs church. 😂 I get to invade as Lamenter or ancient dragon man and it almost feels like old school invasions without all the crazy crap. lv 40 was also ok but over time way less activity and the hotspot was this finger castle which really blows for invasions. I'm staying on 1 without upgrades but optimally I think you can go RL5 with a +3 normal and +1 somber weapon, keep in mind it's important not to talk with rogier or other npcs that give you upgraded weapons.

[@Crit-Multiplier]

every single guy when asked wouldve said yes pls from make spells good outside of unbalancable glitches. and they did and now everyone hates it.🎉

[@nyoom9814]

This guy is like the Saint Riot of Dark Souls, , , : O

[@neocortx-erpvp]

I think ER definitely has a lot of issues in regards to how they managed the pvp (netcode, no co's, TT is dumb, spawn points, no rewards, etc.). But I think projectiles really only seem as bad because a lot of the community has a strong preference for melee. In terms of balance, tourneys show pretty clearly that melee is still king (by far). Still complaining because melee isn't necessarily better in a 1vs3 seems kinda crazy to me. You can't do that without having a massive double standard.

[@eldenlean5221]

Tbf tourneys are an extremely curated environment. They are almost like an entirely diferent game(in a good way imo). Under the specific rules of tourneys projectiles arent an issue at all; but just change the size of the arena and suddenly someone running away and chipping you down from afar becomes a thing. I dont think its a double standard, I just think ultrapassive players that dont have to engage are bad enough in a 1v1 anywhere that isnt a rectangular arena of reasonable size for pressure, add two more passive players that never have to directly engage and still retain priority the game just feels like hot garbage.

[@reapzdeatth]

seamless coop mod is being ruined by cheaters

[@sophiefoley2378]

Has anyone told you you're a lot like saint riot? Anyway, he's one of my favourite souls/elden ring invaders and it's cool to have someone else with his style of humor/invasion content. Keep up the good work!

[@fromsoft2hard]

"and by that I mean L2"

[@thegreenfather1978]

Maybe all that spam wouldn't be as bad if the movement wasn't identical to DS3, and most weapons extremely similar. They kept making movement and attacks faster in tandem with each game after demon's souls, and it always worked. Yet in ER they didn't...

[@ferro9926]

Normally i'm a phantom that does arena, last night i tried a fun build in invasions and between the awful connection (im on pc) and how there are always 2 phantoms and a host, it was a horrible experience, especially with things like blasphemous blade, sword of night, sleep shotgun being in every invasion, making everything a 2k damage stunlock the second i got hit, taking away any sort of fun that invading had in previous games Worst of all is the actual vitriol these hosts and phantoms feel because they see the color red I had occult smithscript daggers, a bleed shotel and the harp bow as a darkest dungeon jester-ish build (curseblade mask, eccentric shirt and pants and solitude gloves if anyone wants to recreate)

[@dontnerfmebro8052]

Your mistake was trying to have fun. Casual invasions in ds3 were a blast. You didnt need to be sweaty and still have fun/win. The community was very different too, where even gankers had some sense of fair play (you cant exactly turn off taunter's tongue at Pontif). But Elden Ring? Better learn hard swaps and talisman swaps, better have AOW one shots, better have endure and bloodhound step on soft swap, better have poise (fk ur fashion), better never wave at your opponents or else get oneshot, better out play two opponents at level 300 when youre invading at level 30, better watch out for the PVE they can hurt you too, better always have a greatbow cuz the host will ALWAYS camp the grace with his boyfriends (ive been in an invasion wjere the guy didnt take five steps from the grace for an hour), better be as toxic and low skill as your opponents or else youre you lose. And the spawns are just trash. Why the fuck does it lock me on Radahn beach with two end game mages and a host spamming moonblade?? Who the fuck thought this style of invasions would be fun for the invader? What new player is even gonna want to try pvp with thede ecperiences? DS3 lasted like 8 years after the dlcs, purely from the covenant invaaions and he arena. Elden ring might like 2 after all is said and done.

[@BenaiahPS]

​@@dontnerfmebro8052so don't invade. You're sad that it's difficult, but it shouldn't be a fair fight. You're playing the bad guy, you're not supposed to win.

[@dontnerfmebro8052]

@@BenaiahPS im not sad its difficult. Im pissed its unfair. Thats the difference. Pvp or anything soulsborne isnt easy, thats why we play - at least, most of the old guard play to over come challenges. I still invade because, despite it all, i can still find that feeling occassionally. Ive been invading since ds2, and im not going to stop now. The thing that pisses us off as invaders is that the developers themselves obviously didnt put in 5% of the effort as they did anything else. The absolute bs that was the dlc weapons is proof of that. If they had a single person play a single duel with those weapons they would have seen it, but they did not. Its a spit in the face of the fanbase that kept their games alive after the journalists/noobs play it once and drop it. And whats his shit about "bad guy"? Oh, your tarnished is the hero, huh? The guy that decides to keep the corpse of a tortured god imprisoned so that they can be the king over the ruins? Sounds like trying to stop someone like that is the real hero, no?

[@BenaiahPS]

@@dontnerfmebro8052 is not supposed to be fair. You're choosing to come in and interrupt someone else's co-op play. They didn't ask for it, so they should have an advantage. You are an obstacle to be overcome. Honestly, hosts should get even more advantages to offset the annoying time drain that is invasions.

[@_Ethereal420]

​​​@@dontnerfmebro8052 I definitely get what you mean and many other's may not get the facts that over the years with each new game the invasion experience for the invader has gotten worse and worse. Now fast forward to elden Ring where they actually dialed back the pvp experience in favor of more pve things in the game ,that just goes to show they don't really care as much at this point about the pvp experience like they used to since no covenants,no 6 player limit, the tt being abusable to use against other's, mobs not really being as menacing and a challenge to players like they did in past games with the exception of dlc of course but it shouldn't have to take till dlc for mobs to be worth a dam . It's just a little wild tbh . Cold hard fact is sadly there is no other game like this so we're stuck with it till there next big souls game or until hype dies down and people go back to the older games which is probably in 2-3 years from now

[@TheMeanArena]

Yeah it always has and always will. It is call infinite scaling. Put a scale cap would fix every single issue in PVP.

[@TheChosenBeloved]

Looks like the community is finally getting the issue of what I like to call the “L2” kids. This has been the issue since launch. Everybody was just spamming the weapon art, 0 skill. I picked up the fingerprint shield and got more hate mail than in any other game because I blocked their weapon arts. That day I spent 18hrs farming fools and raised over 50 million runes solely on Tarnished. Jumped 160 levels in 1 night because the pvp community thought it was sweet. I quit the game a few months later and I even heard they nurfed the stuff I used because blocking L2’s was a big No No. Well now with the DLC ill walk thru the bosses again then I will pick up my rusty shield and remind the community that if I am the Host come with many and if you are the host pray you are not alone, either way just be prepared to retrieve your runes.

[@somniumlucidus969]

Idk i do weird builds and i find them fun. Im doing a SL 150 Quality build with 50 VGR 50 STR and 50 DEX with the rest in endurance 44 END. Im using 6 weapons, 4 of which are dragon based and 2 of which (backhand blades and bloodhound claws) are lightning infused. I got tge pierce talismen and all of my moves, except my dragonclaw greatshield, do some pierce. Everything else except my dragonhunters great katana does lightning damage. I used decent armor but lean into fashion and i use consumables in place of magic. Spark aromatic, dragon communion harpoon, consumable golden vow and dragon communion flesh for my body and aura buffs. Its a weird build that uses things from all around the meta but put together in a weird way. You can def learn from the meta and still come up with combos that surprise others. .like my claws arent bleed infused and my backhands dont have swift slash cuz i think theyre cheap. Magic's OP and i use none of it lol

[@FUNFUN_101]

I invade at level 335 with meteoric ore greatsword and I wreck 3v1s all the time since I been invading since launch but it would be nice if they did more for PvP like covenants or just some incentive for pvp

[@arch_imedes7108]

I continue to believe that STR builds with colossal weapons are the game's secret easy mode, at least in PvE. PvP is a different issue altogether.

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

Not a secret to me. Buddy took his dex build into DLC complained he couldn’t beat dancing lion or Rellana, rage quit. Next day came back with this STR char beat 4 bosses in a row no problem.. yeah dude its a lot easier when u break their stance I told him

[@starsidescav9487]

I raise the vertigris armor plus iron jar plus falx

[@l__rina]

wha makes me crazy, is the 3v1 with tons of weapon art attack powerfully spam, I mean, if we had 3v3 like Dark Souls 3 pvp

[@iRunKids]

I prefer the chicken leg bleed in once charged r2

[@__-fi6xg]

well, its a player driven economy, dark brandon shouldnt have sold the mexican wall...

[@BonfireBasics]

I would vote for you.

[@H0wlerz]

if you can fix youre mic for the next video its only coming from the left side

[@scungillimane]

left ear/10

[@JosiahCone]

Sane Ryan's cousin

[@GBRC-EFC-125]

You can only invade when the host has summoned one person min so it will always be a 1 vs 2 min

[@screamthesecond3946]

IMO its a double standard to complain that projectiles are OP when in 1v1 duels, melee is still king. If you are in a 3v1 the situation is inherently unfair, even if everyone is using melee. As for the flashy ash of wars and people spamming, understand that 1. most coop players are PvE players, and L2 spam is prob all they know 2. In a normal duel, most of these ashes are easy to dodge. For example if someone uses Messmer's Assault, just roll sideways and you willl dodge the stabs, then get another backstab if they use the final ground stab. 3. Projectile overload only happens in 2v1 or 3v1s, so just play duels if you don't like that.

[@MrToothpicks]

Yeah most invaders don't understand that players don't normally like getting invaded and will do whatever they can to end it quickly so they can go back to their PvE. Also take in the fact the reward for killing the host is basically a junk teir item, like what is anyone invading for besides being an inconvenience for the host?

[@spacedoohicky]

@@MrToothpicks I invade to feel a sense of roleplaying a hunter of tarnished. I'm not doing well at it though because if I see people who are clearly struggling I just let them go. I think most people invade to fight around in the world. The official role of an invader is supposed to be something that gives hosts a challenge when the environment stops being a challenge. Yes that's about inconvenience. But 3 people tearing through mobs makes the game too easy.

[@Miistrra.]

Elden ring pvp is shit it's not balanced and all people do is press 1 button and special spam dark souls games Bloodborne and demon souls pvp is better.

[@Goneth]

can you skooch over to the right for me?

[@darkindragon]

Sleepy Joe is that you?

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

DQ11 OST dope

[@kabuki2804]

I invade w my twink,rl.9,4 tally slots,plus 3 tallys,the works,you name it. In this game it doesn’t matter what you do the pew pews are everywhere. Hopefully the next title can make pvp live longer,now days the only “happy”folk are the duelists i guess?Im happy but i can only speak for myself as an invader.

[@Sogrub]

This is a non issue IMO, things like ashes and projectiles look better than they actually are because there are 2 to 3 people trying to kill you at the same time. To to see what is actually good in a pvp fight, go to the coliseum, or use the taunter's tongue to get some duels. Looks like people are forgetting that invasions were never meant to be fair or balanced, they were meant to be sporadic and chaotic.

[@moresomoze]

I fuuuucking hate pvp. Its literally just havel monster all over again. The same heavy armor, and sorcery spam. Like forreal you guys ruined this game.

[@theprophettoast9914]

I get the point but hearing you talk for ten minutes about how easy it is to get magic lasers then immediately saying your build is for the new magic laser greatsword had me cackling

[@info_mercial]

I ain’t above it lol

[@spacedoohicky]

When you can't beat em join em.

[@gaypudding2315]

Yeah, this game should have been a coop only game. There's no reason to invade, most people summon right in front of the boss fog anyway, no need to actually play through the level. Open world invasions are even worse, since there is no level and no dangerous mobs, the lasers take care of all possible threats in seconds.

[@jordanbrown3816]

The could have just like, made the PvP better js

[@gaypudding2315]

@@jordanbrown3816 The core design of the game goes against the concept of invaders. You invade to stop coop players from breezing through the level, but there are no levels in an open world game. Stakes of Marika are proof that Fromsoft wanted to take a different approach, but still squeezed in the pvp mechanics.

[@screamthesecond3946]

@@gaypudding2315 invaders are meant to act as "super strong enemies" that players will have to fight if they want to coop. it has nothing to do with "levels"

[@gaypudding2315]

@@screamthesecond3946 You're supposed to stop them from getting to the boss fog. Just like any other strong enemy you're supposed to be an obstacle between the host and the boss.

[@screamthesecond3946]

@@gaypudding2315 that is just plain wrong. miyazaki said himself that he wanted invaders to be "intelligent, diffcult enemies" that co-op players can encounter. Not all enemies are meant to simply stop you from reaching the fog wall. Sure that can sometimes be the case, but since Elden ring is a open world game there are plenty of enemies, even strong mobs that are just there for you to fight. What you said is more akin to the role of enemies in traditional souls games.

[@crossycross6417]

They should only nerf the Ash of Wars in PVP please 😭🙏, Pve shouldn't be touched at all, only buffed. They nerfed my Fire Knight greatsword, so I'm immensely salty

[@crimson1953]

Didn't nerf the sword it was bugged other nerfed a big difference

[@jamesvarela233]

@@crimson1953tbf that is honestly more significant since the weapon used to be a lot of fun to use, they could’ve just lowered the damage and never touch the true combo and that would be it, we all would be happy.

[@crimson1953]

@jamesvarela233 that could have worked. I guess they see it differently. Swift slash is annoying as magic to deal with especially playing at max bracket which is where I enjoy playing most. Yet to get my 150 ann168 to.th3 dlc yet. Only reason I made a 150 ann168 was to smash steel an jeenine lol. I'll get their soon

[@jamesvarela233]

@@crimson1953 yeah well it’s been bad since after the update bc of them backhands don’t know what to do for builds really. Except for at least maybe one, that’s mostly the only option left till hopefully people out there sends enough tickets or so to get Fromsoft in making a patch finally.

[@crimson1953]

@jamesvarela233 I'm sure a pat h is in the works an their getting feed back from people.i personally.been using claws of night an storm hawk axe ash's of war to counter swift slash. Weapon isn't the problem ash is

[@maxpostscontent]

Did I just hear a video game comparison to segregation?! And the take it was better back then?! Meme into or not people are bold now a days

[@Crocalu]

I hear you. BUT. he did immediately connect it to summoning pools. And the segregated summoning pool system is whack, we can all agree

[@maxpostscontent]

@@Crocalu oh this video speaks nothing but facts, but I the video was a tough start for me . But there’s tons of content might of just found myself in the wrong spot. Will see myself out haha

[@riccardopoleggi1812]

elden ring PVP Is dead. thanks myazaki: you sold a lot of copies to noobs and destroyed the pvp community

[@maxbrown8791]

I’ve regularly invaded in Elden ring since launch so while I do agree it’s kind of annoying, you gotta get new players somehow man, and lemme tell you if you’re in normie circles online they HATE the scary red men

[@stacystealer]

​@maxbrown8791 I love that, always has existed, glad to see it's still around. Nothing like 3v1 ing and getting hate mail after you 1 shot the 30 vig host.

[@AbsentQuack]

And simultaneously made one of the best open world RPGs of all time? Fair trade in my opinion. Honestly, PvP has been and will always be a joke in from soft games until they add a ping filter anyway.

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

@@maxbrown8791they always have. The non invasion and pvp averse players have always hated invaders since demon souls

[@somniumlucidus969]

I mean im having fun in the arena lol

[@ellagage1256]

You know you're complaining about projectile spam while you're also very easily dodging past them, I always thought the projectiles were dogsh*t against any players because it's not too hard to close the gap or punish the very slow cast times. This mostly just feels like a Souls boomer complaining the game doesn't handle gameplay the same and just wants evey fight to be a melee fest

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

Its not dogshit if its a 1v3 , try invading 3 projectile spammers without room to get away see how easy it is for you to avoid it all

[@ellagage1256]

@@MetalSlimeDrummer You ever think that might be more of a 3v1 issue? Also you act as if the game isn't already designed around you being able to dodge roll past projectile spam with how often bosses use it, or that there aren't melee and physick abilities that can counter magic spam pretty well to let you close the gap and make their life a chaotic nightmare from then on

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

@@ellagage1256buddy Ive been playing pvp in souls games since 2012 its not a 3v1 issue I did just fine in 3v1s in every other souls game. I have dozens of clips of winning 3v1s in ER since the DLC came out also but its 10x harder and requires me to utilize the PvE to win or at least be optimal unlike the previous games. Most of my 1v3 wins come from stomping new players that just button mash but AoW are so strong you can button mash and still win against a good invader unlike previous souls games which I think is partially his point. You can’t nearly as easily outplay the group of lesser skilled players with your own skill because 1 button wins the fight.. just spam L2. Or spam magic, same effect.

[@ellagage1256]

@@MetalSlimeDrummer Who cares how much time you invested in the other games? Invasions work differently in this game and are genuinely more stacked against you BY DESIGN. I actually enjoy that more and is why Elden Ring is the only Souls game I've been able to get into doing invasions rather than just PvP arena fights. Yeah you're gonna get your ass kicked a lot of the time, like you're just another common enemy players are methodically clearing out. They have no reason to go easy on me, and I don't want them to. If you're not a fan of that kind of design around invasions and were just expecting to appear as a threatening surprise mini-boss regardless of build then I've got bad news for you... Personally I've felt more inclined to invade with goofy builds because of how stacked the deck is against me. To me it makes every single blow I land and every single kill I do get feel all the more satisfying. I get far more into playing out my character as some unique enemy type rather than just a player randomly showing up to PvP at the worst possible time. If I wanted a more "balanced" PvP experience I would just go join a chill Fight Club group rather than go online complaining about invasions. It's also personally reassuring how difficult it is to be too much of a pain-in-the-ass as an invader BECAUSE of how many options players have to deal with me even early on. If players are not in the mood for my shit then they'll make it pretty clear by how they fight me. That's just part of how invasions work in this game Look if winning invasions matters to you that much, then either invest in a build that will let you deal with the range attacks you hate so much, put some range into your own build, or better yet... Go do invasions in another game if it bothers you that much

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

@@ellagage1256it doesn’t bother me that much my original point was to counter your argument that 3v1 magic spam is ‘easy to avoid’ and it isn’t. As you said, you like the challenge invading in this game more than previous games, because the odds are stacked against you.. proving my original point. Yes 1v1 magic is easy to i-frame through (though much harder than previous games where magic was actually dogshit in pvp) but not 3 players spamming it

[@Kimrah01]

Another one complaining about PvP without any knowledge of PvP mechanics. Do your homework first...

[@spacedoohicky]

What knowledge is that?

[@AbeIsMean]

I personally think invasions should be an optional feature. When I'm playing coop with my buddy, and we get invaded every 10 minutes, it gets old, especially when PvP is not our goal (my buddy is a caual player who hates PvP). This has caused us to adopt a "get fukt" mentality, and there is usually no honor in the disposal of the annoying red man. To all the reds, Lord Mentruaal apologizes for the absolute dogging I've been doing on y'all in defense of my scrub homie. These Backhand Blades have been cutting up the whole community 😂

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

You’re doing it right by having a screw you kind of mentality fighting reds, that’s playing the game as intended. I was an ‘honor duel’ guy being too nice in invasions way way back in the day in DS1 and eventually I realized that’s the wrong way to do it.. I should be trying to get the kill at all costs that’s lore correct and my opponent you should do whatever you can to kill me too😅

[@MetalSlimeDrummer]

Btw people having been asking for invasions as an optional feature since 2009s demon souls. Clearly Miyazaki likes it and hasn’t changed 6 games later. Also, it was revolutionary back in 2009. At least you couldn’t be invaded while alone like previous games , only when co op

[@Elden_Cock_Ring]

You can just use a password tho

[@AbeIsMean]

@@Elden_Cock_Ring Passwords don't affect PvP invasions.