Electric car chargers aren't chargers at all - EVSE Explained

[@TechnologyConnections]

THERE HAS BEEN SOME NEWS. Tesla won the plug war. I made a video which you can watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHuyl6yDeKqtoLM Most of the info in this video remains correct (the technology is pretty basic, after all), but a different plug will almost certainly be on the end of the cable in the future.

[@maxnatamo]

Props for going back and giving an update!

[@wongcw08]

Only for the US 😅 As always. We have 3 phase power supply.

[@glennda5id]

They won the plug war then fired the super charging team!

[@w00ty32]

Such a fucking complete tragedy that Tesla won this with such a garbage product.

[@jeremygeorgia4943]

"A contactor is simply an electromagnetic switch." Oh relay?

[@MajorOutage]

lol, did the same thing after he explained what the "contactor" was. A relay by any other name...

[@300DBenz]

Bravo, excellent wordplay!

[@BoopBobBeep]

Watt are you saying?!

[@ratdude747]

@Richard Vaughn Also, typically contactors are force-guided (all contacts on a single actuator ensuring all move at the same time, not a matchbook-like set of disconencted contact arms), making them doubly useful as elements in safety circuits (which usually stipulate all relays to be force guided). Depending on the load and timing requirements (mainly an issue with safety circuits), contactors can be troublesome (burnt contacts). In this case, since current isn't usually being shut on or off by the contactor itself, likely the amount of contact wear is minimal.

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

That is SO-lenoid cool!

[@definitelynotobama6851]

How on earth does this man consistently make 40 minute videos that I am perfectly willing to watch through completely?

[@gregbailey45]

Coz he's good.

[@coolest10293]

Because it’s funny

[@btplaysfortnite]

-Ikr

[@ZA-mb5di]

Yes

[@acidspit14]

Cause his videos are quality from A to Z.

[@devinholland2189]

The standard is also being added to golf carts, they use lead acid batteries so may require ventilation.

[@nslouka90]

They’re always outside so it shouldn’t be an issue

[@kaine2416]

@@nslouka90 As a former maintenance engineer for many hotels and multifamily housing, I can tell you that 100% of golf carts, in those industries at least, are stored and charged in either an attached or detached garage.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

@@kaine2416 Indeed. Or in tiny unventilated tin sheds :\ or is that just in the UK lol

[@ToastGamingNCrew]

Lots of things use lead acid batteries, lots of things aren't technically "well ventilated" but hey, what's safety when the chance of it going off is so small that it'd be more expensive to build a ventilated room or structure to accomadate it

[@nslouka90]

I don’t even remember this comment but the state I live in had a law passed a few years ago, some cities didn’t allow large batteries to be stored inside because they couldn’t get ventilation, a notable fire broke out inside a house full of batteries and when the fire department went inside to extinguish the fire the batteries exploded.

[@jazzdirt]

"This is not a drill" shirt hitting the nail on the head...

[@Roxasedge]

"Integrity of the protected earth" is the most mystical sounding thing I've ever heard you say

[@Ironic1950]

Protective earth actually...

[@Bacopa68]

Sounds like something an interplanetary General Ripper would say.

[@Dargonhuman]

Yep, that one took me a second listen to realize what he was talking about.

[@failstreet99]

It's a good album name

[@h2oaddict]

@@Ironic1950 Isn't l1 phase 1, l2 phase 2, and pe earth+neutral? I don't live in the US...

[@ttd972]

"Let's not get any more pedantic than this video is already guaranteed to be" - that's why I love this channel

[@3nertia]

++

[@mr.pavone9719]

I bet more people would go into technician jobs if more people like him taught the classes.

[@lucasatilano8008]

Spot on, this guy is pedantic af but he has good explanations

[@sirstriped5233]

By the same logic of the charger. Doesn't that make even phone chargers not really chargers? All they do is connect us to the electric grid. 3 second after typing this... He talked about phone chargers...

[@nickharrison3748]

wow..I read your comment as he spoke this sentence

[@mx0r]

“Not a lot really!”... looks at timestamp: 27 minutes. This gonna be juicy!

[@z50king29]

Yeah, that's a long video for not much inside the case

[@3possumsinatrenchcoat]

"but let's not get any more pedantic than this video is already guaranteed to be!" *checks timestamp* 0:30/27:19 :")

[@oliverer3]

Oh shit didn't even realized I'd been watching for so long!

[@maskettaman1488]

4 minutes of content, 23 minutes of off-base complaining . Not as juicy as you'd expect

[@filminginportland1654]

z50king29 Yes but we all watch anyway, don’t we?

[@bwizz1319]

As an embedded software engineer in the automotive space who works for an EV company, this was a pretty good explanation. Well done!

[@MIchaelArlowe]

Ngl that sounds like an amazing job.

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@MIchaelArlowe Can confirm it's not always that great, but it has its moments. Explaining to people that it's a lot more complex than they'd expect is the hardest part of the job.

[@michaelstarkey9745]

Ty 4ur comment

[@ke6mt]

Awesome video, as usual. A comment on the ventilation thing: I had a unit similar to this one in an aircraft hangar, used to charge the batteries on an electric tug. They were lead acid and, like you mentioned, required some ventilation while charging.

[@Ironic1950]

Lead-acid batteries evolve hydrogen when overcharged, removing water from the dilute sulphuric acid electrolyte. Even maintenance-free sealed lead acid batteries have a rubber plug that allows the hydrogen gas to escape if the pressure gets too high. This is why ventilation is required...

[@clahey]

Because the accessory battery is in the passenger cabin in Priuses, there's a little tube to vent any generated gas.

[@docferringer]

@@clahey Sounds like a good reason to quit smoking!

[@alex8nasa]

Yeah, our forklifts require ventilation.

[@bobjoe-bv2vc]

I worked in a warehouse where they had hydrogen sensors over the charging bays. They would get set off occasionally even though they were 50ft above the floor.

[@BRUXXUS]

I propose the charging standard be called HDCC: Handy Dandy Car Charger

[@ntsecrets]

SelectaCharge

[@WorBlux]

Autocharging beyond belief!

[@t_c5266]

is that like america's new "super duper missile" ??

[@guiorgy]

ChargoVision

[@GewelReal]

can't wait for Dodge's Charger

[@k29king1]

I love this channel because this guy has an intelligent sense of humor, and explains things in terms without making the viewer feel stupid while learning. And he’s a smart ass too, lol. The sheer amount of sarcasm he displays is entertaining in itself.

[@WilliamMelton617]

YAAASSSS

[@lStephen99]

It does make me feel stupid watching the way that he teaches, it's not everybody's kind of learning unfortunately

[@cristinsunshine1067]

I didn't understand what he was saying so i felt /feel pretty stupid 😆

[@gregbailey45]

@@lStephen99 it helps if you took notice in your science class at school.

[@gregbailey45]

@@cristinsunshine1067 a sad indictment of your education system.

[@johnpoldo8817]

As an EE with over 30 yrs experience and 2nd Tesla owner, I must commend you on an outstanding explanation of EVSEs. So good that I was compelled to subscribe. I think some of the vendors make their unit big to justify a high price. The same technology is in mobile chargers which are considerably smaller.

[@psikogeek]

With an EE degree and experience in test engineering, this video made me appreciate EVSEs as safety devices not switches. Yes, I'm abnormal.

[@katiemorison7969]

Congrats on being a mobile network

[@yagobueno2785]

I really love how easy it is to understand everything that is being said because the diction is perfect for non-fluent English speakers. I can usually understand 80 ~ 85% directly and the rest by context. Subtitles help me a lot in new terms and at the end of the video there are those final comments, just wonderful. As simple Brazilian as I love this kind of dedication. Thank you!

[@IronShocker77]

Another brazilian learning English with Technology Connections here! 😄👍 The content is always so interesting that i don't even notice time passing by. Lately I've been trying to read the subtitles before him to practice my pronunciation.

[@eugenetswong]

I am a native English speaker, and I don't think that you can understand the rest by context. You would need to be an electricity expert.

[@fanime1]

@@eugenetswong actually as an English speaker myself, I find the Tech Connections does an amazing job at explaining how technology works even though I'm not an electrician by any means. It also depends on how good your context skills are. I find that everyone has a different level. My father encouraged me to read all my life but got annoyed whenever I asked what a word meant and told me to get a dictionary. The dictionary we had was huge and it was annoying to constantly look up words I never heard of. So I just used context clues to figure out what the words meant. While we are taught about context clues at elementary school, not everyone practices the skill. My sister, for example, never got into reading and she has terrible context skills. So it's possible your context skills just aren't as strong as op's, but that doesn't invalidate op's experience.

[@eugenetswong]

@@fanime1 It's possible, but are sure that you just aren't aware of how little/much you know? I mean how would you know what a collector or emitter is just by staring at a transitor while listening to somebody? If the person only ever said "over there", then would you be able to identify which of the parts is a collector/emitter? I think that you aren't trying to be insulting, so I won't take it as such. It is true that my skills could much worse than I anticipated. That being said, I taught English as a second language, and was trained to do it. I also learned French by studying Le Petite Robert 2007, and studying it in grade school, and watching movies, and listening to French nursery rhymes, and reading the Bible in French. I would describe my French skills to be at an intermediate level. I also speak a little Mandarin, and learned *about* [i.e.: not learned to speak] classical Hebrew & Greek. I promise you that I am not being sarcastic, and I am fully aware that fluent speakers of multiple languages can struggle to pick up cues...but I also believe that confident people might over estimate their comprehension. If I gave you a test on every single word in this video, then would you be able to give a full definition of every word? I accept that you can give me the gist of each definition, but proper definition? I'm genuinely curious.

[@simonmustermann6845]

@@eugenetswong I think he means that he understands the rest of the words by context, even if he might not understand 100% acoustically. That does not mean one understands every technical detail, but that you understand everything you need to follow the video.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

The additional function of the PP pin is to tell the car the current rating of the cable itself

[@smartroadbiker]

hehe you said peepee (sorry my inner child made a showing there) ;)

[@106640guy]

@@smartroadbiker haha your pp is a tiny pin

[@Fasteroid]

haha pp pin

[@TechnologyConnections]

I actually almost talked about this! The reason I ultimately didn't was because in the North American market the EVSE almost universally has its own cordset, so that part of the spec is almost irrelevant.

[@GregHassler]

It's not an additional function, proximity detection and proximity pilot are two completely different things. He used the wrong terminology. There is no proximity pilot on Type 1 J1772. The cable tells the EVSE, not the car, its rating. Then the EVSE advertises the lesser of the two to the car.

[@dralfonzo24]

Your channel is my absolute favorite thing on youtube right now. I've always been the "dad knowledge" kind of guy in my family, so watching you overly explain semi-useful stuff always makes me super excited. Thx for the amazing content.

[@mandisaplaylist]

12:40 Exactly. Specifically, this is used in industrial settings where lead-acid battery powered equipment is pretty common (because in industrial settings user convenience is not that important than in electric vehicles). I believe this is an effort to standardize electric vehicle charging across these very diverse applications. Additionally in these industrial applications there may be other types of batteries who need to do wacky things when being charged. Like some batteries that need to shed quite a bit of heat and stuff like that.

[@AstoundingAmelia]

Yeah, also for things like electric drag cars the battery may be li-po and may require ventilation for safety just in case any forbidden pillows occor

[@aarons7975]

Lead acid needs ventilation. THIS is exactly why this feature is there, so the charger truly IS universal, it handles all the technologies, and still offers the safety. BTW Lead Acid is NOT going away in industry either. Fork trucks MUST have that heavy weight on them as counterbalance so they can pick up what they do without tipping over. IF taken care of properly LA batteries will last for many YEARS, so warehouses are not going to dump the extra bucks into lithium and THEN have to dump even more dollars for a counterweight to use their equipment when they can just get the cheap LA battery and be done with a tried and proven tech.

[@ncandrew9159]

Guess who works as a mapping specialist for an electric utility! 😏 (insert smug flashing lights here) So totally taking these ideas to our economic development director. Thanks as always Alec for the awesome job and insight!👍🏼

[@loganvanderwier8866]

Hey, I'm a first year engineering student. I have to do a report on some technical problem, and this is a really cool idea. Do you mind if I "interview" you once I have done a little preliminary research?

[@ncandrew9159]

Hey Logan, sure-I’d be happy to help you out if I can in some way; have you got an email address I can reach you at?

[@loganvanderwier8866]

@@ncandrew9159 Thanks man! [e-mail]

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Good luck pushing the blue whale to the finishing line! (comment on the inertia of large organizations, not a fat joke.)

[@MinecraftBPs]

@@MonkeyJedi99 They're startin to move thankfully (from a European standpoint). ISO15118 is a thing (or will be soon)

[@uss_04]

“So why does my car charge slower at home using the included cable, than at work?” “Because you haven’t upgraded to level two yet. Don’t worry, it’s just a Phase”

[@user-tm3fz7qx3s]

Just stop.

[@lourias]

LOL. I got that "phase" joke. A very electrifying joke!

[@KieranMullen]

120v and 240v single phase there is also 3 phase 240 Used primarily in industrial facilities to provide power for three-phase motor loads, and in utility power distribution applications. Nominal service voltages of 240, 400, 480, 600, and higher are typical.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@lourias I'm shocked at the reception given to US's pun.

[@uss_04]

bllourias Some like it, some dont. I guess it’s Polarizing.

[@TechnologyConnections]

Hi! There has been news. In May of 2023, Ford signaled their intent to switch to Tesla's connector beginning with cars made in 2025. Assuming they go through with the decision, that will make the charging landscape somewhat more fractured - but CCS networks have a sucky reputation right now, and I honestly can't blame Ford for wanting to sidestep that. Still, I have very mixed feelings about it. Time will tell what this means for charging moving forward, and on account of me not seeing this coming, I won't bother making any other predictions.

[@jeesjees2]

I wonder how EU managed to get this done. Here all new(ish) Teslas have a CCS plug.

[@TechnologyConnections]

Regulation isn't a dirty word over there.

[@bengellen1479]

@@TechnologyConnections It is when it comes to the rates for charging. But let's ignore that for now.

[@LarsJacobsenDK]

Tesla seem to go the Apple way.

[@ataphelicopter5734]

A prehistoric comment? What is this, a Tom Scott video?

[@philmccole4309]

I am a retired power plant Chief Electrician/Control Technician, 45 years working with electrical equipment and controls. This is an excellent video!! Big help understanding new (to me) tech, simple as it is. Thanks!

[@MrPiki-xm1zo]

I'm waiting for USB-C charging electric cars.

[@Vyckaxxx]

it will happen once super-conductors go mainstream.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

@@Vyckaxxx unless you have an apple car. Then you'll need a lightning connector

[@oplkfdhgk]

You could do this with e bikes because they use so little power . But the charger needs to be usb c pd charger. You would get about 5km of range per hour . (You need usb c pd sink and possibly cc cv boost converter)

[@oplkfdhgk]

Well you could do it without usb c pd but i think it would be too slow that way

[@RowdyElectron]

TheChipmunk2008 and the apple car doesn't include the charger

[@AnalogueKid2112]

First, thank you for mentioning the Ford Focus Electric! I love my FFE and wish more people knew about them. Second, I politely disagree with the NEMA 6-50 recommendation. NEMA 14-50 is a better solution only because it is *very* common at campgrounds and RV parks. This means you’ve got an existing infrastructure that is quite ubiquitous in rural areas and allows EVs to travel further afield than the traditional DCFC network goes today.

[@TechnologyConnections]

Part of why I recommend a 6-50 is that it doesn't need a neutral and so simplifies wiring a bit. But for sure, if you wanted to get something more akin to a cord set that can be taken with you, perhaps a 14-50 is a better idea. Truthfully I don't know which is more common in the EVSE space.

[@ohiobrian79]

@@TechnologyConnections seems to be about 50/50 (see what I did there?) I have a JuiceBox and it uses 14-50.

[@TheCritic-MMA]

@@TechnologyConnections Teslas actually came with a 14-50 adaptor for their included portable connector until just recently, which made them extra common. Now Teslas just come with 5-15 but it's swappable and you can buy almost any higher modern North American style plug for it, I think each is about $40.

[@sparkyb6]

@@TechnologyConnections My JuiceBox uses a 14-50. I think when advocating for wall outlets to be installed in all garages, it makes more sense to install 14-50 outlets because they will support EVSEs that need the 14-50's neutral (and thus 120V circuit). I don't know too much about electrical codes, but presumably you could use some kind of plug adapter or alternate cable to connect a simpler EVSE like yours that doesn't need the neutral into a 14-50 outlet (and just not use the neutral) whereas the other way around you'd have a problem.

[@Meton2526]

I came here to say this. The other advantage of installing a 14-50 is that you can buy a passive adapter (just some metal pins in plastic case,) to convert 14-50 to 6-50 since all you're doing is changing the physical arrangement and leaving out the neutral; the reverse is only possible if your device has a 14-50 plug but makes no use of neutral, which is a great way to blow up your electronics if you're wrong.

[@Legolas1717]

"I'm designed for 10,000 insertion and removal events" is a solid pickup line.

[@Peter_S_]

That's a very incelish comment.

[@zeroeffortmemes]

😏

[@jan.tichavsky]

That's really low rating for a human, would be pretty off putting as pickup line

[@Tahngarthor]

10,000 plug/unplug events seems really low. I mean, the keys on my keyboard are all rated for far more press/unpress events than that, so it seems like a clearly more heavy-duty plastic and solid metal pin contraption ought to be able to withstand more than that.

[@Boss_Tanaka]

Tahngarthor assuming you plug and unplug once a day, the connector would last at least 27 years. So 10000 plug/unplug events may be low but it s more than enough for normal use.

[@thelement3363]

It feels like i absorbed the information. Like it was delivered in a natural form. Thanks for the care you put into what you give.

[@cnaumann35801]

Excellent video! Thanks! I would recommend installing a NEMA 14-50 (120V/240V) outlet instead of a NEMA 6-50 240V outlet. It is trivial to convert from a 14-50 to 6-50 outlet, but not the other ways around. The 14-50 is big with RVs, the 6-50 is big with welders. I would also suggest installing the wiring for a 50A circuit instead of a 40A for future proofing. The extra 10A would better serve multi EV household with load sharing. The extra material is fairly trivial. All Teslas come with a J1772 adapter.

[@NoTimeForThatNow]

I did just that with my wiring and socket, and was expecting someone to mention the car comes with the adapter!

[@markwhitis]

Agreed. Gives you both ground and neutral and allows you to use 120v or 240v devices or a mix of the two and is more common. Supports a broader range of uses: washing machines, driers, welders, RVs, construction power breakouts, EVs, air conditioners, stationary power tools, etc.

[@drwhoeric]

I also agree with the NEMA 14-50 receptacle and to also note both receptacles are rated for either 40 amp or 50 amp peak loads, depending on wiring and matching breaker size. Adding a 50 amp breaker requires a minimum 6 gauge copper wire to be used and main panels with a 125 disconnect or sub-panels with anything smaller would be pushing the envelope for appliances combined with charging, therefore many times it is not practical to put a 50 amp breaker.

[@ncdave4life]

Agreed. Three-wire 240V outlets (like NEMA 6-50) have been out of fashion (and I think out of code) in the USA for twenty-five years. Install the four-wire 14-50, and then if you need to plug in a 3-wire 240v plug, you can just use a Nema 14-50P to 6-50R "Welder Adapter Cord," (about $24 on Amazon).

[@moodberry]

I was thinking the exact same thing, since I have an RV on my property, and may in the future buy an electric car.

[@RedShift5]

TC: this a fancy lightswitch Siemens engineers who worked hard on making this a safe and visually attractive device: crying cat thumbs up

[@Lunageldia]

Always appreciate product design! Somebody worked really hard on that!

[@dragonick2947]

It's a very stylish light switch, at least.

[@davorinzuerich]

Look at the Easee Home, if you want to talk about visually attractive charge points. Siemens designwise, really did a terrible job in my eyes.

[@flyingyakdeath]

@@Lunageldia working hard on something does not make it a good design

[@gregbailey45]

@@davorinzuerich beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

[@WizardTim]

‎Alec: “Those are basically just fancy light switches” Siemens: “That will be US$800” Me with a light switch and box of resistors: 🤔

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

Tim, no.

[@gui18bif]

@@Mostlyharmless1985 YES

[@KlueBat]

Add a contactor in there and you might just be in business!

[@SteveRowe]

You'll need a square wave generator of some sort also. Like @Technology Connections said, an Arduino, a contactor, and a middle-schooler. The 10 AWG wire is expensive, but it isn't $500. However, if it isn't UL certified in the US and your house burns down, your insurance will likely not pay.

[@ralanham76]

Also the handle has switches so it knows when you're about to unplug it and stop the charge I tried to build one myself and the handle was $100 by itself so I decided to buy a refurbished Nissan leaf one that I could program what amps I wanted off of and still works years later

[@jerrykazin6722]

I am an EE and was a bit confused as to why the EV industry calls the connection to the cars a charger. After watching this video I understand my confusion. The connection to the car called the charger is really just a smart, safe cable and not a charger. The charger is built into the car. This video does a great job of explaining how this all works. Thanks.

[@Spartan_Jackal]

"What are contactors? You'll find out *shortly*" You're getting ejected.

[@KiRaShiKReaTiVe]

Ohm my goodness, I see what he did there.

[@floobertuber]

No need to act shocked. I'm sure he can sense our resistance.

[@Jason608]

@@floobertuber I'm not sure he can, currently.

[@wouter_system2]

@@Jason608 Watt the heck are you all talking about?

[@scottfranco1962]

Could also be read as "what are contractors... you'll find out shortly" :-)

[@nsayer]

“An Arduino, a contactor and a willing middle schooler.” I refer you to OpenEVSE, which is perhaps slightly more upscale than hiring a middle-schooler. 😁

[@BSAElectronics702]

Hi Nick, it's Brad from BSA! Before he even finished his sentence I was thinking of the OpenEVSE control boards we use!

[@AgentOffice]

Much of the cost is the cable, wouldn't save much making your own

[@COPKALA]

And you may wonder how may houses will burn down then.... Because the student has used radio-resitors or other "simple" man solution items.. or forgot to turn-off current before remove the cord....

[@nsayer]

I take umbrage at the idea that it’s impossible for people to build things themselves that are just as safe as things built by professionals. Yes, it’s possible for DIYers to screw things up, but it’s just as possible for big companies to make and sell defective and dangerous products.

[@BSAElectronics702]

@@nsayer I can attest to this, I own several items that are UL listed , sold by big name companies and purchased at common brick and motor retail stores, they were used as intended and burnt up into melted plastic. So much for the Garuntee of safety many think UL listings gaurentees them.

[@TehVulpez]

15:58 I was expecting a card to pop up for the "Why are switches clicky?" vid

[@hkelly1623]

DC switches are noisy because if they aren't they will draw an arc as the contacts separate. AC turns off 100 (50 Hz) or 120 (60 Hz) times per second, so no arc for slow opening switch.contacts.

[@opinionateddrone]

@@hkelly1623 Pretty sure OP already saw the video explaining this

[@MrKillerMichael]

@@hkelly1623 Not completely true. Arching occurs because of inductiors existing in the circuit driving the voltage across the opening up until it arcs when power is cut, or the voltage of the circuit is high enough even with no inductors. For at home applications the arcs that can be created are quite minimal, but at the distribution stations that power those homes the arcs can be massive.

[@mikecif4123]

Thank you for this video. Researching possibly buying my first EV and this was incredibly helpful. I do think EVs are probably going to become the standard in my lifetime, and I'm eager to learn what I can.

[@PJSproductions97]

I work at a company that makes Led light guides, and let me tell you, we do a LOT of business making glowy things for electric cars and their accessories.

[@BeX32210]

There is a reason why it is so expensive: It's branded "Siemens". In the next episode: Why Type 2 is superior to Type 1 ...

[@ColinRichardson]

I would like to see that video.. I think I have a really good grasp on it myself.. But Alec tends to do much more indepth research and releases it in a format that I find easier to deal with.. (I am a slow reader and it doesn't tend to stick in my head for some reason, but videos I am the complete opposite) And I know if Alec says it, then it's SOLID FACTS.

[@scottn7cy]

The only way it could be more expensive would be to brand it "Tesla"

[@vinterskugge907]

That, or "Apple"

[@joeyknight8272]

Interesting

[@BeX32210]

​@@theuser3631 Siemens EVSEs don't play any role in Germany. In Germany we call it "überteuert".

[@tildessmoo]

RE: requiring ventilation: I'm not actually sure if that's for cars at all. Electric forklifts tend to use lead/acid batteries (the massive lead/acid battery pack actually functions as ballast for the forklift's load, so I can't see lithium entirely taking over the market), and the ones I've used charged by just plugging into a standard 120 V outlet, and it's important to make sure they're charged in a well-ventilated area both because of the large amount of hydrogen gas released during charging and because the heating of those batteries from charging tends to evaporate not just water, but a bit of the acid dissolved in the water as well. (When you're dealing with that much lead/acid battery getting deep-cycled every couple of days, replenishing the water in the batteries actually becomes a regular part of maintenance. That's right, it was once my job to water the forklift.) Now, it's been a few years since I've had anything to do with forklifts, but given the added safety and convenience features (specifically, power-limiting and scheduling) and relatively low cost of upgrading or even changing the plugs in new manufacture, I'd imagine that EVSEs are, if not the new standard, at least making inroads into the small industrial vehicle (forklifts, warehouse trolleys, etc.) market, where it's important for both safety and regulations compliance to ensure those multi-ton lead/acid battery packs aren't charged in an enclosed space.

[@frollard]

Thankfully, with lithium (especially the fancy pants next gen stuff just announced) being such high energy density, there wouldn't be much stopping a forklift manufacturer using a significantly (physically) smaller battery, combined with cheaper, dumber ballast (steal, concrete, etc) for an overall break-even cost.

[@ColinRichardson]

I wonder if "lithium batteries" + "concrete" would be better in the long run than using lead acid for charge + ballast?

[@frollard]

​@@ColinRichardson Hard to say. They're both eminently recyclable. Forklift is a special case where the weight is actually useful. The nice thing is you don't have to physically maintain a lithium battery (with proper management system attached), unlike the lead acid which overcharge or quick charge depletes the electrolyte as op states. (I remember topping up our pallet jack batteries forever ago...legit). If you inadvertently upend your forklift, it's nice to not have sulfuric acid spilling out (as it would with the non-sealed battery to allow said gasses to escape). Lead acid has ~300 full deep discharge cycles lifetime, lithium depending on charge depth can be 300-4000 cycles, and can charge and discharge at a much higher rate. Too many variables to say 'better' either direction.

[@ColinRichardson]

@@frollard Maybe this is just an intermediate state, where it's not worth the cost to replace the batteries, but a small BMS can be easily (read cheaply) bolted on to allow EVSE to charge it, and then when the forklifts/lead acid batteries come to end of life, then can just hotswap to lithium and still use the same EVSE.. that way you could still mix/match multiple forklifts on the same charging units?? (I am just grasping here)

[@frollard]

@@ColinRichardson would definitely prefer a more modern connection for charging than that old chonky DC connector

[@philkarn5661]

You are absolutely 100% right that we need more accessible charging for renters and those in high density housing.

[@BogeyTheBear]

My workplace refuses to install EV chargers, or even covered parking. They _will_ install acres of solar panels on the property to generate power for the factory, but will not utilize those panels for car shade nor provide one watt of that clean energy for EV charging-- this despite the fact we're researching both battery storage solutions and compact fusion reactors.

[@porter2024]

from someone severely hard of hearing, thank you for the captions.

[@Julian-wp8sc]

WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR EARS

[@christo930]

@@Julian-wp8sc As someone also hard of hearing, it can happen in many ways. Some were born with hearing issues. Some, as in my case, from childhood illness.

[@Supreme_Lobster]

@@Julian-wp8sc love the all caps

[@neotozo3789]

@@Julian-wp8sc lol the loud text so they can hear better

[@adfasdasdfsadfasd6490]

Considering he does everything off a script, it would be lazy to not slap that script in CC.

[@aterack833]

“Require one 40 amp 240 volt circuit for garages in new building codes” homegamer welders everywhere will sign that petition

[@josephjames259]

Anyone can fill out the code change form for NEC code making panel and they will consider it. Or, as my old continuing education instructor used to say-even grandma can change the Code.

[@MittyNuke1]

I agree with the sentiment here, but I think making this code is a really bad idea. It's not very expensive or hard to add a 40 amp circuit even after a home is built, and making it a requirement just adds unnecessary rules and complexity since electrical and building codes are regulated at the local level for every town/county and city in the US. People who want a charger can opt to do the work themselves or hire an electrician to add the required circuit, just like with every other appliance or device in a home. The number and location of normal receptacles is a code issue because if there aren't enough and in the right places, people will use a mess of extension cords and power strips to plug everything in. With electric vehicle charging, just like an electric clothes dryer, you have no option but to run a new circuit (or share the dryer plug) so a similar code issue doesn't exist.

[@josephjames259]

@@MittyNuke1 Regulated at local level by AHJ, but electricians are working out of the NEC. I’ve worked out of the NEC for 20 years and the Code is revised every three years. Another requirement isn’t a big deal. It is A LOT easier to add something like this circuit during construction, more so than after the fact.

[@stevesedio1656]

@@MittyNuke1 I had two 40A, 240V outlets installed 15' from the power panel, $1000. Not really inexpensive after the fact, cheap to add during construction.

[@phillijp]

Welding circuit is 50 amp but no reason it can't be added in a garage especially if nearly every circuit in your house now requires AFCI, GFI or sometimes both on the circuit. Those AFCIs are quite reasonably priced and don't inflate the cost of wiring a house by at least double or more. Remember folks electrical code does not always equal safe it just means more income for an electrician.

[@snazzy]

Only 1 minute in, but commenting in advance to say, “hello, from Twitter.”

[@theshadowman1398]

Tesla blows. Being in a choke hold of Musk is stupid

[@Derpuwolf]

The Shadow Man could you elaborate?

[@theshadowman1398]

@@Derpuwolf Repairs only allowed by Tesla centres, car is constantly connected to Tesla and Tesla constantly follows it, Tesla can turn off features without your consent.

[@10713412]

@@Derpuwolf all model 3s have seat heaters, you need to pay to "unlock" depending on "trim"

[@bobdylan1968]

@@10713412 that's most cars these days you buy new. A lot of the stuff works that way. And it makes sense. Tesla still gives you the best value of any electric car by leaps and bounds and it's not even a competition. And any price point you go with.

[@petershillito]

This video helped a lot with me buying an EV last month (MG5) and figuring out what sort of "charger" to get installed at home. The UK's grant to get a box installed only covers hardwired ones and my landlord didn't want to pay for it. So, I did some digging and found the Ohme Go Commando cable. Commando is the colloquial term for the blue IEC 60309 single phase 32A socket, and that's what I got installed outside my home as it was much cheaper than getting a hardwired box installed. It also means I can take the smart cable with me if I move, and the cable can connect with my electricity provider to charge when rates are low (or it will once I get the smart meter installed next week). As TC mentioned, the box on the cable has an RCD built in in case of faults, etc rather than relying on the one in the house circuit breaker box. Thank you for letting me know that EV wall units exist that don't require hard wiring, as I may not have got an EV without that knowledge.

[@RinoaL]

i never really thought about this since i've always seen a charger as being anything that provides power, weather it just be an overcomplicated power cable or an actual power source. but yeah good observation.

[@22yhjjjj]

*Whether not weather

[@TheAussieRepairGuy]

Current regulation is key here...

[@elliotmurphy534]

charge verb to store electrical energy in (a battery or battery-operated device). battery operated device like you know a car

[@nazarjuna]

Rainy or sunny, it don't matter

[@alienpoker]

@@22yhjjjj Whether the charger is protected from weather? But yeah, good observation as well.

[@leonhostnik9516]

As someone who has taken a class on national electric code, anyone on planet earth can submit a change for consideration. A bunch of things get filtered out, yes, but I think you could probably get it into the 2023 NEC. I think they opened or will be opening soon the system for comments, since they have finished and published NEC 2020 Edit: I think there's also similar NFPA documents or similar you can submit changes to, if you want to try and push for your smart grid technology.

[@Kamel419]

As a software engineer, I can say that this is often the case. The only exceptions are when boards are formed and you have to donate to be a part of that board.

[@HamLovesBacon]

It's a good suggestion but one the NEC is unlikely to include, at least until gasoline cars are outright banned and everyone drives EVs. The NEC doesn't tell you how to design a "good"/useful/convenient electric system, just a safe one. Having a 40A circuit in the garage is a good choice, but failure to install one isn't dangerous, especially if the homeowner has no EV and thus no use for the circuit. Just inconvenient for the next homeowner who does have an EV to charge. But who knows, worth a shot suggesting it.

[@rjk7104]

@@HamLovesBacon The NEC requires a convenience outlet to be installed within 20 feet of an air conditioner. This is not a safety thing, it is purely only for convenience. I'm sure a case could be made for Alec's suggestion, but it might be difficult to get in because not everyone will have an EV in their garage, whereas every AC unit does need power for the service man to use.

[@brandonn.1275]

@@rjk7104 It could be easier to convince the NEC to do since California made it it's goal to transition to zero emissions by 2035 and this is right after California mandated all new homes be built with solar since January 2020.

[@leonhostnik9516]

@@HamLovesBacon there are certain considerations for problems that are happening/are likely to occur though, even if most people would consider it convenience. It can be argued pretty effectively that electric cars are likely to become the norm in the next 20-30 years, and people will try doing it themselves, setting their homes on fire in the process. There is a statistical number of people who will die from this as an effect, and NFPA is *checks notes* a document to try and prevent people from dying.

[@jojoban2659]

New drinking game idea: Every time Alec says "It's basically just a fancy light switch" take a shot.

[@thescooterbignuts]

I'm going to need a bigger cabinet

[@harleyclawson7639]

But I'm drinking tequila...fuck it

[@jamess1787]

I'm drunk. Thanks Alec...

[@AndrewRGross]

Wow. I've just started watching this channel, and this video just blew me away. THANK YOU for answering SO MANY of my technical and regulatory questions! If you aren't already, you need to start speaking in front of city councils and state legislatures and public utility board meetings and hell let's throw in congress. Your perspective just cut so clearly through so much confusion I had.

[@Fightre_Flighte]

"why is it so expensive?" *proceeds immediately to begin dying internally.*

[@LeadSkillets]

If you've seen the difference between contractor pricing and sales counter pricing for electrical components it makes perfect sense. The markups make dentists seem unprofitable.

[@josephgaviota]

I love the "This is Not a Drill" T-shirt.

[@RGressick]

wish i could "HEART" this reply, i loved the shirt too.

[@TheAlanSaunders]

There was an advertisement for a (Black & Decker?) Dremel-like multitool that said " We drill, saw, rout, engrave ... followed by a crossed out image of a hammer hitting a nail.

[@MrOnemanop]

Best part of the video.

[@DehnusNorder]

But it is not a hammer either ;)! :P

[@kibbo86]

@@DehnusNorder Thanks Magritte

[@BurntFaceMan]

"Except for Telsa" reminds me sooo much of Apple. "every phone nowadays uses usb type-C... except for Apple"

[@18magicMARKer]

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY COMPANIES MAKES SHITTY CHARGE CABLE? I'VE I HAD A FAKE LIGHTING CABLE THAT WAS OVERHEATING AND F UP MY BATTERY

[@IcedForce]

Tesla is car worlds Apple. Same kind of "standard" connectors (Lightning, Thunderbolt, FireWire before them and DisplayPort vs. Teslas charging port) which on the big letter anyone could use, except their license agreements have caveats or they are not as "open" as they claim (in Apples case they love saying the connector is free to use for everyone while the controlling chip isn't rendering the connector little more than a decoration and Tesla wants to get into your patent suitcase for free). Almost completely same kind of choke hold on repair, you cannot fix your Tesla or Apple device officially anywhere else than in certified repair and those are not as common as the companies let you believe and both at least have at some point refused to sell or asked extortion level prices for replacement parts from anyone outside their own repair program. Both try to make sure you don't buy second-hand their products, Apple by making sure if the previous owner doesn't know or forgets to reset the device, no one can reset it, and Tesla starting to sell features as licenses for original owners. And the sugar coating is that both have cults following them which are fanatically protecting them like they would break when they are criticized over their business models or the faults in their designs. Both fanatics groups also almost worship the CEOs or former CEOs of their company like messiahs.

[@renakunisaki]

@@18magicMARKer yeah, nobody on Earth is capable of making a USB cable that doesn't suck. Same for USB hubs. USB is cursed. Just ask the zip file of haphazardly named Word documents that is its official spec.

[@nanianmichaels]

In Europe, these days ALL new EVs come with a Type 2 (a.k.a. Mennekes) connector for either low-power charging (I mean, some cars can pull up to 32A @220V from a Type 2 plug, so that's not exactly "slow", but oh well) or also for fast charging (Renaults only). That includes both Nissan and Tesla EVs. And when it comes to fast charging, it's either Type 2 (again, Renault only, their chargers are direct AC only) or CCS2, since even Nissan caved in and switched over to CCS2 on the newest vehicles. ChaDeMo is going the way of the dodo, and I'm assuming even Renault will switch over to CCS2 sooner rather than later, because fast charging on Type2 AC stops at 40Kw. So, we're looking at a unified connector standard in the EU. Luckily, I might add, at one point we even had CEE and Shucko plugs on public chargers...

[@thetrashman5252]

@@18magicMARKer A fake lightning cable? Please elaborate.

[@johnwinters4201]

Thank you - very informative. I had suspected that this was much how they worked but it's useful to have it confirmed. Your video also made me realise why North America *needs* a different plug standard for their EVs.

[@michaelstarkey9745]

Commerce transportation

[@FalconFour]

19:15 - "I'm absolutely certain I'll be corrected if I'm wrong" 😂 Yes, Teslas speak 1-wire CAN between the car and the EVSE by signaling "digital communication required" in the J1772 spec, then they handshake digitally and speak in Tesla-language (digitally). Both the EVSE and the car are fully capable of falling back to J1772 if both sides don't agree (e.g. using a Tesla-to-J1772 adapter on a Tesla EVSE, or a J1772 adapter on a Tesla vehicle). J1772 for example has a lower limit of 6 amps, and signalling that is prone to error (often considered too small a PWM to register), but Tesla can easily go 5A or lower. They can also exchange VIN and SOC% info, if Tesla ever decides to do so - perhaps using the semi-dormant WiFi capability in newer Wall Connectors.

[@Croz89]

I don't really understand why all EV's didn't go in for a standard two wire CAN interface from the get go (do they still use other protocols in new vehicles outside of NA/Europe?). It would only need one extra pin on the connector and would have been using an extremely common standard that's been in existence for around 30 years without much modification, and works just as well for modern cars as it did for those back in the 90's.

[@FalconFour]

@@Croz89 I work in the EVSE world (if you've seen a JuiceBox there's probably my signature buried under a component in the silkscreen ;) ) and let me tell you, I ... mostly agree. The barrier-to-entry of analog J1772 is very low and easy to implement, incredibly fail-safe. The strange -12v level and the 24v peak-to-peak swing you get as a result is the hardest part to deal with. CAN might work, but it's not foolproof - and getting manufacturers to agree on a digital protocol (CAN is a medium, not a protocol) would be a mess. That said, we got digital communication with ISO 15118 implemented as J1772 for DC charging (aka CCS) - but they went to the polar opposite direction - they use PLC (powerline communication, as in, commonly used for home Ethernet-over-power-line adapters!) and a full IPv6 stack for that! Yeah, IPv6. For charging stations. They went straight from 0 to insane complexity, now requiring ridiculously complex PLC hardware to overlay a digital protocol on top of the (still-same-seeming) analog J1772 protocol. So the analog component (the PWM) of the J1772 line still seems totally normal on a scope, but in the RF realm there's digital communication taking place. Couldn't they just have used CAN? ;)

[@Croz89]

@@FalconFour I agree, J1772 has the advantage of being very robust and stable, and requires only simple electronics to monitor. That said, CAN transceivers are cheap, ubiquitous and are considered pretty sturdy. I can't imagine the reliability is that much greater. After all, modern cars already have one for diagnostics and EMS reprogramming, and I've never heard of one failing (though I guess it must happen from time to time). Perhaps I'm missing something here, you're the expert after all :) As for the protocol, I seemed to have gotten my terminology mixed up. I meant to say I imagine an extension to the OBD-II protocol would be sufficient for most EV charging communications (OBD-EV anyone?). The message format is already well defined and the data that would be useful to the unit could be added as PID addresses. In fact I would be very surprised if they didn't already exist on many EV's since they'd be very useful for maintenance. All that would be needed would be for manufacturers to agree on standard PID addresses for all the info the unit needs. To me this "single wire CAN" idea seems to be a way to shove CAN capability into the existing connector, so it seems like EV manufacturers (Tesla at least) are coming round to the idea that CAN _would_ have been a better idea in the first place, but it's too late to change the connector design.

[@RGressick]

Adding my Tesla driver rage. *GRUMBLE GRUMBLE GRUMBLE* Nah, it was a good video. There is a lot of technical stuff you could go more into but that's more reserved for the different connector types. But it was a good video because its a glorified light switch with a automatic dimmer. I install these types of wall connectors and outlets for people. But i would never that low on Amp. I am the "Go BIG or Go Home" type of guy. I always do a minimal of a NEMA 14-50 instead with wiring able to support 60amps. That way IF you do swap out to a more powerful Wall Connector OR want to install a permanent wall connector, you have the room to do so without having to replace the wiring.

[@dan_]

@@FalconFour So you're saying the CCS standard has support for standard networking protocols over the power delivery lines? That's really interesting. It might seem like an unnecessary requirement to support right now, but I can imagine that being useful for all sorts of cool applications in the future. I guess always-connected 5G within the car would also provide many of the same benefits this opens the door to, but it still seems like a good forward-thinking addition to the spec to me.

[@calvinrempel]

Yep - apart from the still high cost of entry, the facts of life of being a renter are definitely a hindrance to EV adoption. Mind you, for those of us in the North (e.g. Canada) where block heaters are a thing on cars for winter, there is quite often already 120V infrastructure available at or near parking stalls for that which could potentially be used for charging - albeit slow charging. One of the perks of living in places where the cold air hurts your face.

[@NigelGentry]

The problem is that it seems that the car charging would draw a lot more power than a block heater. A quick search on the internet shows that block heaters go up to 1500 watts and slow charging starts at 3000 watts. I assume this could work OK, but it would take a very, very long time to charge a car.

[@DevynCairns]

@@NigelGentry On 120V, slow chargers draw ~1500W, actually, because that's all they're allowed to. My mother hasn't bothered to get a 240V circuit installed in her garage as the breaker box is quite far away and it would be rather expensive, so that's how she generally charges her car. Yes, it's slow, but if you rarely drive very far, it's not usually a problem. When she needs faster charging, she relies on public level 2 chargers that I think are probably about 7 kW, or the DC fast chargers if she really needs charge quickly. That block heaters are also 1500W is not a coincidence; that's just the upper limit on a 120V 15A circuit for continuous use here in North America. Space heaters are the same; they're almost universally 1500W too.

[@edwinrots1134]

Here in Finland, we have similar infrastructure and similar problems. Block heaters are typically around 500W and (in many car parks) interior heaters are prohibited to avoid massive power consumption. Most residential outlets (in shared parking lots) also have timers that let you specify a (max) 2h slot that the outlet is active. My homeowner's association will let you plug a car into the block heater outlet and you get the full 10 or 16A at 240V but only for 2h every day.

[@jacksons1010]

@@DevynCairns Devyn is correct about the ~1500W limit. I drive my EV about 40 miles per day and charge overnight on a 120VAC circuit - and I only need to do that every second or third day. I think a lot of people will find as I have that installing a 240V outlet is a nicety, not a necessity.

[@ColonelSandersLite]

Here's the fundamental problem with this idea - If you are in conditions where you would need to use block heater on an internal combustion engine, 120v charging is completely ineffective. Why? The battery must be in a certain temperature range to charge which means that the car will use an internal heater to warm it. How much power that heater will draw varies with the actual temperature. In conditions where you would be forced to use a block heater with an internal combustion engine, the power draw of the heater is likely to meet or even exceed 120v. Of course it would work fine for like 9 months out of the year but being unable to operate the system for 4 months out of the year would make it functionally useless.

[@bumblebee4245]

6:43 So the relationship between Tesla and every other ev is similar to apple and android phones and their chargers

[@lostnumbr]

they want to be different just to be different. or, more likely, they want to control distribution of the peripherals to try to monopolize that market, at least for as long as possible through patents, exclusive manufacturing or licensing.

[@stevenrecine3418]

Sort of. But a connector adapter works on Tesla without problems. Apple products will try to block use of non-certified lightning cables (cost $7 royalties for manufacture PER CABLE). Also in the video, he said that Tesla used their connector before the EVSE standard was finally finalized. As apposed to Apple who made a new connector when USB already existed for decades (And Apple released lightning cable the same year as USB-C standard 2012)

[@isodoubIet]

I mean, just the fact that their respective customers are the same kind of people -- cultists -- is already a pretty good indication of that.

[@bumblebee4245]

Yeah I was mainly messing around but thanks for the information everyone

[@Supraboyes]

@@stevenrecine3418 stop sticking up for tesla, they are the apple of the car world

[@S3t3sh]

Thank you for consistently providing me with content to teach my daughter... Tonight, I think she grasped PWM completely.

[@firenado4295]

"imagen a 400 volt light bulb" i dont have to there are enough bmw drivers around

[@sugoruyo]

It was for a turn signal, you're safe, BMW drivers don't use turn signals...

[@skyraider87]

Or brakes, so no blinding by that.

[@franklydoodle350]

I just had a 400-volt light bulb idea - we should rename BMW to GME

[@oldtechnobodycaresabout]

Is Imagen a brand of 400v bulb or do you mean imagine?

[@firenado4295]

@@oldtechnobodycaresabout its just a typo you know what I mean

[@GeoQuag]

“The white wire should be red because there is no neutral but whatever” Badly colored wires never cause a problem so I’m sure it’s fine.

[@Angel_Bob_]

Not necessarily true. The reasoning behind having a standard for which colors are for what when wiring electrical devices to the grid is to prevent people from mis-wiring a circuit because they need a separate wiring diagram for each piece of equipment they're wiring. It's way easier to remember that the black wire is live and dangerous (when working with mains) when it's always the black wire no matter what device you're working with. You are right; mismatched wire colors will function just fine, but electricians would like not killing themselves to be as straightforward as it gets. Here's to being pedantic!

[@ulti-mantis]

@@Angel_Bob_ I think they did a sarcasm and are aware of the problems...

[@EarthAmbassador]

@@Angel_Bob_ He was being sarcastic.

[@marcinsladowski5385]

Colors are for Europe. Blue is Neutral, Brown, Black and Grey are three main phases and of course yellow-green is protective earth.

[@TBFSJjunior]

@@marcinsladowski5385 In the past this was different though and the phases were brown, black and... black. So if you have old equipment or old wiring in Germany for example, this can be a bit annoying.

[@georgecullen759]

I flunked out of the Navy Basic Electricity course waaay back in the late 70's. You make the topic understandable. I could not repeat much of it but I get most of the topics.

[@lucasrem1870]

Not on 3 phase? why not, simple questions for simple Army people!

[@PedroHernandez-sm8lg]

I'm a power grid operator. The trend right now is that utilities are closing down their big workhorse coal fired generators. At the same time there's a wave of new EV's coming down the chute, and everyone wants to go home and plug them in at the same time that the evening peak hits the grid. To me, this is scary! If we keep going at the rate we are, I promise there's going to be routine rolling blackouts at evening peak in just a few years. You are spot on to say that EV's need to be grid interactive! If I could have control of when EV's are charged and I could simply hit a button to charge everyone's EV's after evening peak, this would make a tremendous difference to the evening peak. And having the ability to pull Megawatts from EV's is my personal pipe dream. Grid scale batteries are simply an idea that hasn't been invented yet. But having access to thousands of EV batteries on the system, even for as little as 15 minutes would be a really big deal. Great video! I appreciate that you actually explained the technical details of how this works. Surprisingly, this is hard to come by!

[@appleintosh]

Is there no time of use rates where you are? I get the cheapest electricity between midnight and 6am, so I have my car set up to only charge during those hours. I wouldn’t ever try and charge my car at 7pm when I get home from work because that’s when electricity is most expensive for me

[@iamlenb]

How much would electrical companies be willing to pay for that storage and access?

[@Me-zo8yc]

Batteries have finite charge/discharge cycles.

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

@@appleintosh not where I am. Most of the country is on small utility company systems that have a graduated rate based on usage. The cost would be similar to running a heater. Now in cold rural areas like mine EV’s are extremely impractical. When you have a 200 mile round trip to the nearest WalMart in an area where temperatures drop to less than -20 with snowfall measured in feet these EV’s are useless. Even in town the extreme cold causes problems with many electronics, especially chemical batteries.

[@aarons7975]

People sadly are ignorant to how the while thing works. Been in the power industry 18 years and counting. IC / Operator / Maintainer. Maintainer-Complainer whatever you want to call it. You get places like california who can't even keep the lights on as it is, how are they going to handle their load doubling? The rest of the infrastructure is not designed to handle it either. LITERALLY all the transformers, lines going into communities, breakers, fuses, EVERYTHING needs to be beefed up to handle the draw. Folks are just totally clueless which is sad. Another big issue which everyone is doing a very good job of pretending don't exist is fuel. You are shutting down all the coal, yet there is NOT ENOUGH gas capacity, to run the gas plants as is let alone with more. It takes YEARS to bring one gas pipeline in, and that is if the tree huggers do NOT fight it, which they always do. A car that gets 100 GPM is worthless when all the gas stations are empty. Same with electric. A gas plant is worthless when we physically can NOT get enough gas to where the plants are at to run them. Even if today ALL the bs totally ENDED, and everyone said LETS DO THIS NOW. It'd take 15 years to get the infrastructure up to where it could even handle it, THEN get the plants built.

[@looseycanon]

Technology Connections: "Imagine a 400v turn signal bulb" Me: Grows a beard, "Ready phasers!"

[@virtualtools_3021]

@Richard Vaughn uhhh, i hope you mean directly **with a balast**, right??

[@harleyclawson7639]

Ok Johnathan Frakes

[@nslouka90]

Turns on radio. MY EARS!

[@harleyclawson7639]

@@virtualtools_3021 Someone knows the difference between a high pressure sodium and metal halide😁

[@rhettorical]

"Holding onto a proprietary connector doesn't move things forward" We had the same problem with phone connectors until USB was made the standard.

[@abdelali9279]

Except by Te... I mean Apple xD

[@band_tsiferki]

Well, except Iphones.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

Nokia's charging pin was the perfect solution: Small (smaller even than the smallest USB connector), standard (most universal chargers come with that pin), and no way to plug it in the wrong way (circular symmetry FTW). Until the data port was used for charging, because of course it can do that, too. And with that come all the head-aches of data connectors, just to charge your phone which probably doesn't even do any wired data communication anyway because it is all wireless these days.

[@FreeOfFantasy]

@@band_tsiferki While Apple on the phone side does their own thing, on the other side it's USB, probably mainly due to EU charger regulation.

[@SD-tj5dh]

Anyone remember the awful sony Ericsson charger leads? They used to foul up all the time.

[@Volkswagenitalia.]

“These four boxes represent all of the electrical bits of a bolt. The bolt’s bits.”

[@dustysparks]

SCANDALOUS! This should be rated M for Motors!

[@airlink2142]

So where are its Nuts? HaHA! right that would be the driver/s.

[@ImJustAFen]

22:57 "I know that needs to be in conduit and yes, I'm getting to it." I feel you may want to have gotten to that part first lol

[@DUW1G1T]

Alec: fancy light switch Me: okay it's a relay

[@AlexBesogonov]

Tesla has optional connectivity through the info pins. It's used for supercharging, to communicate the state of the battery and negotiate the voltage levels. The protocol in use is a regular CAN bus with differential signalling.

[@yolo_burrito]

CSS has other communications as well when using HVSE just like Superchargers. Comms are through PLC instead of CANBUS though.

[@Chris_the_Muso]

"I'm absolutely certain I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, so I won't even bother asking". You know us so well...

[@tigerseye73]

Thanks so much for telling it like it is. I'm a journeyman industrial electrician and becoming seriously interested in buying a new Chevy Bolt. Definitely not going to give some snot nosed smuck $2000 to run a simple 240 volt receptacle circuit for me. Thanks for explaining the level 2 chargers. A dealership will have to include one in the trunk, without cost, to cinch the deal, whenever that happens. You have a great channel here.

[@aarons7975]

DO NOT BUY A CHARGER FROM THE DEALER. They will charge you 500 dollars or otherwise rape you on something you can get for under 100 on amazon / ebay etc that is the same thing and just as safe.

[@ChakatSandwalker]

I love how your subtitles sometimes give a little extra information, and that the adjective before 'smooth jazz' is always different (and often related to the topic.)

[@grejen711]

Can't believe you made this interesting for nearly 30 minutes. I really already knew this basic stuff but still found your talk quite engaging. Thank you.

[@freeheeler09]

Nice explanation! We rent out vacation homes. I'm installing dedicated charging stations in the carports to encourage visits from electric car owners.

[@hjeffwallace]

I carry a portable EVSE. I’m happy with a simple 120volt outlet in the parking area. Thanks.

[@12voltvids]

Picked one up for 217.00 on Amazon myself for my volt.

[@witzed1]

I charge my volt with one that I bought from amazon for $160. It is limited to 16 amps which is compatible with the 4kw on board inverter. The Bolt and the newest Volt have 7Kw inverters so about 7000/240=~30A. One of these is a little more expensive, maybe $350. The only reason is because they can and mostly the cost of copper in the cable. One issue I have found is the the Chinese designers of these devices only have access to the car specs and not the car itself. They can't plug one in to test it. Sometimes they don't get the communication protocol exactly right between the access point and the car. Return it and select another one from amazon.

[@12voltvids]

@@witzed1 they don't need the car. The charge controller sends the pilot signal that indicates it's max charge, and responds to the lowering of the resistance on the pilot conductor to turn on the AC. My volt has the 7.2 but charging at 4kw is more than fast enough. 3.45 full charge time. Slower charge is easier on battery. My older volt i use the 12 amp cord running at 240 v to charge it at 2.8kw. Car and battery 10 years old now and still getting full range.

[@chrisE815]

Is it etl or ul listed?

[@spacexcellent5919]

I just use a splitter on my dryer outlet, and run one side under the garage door to our Volt

[@zfine1450]

@@spacexcellent5919 The car should then be able to run the dryer. This is a huge value add to the car. I see this becoming a trend (F 150 Lightning).

[@SCMabridged]

"A well thought-out design preventing the careless from driving away with the charge point." Challenge accepted.

[@vacexpert2020]

They need to integrate the same tech into gassers, there's already a flap in the fuel filler, why not put a microswitch on it that prevents the car from being driven away with the fuel filler

[@TheHellogs4444]

I've done this with a rental EV, and the display immediately and embarrassingly made me aware of the damned charging cable. Wish they just automatically "ejected" and the charge point reeled it in

[@vacexpert2020]

@@TheHellogs4444 They pretty much already have that, it's called an Auto-Eject plugin, I say pretty much because it's for shore power, they come in either an E-One round end style or, for more well off clients who can afford it, they also have a custom PowerSafe connector, from my experience the E-One units are far more reliable its usually tapped off the starter so the instant you go to start the vehicle the power and, if applicable, air hookups simultaneously eject with vigor

[@lord_raindrops237]

No pls don't

[@teslacoil4335]

@@vacexpert2020 i mean, gas pumps already have a breakaway connection for that reason, so itd be just another part to fail

[@damandbass]

It seemed like yesterday when we were all asking "Who killed the electric car?". Now it's "Who has the best charging standard?"

[@DeviantOllam]

My wife and I are looking into a plug-in hybrid Jeep possibly when they become widely available and it's our hope that level two charging is available in the few places we go and also (not a lofty goal) installed in our friends' and families' garages so we can top up when visiting. Heh, what will come sooner?... 1. Our current 20-year-old truck giving up the ghost 2. Plug in jeeps or SUVs available to us 3. Pandemic finally managed so that we can visit other people again ... I guess we shall see!

[@turinggirl6432]

Oh hey! Fancy meeting you here!

[@DeviantOllam]

@@turinggirl6432 hey, Aly! 😁 I hope you're doing well. I miss you and everyone else back east. All my best to Nika, as well. 💚

[@thrillscience]

Hi! I'm also surprised to see you here! Hello!

[@ErdTirdMans]

When Deviant Ollam is on your Patreon backers list and Tom Scott is inviting you onto his shows, you know you've landed in a weird and wonderful spot of KZbin. Love this channel.

[@turinggirl6432]

DeviantOllam we miss you too. Cant wait for this whole silliness to be over so we can come visit.

[@edwardteach2625]

Man, these videos are FANTASTIC! I appreciate your presentation style and the topics really draw me in! 👍

[@InnocuousRemark]

Oh my God me and my team have been driving Priuses for years and we never knew what that sound was! Now I can die in peace.

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

Something that seems to be overlooked in this video: the CCS connector you pointed out is CCS1, which is an extended J1772. The connector that's used in many other countries around the world (including in the EU) is CCS2, which swaps out the J1772 part for the (incompatible) Mennekes plug.

[@vix86]

"If the car can communicate with the EVSE, and the EVSE is part of a smart grid, an EV driver can register their car, plug it in anywhere on the network and have the electricity it uses automatically added to their own personal electric bill." -- Just had my mind blown; I had never considered this but its totally doable and amazing. Only downside is that in my experience power grids in the US are an absolute mess with some parts of the country doing co-ops and butchering the grid and splitting it up among various companies. For example, my house and about maybe 30 other houses in the area get power from company A, but the other 100-150ish houses in the area get power from company B. We're like an island surrounded by customers for company B. There have been a few occasions after an ice storm where company A's grid has gone down and I can look across the street and see the power on because those houses are on company B's grid. This being America, getting companies to play nicely together requires some real arm bending.

[@MickeyMousePark]

yes and it took years for the Cellular Telcoms to work this out ...at one time AT&T/IBM setup a specialized computer in Boca Raton Florida to handle all the billing for cell phones using their towers nationwide..Smaller cell phone companies purchase bandwidth from like AT&T and Sprint or MCI and resell it to their customers..as an example your provider is Tracfone but you will be using ATT and Sprint or MCI towers so those companies must bill Tracfone for total bandwidth used throughout their network and also send a minutes of use to Tracfone for each customer ..so that TracPhone can bill their customers.. Since those major companies did not like to talk to each other ..AT&T volunteered (read charged) to handle the billing with their system.. and that had new infrastructure (towers) it would be worse with utility companies..

[@AruEsse]

As a european I will never understand why the US fails to understand that sometimes regulating a market into a state controlled monopoly is the best interest of both companies and customers (and also planet Earth, you know, power companies have to own backup transformers, cabling, connectors etc.). Is there a reason why one would need to have two different aqueducts, sewers or even road networks that never touch each other? Why would it be different for the power network? Companies can simply sell energy while the grid is managed by someone that does that and only that (in fact that's what most EU countries have done, and guess what? It works and the customers actually pay less than they used to for a better service). I guess the problem is mostly cultural, i. e. saying "state controlled" still sound like "communism" to a lot of ears over there.

[@vix86]

@@AruEsse Its probably cultural but it might also be a function of the governments. I don't know too much about the various EU government formats, but because of the way voting occurs in the US and the way the US legislation arm of the government is structured; we end up with a lot of effective lobbying. This has turned the US into a country strongly moved by corporate interests. Corporations *hate* regulation and don't want anything that effects them negatively but positively effects consumers. The irony in it all is that the US was probably better for consumers when the "commies" were an actual threat.

[@gleggett3817]

@@vix86 in the UK we have a national delivery structure operated by three power distribution companies and people buy their electricity from various companies who buy it from the power generating companies who are wired into the grid. When I first got a place of my own my electricity came from the former regional utility company (which was privatised in 1990). When I looked to renew the contract earlier this year I had 20 or more suppliers to choose from, all offering different tariffs and benefits (eg all renewables, loyalty rewards, ...). Chances are my neighbor gets electricity from a different company to me but its the same wires under the ground to the nearest substation which is on same grid as a transformer in a town 30 miles away

[@chaddaifouche536]

@@vix86 Yep, like Claude Roy said the day after the Berlin Wall fell : "Good news, but who will scare the wealthy, now ?". Capitalism was at its best when it had to be reasonable to avoid making the alternative (communism) look good... Since then, the wealthy have been getting bolder and bolder, they have grown unrestricted and have started anew to accumulate power and resources (inequality has been growing awfully fast in the last 30 years in the western world). Don't worry, it's happening in the EU too, it's just a bit more restrained and sneaky than in the US, for now.

[@chuck1804]

I neither own a Tesla or any electric vehicle, yet somehow this presentation is compelling enough for me to watch the whole video.

[@frankgcooper1098]

By far the best explanation of these "safety disconnect relay" boxes! Luv'd it

[@lev3k]

I'm a new Tesla owner, so this topic is certainly of extreme interest to me. My car, and apparently all new Teslas, do actually come with a J1772 adapter, so I too can use this EVSE. Alec certainly does have a point about the supercharger network itself though, and I absolutely would love a standardized, non-proprietary connector by default on my car.

[@XiamwatchingyouX]

Can confirm. Picking up my model 3 this Friday. Comes with the J1772 adapter as well. Just snaps onto the end and works like the real thing! I think the ONLY thing (someone can correct me on this, hopefully) is that while the Tesla connector is locked whiling charging and requires pushing the button on the handle to disconnect safely, you can actually disconnect the tesla end from the J1772 adapter WHILE CHARING, so the connection is still hot. Making it more susceptible to injury (or more likely, disconnecting from some knob disconnecting my car while I'm away getting a coffee or something.

[@calaphos]

Sounds like the apple approach to existing standards :)

[@dan203]

There is no reason to buy an EVSE like this, or the Tesla wall connector. Your car came with a cable that does level 2 charging already. You just need the $35 14-50 plug available on their accessory store and maybe the $20 plastic hanger thing to organize it. Spending $300+ on an EVSE is a waste of money unless you really just like the look of the fancy box hanging on the wall.

[@dan203]

XiamwatchingyouX several companies sell a little plastic lock device that prevents the adapter from being disconnected while it's connected to the car. If you plan to use public chargers a lot it might be worth a look.

[@wecsam]

@@XiamwatchingyouX If you have a J1772 plug with Tesla's adapter plugged into a Tesla, the J1772 plug is latched to the adapter and the adapter is locked into the car. Because the proximity circuit is forwarded through the adapter, Teslas can detect when you press the latch on the J1772 plug in the same way as other EVs and will stop charging before you can unplug anything.

[@dm2060]

Drinking game idea, drink a shot everytime he says "just a fancy light switch".

[@BenLJackson]

Even better, drink every time he says "That's it...-"

[@Shl0kk]

Or ... except for tesla

[@eDoc2020]

@@valleyofiron125 Not to be too pedantic, but do you mean pedantic instead of padantic? Also, I don't have a fingerer. Do you mean finger?

[@eDoc2020]

@@arnehurnik The prices I'm seeing are $735.26 for the WiFi version and $387.45 for the standard version. Certainly very expensive for the components within (especially for the WiFi version, that's probably

[@OmegaF77]

@Inotamira Orani Kill and embalm at the same time.

[@kentslocum]

This is the most enlightening video I have seen in a long time. The people who have power need to watch this; too bad they aren't.

[@Hans-KRC]

"Well, you'll find out shortly". Oh, Alec. I see what you did there.

[@MavericksHangar]

Thank you for showing me all the parts of my Chevy Bolt! I love my electric car, it is amazing.

[@rrteppo]

unfortunately at the moment it causes more pollution than it removes from not burning gas.

[@josephs8829]

Untrue , there have been many engineers expose this as false. Go to engineering explained KZbin channel for an excellent video of this subject.

[@redbaron6805]

@@rrteppo Yeah, that comment has been proven 100% false about 1000x already. Anyone from USCS to dozens of other agencies have already covered this. The upfront emissions of an EV are paid off in about 12 months on average, and the EV is cleaner for every year after that by far.

[@frank-christiankruegel2199]

Just an Addition: The European CCS System functions nearly exactly the same way the North American system does - except for the thrown-in bonus of having two additional optional phases, which requires a different connector with more pins. Also the DC plug extension is the same. Whats missing is the microswitch in the latch. Instead, the small control pins are the shortest and make contact last (and loose contact first). PE makes contact first and looses contact last. The phases are in between.

[@krissp8712]

He covered this at 0:46 but it was still interesting, thanks for the info!

[@hangugeohaksaeng]

Your "pipe dream" was the best argument I've heard for EVs, and how they might work on an infrastructure scale. Thanks for a great video.

[@gregbailey45]

Yes, worth searching for the Holy Grail!

[@BrandEver117]

Buy the new corvette!* *Requires the proprietary Chevrolet fuel filling nozzle

[@ameunier41]

Or just buy the 200$ funnel adapter

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

Damn corvette!

[@renakunisaki]

As if they'd actually warn you about a proprietary connector before you buy.

[@SteveBakerIsHere]

@@renakunisaki Tesla provide a J1772 adaptor with the car. Plug that 3" long cylindrical gizmo into the car's charging port - and you can charge a Tesla on J1772...no problem...easy.

[@fakename287]

@@SteveBakerIsHere so if they're gonna provide you with an adaptor then why go through the trouble of using proprietary connectors in the first place?

[@thephantom1492]

For those wondering, a contactor is just a big relay. The internal are simple: an electro magnet pull on the switch portion. That's it, power the coil, it attract a metal plate, which the contacts are attached to, and those touch the other contact once pulled.

[@theskett]

Your statement isn't correct; contactors have spring-loaded open / close, arc suppression, etc., which aren't available / provided by relays. springercontrols.com/news/contactors-vs-relays/#:~:text=Contactors%20are%20typically%20built%20for,connects%20to%20a%20neutral%20position.

[@thephantom1492]

@@theskett That source is really unreliable, sorry to break the truth on this, but get your source from somewhere else. I'm an electronics repair tech. I therefore work with relays on a regular basis. 1) loac capacity: Power relays are often specced at 10-30A, sometime even 40A. I replaced two 35A relays in an EV car charger. Point is invalid. 2) NO/NC... Most relays are NO only. As such, there is also some NC contactors too. And also, both for relays, those with NO and NC contacts. Point is invalid. 3) Aux contact. Just get a double pole relay instead? We sell some 4 poles relays, which is the equivalent of a 3 phases with aux contact. Again, point is invalid. 4) Spring loaded contacts. This may be a valid point for the contactor. 5) Arc supression. Totally misleading. Both use air to break the arc, and power relays ARE designed for high load. Misleading invalid point. 6) External overload device. This have nothing to do with contactor. Invalid point. So far, only 1 point may be worth noting here. And in the "when to use a relay", 3 poles relays exists, so this is NOT a reason to not chose a relay. The 10A is also too low as 15-25A relays are very common. Funny thing is, they totally forgot about one MAJOR reason to go contactors: motors. They have huge inrush current, and controlling them via a relay? Expect to have trouble to find one for anything bigger than 1/2hp (they do exists however).

[@theskett]

@@thephantom1492 Wow, this is hilarious. I'd argue your points, but they're generally complete bullshit. And if you don't like the manufacturer's info: That'd be your problem, not mine. As an example, relays *do not* use air to break any arc. SF6 contactors don't even use air to break the arc. And jeez, of course 15-25A relays are common; that's why they aren't 300A contactors. Get a fucking grip, dude.

[@glarusboi]

I have this exact model! Learned a lot thank you. You’re very thoughtful about your videos and clearly put a lot of work into them. Keep up the good work.

[@axelknutt5065]

So if I understand you correctly, an EVSE is just like a fancy light switch?

[@Chris-ie9os]

Yep. Plus a 'pilot signal' telling the EV how many amps it can take.

[@sprucemaroose]

How did you find that out? Must've missed it in the video.

[@uncon7834]

As an EV driver, I've had more than one instance of range anxiety, and always these darn chargers are so far away. I trickle feed my car at home because I live in an apartment, and you don't know how many landlords I've called asking if it'd be possible to install a level 2 charger in the lot. I agree that there should be more charging stations around, especially in rural or back road areas, or even at rest-stops on the interstate.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Newer apartments are designing in EV charging stalls. 3 years ago I moved into a newer, upscale apartment in Boston that had a parking garage below. For only $20 above the monthly parking fee, I had unlimited level 2 charging at my dedicated parking spot. They provided ChargePoint EVSEs. There was more electricity than I could ever use.

[@Rygat]

1st thing i did when i finally got a house was install a level 2, my range anxiety went away instantly

[@Kangenpower7]

In California, they have to provide a place to charge your car! Just getting the approval might take a few months! Someone on the Rivian board stated that they are using a #6 wire extension cord 100' long to their parking spot, and installed a 30 amp dryer plug in their garage t plug in the extension cord to that. So they can get up to 24 amps from their 30 amp receptacle in the garage. And #6 wire at 100 feet long is not a significant voltage loss. One problem with a business electrical service, at least in California, is something called a demand charge. So if a 10 KW EV is plugged in during the peak power hours during the summer, they demand charge might go up by 10 KW for that month, leading to a higher electric bill at the end of the month. And you might not notice the increased demand charges for a couple of months, when someone asks "Why did the electric bills go up by $175 for June and July? The demand charges for last year where $350 a month, and this year they are $550 per month. What happened?

[@Hero-do7wm]

@@thebeacon2 Teslas at times have had very long wait times even recently. i was on a wait list for a Y for roughly 6 months and ended up just buying a mach E because it was going to be another 3 months and there had been multiple delays already. This was roughly a year ago so I don't know what the current supply is like but they can be difficult to find. Mach Es are also hard to find, just happened to have a friend of a friend who owns a dealership who had one. Not including all the other complaints I have with Teslas but those are less of a consumer issue in most cases. and this is someone in a family who has a model 3 and enjoys it.

[@jansalomin]

@@thebeacon2 Don't like one aspect of your house? Just get a new one

[@ChevronTango]

What a coincidence. I turn my lights on with a fancy car charger...

[@OliverVegaHidalgo]

These videos are really good. I feel like I learn things with them. Thanks you!

[@cmaedjr3358]

Weber is a fantastic channel. Glad you sent people there.

[@MrJeffoff]

Great video! You know what you're talking about, and I like that! You ideas to have all new home construction come equipped with an EV charge circuit hard wired in, is smart. Although, I would up the wire size to #6 to allow higher amp draw Tesla chargers to be added. I own a Leaf, a BMW I3, a Toyota RAV4 EV, and A Model 3. Yes, I could get by with a 40 amp circuit feeding 32 amps to all of them, but the Model 3 can charge up to 48 amps, which is helpful the bigger your battery is. I also love the idea you had of utilities getting involved with chargers that can bill to EV charging right to individuals home accounts. Anyhow, I watched video all the way through. Thanks!

[@Nitwon]

19:50 - One potential feature of load sharing in the same garage is charge scheduling. One owner sets their car to charge for a 100-mile journey departing in 3 hours, another sets their car for a 20-mile journey in 5 hours. Through negotiation, the first car would get 100% of the power to ensure it gets as much charge as possible before departing, then the second car can charge as much as it likes after the first one's scheduled departure time.

[@Shoob__]

Except people would always set theirs to the maximum distance to try to gain priority charging over the others.

[@hawkman917]

As an engineer in the utility industry, there is a lot of discussion regarding upgrading the infrastructure of the power grid, which if the number of EVs continues to increase, the grid as it is now won’t be able to handle the increased load.

[@hawkman917]

Ember Sapphire Electric utilities have been working on smart grids since the 2003 Northeast Blackout. The main question is one of capacity, as the aging infrastructure cannot handle it with the increasing number of EVs. The challenge for us engineers is to modernize the grid by making it smart, more robust, and to better incorporate renewables. I look forward to it!

[@SteveBakerIsHere]

That's really a myth. If 100% of cars in the USA magically went electric overnight - it would indeed add roughly 15% more demand. But because at least 95% of charging happens at night. That's when almost all US utilities are under-used. We know that because that's why they offer cheaper off-peak rates. Since there is considerably more than 15% over-capacity in the grid and the power generation stations at night - and that's when most cars are charged - we really won't have a horrific unexpected problem. But in any case, the phasing in of EV's is going to take 20 years - and the upgrades to the grid will adapt as needed.

[@hawkman917]

Steve Baker The concern is even 15% more demand could overburden the aging transformers, circuit breakers, and other components in the grid. You are correct in that it will take at least 20 years to phase in EVs, and utilities are already working towards upgrading the grid.

[@MmeHyraelle]

Black outs are a problem still.

[@gman76utube]

Seems that the more pragmatic approach is the PHEV which makes more sense until battery charging get much faster, and stations are everywhere. Charging a smaller pack won’t add as much to the grid.

[@DunkRyan]

Been watching for years, and just by chance heard you talking about electric cars on NPR yesterday! Congrats!

[@RocRizzo]

It also takes legislatures who understand technology, instead of thinking that it is merely freakin' magic.

[@dorvinion]

Make better product, people will switch voluntarily. No legislature (aka coercive violence) necessary. Simple, easy and compatible with human rights and freedom.

[@sonuchadalavada5193]

We need more engineers and scientists in government!

[@nikolateslax1]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke

[@MrCordycep]

@@sonuchadalavada5193 💯

[@cdw2468]

David Smith regulation of an industry is not coercive violence or a human rights violation

[@eggman9713]

They're expensive because they can be. Also, UL listing is expensive.

[@ntsecrets]

20:30 oh oh oh lets come up with a name for the SAE J1772 - my vote is SelectaCharge

[@sircompo]

EVAPP - Electric Vehicle Angry Pixie Plug (and the associated EVAPO - Electric Vehicle Angry Pixie Outlet)

[@conwaytwt]

Or SelectaVC

[@alex0589]

"Cunty" Hows that?

[@oplkfdhgk]

Small pp(small power plug) :D

[@oplkfdhgk]

And type 2 is big pp :D and ccs is wtf (with two fingers ) :D