Elder Scrolls Lore: Ch.5 - Argonians of Black Marsh

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Every Province of Tamriel has its secret histories, but no land in the Empire is as undocumented and unexplored as Black Marsh, and no race is as misunderstood as the Argonians.
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[@jordanzamora422]

An elder scrolls in black marsh seems fun for an argonian but a pain in the ass for any other race.

[@yrvjutrtubxsyi]

Might as well have a dlc to go to black marsh and elsywer. Unless the new elder scrolls 6 let's you explore all of tamriel. Then all you need is to explore other continents. Unless that's also part of the game. Then I'm sold.

[@Gigas0101]

The game could use a survival mechanic where the player needs to routinely get potions of cure disease or special potions of resist disease and poison, unless you start as an Argonian. It's something that could be manageable while still adding a bit more challenge and flavor to the experience.

[@xuploads]

@Gigas0101 I feel like then everyone would start as an Argonian.

[@Gigas0101]

X Probably, the trick would be setting it up so players would want to play a non-Argonian and want to overcome the disease system. I mean, people play fallout 3 in survival mode, this could be similar.

[@tylerjaynes822]

If you're not an Argonian, you start the game at a hospital getting diagnosed with Type 2 Hist Aids, and you health, magicka, and stamina will always be at 7 If you start as an Argonian, the game starts mid blowjob in your mansion

[@novosphere]

I recall a tale of a certain argonian maid... but that is a story for another day.

[@nicolite8477]

novosphere I think a lusty one

[@Kamn_exe]

Haaaaa

[@unclefester1840]

The not so friendly Russian on that subject, where can you find all of the volumes of that book?

[@Sksk27547]

Hahaha

[@momgo6533]

Uncle Fester there’s only two books i think in Skyrim I’m sure they did it on purpose

[@MsSomeone98]

Did they forget the fact that the while everyone else ran around in circles while the Daedra invaded during the Oblivion Crisis, the Argonians actually fought the Daerdra and kicked their asses so hard they retreated back to Oblivion, and the Argonians actually FOLLOWED then and beat them on their own turf? Then they went on to killing thousands of Dunmer as revenge for the slavery. Ever wonder why there are no Dunmer saying "I survived the Argonian assault on my city"? That's because they didn't. When the Argonians attacked, they killed ALL the Dunmer in whatever city they attacked. The Dunmer were only able to enslave them back when they were a loose bunch of tribes with no government. But then they formed the An-Xileel government and beat both the Deadra and the Dunmer. Wonder why they don't go on the invade other parts of Tamriel. They must really like living alone.

[@MsSomeone98]

Avonisea Telvanni How was it weak? They literally killed thousands of Dunmer. Not a man, woman, or child was left in southern Morrowind. True, the Argonians actually formed an army for the first time while Morrowind was in ruins. They didn't even drive the "drug addicts" back. All they did was just stop their advance. They couldn't actually destroy their army to the point where they couldn't attack again, for obvious reasons. When did the Argonians have their army devastated? Let me see.... The Argonians first formed an army after they firmed the An-Xileel government during the oblivion crisis.... It worked like a charm. They counter invaded oblivion and the Daedra had to close the gates.... Then they decided to fuck up Morrowind for revenge... They take the entire southern country... Lose only once and stop their advance? Where exact does it say that the army was devastated? It just days they stopped their advance after House Rediran managed to rally enough troops. They were never driven back into black marsh. So, they just stopped invading? House Red or an couldn't push them back if they wanted. All they did was stop their advance. Now, I don't know the details if their battle, but House Redoran Probably just set up a defensive position around their location and not lose to the lizardmen. Either the Hist ordered them back, or the Argonians were feeling really merciful. Either way, the damage was already done. They pretty much drove most of the Dark Elves to Skyrim. It seems the Dunmer got lucky again after the High King decided to give them an island. BTW, after Oblivion, no matter HOW much the Dunmer rebuild their province, they won't be able to enslave Argonians again due to them forming a government and military strong enough to perform an ethnic cleansing of half their country and kick the Daedra's asses. The Dunmer only managed to enslave them back when they were a lose collection of tribes with little to no government. Each tribe didn't care enough about the other to actually do something, not to mention the fact they only prayed on border tribes, never actually attempting to go in deeper, because there are a million ways those other tribes could kill them deep in the Marsh if they felt their previous Hist were threatened. Now that I think about it, it really depends in what the Hist want. The Hist want to interact with the rest of Tamriel and have their own servants? Argonians are there for it. They feel threatened by the Daedra? Order the Argonians to quite being tribal and form an actual government and military and kick the invaders' asses. So, the question is, did the Hist want the Dunmer dead? It seems simple. If the answer us "yes", rinse and repeat the Southern Morrowind Fiasco, but don't quit after not being able to take a city. If the answer is "no"? OK, just live your daily lives in the Marsh until the Hist want something or feel threatened.

[@MsSomeone98]

Stopped reading at the second sentence. Again, the Redoran army merely defended themselves and stopped the Argonian advance. They did not beat or push them back. 

[@MsSomeone98]

Avonisea Telvanni Like I said, the Argonians just left. There is literally no way house Redoran could push them back, unless the Dunmer suddenly gained the ability to multiply and were given tanks and ebony armor. 15 years before Umbriel came, the Argonians just left Morrowind. They got their revenge, a few clans might just be mad enough to stay.

[@MsSomeone98]

Avonisea Telvanni There is a way? A single a single house that managed to defend itself has no way of pushing back a full army, no natter the races. And yes, the Argonians did go back yo black Marsh. Read infernal City. I'd trust a book over what some random Dunmer says. The thing is, the An-Xileel are NOT a skirmisher based force. They counter-invaded Oblivion for crying out loud. They are a full-blown military and political faction, no more guerilla hit-and run tactics.

[@MsSomeone98]

Avonisea Telvanni A large army fleeing from an enemy in defense doesn't make much sense to me. Nothing was said about any major Argonains losses or casualties during the attack on Oblivion. It was a landslide victory for the Argonains. I've seen the "Argonain home field advantage" argument before. I doubt they had the advantage in Oblivion, where they literally overwhelmed the forces of the netherworlds to the lint where Mehrunes Dagon's servants had to close the gates to stop them. Besides the Fighters quest, which by no means represent the Hist-Argonain relationship, we know little about the Hist except for the fact that Argonians are their servants and they protect themselves. Who cares about their military strength or government?!? The real mystery about the Argonains is... Why do they look so different in Morrowind than they do in Oblivion and Skyrim? Did the Hist decide to make them more human?

[@randombencounter263]

Aw, you left out all the interesting bits about Argonian biology. Like the fact that they are part plant, which is the reason for their long lives and immunity to most animal diseases and poisons. Or that some of them cyclically switch sex every dozen or so years to ensure that there is always enough males and females to go around each mating cycle.

[@zerogbot23]

Ben Kielar Cool i love Argonians

[@SCP-wj6dw]

Ben Kielar where's it say they're part plant? I meant yeah the just made them but it doesn't really sound right

[@callmekekk2.092]

explains why so many people defend them

[@realdragon]

So they switch sex instead having lesbian sex to reproduce

[@rezachoudhury823]

A race so badass they drove back Daedra by themselves, lived in one of the most inhospitable places in Nirn, can breath underwater, heal wounds quickly, never get truly conquered by the passing empires and used to have a tradition of being assassins if they are born under the sign of the shadow... Oh and they are lizard men. 10/10 would breath under water and be overly reliant on histskin again. Argonian players in Skyim will know what I am saying.

[@thereptilianmercenary461]

actully i understand

[@theplaguedoctor7664]

ive played skyrim as a argonian and I dont get what you mean

[@ruecumbers]

+firestarter 111 I don't know what you expected from the ES game titled 'Skyrim', friend. :/ The game is focused on the Civil War and Ulfrik Stormcloak, and it alone wouldn't possibly give you so much lore about such an irrelevant race to the story's plot. There are hints and tastes of the lore, however, as with the mention of the Shadowscales when you join the DB, or the clearly evident references from NPCs about the Hist, and such things as the underwater breathing mechanic. The collective Argonian lore though is undoubtedly bad ass.

[@rezachoudhury823]

Lalle Rue I was really talking about being overly reliant on histskin when I mentioned Skyrim. Lore wise, not much happens to the Argonians during TES:5.

[@yrvjutrtubxsyi]

Elder Scrolls 6 will probably have an Argonian as the main character in the lore.

[@HQ_Default]

"A deadly virus broke out killing nearly every non-reptilian person in black marsh" This just makes me imagine this one argonian in the background yelling: "SUCKS TO BE YOOOOOOOU!"

[@canceralert7310]

HQDefault fuck yourself

[@samvimes9510]

Spotted the filthy Imperial

[@mrnobody6354]

I want to imagine that whilst everyone else was running around screaming in pain, an Argonian sitting on the beach under a parasol, sipping on a cocktail and smoking a cigar...

[@dinorazor3413]

@@mrnobody6354 So pretty much if clint eastwoods character from the good the bad the ugly, Blondy was argonain that would be so cool.XDXDXDXD

[@chesterstevens8870]

Wasn't it true that Black Marsh militias were not only able to repel Dagon's dremora during the Oblivion Crisis, but actually managed to counter-invade Oblivion and force Dagon to close the gate?

[@bloodfiredrake7259]

thats badass

[@ottoam1081]

Archaon The Everchosen dude, they fucked up the daedra. That is pretty much one of if not the most badass thing a race has done.

[@JelliThePilot]

God damn, I want a book on what all the races did in the Oblivion Crisis. What the Argonions did was amazing; they spent all history being pushed around, and while those races were falling, they didn't just watch; they fought back against the Daedra. Imagine what happened in Elsweyr

[@quillanjacobson1478]

I imagine Elsweyr did pretty well for themselves, there are some badass races of Kahjit that aren't actual races in the game that would of been very helpful in fighting the dremora

[@brandonwithnell612]

actually from what i hear the highelfs may have lied over some of their victorys during the oblivion crisis, yes they did do quite well with closing some gates and defending their citys however the thalmor claimed that they outright stoped their invasion but its more likely what really happend is after dagon was defeated and all gates closed they thalmor took the credit for it in summerset in order to gain more political favor

[@GrassH0pper55]

Even though they were slaves to the Dunmer the Argonians are capable of showing compassion to them. The best example is Brand Shei the dark elf orphan raised by Argonians.

[@williamgraham4563]

BigtheGangsterCat unless you're an argonian thief I suppose... y'no the whole putting him out of business thing, lol.

[@darksyde0418]

I have an Argonian character and I felt outcasted in Solsteim

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

@@williamgraham4563 Well, you can fail that and he won't get jailed. I always fail on purpose.

[@lachlanbrowse6939]

He’s more of an exception to the rule. If you play ESO it’s obvious the tension between Argonians and Dunmer even after slavery is ended and the Ebonheart pact is signed

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

@@lachlanbrowse6939 That was over a Thousand years ago however.

[@robertpillsbury2218]

I now have the understanding that in elder scrolls, almost all elves are douch bags

[@theplaguedoctorofvenice9378]

Finally someone gets why I like Argonians best!

[@robertpillsbury2218]

ay men there brother

[@Varyalover]

The Spartan Warrior The Argonians who follow the Hist have no minds of their own, for they belong to the Hist. The Hist vies for control of Tamriel. It is bad, moreso than the Aldmer Dominion and the Imperial Empire. All three forces should be toppled.

[@theplaguedoctorofvenice9378]

Avonisea Telvanni You bite your tongue! The Hist is the one that guides the Argonians, it does not want control!

[@robertpillsbury2218]

im loving this conversation, also Spartan is right

[@JamesLStapleton]

Alright, so I have a bias. My love for the Khajiit is crazy, but I do have to say that the Argonians are super badass mother truckers.

[@JamesLStapleton]

***** I know. I totally know. With The Hist preparing them, the kicked ass and it was awesome.

[@franklind.roosevelt4367]

Much Unique Jim they actually pressed the advantage through the oblivion gate and forced dagon to close the gate because they for a short time they were successfully invading oblivion with the help of the hist trees

[@Khoros-Mythos]

Yiff in hell furfags.

[@JamesLStapleton]

@@Khoros-Mythos What is this, 2007? Get a grip kid.

[@pytko3]

The Argonians are my favorite race.

[@kration2484]

me too

[@heatherberry3818]

mine too bro

[@leonidasvictorscaleholm4825]

mine too, next to khajit

[@pytko3]

foxy the pirate Beast Races Forever!

[@leonidasvictorscaleholm4825]

+pytko3 yeah! the ones that are like animals are obviously the best

[@alldayagain]

The ability to breath under water The greatest thing since dippity do dah

[@joshuaburgess5702]

+alldayagain senielle scribbles? :')

[@alldayagain]

Joshua Burgess Its so true

[@Thornycroft1]

+alldayagain yeah but thats not a constant effect in morrowind sadly

[@cyberguy3376]

kajhiit dislikes water very much

[@cyberguy3376]

kajhiit dislikes water very much

[@Asaelus]

Around 6:40, the narrator says that it was considered impossible for 'non-black marsh relatives' to thrive in the land. This is true, and there's even in a skill book about this on the armourer's workbench in Whiterun in Adriaan's forge. If you want to read up on this story for yourself, the book name is: "The Armorer's Challenge" For those of you that are willing to click read more and not read the actual book, here's the story. (Mind you, I will not mention names as that just makes this story go on, much more. :P): The Imperials wanted to invade Black Marsh. In order to protect the army, like in any war, the men would need a strong set of armour. There was a fellow Argonian, who heard about the mission. He knew what was in Black Marsh and what the army would be facing. He knew that heavy steel would not make it, and the warriors would be stuck in the swamps. They wouldn't even make a whole 2km. The argonian, challenged Cyrodiil's most experienced blacksmith, in the challenge of armour making. (Don't ask me why the argonian was helping a raid on his own province. This is just a summarized version of the story.) The Emperor finalized that within 3 weeks time 'gladiators' would be suited with the challengers armour and the 'gladiators' would fight to death/defeat. The Imperial blacksmith used the most fine materials, weapons, techniques and skill to craft his set. Unfortunately for him he didn't know what was coming. The argonian knew what the conditions were in Black Marsh. And so, on the very last day of armour making, the lizard, grab a few pieces of light-weight materials and made some cheap armour. The next day, the 'gladiators' were suited up, and sent into the arena. The arena was put into a swampy condition like Black Marsh for this 'battle'. Heavy steel does not work well in a squelchy, sticky place such as a swamp. And two-handed weapons or even one-handed weapons cannot hit a fast-moving enemy/target when the attacker is standing still. The leather-wearing 'gladiator' simply dodged all of his enemy's swings, and he could move around and hit his enemy's weak points. And so ends this summary of a tale. If you've read all of this I thank you. And may you remember that being quick and light on your feat is sometimes, always the best.

[@schonjakob]

we just gonna not mention that they single handedly defended themselves from the oblivion crisis and forced the deadra to close all the portals in black marsh for fear of being invaded? ok then, just know not to fuck with "the lizard"

[@Ankhakaru]

seriously? that's nuts if they alone stopped the deadra...

[@MrEJVZ]

The only race that could possably invade Black March are the Dwemer, becuase the main bulk of their army, the automotons, are immune to all forms of disease, poisons and other organic troubles. To bad they vanished so we'll never know for sure if they would succeed. Althou if the Brass Tower was completed then they probbaly would have won with ease...

[@HJarrod]

or if they didnt disapper

[@Nem1606]

Look up *Landfall* Elder Scrolls lore friend

[@cykondacot5409]

dwemers were meanies o:

[@Killeraholic]

Their automatons would probably get stuck and sink in the mud.. and so would the heavy armoured Dwermer troops.

[@petyrbaelish4245]

Argonia is much like Russia. You cant win a war there

[@dimension1260]

Big Boss Until summer

[@petyrbaelish4245]

Russia doesnt know the word "summer"

[@dimension1260]

Must suck when they get it then .o.

[@VRichardsn]

Big Boss Summer exists in Russia. Why do you think the Rasputitsa happens? The thawing of all that ice. The mud is even worse than the snow. Speaking of Russia, Tiber Septim made the right call there when he decided not to invade. Cleverer than Napoleon & Hitler :)

[@petyrbaelish4245]

yeah

[@amarillo315]

Maybe in the Elder Scrolls 6, we can get a DLC that allows us to visit a small portion of Black Marsh, like Skyrim did with Solstheim?

[@philipprovencher2622]

amarillo315 Or how about an entire game dedicated to the Black marsh region?

[@minigunuser25]

***** I doubt they care about the alien part. But the inaccessible part would be the issue.

[@NicolasMayr-xe9cd]

or they could just make it set in black marsh...

[@minigunuser25]

Nick Mayr quite a bit of ingame races would be completely fucked over with that. Black marsh isnt really hospitable for the other races

[@Feamelwen]

+tEHFRECKLEZ Ehhhh, it would be mostly ok. Did you read the "Dance with Fire" in-game fiction books? Or our own universe's Greg Keyes books? There are numerous mentions of Imperials, Bretons, Nords and what have you trecking through Black March or living there and doing fine. On the other hand, maybe some (mostly central) regions of Black March would be too disease-ridden for those other races. But then they can give us access only to some parts of the country and the game would still have a huuuge map. Problem solved!

[@khaledreza9833]

Something is not right, if argonians are from "Black" Marsh, why are some of them GREEN? I'm onto you Bethesda

[@Orgaya]

I think you just unraveled the Elder Scrolls as a series.

[@AntonDeMorgan]

If in Germany is the black forest then why germans are white ? If Romania,Bulgaria,Turkey,Ukraine,Georgia and Russia have openning to the Black Sea then why are they white

[@FlXII12]

Black Florest - Amazonia. My Country. Brazil. Floresta Amazônia, pertencente ao Brasil. Minha querida pátria.

[@willspram7219]

Khaled Reza hmm whys the Red Sea not red. I'm on to you Mother Nature.

[@nolanbeyer9436]

america is much better you should move here unless you are not white

[@conallrodgers7998]

4:55 the hisssssssstory of the argonians

[@_Singularity_]

I want Elder Scrolls VI to be in Black Marsh SO bad.

[@NamelesssSpinda]

i want them to remake arena in the engine of skyrim sadly its nearly impossible and even if done would take a HUUUUGE amount of memory.

[@_Singularity_]

minecraftfreak252 I just hope the next one is a bit more like Morrowind. I love how it doesn't hold you're hand at all and YOU have to go out and discover places, use directions you get from people, and just have a bit more freedom. If they could make VI have Skyrim's combat/leveling system and Morrowind's quest/map/dialogue system, along with being set in Black Marsh (Elsewyr would be cool too) then it would probably be my favorite game. Oh and I also want to be able to kill anyone I want :)

[@cadenthie1478]

I think it should be in elcewhair

[@_Singularity_]

Taylor Thie (cough) *Elsweyr. Very inventive spelling though, I kind of like it. Yeah that would be cool.

[@cadenthie1478]

Sorry I was typing pretty fast and didn't catch that.

[@crocgator653]

Argonian are badass!!

[@chriss____]

Damn right they are!

[@coltonmadison5927]

No they only beat the daedra because they had the hist wich told them any race could do that if they knew ahead of time before you say anything read up on the lore

[@crocgator653]

Colton Madison ..Theyre still badass Idk what your comment has to do with my own..

[@Vairyehil]

Argonians smell worse dead than they do alive.

[@caseylp7121]

Like if your first character on Skyrim was an Argonian!

[@nightwolfbiker7597]

Casey Patterson first was dark elf second was argonian

[@thedampiestbadge2836]

First was argonain

[@nandimoozle703]

Casey Patterson it was my first one on oblivion and Skyrim, I wish they had more special stuff in Skyrim but aesthetic wise they are really cool

[@SaFeXxRandomxX]

My first one was an argonian, the second was an orc

[@oliviervandyck464]

My is a two-handed Warriors lol 😂

[@jdogpayne238]

Argonians are the most powerful race in TES. I mean, they not only defended against the daedra, they invaded them!

[@jdogpayne238]

I know. Hence my point that the Argonians are the most powerful. Because of the Hist.

[@malekkuznecky613]

How do you invade hell? :D

[@wildfire9280]

@@jdogpayne238 One and the same, they wouldn’t exist period without the Hist so their buffs are just as legitimate as if they fought without them.

[@IAmEvilTree]

Before I kinda wanted TES 6 to be set in Black Marsh but after listening to this I don't want too much attention on Argonia. I feel a game on the region would lower the mystery of the land, robbing it of what makes it so unique.

[@AndyBoBandy247]

If they plan on making a Elder Scrolls game based on black marsh it might be a little difficult considering mostly only argonians can live there right? just something I was thinking about because of all the poisonous things and diseases they mentioned.

[@IAmEvilTree]

I think it would be possible to have other species there but mostly on the edges of Black Marsh before the swamps fully set in, deep inside it would be just Argonians.

[@johnw848]

I agree. But the setting would not work if we want to get a full Elder Scrolls experience. A lot would have to be sacrificed for that to work... Firstly, Black Marsh is only habitable to Argonians due to their disease resistance etc. Black Marsh is pretty much a death trap to all the other races, it is full of toxic/poisonous flora, fauna, swamps and diseases. If Black Marsh was to happen: The lore would have to be sacrificed and reworked. or RPG elements would have to be sacrificed by making Argonians the only available race to play in the game. or The protagonist is a special individual who is immune to all diseases, like the last protagonist was a special individual who happened to be Dragonborn, Dovahkiin in dragon's tongue. Imagine you being the only Nord, Breton, Altmer etc. amongst a whole province of Argonians. Take your pick.

[@IAmEvilTree]

I think there can be other species at least on the outer parts of Black Marsh like I said in a previous post but I doubt they would want to abandon RPG elements or npc diversity. Maybe after the events of Skyrim a disaster occurs in Black Marsh that allows non-Argonians to pass into it's heart, some mystical wildfire or unknown invaders or something, and the empire and the dominion each want to use the opportunity to gain solid control over the region.

[@Mateo-oq7ui]

In TESO the edges of Black Marsh are available to visit...

[@jacobwinter6954]

94 people are dark elves

[@michaelmalone3110]

I am a Nord, argonian, and dark elf (on different profiles)

[@treble761]

I'm a khajiit

[@danielthedragondemon]

+Michael Malone you're practically the ebonheart pact

[@michaelmalone3110]

Daniel Hernandez idk what that means

[@ltgoobiez7218]

98

[@nexusofice9135]

Shoddycast is now dead. A shadow of what it once was.

[@KBfromhatena]

You forgot to mention how they are very diverse in appearances! There's a bunch of different types of Argonians that look different, like the Nagas and the Sarpa.

[@ValisFan3]

The next game needs to be set in Black Marsh. I like the feeling of Black Marsh that EVERYTHING is trying to kill you. If you aren't killed by Argonian bandits, you are killed by disease, swamps, monsters, insects, and poison. Elder Scrolls needs a new game with a hostile environment, not a walk in the park like Oblivion and Skyrim.

[@TriatomicAI]

ValisFan3 Too many people want an easy game and non hostile environment for some reason.

[@BlarghMeow]

If Argonians can swim with their tail like a tadpole, why do they not have a seperate swimming animation in any of the Elder Scrolls games?

[@zavzavzavzavzavzav7769]

David Wiita Fukin' got em'!

[@caseylp7121]

Bethesda was too lazy.

[@germangut2268]

Actually they do, but only on Morrowind

[@freestyle1227]

98 people are daedra from oblivion gate.

[@scraftymeitz9512]

Vezzara= best member of the Dark Brotherhood

[@LeviathanTamer31]

I hated the fact that he died.

[@WaddelingProductions]

Kylee Smalley How did he die I didn't finish or get close to finishing the Dark Brotherhood quest line

[@WaddelingProductions]

David Wiita How?

[@LeviathanTamer31]

It's not specific like how the magic guy was pincushioned (Not lying he looked like a literal pincushion) but apparently the Penitus Oculotus killed him in a fight.

[@busterstig7830]

Untill you come along as an argonian

[@The482075]

This video reminds me of Avatar. A race that has a connection and communication with trees. Whose entire culture is reliant on trees. Sounds a lot like the Na'vi.

[@mattaddison1910]

Sounds a lot like your mum!

[@Auge2011]

it is actually very similar to Na'vi i can see that connection clearly

[@Tarik360]

***** And these lizards can write, build, understand and actually has a bloody kingdom, meaning they have a political system that isn't some primitive cheiftain system. Argonians > Space Savages.

[@Tarik360]

***** I apologize my rudeness, then.

[@The482075]

***** I guess the human mind is geared to assume the worst. Maybe it's a genetic trait that helped us survive during the hunter gatherer days. Besides in Elderscrolls "Lizard" is a racial slur for the Argonians. Combine it with the use of a curse word and one might be sending a very negative message.

[@WeekendGamingNerds]

This series is amazing. I can't get enough.

[@jacobbergfald4621]

If elder scrolls 6 takes place in argonia, and argonions revenge is one of the missions in the game I would fucking love it more than skyrim!

[@tcoxwell812]

I like argonians as a race because of the boring human races

[@johnrayordas]

But that happened way before the events of tes 5 skyrim. But maybe a flashback mission or something like that. Besides, were not even sure if tes6 will be in Black Marsh. Personally, I would like it if tes6 will be based on either Summerset Isles, Elsweyr or Black Marsh. I've had enough with the humans, bring us back the alien-like culture from Morrowind.

[@NatSpagat]

argonians are epic

[@rytherykalan6867]

Black marsh is a jungle? *Fortunate son intensifies*

[@treymtz]

The Black Marsh, home to the illusive wereCroc.

[@robertcremin3291]

So, pretty much, the hist are ents, and Argonians are all world leaders

[@SchwabGames2014]

The most underrated race, and that’s why I always pick an argonian whenever I play Skyrim, Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Online. I love a good underdog story and they’re definitely the underdogs of the elder scrolls games. I like them because one, as a kid I was always a sucker for reptiles. I even wanted a pet lizard at one point or even a pet snake. Two, their culture and lore intrigue me greatly. Three, Nerevar was reincarnated as an argonian in my own head canon. And four, they speak for the trees.

[@FAILED868]

I'm a Dunmer man, really, but I do think that Argonians are VERY powerful. However, most (Not all) is down to the Hist, which empower them greatly. Were the Hist not around, many encounters in Black March would have ended... Rather differently.

[@Ssekkaha]

and it the dwemer didn't die out what would happen to the dwemer? its all a balancing act friend. each race has its advantages

[@FAILED868]

misterbigsteve I think I will be a smart arse and give you a nice big answer... The Dunmer never met the Dwemer. The Dunmer never existed then. The Chimer, however, did meet the Dwemer and had a conflict with them. The Dwemer were no priests and were not religious. On the other hand, Chimer were devout Daedra worshippers. A war was inevitable. However, when the Nordic invasions of the Fire Era started to occur, the Chimer had a treaty with the Dwemer. Anyway, why did the go here? Simple, really. The Dunmer's ancestors, known as the Chimer, followed Prophet Veloth out of the elven homelands and to Morrowind, where they settled and eventually became the Dunmer, after being changed. How did they change, you might ask, yes? When the Tribunal betrayed Nerevar and Azura, who, in her fury, turned the Chimer's skin dark to blue shade it is now, and their eyes to a shade of red. This day, the Chimer in Morrowind all died, in one sense, and the Dunmer were born. While the Chimer may be the "Changed Ones", the Dunmer are the "Cursed Ones", and in case you wanted to know, Dwemer are "Deep Folk". What happened to the Dwemer? How did they become extinct? What happened to the Chimer and Dwemer Alliance? All simple answers, really. The Dwemer became extinct during a war that later occurred with the Dunmer, ending their Alliance. In this battle, Nerevar, a Nerevarine, died. However, so did Dumac, the Dwemer King of Resdayn (Morrowind's former name), and all of the other dwarves, too. Whether the Dwemer still live, but elsewhere is unknown, and not only did the Dwemer end, but this long word of walls does too.

[@JakQ9]

imperials vs argonians = vietnam

[@DavidbarZeus1]

No, the Imperials were smarter than the UN forces. THEY didn't try to fight in the jungles. Of course, they also didn't have to deal with a pacifistic media and civilian population, or a congress that limited their ability to fight

[@razzlebackdraft8201]

tabu_joker Why are the trees speaking Jel? WHY ARE THE TREES SPEAKING JEL???

[@connornicholas8628]

tabu_joker Imperial: *sneezes* Hist Trees: “Bless you.” Imperial: *Begins to sweat*

[@syntheticlegion]

argonians ftw i started playing elder scrolls on oblivion so i don't know much about the argonians my favorite races thanks for the video

[@haleykimmel1009]

Lol me too

[@jamespickwell1898]

Man, I am addicted to your videos. I've played all the Elder Scrolls games, but only casually, not knowing a thing about the lore apart from what I'm told in the quests, and the occasional book I read. After I've watched all your videos, I'm definitely going to replay every single Elder Scrolls game, but with a new sense of knowledge. Love it.

[@tomwors]

Come back, Shoddycast brothers 😭

[@FinestSeven]

You didn't even mention the argonian human race Kothringi that was wiped out by the Knahaten flu.

[@WeekendGamingNerds]

I think he refers to this at 6:52 .

[@ThallanarRabidtooth]

My Khajiit Archer, Loki, has a husband named Scouts-Many-Marshes, an Argonian (yes we're gay, Deal with it!), and if only I could take Scouts out adventuring with me, but then we'd have no one to take care of the children and the house..oh well /shrug. I wish Serana didn't disappear so I could have Derkeethus as my companion again, I miss that guy :(

[@virgoleo81]

You cant invade Black Marsh. Mehrunes Dagon found this out the hard way. When the Oblivion Crisis occurred, The Hist created Argonian super soldiers, which overwhelmed the daedra that came through, then the daedra had to close the gates to stop the Argonians from reverse invading them!

[@tonauac784]

Is it true that the Argonians have a Aztec type culture in ESO?

[@savageargonian7352]

only in architecture.

[@pyro4535]

+Savage Argonian and greatswords

[@MrMichaelHarper]

i remember befor they axed it argonians had a affinity with spear weapons

[@Hawxaw]

Their armor types and architecture do have Aztec influence, I'm not sure how much of their actual "culture" is influenced though.

[@thebadger4040]

Every race was more or less influenced by a real culture.

[@meatmobile]

They dont have anything amphibian aside from their amphibious lifestyle - and their 'tadpole like tail swimming' is also exhibited in alligators and crocodiles - which are, contrary to popular belief, unrelated to the frog and toad.

[@Lightscribe225]

+Jack Shit Actually there is an entire tribe of Argonians that are literally frogmen.

[@meatmobile]

***** Alligators and crocodiles are so distantly related that they're in completely different classifications altogether. They're related in the same way a human and the barracuda are related. Even then, that's not enough to call a croc or a gator amphibians. They lead *amphibious lifestyles* , but that does not make them classified as amphibians.

[@TheMandalore4]

+Jack Shit biologically, no, they arent amphibians. metamorphically, yes, they are amphibians.

[@TheMandalore4]

also ability to breathe water is an absolutely exclusive trait to fish and amphibians, as far as vertebrates go. therefore, they would be incredibly hard to classify as NO real world reptile is capable of breathing under water, however the rest of their traits are distinctly reptilian or even vaguely mammalian (females with mammaries)

[@meatmobile]

Brian Stell There are a few exceptions to the 'reptiles can't breathe underwater rule', depending on your definition. Crocodiles can breathe WHILE underwater, but not through water. I think musk turtles can breathe while completely submurged, though. With their tongues.

[@Evandir500]

The Hist and Argonian connection reminds me of Speaker for the Dead

[@michaelcoffey1991]

Just amazing, you can see the love and care and knowledge of the E/S series in these race reviews. Just amazing stuff :). Thank you so much for this series.

[@Shua711]

I love khajits there really stealthy and very interesting

[@KillaJ4L]

i kinda feel like they should make an elder scrolls VI and call it tamerial (im sure i spelled that wrong) and just have the player be able to travel all over from black marsh to hammerfell and skyrim any one else agree with me

[@TheMassawassa1]

Arena/Online

[@KillaJ4L]

i was thinking more of a modern game and yes the online game you can do that but im talking something single player

[@LeandroBraz23]

The major problem with that, aside from technical limitations, would be to fill this world with interesting things. It isn't worth to have a huge world if it feel empty. They would need to fill it with a lot of random, generic things, because design with full details and filling each inch of this world with story would take too much time and resource, its unrealistic. We might get there one day, but it won't be in the next game.. About the MMO, correct if I'm wrong, but it isn't really 100% open world. You can't just travel the whole map with the same freedom you have in Skyrim, for example.

[@iGuttsi]

KillaJ4L why would you want an entire world, just to have it be single player..you must have some social issues

[@ARSP333]

chase green I'd much prefer an Elderscrolls VI: Akavir.

[@petertimowreef9085]

Started the game as a breton DK I got up to lvl 45. Then when I kinda figured out how the game worked I switched to Argonian Templar and I'm having so much more fun now. I made his character really fat and good at cooking , alchemy, bow and restoration staff so now it's a sort of happy eating herbal swamp healer kind of guy. Didn't join the pact though. Fuck the Dunmer. And High King Emeric is an old fool in my opinion, I'm not fighting for him.

[@uzairqureshi735]

+Peter Timowreef JOIN THE DOMINION!!!

[@rustyshovel7179]

+Blake.... I Like Beavers.... You do realize khajiit and argonians hate each other, right?

[@pyrobagel7832]

+Blake.... I Like Wildcats.... Same, in fact I sympathize and like Argonions, and im Khajiit

[@merijn7406]

+Youngerhampster Since when?

[@petertimowreef9085]

***** your loss

[@rynomathes3447]

The selection of music for each section of the story fits so well

[@TyudroWymoreEdgartyu2]

When I first played Skyrim, I created a Nord because...well, because it was Skyrim. But then I got bored and decided to start over. I then looked at Argonians and said, "YES. THIS IS MY DRAGONBORN." I never looked back since.

[@blazerfan4life611]

I would love to see an Elder scrolls game that takes place in Black marsh.

[@DakotaGallimore]

ESO?? :p just kidding

[@isexuallyidentifyasukraini5407]

To Oblivion and back, as they say.

[@Agiantpansy]

Im really enjoying these lore's, thank you for all the hard work you all put into them. Im especially impressed by how true too the tamrielic history you have been. Most people would have taken the easy route and compared events and races in this to real world events, but you have remained true to the idea of a true history of nirn, and its made it all so much more immersive.

[@alolana]

You could say the argonians have a complex HIST-TREE

[@kainlockley]

I think the Elder Scrolls 6 should take place in High Rock, Hammerfell, and Orsinium with expansion packs of Valenwood and Black Marsh. That would be awesome.

[@TheMammalizerOLD]

That would be too much for it to be as well made as previous games. It would be like a single player eso

[@kainlockley]

Not if they split it into one main game and 2 expansion packs or 2 DLCs.

[@kainlockley]

or maybe 3 expansions

[@TheMammalizerOLD]

matt baber If you mind waiting years for dlc

[@kainlockley]

If there's as much content in the main game as Skyrim has (and there would be), I could spend every bit of those years playing through it. I'm still replaying Skyrim to this day. Hell, we already have to wait for word about ES6 til 2018. Why not make it fully loaded. I think it'd be worth it.

[@PsychopathicJuggaloz]

Quite a vivid Histry xD

[@cthulhuoops7993]

The orcish helmet looks great on the argonion race

[@SilverNoggin2912]

The might of Argonia and the Hist is boundless indeed, but this one would not choose to wear stalrim... =/

[@scorpioninpink]

Black Marsh or Valenwood... i'm hoping that the next TES game will take place in either of these 2 provinces...

[@FAILED868]

Judging by the DLC that was supposed to be for Skyrim, Redguard, I am assuming it will be Hammerfell.

[@Kaisorra]

FAILED868 I hope each game will take place in the other lands. I'd love to visit Black Marsh

[@me700gnomes]

FAILED868 If the next game takes place in hammerfell I'll shoot myself.

[@FAILED868]

I'd love it to be in Morrowind again, lovely place... Would love to see how the ash changed it.

[@Kaisorra]

***** Technically, I don't think they will. Daggerfall took place in Hammerfell. So they're probably going to pick a new region of Tamriel to explore. More than likely.

[@toomuchsugar3960]

3:03 The Arbiter?

[@pyrus2814]

This is why I fucking love the Saxheel, they're the embodiment of every other race I love in video games + lizards, which I also like.

[@asamurai4144]

I remember being a child and instinctively choosing The Argonians in Oblivion. Man, what a time.

[@inswedishmynameisdik]

Hey Shoddycast, great friggin' videos! Glad to see I'm not he only one who super-geeks the TES lore!

[@voi_16]

3:20 Harambe, is that you?

[@NebBleZ]

I like the hist-ory

[@christopheringram1605]

NebBleZ Gamin well played, well played

[@Sksk27547]

Hahaha

[@jackgillespie8290]

This video alone has gained you a subscriber. Unbelievably detailed and well produced.

[@MadastheHatter13]

It took me awhile to realise it but Argonians are in fact the master race of Tamriel and I now play as them exclusively. They struck fear into the hearts of all Kyn from Churl to Valkynaz forcing them to close their own gates.

[@DaneTheInsane675]

Watching this with the "subtitles" was great. let me give you some ideas of what to see "in eastern Syria at the time the rulers up the white gold tower with the imperials love the first empire former human slaves at the heartland high elves."

[@DaneTheInsane675]

Also the "Day Jerk Prince" was great.

[@DaneTheInsane675]

Here comes a guessing round: who the fuck is "Thai Perceptive"?

[@TheHauntedReader]

Shadowscales are so bad ass It sucks that you can not be one in Skyrim. =c

[@JoshuaBegin]

you could get the shadow stone and be an argonian but that's not comparable.

[@jamell3133]

What a beautiful job you and your team have done here! I check back to this video from time to time to keep up with the lore... though there is more lore not explained here.... you still did a very impressive job! Argonian Master Race

[@fruitiiisupreme5420]

this is the best episode of the lore series. Argonians are the best

[@lordfrost638]

Watching this video and coming to the sad conclusion that there won't be a TES game that will do justice to the Black Marsh. How could there be, considering the severe limitations of poison and water everywhere? A Black Marsh game would just be tedious travel/PvE-wise, yet it would be so awesome if Bethesda could pull it off without going against the existing lore

[@421sparacino]

Argonians>other races

[@danielwoods9958]

+NOICKNOICK noice sincerely house Dres :)

[@danielwoods9958]

+NOICKNOICK noice sincerely house Dres :)

[@danielwoods9958]

+NOICKNOICK noice sincerely house Dres :)

[@NOICKNOICK]

Dan 2 Nah mate, I'm an ashlander. You people abandoned the Daedra.

[@danielwoods9958]

+NOICKNOICK i secretly worshiped the true 3 so we cool dog

[@Varyalover]

That's how they're described, but in practice, it's not quite like that. The Councils of House Telvanni are united and civil. The only case where killing another is part of the storyline, is done by the player to become Archmagister, and you have to slay another high-ranking official to become leader of the other Great Houses, and even is an optional way to become Archmage of the Mage's Guild.

[@talos8286]

First Empire raids into Black Marsh took place in 1E 1033. Battle of Argonia took place in 1E 2811. Much more than a century passed by before Black Marsh became part of the Empire (Second Empire).

[@MushroomDoughnut]

Argonians ftw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@FlamingNinetales77]

I can't wait for the Elder Scrolls VI: Argonia! //FN77©

[@olivermelender4558]

It's not confirmed.

[@luischalas]

lol wouldnt it be called black marsh instead of argonia?

[@FlamingNinetales77]

+Lord Miraak I heard it was on their official Facebook page.

[@Big_Boy_Biggins]

+elijah winebrenner only one argonian I know of called it argonia. Actually the elves call it argonia because of the battle of argonia.

[@adambowling1831]

I hope they add the option to play as different Argonian subspecies in future TES games. In the lore there are all different kinds of Argonians, some are lizard-like, some are toad-like, some are snake-like, and a few are even rumored to have wings, but in the games you can only play as the normal lizard kind.

[@JMcNultyDrums]

Argonian HISTory is remarkably interesting. It is quite a tail. I’ll see myself out.

[@nubnuber]

7:10 Lalalalala I can't hear you, ESO never happened Lalala!

[@brandonwolfe7200]

I love the intro

[@thesmolboi8104]

ikr! its so nostalgic and sends a tingle down my spine

[@alexanderterblanche4394]

Thank you Jesus

[@thunderstruk033]

Everytime I hear the Oblivion theme song I get goosebumbs.

[@MrLoZFreak]

Gin, it's because that Arena was randomly generated every time a new game was created. The landscapes, dungeons, and towns were all random.

[@takakan8631]

Dinosaur bastards of the world.

[@ineedcomforthelpme3160]

+Hakkari Kaijin dinosaur waifus of the world

[@nonsensical1521]

Thumbs up if you think Argonians are badass!

[@Dinjur]

Argonian forever. This race has shaped me as a person in real life. Ever since Skyrim came out, I've been ever so close to the characters as I feel I can relate to them deeply.

[@agiraffeinanecktie9469]

I have to say, I typically like reading the lore on the wiki, infact one day I spent an entire day learning about the Dwemer. But it's 3 in the morning and I don't want to read. Also your videos are easier to follow for longer periods of time. When I read I drift off sometimes...

[@MrDyingMonkey]

helped me to choose between argonian n a dunmer,, thx:) choice was argonian

[@Varyalover]

Eat shit, bitch.

[@MrDyingMonkey]

u're funny,, fuck u

[@theplaguedoctorofvenice9378]

I like Argonians best because of this!

[@Varyalover]

Xar Gas "Again"? You have never done so once. In fact, you lost. Twice. You aggressed during the Arnesian wars, and lost. You aggressed to attack Morrowind when it was weakest, and you still lost. You are delusional, the Hist has made you as such. The Argonians can't do shit and waste all their Hist on wars with Morrowind that it can't win, the Argonians lost so badly that a SINGLE Great House, one that wasn't even the head House on the Grand Council until after the war, single-handedly destroyed their absurd invasion, even when outnumbered 5 to 1. The Argonians would be better off waiting for the Dunmer to perish from old age, and retain their Hist in coffers for Great House Dres to seize when the honorable Dres destroy Black Marsh.

[@theplaguedoctorofvenice9378]

I kill every Dark elf possible because of this.

[@FrozenKing142]

so i play as a khajit but when i see an elf i kill it.KILL THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF IT!

[@thecandyman7286]

Bud Spencer racist.....

[@FrozenKing142]

The candy man i call myself an elfist its like racism agains elfs so basicly im a elzi like a nazi but yet again vs elfs.So yeah i conduct my litle elfocaus...I bet u know what would i say XD

[@jacksonrielly7285]

The only Elves I like are Wood Elves because they are apart of the Aldmeri Dominion, but want to just live in piece. Yes they eat any meat that they come across because of the Green pact and the other is Orcs. But they're both Mer and Beast. Because they want to live in piece but the Damn bretons won't leave them alone even after the ass kicking the bretons got.

[@rossnar5651]

Bud Spencer You then have to kill Dunmer, Orcs, and Bretons too. Bretons are kind of half elves... kind of...

[@FrozenKing142]

Uzair Qureshi no im allied with my dick XD

[@poopityscoop5851]

Yes, the Bosmer are cannibals because of the Meat Mandate, which is part of the Green Pact with Y'ffre. After a battle, the victor must eat the body of the loser within three days. The victor's family often joins in to make sure the corpse is eaten within the given time frame. Fasting before battles and family feasts have become common staples of Bosmeri culture because of this mandate.

[@VALKYNAZ]

God, that outtro. Hit me right in the feels.

[@vikcledoom6195]

Heh all this comments about how great/shitty races are.. Altmer: a kind of powerful race good at magic and dicipline, sometimes in a very awful way and racist as shit (the thalmor and ideals) but the psijic order has my respects Bosmer: a nice race good at athlethics which turn to them been great at hunting, they relatively passive... but due to a deal with the spiritual tree? something in valenwood they are.. cannibal Dunmer: a kind powerful race too, theyre good at magic and decent warriors, although theyve shown a little of racism sometimes they still a friendly one.. sometimes. (once they were the Chimer if not mistaken, i would like to see how they were before Azura turned them into the Dunmer) Orsimer: a beastfolk (elven kind) race, very powerful at battle and idea of honour and dicipline, though they are scattered all over tamriel (their most known location of residence is orsinium in high rock) Argonians: a decent beastfolk race, very friendly though theyre not known for that in black marsh, i read somewhere that theyre kind and good at water military tactics heh.. and the best guerrilla warriors and nice assassins Khajiit: a nice race with their known distictive ability at been sneaky.. they are vaguely known to be thieves and smugglers (and skooma inventors) although not all of them, most of them are friendly and good warriors.. as far as i know Redguards: a powerful race, very good at military tactics, though they seem to look at other races indiferently.. Bretons: a decent race with good magic knowledge and nice military training, dont know much about them, except that theyre men and mer at the same time Nords: a powerful race, known to be great warriors and blacksmiths, theyre known to have a great sense of what is Honor, theyve shown a bit of racism (not all of them) but not as much as the altmer or dunmer. Imperials: a good race, with decent magic and military training, they have shown a good understanding at government and general knowledge.. although in the recent era theyve shown a bit of weakness, i kind of feel that is not their fault at a 100%, of course a non very skilled emperor has part of the fault by not retaining the empire at its full (and its lack of not being dragonborn lol), and abandoning some other provinces which led to these races lose respect for them. Now id really like to know more about snow elves (falmer), dwemer and their dissaperance and how much the dunmer changed since they were chimer.. And of course, whats the fucking deal with the akaviri races.

[@alexjohnson684]

By the way they are Chimer not quimer

[@vikcledoom6195]

thanks, i actually noticed like an hour ago after posting it

[@alexjohnson684]

It's ok

[@Javetts]

because the psijic order act as the high elves did originally. back then high elves were simply the best race, now they grow weak. instead of making themselves better, they do what damage they can to the other races. i hope the psijic order bomb their ass with their majestic magnus power.

[@vikcledoom6195]

Javetts indeed

[@Baxtyr]

STOP MAKING ESO NOBODY WANTS IT! MAKE A DROP IN CO-OP TES:VI FOR GOD SAKES

[@MrPoeGhost]

I'unno....I want it. /shrug

[@Spartan2228]

Elder scrolls VI with co-op would be epic!!

[@PureEnvelope35]

Spartan2228 It would be better that way!

[@Delsanar]

Ugh, definitely not. ES is a singleplayer game with one person prophecies.

[@PxLRainbowz]

If they just charge a resonable 60$ , i'm happy but with the 14doller monthly charge im not too sure..

[@pattmcruss4604]

I think this man literally reveres Talos with a passion. I feel a little scared listening to him talk about Tiber Septim and playing that awesome music right after I revealed a man in markarth to be an illegal Talos worshiper.

[@yeryomagabitov8878]

There are actually rogue pockets of the Dark Brotherhood left, mainly in Black Marsh. There are definitely still Shadowscales left, who are simply in total recluse as a means of survival.