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[@EleanorNeale]

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[@FlamingBasketballClub]

10/10 on your outfit in this video.

[@Cottontailart]

If u love Junes journey u will love Phoenix wright on the ds (might be on the switch now too) I loved solving crimes in that game and being a lawyer and there’s other ds games like it

[@elizavetacassel881]

Please discuss the abduction, rape and murder of Romanian school girl Alexandra Macesanu. It was a horrendous crime that shocked the entire nation, made international headlines and led to fierce criticism of the police.

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

no

[@Anthony.and.Bigsis]

Trying to figure out why I am subbed to you but when I clicked ur channel to see any new updates or videos it said I wasnt subbed anymore.

[@kanbinadaydream6486]

I don’t understand how someone can go through being sexually assaulted, then enact that same behavior onto somebody else. Poor Kim.

[@tantalize811]

Either it's "payback" because they think 'Why should I be the only one suffering ?'. Or.... just hear me out on this one. Quite often sexual abusers tend to first charm and seduce their victims leading up to the assault. The victim's body "betrays" them during the act that they will confuse the feeling with "pleasure" rather than as an indecent assault. Therefore again, in their minds, potential victims will also come to "enjoy" the experience. Just a thought. 🤔😔

[@rubysparkles5789]

@@tantalize811at their age they know it’s wrong especially since at the beginning they said that he was angry that his dad would commit those crimes

[@nathan51782]

Simply for control and power. If you have had such control over situations of this ilk stripped and forced from you, it can make sense how one's need for control to grapple with the experience has lead them to inflict it upon another. It's sad, and it doesn't excuse it, but you can make sense of how the individual would come to that conclusion. All in all, abusers want and crave power and control over another - whether its root is in a past of being abused, or if its root is in something else. I don't say any of this (or in my second part) to excuse the perpetrator, but since you said you didn't understand how a past victim can then assault another, this is part of how it happens. Sometimes, this behaviour manifests in the form of consensual roleplay, too - whilst this is entirely different to enacting on an unwilling victim, the need for power and control (over the situation as a whole, or control over another) finds its roots in the same way. It is just that the individual victim came to the conclusion to act differently - I merely wanted to mention it so that anyone coming across this comment knows to not mix consensual roleplay with someone actually abusing another.

[@Angel0Food0Cake]

As someone who was sexually abused throughout my life, I will never understand, I can barely think about normal sex without feeling like crawling out of my skin. Sometimes people are just disgusting people from day one.

[@kanbinadaydream6486]

@@Angel0Food0Cake I’m so sorry. I hope you find more peace and healing in the future.

[@t.r.s.5129]

As a teacher, I find it incredibly problematic that the system often pairs together "behavioral issues" with "emotional issues" and "learning disabilities." I have met students who really, really want to do well in their studies and struggle because of dyslexia, or ADHD, etc., and are in the same class as the kids who are there for behavioral issues and constantly act out, to the point of threatening and attacking staff and classmates. It makes the enviornment much more dangerous for everyone involved, and creates a stigma on the whole class even though there are good, quiet kids who just want to get by.

[@laureneliza2287]

I was thinking the same thing. I helped in a special Ed classroom in high school and kids with learning disabilities were put into the same room as kids with behavioral issues. Nothing was ever learned or accomplished in that classroom because the teacher was just constantly trying to deal with fights and behavior issues. These things should be handled totally separate.

[@tiniowien57401]

Sadly all those things fall under "difficult" students. So that's why they all get lumped together. Because the non special ed teachers won't be bothered to deal with them

[@yeti8676]

This !

[@babytriin]

yes!!! im 23 but from 3rd grade to 9th grade (when i left public school) i had an IEP because i have auditory processing disorder ADHD and autism. but i saw always taken out of class with about 8 other kids who either had behavior issues, physical disabillites ect. my mom was always confused but nothing was ever done...

[@felixhenson9926]

Eh, as one of said kids with 'emotional issues' who went to a 'special school' that had kids with behavioural issues, yeah it sucked at times but also those kids with behavioural issues very often have things like ADHD, learning disabilities or mental illnesses. Further marginalising them from society will only worsen their behaviour and outlook on the world imo. It also groups them together with only peers who also have behavioural issues. Seems like a straight shot to prison from there.

[@clodaghmcconnell]

The fact Kruse hated his dad for murdering a 16 year old girl, but when he also not only murdered but tortured Kim as well??? So sick. RIP Kimberly🤍🤍

[@lunarbubu]

Thats the part I could NOT wrap my head around! like WTF

[@lifeaswarona9724]

like???

[@pembrokelove]

I wonder if how he feels about his father now. I presume they are not allowed to be in contact now - I don't know how it is in Canada, but here a prisoners cannot write letters to another prisoner, and people convicted of violent felonies are often, as a condition of release, not permitted to maintain contact with other people who have similar convictions. There's not an exception for family members.

[@doomisary]

​​​​@@pembrokelove they're in the same prison(mission institution)but kruse is in medium security and his father in minumum level.

[@jc6042]

It could be a genetic issue

[@sylvanaswindrunner2665]

If anyone is interested, both boys were denied parole on August 4, 2022. Thank you for the case, Eleanor! Amazing video. This was truly such a sad case. Heart goes out to her family to continue healing.

[@merci-jardine6728]

Thank you for the update, I hope they keep getting denied.

[@Michelle_Scott.]

Hope they are NEVER let out.

[@babble2leeza]

Thank goodness. They are evil.

[@sheeps_]

Good

[@Ittlestarr]

they deserve to rot in jail

[@carnivalcat595]

My brother is on the autism spectrum and struggles to make friends, but he met a “friend” EXACTLY like this in high school, his mother was neglectful and his father was in jail for murder and hate crimes. My family ended up basically getting a restraining order against him because he showed up at our house multiple times and also tried to beat my other brother up…- a year after we moved out of state he went on to break into a strangers house (DURING the school day…he was on lunch break) and killed some innocent man, then returned to class. The police were called because he entered class with blood on his clothes and they arrested him. We were later informed he had a “list” of people he wanted to kill and me and my brothers were on the list. People are so scary :( this case hit close to home for sure 💔

[@Hell0fri3nd]

That’s so horrifying. Glad you’re all okay now ❤

[@Laura-xl6sc]

Im glad u and ur family are okey .. what a fucked up world wtf

[@yana8353]

Bless your family🙏🏽 they did the right thing getting a restraining order on that kid.

[@nikkis7375]

So so scary. It’s sad how people must feel so helpless around people like that. Just knowing they wouldn’t catch them before an evil act happened. A lot of murderers show signs and have had cops called on them many times before something horrific happens and I feel like we need a better way of helping people before something terrible happens. 😔

[@TheTwinFiles]

Whoa, that's so scary! I'm glad you and your family are safe. Just think of the people who have a crappy parents who DON'T kill. Those kind of people are just bad on the inside. They were more than likely going to kill regardless.

[@rosenotes2651]

I have 0 empathy for these monsters. What a cruel case. I am baffled. This poor girl had to go through so much. It breaks my heart.

[@infinite5164]

Well I would hope so

[@eloisepreece4850]

I have sympathy for the children they were, but not the monsters they became

[@marythewinter]

@@eloisepreece4850 This is very well said!

[@saralc9]

Seriously. The same goes for everyone. I see women given sympathy and excuses for horrible acts and we need to keep this energy for everyone.

[@lilybekker6603]

31:55

[@SophieandBrogan]

I don’t care what you’ve been through there’s no excuse to murder or sexually assault someone

[@abbyelectric]

Say it louder for the ones at the back! Trauma doesn’t excuse treating people like shit

[@SophieandBrogan]

@@abbyelectric too right it doesn’t. I’ve been through things but I ant murdered anyone

[@zaynabdaniyal]

Exactly, everyone goes through bad things and they don't turn into murderers. I had a really bad childhood and went through alot of bad stuff and I certainly didnt. It angers me so much when people try to use it as an excuse for murder. They are just bad people, nothing is an excuse for it

[@echolightning604]

I agree, I've know someone who was sexually abused from the age of 3 and they've never hurt anyone like that.

[@carmen8958]

ESPECIALLY when you yourself have been assaulted in the same way! their background DEFINITELY does not speak for most of sexual assault or abuse victims by FAR. i myself have been in those situations and even hearing how you could know what kind of hurt and damage that brings to you and still want to inflict that onto others?! their background 10000000000% does not matter in this case. simply evil disgusting poor ass excuses for “people” they are demons in my eyes.

[@ako5288]

As a person with adhd, who studied for hours and hours at home because I couldn’t understand at school and got distracted so many times, I feel so bad for her, I’m just 16 years old and knowing that this can happen to anyone and on the internet is so scary

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I did the same when I was in school. It was rough but because I studied so much at home just to understand what I should've gotten in school, my grades didn't reflect any problems, so I wasn't considered for any extra help or support. I would say if you're able to and you're comfortable with it, it might be worth talking to individual teachers that you like and feel would be understanding. That's assuming that they don't already know, of course. Just so they're aware that you're doing your best and you might struggle at times. It's really worth speaking up and good teachers know that it helps them to help you if they have more information available to them.

[@p1ckle917]

real :/

[@TheNinjaNiky]

It can happen not on the internet too. My advice would be to see your state laws and carry whatever is allowed. I personally carry a knife either in my bra or boot, and I have a key chain pepper spray on my wallet. I am 30 and I've been assaulted even in a grocery store at like 2pm. Some old guy came up behind me and groped me and whispered in my ear, as I was just waiting at the deli

[@Jillworrell22]

I know it messes with ppl differently but maybe mine like hyper focused me on reading. If I would write ✍️ the whole book I would retain the info for test. Fash cards and mine jokes with words relating it to me life helped. Like my dog, he was cute and fluffy I thought about him being the power house cell, and his hairs were white blood vessels and spots red...it sounds stupid but that shit helped me pass lol 😊

[@Jillworrell22]

​@@TheNinjaNiky I have a boob gun and if anything u can hide them cheep box cutters closed in padded bras if u need to...are apple air tag if u that pressed. I might be paranoid but ppl get snatched walking to the mail box.

[@lindas42961]

This case happened in my hometown. My sister was good friends with Kim, went to school with her. It's very sad these two boys were very troubled. My Aunt said Kim was sitting there at her work, crying. That's the last time she's seen her. Kim apparently spent the last few days of her life in extreme sadness and she was going through so much bullying..Sooo sad.😔😢 Thank you Eleanor for always showing so much respect and dignity to the victims in these cases❤

[@erinmagill1702]

We are from the same town. Her mom was my boss. Lovely lady. ❤

[@Jjme23]

A difficult childhood is never an excuse to hurt someone. I don’t like that some people blame their actions on their trauma. I grew up in a violent abusive alcoholic household that had police and CPS at my house constantly. I could never dream of hurting anyone, physically or emotionally. In fact I feel I’m more sensitive to the feelings of others, because I don’t want others to ever feel how I felt through my trauma

[@GenXfrom75]

Exactly 💯

[@ayybibi]

it depends on how trauma affects you honestly.

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

This is how my trauma has affected me, as well. Im not sure what makes the difference-- between victims becoming more empathetic, people who would NEVER hurt the innocent, or, going on to become perpetrtors themselves. I just KNOW that the vast, vast majority of us become the former, not the latter. ❤️

[@oracien9858]

💯💯💯 Same 👍🏽

[@RukhsarSanjaree]

I have never felt less empathy for 2 people than I do for these boys. I feel sick tbh. The more I heard the more Kimberly felt like my younger self and I was lucky enough to have good friends. But, this poor girl had to suffer so much. My sympathy and empathy only goes out for Kimberly and her family.

[@AmyAberrant]

I was like Kim when I was younger, and I had some pretty shitty friends. They would do things Cruz and Cameron did, like make fun of me and then pretend it was a “joke”. Thank god it didn’t escalate like it did with Kim! 😢

[@alden3663]

Exactly. Putting the horrible and gross details of the case aside, they sound like some of the most annoying and pretentious assholes ever. Didn't surprise me that they were stupid enough to confess to it online.

[@JustTrying2MakeitToJesus]

My stomach dropped when you started describing what they did to Kimberly. This is so sick. They need to rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives. I hope in Solitary confinement!! They don't deserve to see the light of day.

[@roryslaine7896]

Nah, you don't want them in solitary. That'd be too good for them. You wany them in gen pop with actual gangsters and they'll soon find out how tough they are. They're a pair of cowardly weasels.

[@creative2716]

I disagree! They need to be in gen-pop, where the same and worse violence can be forced upon them.

[@heyimsasa]

this is absolutely disgusting like i can't even imagine hating your father but becoming him. i also think we shouldn't be like the media where they call young girl victims "woman" when they're like 10-17 y/o girls while men who commit violence are referred to as "boys" and their youth/innocence/ignorance is emphasized. we gotta be really careful about that because it's important, especially with regards to victims.

[@Sarah-fy3qf]

She was 18 she was a woman and they were under 18 they were boys. But I do understand your general point.

[@bbytiia]

@@Sarah-fy3qf 18 is not a woman lol, ur still a kid

[@carmen8958]

i a million percent agree with the importance of language! Kimberly was not a woman anymore than those boys were men! just because she might’ve been “legal” doesn’t reflect her mental state. she was at the very least a YOUNG woman but in my mind very much a girl and i say that at 20 years old only 2 years older than her. she would be the same age as my oldest sister now who was just blessed enough to see her first baby turn 4, my heart aches for Kimberly and her family not ever getting to experience what that is like. those boys will rot either in prison or hell idc.

[@yourmum955]

@@bbytiia 18 is when people are legally considered to be an adult lmao. Swear you lot are trying to get the threshold for adulthood raised all the fucking time? Is a 22yo not a woman anymore?

[@katherinebattle3780]

​@@bbytiia no tf, you're a legal adult when you turn 18💀

[@sarahjane9692]

I went to an alternative school from the age of 11-16 it was beyond HORRIBLE. The kids were so mean and viscous. I was psychically & sexually attacked by the boys. I would suggest homeschooling if you can rather than sending your child to an alternative school. Yes, I had anger issues but the kids I went to school with were extremely violent and cruel. Just a warning to people. My heart breaks for Kimberly, and the horror she went through. People Can be so evil! Stay safe everyone ❤️

[@MeghanBelhumeur]

“Trauma is not an excuse for treating people so heinously.” Let ‘em KNOW. 🗣

[@sanna9062]

It's really hard to believe that people can be this evil to their friend. Or "friend". Poor Kim.

[@rabidwolf]

How is it hard to believe? Look at all the evil the human race has done and still does. I can't not stand people their absolutely disgusting, broken, destructive monsters

[@mrsinkzn]

True , I also believe that the most Evil ppl are human beings,Obviously most really have great hearts , but then others are ( I really have no words for them ) ,poor girl,So very sad.

[@katrinacarter2019]

They dont deserve to breath ,makes my blood boil rip Kim

[@krystalwithak2889]

It's honestly not hard to believe...it's sad but not hard to believe. It be your closest friends and family that betray you.

[@laurenjane995]

Shocking that one boy that age could do something like this, let alone two boys finding each other and carrying this out with no remorse. They seem so pleased with themselves and not bothered about what they’ve done. So sad for poor Kim and her family 💔

[@destanieruiz7024]

😢🎉🎉rrr tut fruit cfg hcguhji

[@Shiba_Draws]

Unfortunately there have been murderers even younger.. James Bulger for example, a little baby boy murdered by 2 11 year old boys.

[@emilyjane5589]

Feel sympathy for the abused child they once were, & then disgust & hatred for the murderer/rapist or whatever they became after that…

[@yourmum955]

Odd. Knowing what they become they deserved the child abuse

[@samburwell8612]

Exactly I think this all the time watching true crime. I feel bad for the child that had to go through that, but not the adult they became, becoming a atrocious person. Trauma is not excuse for crime

[@bangchanIover]

exactly

[@taylorold6435]

Yes thank u. I feel like I can feel sympathy or even empathy for the person because they had a terrible childhood while also hating what they did and knowing they deserve to be held accountable to the full extent of the law. They didn’t seem to have much chance to build some of the neurological pathways that affects emotional control and empathy honestly and that’s something u learn as a kid. I know there are tons of people who go through awful things and don’t do something like this but how do we know that’s not due to genetics or something that was completely out of the person’s control? Kim is obviously the victim in this and I feel the most empathy and sympathy for her but I can’t deny the part of me that watches these kinds of videos and feel sad for the perpetrators who’s brains are wired differently either because of how they were born or what they grew up around because it’s gotta be horribly difficult to overcome all those setbacks and “become a good person”. Idk I just always feel conflicted because I don’t want to disrespect the victim of the violence of these people but I also don’t want to ignore that these criminals are people too and maybe even in jail they deserve to be treated like people cus maybe they never have been before. Don’t know if I’d feel differently if someone did something like this to my loved one but for now I will keep feeling empathy for everyone

[@iamjackspyramidshapedhelmet]

God this hits uncomfortably close to home. I have severe adhd and was unmedicated all through high school (and up until quite recently actually), and let me tell you, it wasn’t that Kim let those guys treat her horribly, she probably struggled so hard processing each scenario and couldn’t find the words to use back against them right away. It’s really hard to explain but I’m sure she knew they were horrible friends and that she deserved much better.

[@PurplePumpkin420]

I believed that she wanted to do something about it. That she wanted to stop being friends with those boys. But I don’t think she knew how to get out of it. I feel the same way with what’s going on at my school.

[@kateblack9733]

I'm autistic and I had a boyfriend and a group of friends like that and it took so much strength to cut ties from those people. Part of it was I did have an issue with confidence and I thought I deserved this. It took my parents and some of my really close friends that were my coworkers at the time to help me see that I'm a person that deserves love too. When you're bullied relentlessly especially as a young child it can really damage your brain psychologically. You almost have to retrain your brain to break these cycles of self loathing and it isn't easy especially if you're brain is still developing and you are still learning how to emotionally regulate yourself. I think Kim might have some confidence issues which caused her to struggle with getting out of this toxic friend group. Also she had a lot of empathy so she probably felt really bad for them and wanted to give them the love and patience they never received. It's all speculation because we don't know what was going through her head at the time but what we do know is that she was a beautiful person with a beautiful heart that was taken from this world far too soon. My heart goes out to the family and I hope they find some peace.

[@fern7022]

These kinds of stories hurt so bad. It’s very easy to feel how strongly loved she was. Eleanor did an amazing job at portraying how immensely kind and sweet Kim was.

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

Hello lovely Eleanor, I have a case suggestion; Okay so basically a year ago two loved teachers (Sara and Victoria) were brutally murdered by a student at our school in Sweden. There was quite a bit of coverage the first week or so and a little bit about a week ago when it was the 1 year "anniversary" of the incident, though other than that it has been pretty silent. Which is quite sad for many different reasons but people are still suffering, myself included.. and it's almost treated as if it never really happened as people don't know how to handle the situation. And this whole thing just needs to be known to help bring awareness and educate people on how to and how not to handle a situation like this if it happens again. Our school did the best that they could with dealing with the situation, but because of a lot of poor decisions we have ended up suffering because of it. I'd just love if you could talk about it as these two teachers just deserve to be known by people..they were so so lovely. The justice system actually did good for once which is a nice change. Although the final verdict took much longer than expected which was quite frankly agony. The perpetrator had two psych evaluations and both said that even if he did have something it wouldn't be enough to make him do what he did. Though people are still trying to claim he was severely autistic saying that he was acting on impulses even though he literally planned it, just the victims were random. And people feeling sorry for him (which is also a punch in the gut for the people who suffer with mental health and are in the nd community, we aren't like this) and the public throwing out all sorts of vile comments talking about race and ethnicity and being horrible rather than focusing on the two women who were horrifically taken from this world at a place where they should have been able to feel safe. Just a thought, much love. X

[@sanna9062]

This would be interesting!

[@ialreadleeknow]

As a Swede, I'd be more than thrilled if she covered this case.

[@soccerrox64]

wow! would definitely love to hear more about this case

[@Brainrot811]

what is the teachers name

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

​@@Brainrot811 Sara Böök and Victoria Edström.

[@adrianachong9029]

Chillingly what I got from him saying to his friend that the “freezer was jumping around” leads me to believe Kimberly may have regained consciousness and tried banging or kicking at the freezer door from inside.

[@l.dawson2089]

Who's Samantha?

[@adrianachong9029]

@@l.dawson2089edited: I may have been distracted as I posted the original comment 😅

[@Cerulean-Spike-Elk]

​@@adrianachong9029oml i do that all the time 🤣

[@marydungan6748]

Terrifying thought.

[@h3ilee]

the fact they FANTASIZED about this is absolutely VILE. i would think do putrid person would even think about doing this but they do, its so sad they do. its honestly heart breaking that this 18 year old girl is only 2/3 years older than me. i hope she rests in peace. ❤️🕊️

[@maddieadaddy]

Almost brought me to tears when you described her murder. It's incredibly cruel what they'd done alone, but she'd considered them her BEST FRIENDS. Absolutely horrific.

[@make-upbyromi9452]

10 years? TEN YEARS?! Has anyone involved in the ruling actually heard what they’ve done to her? Mind blown 🤯

[@creative2716]

Canada

[@Niko-lemon]

Oof, this one scared me. I felt a lot of similarities of their 'friendship' compared to my 'friends' in high school. I remember they would joke about really gross stuff all the time, and instead of using my name they would call me 'Girl', being the only girl in the group. I doubt it would have ever reached anything even similar to this case, but it's still a scary thought. The moral: don't continue to be 'friends' with people who constantly disrespect you, because that blatant disrespect has a chance to manifest physically. So glad I don't talk to any of those guys anymore. Stay safe out there, y'all.

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I had a much milder experience than that, but I was the one in the friend group that was ignored or singled out, and it was horrible. It's awful to be in that situation.

[@SouperPie.]

a similar thing happened to me too, it's never fun to deal with

[@halcyongirlmaryam]

I went through a similar experience too,it destroyed my trust for a long long time

[@playnicechannel]

My daughters are adults now, but all the time as they were growing up I’d repeatedly remind them, never be careless with another persons heart and never let anyone be careless with yours. Maybe it’s more relevant growing up as they did in Los Angeles, but they are both lovely women with extremely wonderful friends.

[@benyboi8974]

I was called “woman”

[@sadgalriri]

this happened in my home town thank you for covering it i haven’t seen anyone else besides local news cover her story. it highly impacted my community and people close to me. rip kimmy

[@echolightning604]

There's a few true crime youtubers who have covered it

[@m0urningstar]

This was such a tragedy but it's a good thing she is being remembered 🤍

[@dreadwolfrising]

Also from Langford! I was at spencer when this happened and I remember how much it devastated the community. So happy to see a large crime KZbinr cover the case

[@dripangel135]

i am so incredibly sick to my stomach. i can not imagine the unbearable pain she was enduring throughout those hours. those boys had no mercy whatsoever. that beautiful girl was only 16 and lost her life because of 2 deranged boys who she thought was her friends. i am tearing up at this.

[@IceIceBaby3310]

She was 18, but I agree it was absolutely sick and disgusting, and the fact they weren't even remorseful at all sickens me

[@Finn_the_Robin]

I hate how schools like this put kids with anxiety and kids with behavioral issues together. It actually disgusts me. I have autism and only just made it through my first year of secondary school due to anxiety and depression and ED stuff. My ED got so bad that my mum had to take me out of school. A few months later we found a school that sounded like it might have been better for me as they helped kids with anxiety but I was a little cautious bc they also delt with the behavioural stuff too. The second we walked through that door to the reception just to have a look around there was a kid screaming their head off and kicking stuff and throwing their shoes at people. I immediately wanted to leave but I was too nervous to tell my mum that so we just stayed. It was awful. Also found out u had to be supervised in the toilets to prevent SH. No thx. Anyway I never went to school again and ended up having an at home tutor literally for one hour a week. The education system is soooo messed up

[@alyssagernert5720]

i had male friends like this in high school, talk so crudely to me and be rude, sexually harass me and try to force me into other things, grateful i realized they werent friends and was able to get away, RIP Kimberly

[@kendall3105]

The first 5 minutes of this sent chills through my body. I swore Kimberly looked familiar, and then you mentioned Langford which is only a 20 minute bus ride away from me and then I remembered how her story was used to advocate for internet safety while I was growing up….

[@xoutlawzenx]

I hate how they use casess like this to advocate for safety. I mean, it's efficient and an example, but I feel like it makes such an object of the victim. Like "don't do this or you'll end up like her!!" and refuse to give more backstory about Kim. Eleanor does it better

[@kendall3105]

@@xoutlawzenx oh 100%!! The victim always just turns into an example which feels so backhanded….it’s not their fault what happened to them happened, it’s the perpetrators.

[@Sylvanwater]

That’s so odd how they just pinned this on a lack of internet safety , she knew these boys irl and they were her friends , it’s not like she was meeting up with random people all Willy nilly.

[@Shiba_Draws]

​@@Sylvanwaterexactly what I was thinking

[@creative2716]

I personally don't think kids should have access to ANY social media or internet other than very restricted and monitored educational use at school only. It is causing chaos everywhere.

[@truecrimescafe]

As a fellow True Crimes Channel, I sometimes wonder how people who plan and commit murders are able to sleep at night. I think they have defeated their conscience and as such, lack basic human empathy.

[@creativename692]

Honestly, I think people who commit torture-murders like this rarely feel any remorse. If they had any basic human empathy, they wouldn't have done it in the first place.

[@tokyotopaz3637]

@@creativename692 i agree

[@waywardwolf3000]

I personally believe that it's almost a requirement to have some kind of mental issue regarding empathy in the first place, whether that be some level of sociopathy, psychopathy or a trauma which effects the ability to process empathy , to torture another living thing in the first place.

[@yoongistongue4163]

Teenagers basically lack in empathy but especially neglected and violent teenage boys - this is bc you cut off all of the feelings and emotions that left as a copying mechanism. Add raging testosterone, substance abuse and growing up in the environment where violence is a norm and being nice is considered as weakness and here you go, you have a perfect sociopath / psychopath in the making.

[@a.evelyn5498]

@True Crimes Cafe Don’t you ever wonder about the ethics of true crime as entertainment & more so pursuing it for financial gains?

[@blondspaghettie2613]

I love how ellie is telling this sad disgusting story as she is my older sister and the fact she stays so respectful towards the victim but still has that big sister attitude

[@manasvijain8304]

I’m so sorry for your loss

[@piersnivans5983]

I love Eleanor's style, but I wish she a as more neutral instead of emotional so it felt like more of a documentary tbh but oh well

[@blondspaghettie2613]

@@manasvijain8304 I don't have a older sister I have a friend like one though and that is what I meant this is exactly like her If this was my bestie telling me this story she would do it like this I think I should of worded the comment better sorry for confusing u

[@k3ilyy]

​@Piers Nivans this is not a documentary tho lmao she is telling a pretty horribly sad story so I don't see the issue with it being emotional

[@ryelydude]

@@piersnivans5983 Go to the thousands of other channels that have the documentary vibes then.

[@beeball99]

the way they tortured and abused kim before her death is the must disgusting and infuriating thing ive ever heard. i wish nothing but the worst for them both

[@oscarthagrouch]

she seemed so sweet, and was so pretty. it’s crazy how anyone can be a target for bullying

[@luvv.kk916]

i’ve been through a lot of trauma. every single kind of abUse u can think of. i would never even THINK about doing something like this, never even crossed my mind. if anything i’ve made a promise to myself to never hurt someone like how i’ve been hurt, sad to see with other ppl the switch can flip the other way. rip kimberly she seemed so amazing:(

[@spindrifts2159]

wishing you healing and hugs, fellow survivor 💖 it takes a lot of work to give acute kindness back into the world (at least for me), but it’s worth it

[@anonymoose116]

I've been through a lot too, and same. Being hurt doesn't give a license to hurt others. My life is much happier than that of my abusers because of it.

[@miamaria4619]

The system likes to tell itself it's that simple. That if you stop kids being born in certain situations then it will stop it. But it doesn't. Devaluing life is what makes people grow up devaluing it. Desensitizing society to killing, encourages killing. Society is not encouraged to value others. I was planned/wanted. Born to married, working professionals, with no history of abuse. Who had themselves had middle class 'perfect' childhoods. It didn't stop me suffering all kinds of serious abuse at their hands. Because they had little or no consequences. But like you, I wouldn't dream of harming another.

[@luvv.kk916]

@@spindrifts2159 thanks so much, you as well 🩷

[@luvv.kk916]

@@anonymoose116 exactly omg you get it, i hope you’re okay now ml

[@lauraomairi]

I literally walked around the place they dumped her body (under the bridge and that bottom trail) like, 4x a week. This is horrifying. What a horrible thing, I hope she is at peace now and her family is doing okay. Sending them much love.

[@quicksilverlacey]

Where exactly on the trail was it

[@lauraomairi]

@@quicksilverlacey I haven't lived in the island in 3 years, but yk that part in the Galloping Goose trail where it runs along Sooke Road (and a tad of Island hwy, kinda in-between Royal Roads and Juan de Fuca)?! At lest that's what it looks like from the pictures Eleanor used, I couldn't find the exact location online. Lmk if I'm wrong tho.

[@caputinodelamour5983]

The guilty and sadness:/ I hope they are all alright tho

[@sarahbohorquez277]

this is the most heinous crime i’ve heard of. rest in eternal peace Kim. what those boys did was just pure evil, this case really moved me 😢

[@borderlinekitten]

This case makes me so angry, as someone who had a horrible childhood, it’s never ever an excuse to become a horrible person. RIP Kim, I’m so sorry this happened to you.

[@zoeleduc-wright7995]

This case takes place kitty-corner to my hometown, and it’s absolutely horrifying to know that these places I grew up in, these trails I walked as a kid, the buses I took, are the host of this absolutely gruesome and inhumane act. Who knew this little town on Van Island could have such a dark patch of history, and that this case is more or less forgotten about amongst the general population. Even I never knew about this.

[@stephaniec3619]

As a Canadian, I can attest to Langley BC as being a very safe community. This is such a sad case to hear. Thank you for covering it.

[@megdutton7327]

it was actually on the island in langford, i heard langley for a second too.

[@stephaniec3619]

@@megdutton7327 oh, I did not hear that! Thank you for correcting me. Sorry about that!

[@megdutton7327]

@@stephaniec3619 no problem :)

[@ohnoitsthenoooo]

Langford in the 2000s and early 2010s actually had sort of a rough reputation compared to the surrounding area. Not to say that it was crime ridden, just not somewhere that people would want their kids walking around at night.

[@OOPSALLCAPS]

Langley is not a safe area what?!

[@wormytan]

I'm from Victoria, British Columbia and know people who went to school with the murderers. This case is extremely close to home for me so I'm happy to hear you talking about it.

[@faisukie]

What vile boys, even with their childhoods, that’s no excuse for what they did to an innocent, empathetic, kind, beautiful girl. May she rest in peace. ❤️

[@tantalize811]

I agree. There's no excuse but it makes me think that the REASON why they behaved this way was because that was how they were treated. That's all they "knew". 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kateymowat1211]

Something I read that’s stuck with me through all of these conflicting true crime cases is, “we are allowed to empathize with the child and still convict the bad behaviour / the adult.” We are not responsible for what happens during childhood. But we are responsible for not harming others at the hands of our own experience.

[@Wixxteria]

as someone with adhd and autism who's around the same age as kim this just horrifies me. The fact that the people I trust the most could turn on me at any time terrifies me. She had her whole life ahead of her, and they took it away. I wish she knew just how much she was missed and loved, I wish nothing but the best for her family and I hope they know how many people are supporting them.

[@jente97]

Can you please do a video about Marc Dutroux? He's a Belgian serial killer who kidnapped multiple young girls and kept them in a basement in one of his properties. Some of the girls survived but some unfortunately didn't. It's a really tragic story and keeps gaining attention in the news here in Belgium because his attorney would like to get him free. Love your videos Eleanor and how you handle these tragic stories with upmost respect ❤

[@carmen8958]

i’ll never understand how someone could defend or represent a person like that! like yes obviously as a lawyer that’s your job but jesus where is their humanity?!

[@yourmum955]

@@carmen8958 You're not supposed to have humanity as an employee of the legal system, even if as jury you've got to take your humanity away. How else would it work? Otherwise it would be so easy to convict someone just by making stuff up and using a convincing sob story

[@yourmum955]

Also the fact it made it so obvious that he was involved in a paedophile ring with elites and their attempts to suppress it were laughable

[@jente97]

@@carmen8958 Me neither! His now ex-wife, who knew what he was doing, was released 10 years ago. She has been living in a convent ever since. The justice system keeps failing.

[@bellatrixofwinterfell1435]

​@Jente Jansegers even worse than that she attended law school under a fake identity. Imagine having Michelle Martin as your lawyer.....

[@erraticonteuse]

Her parents meant well, but every time I hear about someone with ADHD being taken off medication because their parents think that it "changed" them too much, I get so frustrated. They don't realize how exhausting it can be to be unmedicated, And that OTT bubbliness that they loved so much before might actually just be wearing their loved one out. My ADHD meds "changed" me, and THANK GOD, my mental health was completely shot before then.

[@lizanna6390]

Was stopping them really the only option? Do they never try working with doctors to find a balance, alternate meds or adjusting dosage. I'm juggling meds that don't work well together but not giving up stuff that helps me.

[@inkii-y]

well, I do agree but it may have been something she and her parents had agreed upon. sometimes medicating as a kid can lead to adverse affects as youre still growing- not that it cant work sometimes, but sometimes its just not good for a kid

[@geekgirl_luv4262]

Agreed, unmedicated ADHD can make school hell and can cause someone a lot of stress. If her ADHD meds were having bad side effects they could have worked with her doctor to lower the dosage or switch to a different medication.

[@leneice.ariana]

I was put on Adderall as a kid and it genuinely ruined my life. I stopped eating, stopped laughing, barely talked, got extremely depressed, and it got so bad that I tried to kill my self multiple times for YEARS. I got so depressed they kept me on Adderall and then put me on Zoloft. Then I got hospitalized because I tried to take my life, and they added lexepro, abilify, hydroxocine, prazosin, a bunch of other day-to-day shit. I was on those and experimented with much more by the time I was TWELVE. I struggled for a few years by that point i was on so many medications i was having psychosis because my brain could no longer tell when it was day or night that I started dreaming in the day and it came out as audible and visual hallucinations. I was having nightmares when I “slept” because all of my other medications were known to cause nightmares so I was constantly hallucinating nightmares and was in and out of behavioral hospitals because of that. They finally took me off Adderall at that point and switched me onto guanfacine instead. When they finally took me off all meds it was because I got hit by a car because I jumped into traffic because the voices had been telling me to for years. I went cold turkey and had crazy physical withdrawals for weeks and emotional withdrawals for up to a year after. My experience was not the best, but not the worst. And some other peoples experiences on it were great. We all have different bodies and our brain chemistry isn’t fully made up the exact same way. Adderall saved one of my cousins lives. Adderall fucked over mine for the first little bit, but it got better. I’m still recovering heavily, but each day is a gift and I appreciate another chance at being able to do something great with the life I almost lost many times. TLDR; I had a wack experience, some people had great ones, we’re not all the same and everything is a case by case.

[@Xaurii]

This happened in my town :( it was when I was pretty young and didn't understand what had happened(i was 10) but it shook the entire community, and its still something that a lot of people remember. My heart goes out to her family to this day, Kimberly was a wonderful woman

[@dreadwolfrising]

This happened in my hometown when I was in middle school. One of my family friends was part of Kim's friendgroup at Westshore Academy (the specialized school she moved to). Thank you for bringing life to her and talking about her love for animals. I wish her killers would fade into obscurity and that they rot in prison. Kim deserved more and was from all accounts I've heard was an amazing, kind, and caring friend, with a really cool taste in music and a great sense of humour.

[@eviemary4955]

TW this case really resonates with me as someone who was bullied relentlessly. They pretended to be my friend for months and once i’d formed an attachment they turned on me. They used to try and arrange fights, said they hoped i’d get SA’d, went into detail about killing me and more. I don’t know if they have the capability for murder, but i do know i’m still shaken up by the whole thing. like you said, as a girl it is so scary to attempt to defend yourself and for that reason i never did, i also felt like i must’ve deserved it. that poor girl and all she went through because of those monsters, i hope they’re never ever released

[@m1la321]

I love Eleanor’s video and how respectful she is about the victim and the family

[@volusize]

If you like Eleanor channel checkout Emma Kenny

[@jennyB07]

Here y’all go with your comments fishing for likes that have absolutely nothing to do with the case at all 🙄 You do this with every single video like..

[@th3softmoon]

​@@jennyB07literally.

[@ifredbenson]

@@jennyB07 huh?

[@Leolux-nx3md]

@@jennyB07 wtf are you talking about

[@juju1630]

the way she delivers information is actually amazing

[@marrrst]

Wow, I live not only in Canada but just hours from Langford and feel terrible that I had never heard of this case. Poor Kimberly. While I understand that Canada tries to 'rehabilitate' and doesn't do full life sentences, it does drive me crazy that they were able to be eligible for parole so soon after they took poor Kimberly's life. They're clearly dangerous and were old enough to know better, despite being young. I hope they don't get out and I hope Kimberly's family has found some peace.

[@cassandradube-savard5213]

I live in Canada as well, I never heard of Kimberly case before until today. Yes our justice system is not the best I wished they served life in prison

[@leorafilms.]

yeah i live around 3 hours from langford. i was so shocked that id never heard of such a vile crime that happened a single short drive away

[@McCammalot]

@@alpha1solace I believe it's 25 TO life, as in you can get 25 if you behave but your whole life in there if you don't behave? I think. Of course it will be different in different countries or districts.

[@michaeladelong7315]

They do have a life sentence. They will be monitored for life. But I agree, I don't think they should have been eligible for parole so soon. Honestly, this is one of those cases that parole shouldn't be an option, but we don't have that in Canada. At some point, they MAY get parole, and they will be on parole until the day they day. BUT I hope they stay in prison and they may very well be there for the rest of their life.

[@Ghost_Token]

I live in Lang and hearing that name gave me the most severe panic/anxiety attack I’ve ever had (that’s saying a lot)

[@JourneyThroughInfertility]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COVERING THIS!!! I’m a local. I used to work with Kimmie’s mom. She’s a truly wonderful woman ❤️ We are all terrified that Kruse and Cameron will get out.

[@creative2716]

Write letters to the parole board stating how you feel. And include that they could influence other kids to act alike, copycat to be 'cool'.

[@FxckMondays]

I really hate the stigma around people with past trauma, like the shootings in America a few years back, the media focused on his adoption and that he was autistic and used it almost as an excuse, I'm both and I wouldn't dream of doing anything like that. This poor girl died because they were monsters, past trauma or not. its so heartbreaking.

[@frenkli9815]

As a person with ADHD and anxiety and a learning disability I've been to a school like the type Kimberly went to and honestly not saying all but majority of the kids with behavioral issues were a disadvantage to the school and all the other kids who wanted to come there to learn. Of course there were kids with behavioral issues who were just acting out but not really a threat to everyone but also there were the kinds who had no respect for anyone but themselves like these 2 boys. Good thing is those kids were mean/a bit agressive but not really violent. For a kid who was suffering so much already it's horrible to have to deal with this added stress like Kimberly did. RIP Kimberly

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I completely agree. My mom used to teach in a place like that and she had kids who were survivors of meningitis so they had physical or cognitive impairments, and then a kids like one who set his sister on fire and burnt her to death when he was about 12 (the sister was 3). I feel like it's such a detriment to all involved to just lump kids with learning or physical disabilities, mood disorders, general mental health concerns, severe behavioural problems and personality disorders all in one pot. It's not tailored to anyone's needs then, which is what that kind of special support should be. It implies that there's "normal education" and "abnormal." It doesn't help the kids that have behaviour issues and need intensive counselling and support, and it certainly doesn't help the kids who could be in actual danger around violent individuals when they're trying to learn.

[@missedflowers]

I'm from Langford... as soon as I saw Eleanor was doing this case, my heart stopped. I was only in sixth grade when this case happened, and I didn't know anyone involved in this case, but it's still had such a big impact on our community. Knowing that these two horrifying people can be released from prison at any time is absolutely terrifying. I pray they never will be.

[@tommyadelaide310]

I absolutely adore Eleanor’s passion and respect towards the victim

[@michellelowe7082]

I can't imagine how this has affected her parents 💔 they moved her from the first school where she was having problems and was horribly bullied only for the 2nd school that they hoped would make her life better and safer to end up being where she was murdered😢

[@victoriac3058]

Still can’t wrap my head around Kruse hating his father for a crime he committed and ending up doing the exact same but with his best friend. Sick. My heart goes out for Kim, may she rest in peace.

[@shannooony]

This case is absolutely heartbreaking! I hope she's at peace now 😢💔 Also, I just want to thank you for doing research on ADHD for this case. It's still so misunderstood and as someone that is currently waiting for a diagnosis. I relate to Kim's struggles. In school I found it hard to concentrate. Easily distracted and overestimulated. I was put into lower set classes to 'help' but it didn't do anything as I was then put in classes with kids that were naughty and didn't want to learn. I had no help whatsoever. It's such a horrible thing to live with 😢

[@jamieoxley1844]

I felt really connected to Kim, I experienced the same kind of bullying for years and I know first hand how it breaks you down, even now almost a decade later, those comments still stick with me. I’ll never under how people can just be so cruel for seemingly no reason.

[@hayleygarrison9222]

I feel that it is perfectly okay to feel sympathy for the child that a "bad person" once was, and no sympathy for the adult they grew up to be.

[@imafrog6179]

While the murders may have had a tough childhood, I have absolutely no remorse for them. Just the thought of being trapped in a freezer and slowly losing air while freezing made me feel sick. Those monsters should be locked up for life. R.I.P Kimberly Proctor 🕊️ 🪦

[@scarletthotovec5523]

I really appreciate that you put pictures throughout the video rather than just at the beginning. I like to see pictures of those involved, but I usually listen when I'm doing something like on a walk on lunch or getting ready, so I usually miss the visuals in the beginning. So thank you!

[@cassidyheath9446]

I spent a few years going to school in Langford and the bullying that has gone on on Vancouver island is disgusting. I highly suggest googling Reena Virk. What happened to her can keep you up at night. Thank you for covering this case.

[@Nemesis9K]

I’ve used the Galloping Goose trail my whole life as a lifelong resident. I can’t believe I have never heard of this tale. I was 14 and living in the area when it happened. A few of my friends went to her school. I can’t believe no one was talking about this. I wish I could know the exact location on the trail, to go and pay my respects now. She was likely a friend of a friend of mine back then.

[@KatLiiinnn]

The bridge is on the section of the goose that runs between Wale rd and Atkins ave. I went to school with the kids that found her and I’ll never forget the weeks following her murder

[@Nemesis9K]

@@KatLiiinnn I suspected that spot too! Thank you for the info

[@Jess-Rabbit]

I've heard this story a couple times and it always deeply disturbs me, more than some other cases. Just thinking of the betrayl and confusion she must have felt during the crime is horrific on its own. Knowing that 2 of her friends want to cause her so much harm...it makes me so depressed

[@kmaxxwell]

So glad that someone is covering this! I live in Victoria and i vividly remember when this happened. this case shook our entire community and is hands down one of the most heinous crimes I have ever come across.

[@ohnoitsthenoooo]

This was in my city and I remember watching the news as this case was playing out. We were close in age and had some similar interests and experiences with bullying (canadian schools were awful for bullying in those days) so as a teen I remember being really invested in this case, and thinking about how easily it could have been me, or any of us vulnerable girls. Such a heartbreaking situation and I feel so awful for her family because they really seem so lovely

[@KathyTrithardt]

I literally yelled "WHAT?!" very loudly in my German hotel room during this intro because when I am not traveling, I live in Langford, Canada. Also, I remember the discovery of this body shortly after I had moved out of this area, so I spent the first 30 minutes of the video going, "wait, is this the case where the body was found on the Galloping Goose?"

[@MarStarzzz]

Kruse: I hate my dad for murdering a young girl Also Kruse: Let’s go murder a young girl!

[@badnewsbecs]

This hits me especially hard, along with a lot of us neurodivergents here, I see. I had some ‘friends’ like this, and knew some guys like this later, after high school, and even now into my 30s. Always trust your gut…monsters aren’t always mean and they won’t ever stop until they get what they want.

[@jaderaianne]

so sad my grandma babysat her when she was in elementary school and middle school she told me that Kimberly would wear cat ears all the time she had a passion for cats and animals RIP Kim

[@bonnietoups2446]

Eleanor, you have such a natural talent & flow to telling these stories! It offsets the horrific events in a way that makes it tolerable to listen to such senseless tragedies.

[@ameiless]

This reminds me of a friendship I had with the “bad boy” in middle school. I had a crush on him, he found out and asked me out. Then we realized we had no chemistry and I broke it off. Luckily instead of deciding to murder me, he just decided to put me in a gc with all his friends and have them cyber bully me :) Edit: omg I just realized that they murdered her on my birthday😢

[@gloomyAlexa]

That sounds horrible :( I’m so sorry you had to go through that, I hope you know that you did not deserve that! Sending hugs 💘

[@ameiless]

@@gloomyAlexa thank you 💕💕

[@MontanaMacLeod]

I grew up on the island and moved from it in 2010, when I was 11.Somehow never heard of this but was so weird hearing a story in my old tromping grounds… so sad they did this on the galloping goose some of my best memories were on there! (It’s a bike bath that goes all over the city and is beautiful)

[@ruthrandall2451]

This reminds me so much of the Anna Kriegel murder. It is so very sad and disturbing on both accounts 😢

[@karisbish]

The pants party 😭 you deserve a medal for being able to read and say that out loud

[@ReginaCordium722]

the lyric (i think by marina and the diamonds) "i'm not afraid of god, i am afraid of men" will forever play in my mind whenever i hear men talk. they absolutely would've continued their violence if they hadn't been caught. they wouldn't have stopped until they were forced to stop.

[@emilyrendor9329]

Thank you el I love you. You’re with me everyday and you have been for years. You don’t know how much you mean to me and how much you have helped me. You’re so respectful and yet entertaining. The balance you have between professional and just feeling like my best friend is astonishing. Thank you for everything including helping me through some of my shit times. Love to you and the team. ❤

[@franklantic]

A terrible childhood is never an excuse.

[@ludofratta2328]

I'm just at the beginning, but damn were her parents supportive. Many parents don't realize that kids have adhd and dismiss it as being a bit extra dramatic or lazy, so for them to put her under medication and deciding to not settle for that when it wasn't good and changed school was so good. It seems like the bare minimum, but many would be surprised how rare that is

[@abigailmccartnie]

You’re very well spoken with how you explained some of the more sensitive details of this case, I can tell you put a lot of care into the words you choose to use. Well done :)

[@buttnakedinthestreetz]

hi eleanor!! could u maybe cover the murder of suzanne capper? my parents knew her and her case, as gruesome as it is, i feel is very unknown. it received little publication as the trial began the same time as the murder of james bulger. i’d really love to see a video on it.

[@zamouri8744]

I think she had already covered that case.

[@buttnakedinthestreetz]

@@zamouri8744 she hasn’t! i’ve checked.

[@owl4260]

Emma Kenny and Danielle Kirsty covered it if you're interested.

[@sebrinadunkle741]

@owl Danielle’s video is very good about it she’s great with her presentation!

[@caputinodelamour5983]

Suzane as the one from brazil?

[@mcowley895]

I like the phrase 'conflict of sympathy'. A lot of the time you see criminals having these absolutely awful childhoods. It's not an excuse to do things that they do later on, but it's important to still feel sympathetic for the child that those traumas happened to.

[@thetanz8111]

I appreciate the fact that you're not scared to say certain words, you present the story like you would to a friend, you don't edit out curse words, I love your accent (I'm a southern american from Tennessee so I appreciate a good accent). I love true crime stuff and yeah...I really like the way you present the cases. You're respectful while being yourself. I subbed

[@lindas42961]

Also, when Cam and Cruze were on the back of the police van, they were joking around and laughing about something on the show "Family Guy," Shows literally how immature and how heartless they really are 😢

[@vanillawaffler4706]

Choked up on this case. I can’t imagine the absolute agony, pain, and fear this poor girl went through. This case truly breaks my heart. Rest easy Kim. This was very disturbing. No empathy for those boys whatsoever. I hope they never get parole.

[@kpdmey]

I love her so much her voice is so calm and she always explains it so well

[@xbeckyx.]

Can we talk about how STUNNING Eleanor is

[@Laura-xl6sc]

I felt sick when you started describing her torture… rest in piece Kimberly 🕊️ she will be remembered as the sweet girl she was

[@lindsaycaldwell2276]

I grew up about 20 minutes away from Langford... back in the day it was called Lang-hole. The area was rough (they've given it quite the face lift since then)... as for the galloping goose trail it's got a bad reputation too! You DO NOT take it at night ever.

[@michaeladelong7315]

This happened so close to me. She was a friend of a friend and I live a 5 minute walk from where it happened. I know who found her body, and then worked in the prison system. I'm shocked that more true crime Channels haven't covered this murder.

[@atessaflamand4185]

I didn’t look at what case this was based on and my mouth dropped when you said Langford because thats my hometown. Thank you for sharing her case!

[@jamieevans85]

I grew up in Langford and still live here and I remember when this happened the whole Community was devastated and furious what this poor girl went through ! I hope these little shits never get out !

[@emmamunro7208]

Me too, how disturbing. That poor girl 😢

[@Kxii77813x]

They are already out on parole 😢

[@KatLiiinnn]

@@Kxii77813x no they’re not. Kruse was just denied day parole for the third time last year

[@MariAnimates]

Kim's treatment reminds me a lot of my friends in middle school, I was the only girl in a group of friends. And I had a crush on a boy M. Like I had it bad, I was gonna confess to him but I couldn't do it through my voice so I wrote this really sweet and sappy and personal letter. I went on and on about how M was always kind and defended me. My other "friends" found out about my crush and stole the letter, then planned a hangout to get us all together. So we're all in a group and the ring leader S pulls out a very familiar envelope and reads it out loud to the WHOLE group. I was mortified, embarrassed, sad, and angry. My confession was ruined and I was being humiliated. M chewed the hell out of the group for it, and then he turned to S and said "how could you do this shit? You know I liked her!" Fast-forward we leave the group and find new friends. M returned my confession but it didn't go the way we both would've wanted it. Still dating today. But this story really brought up those memories

[@kiiikaaaaaaaaaa7099]

I’m glad you’re alive

[@MariAnimates]

@@kiiikaaaaaaaaaa7099 me too!

[@yourmum955]

That's cringe, the group and your letter

[@MariAnimates]

@@yourmum955 I mean I couldn't say it to his face but I wanted to say it somehow. I don't know what else you expected me to do. It was supposed to be a private thing. Also I was in middle school, so excuse me for being cringe

[@yourmum955]

@@MariAnimates Yeah but cringe innit. That's why I keep all feelings towards others hidden

[@zwaggerblack543]

Been there done that. I have bpd, aspd, and cptsd because of CSA( professionally diagnosed). There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for murder.

[@tattedupluv]

💙 I love the way you compile your research and make your scripts. You make it sound like you witnessed the details or, like, you actually knew the people involved. The victim especially, the way you describe them really makes the viewer feel connected to them, humanizes them, and touches the viewer's heart. 💙