The Electric Vehicle Charging Problem

[@RealEngineering]

I hate giving you compliments, but this was great.

[@UnimportantAcc]

noice

[@rly.shiesty]

Pee pee

[@jaidengabriel1675]

Lol

[@Nicholas-f5]

Love hearing compliments

[@tuke3541]

Whats the joke im missing? Alright edit here. I apreciate yalll being nice and explaining the joke but ive gotten the same awnser too many times now Thank you for the awnsers but ive already been cleared the info

[@EEVblog]

CCS is now the standard here in Australia, and all Telsla's sold here have a CCS connector. So it's going to be vastly cheaper for Tesla to just admit defeat in the US and convert to CCS.

[@Noi5ee]

Problem there is what if the US gov. decides to finally mandate a standard, and its not CCS ?

[@ichbinjasokreativ2452]

@@Noi5ee that would be the american thing to do, right?

[@xxgn]

@@Noi5ee The US government won't mandate a standard without consulting the car manufacturers. Or more accurately, the car manufacturers won't lobby for a standard unless it's one they want to use.

[@QTheRabbit]

@@Noi5ee I feel like most in the U.S. government would be smart enough to notice that other countries are making the standard as CCS, and so they would go with that; assuming that they mandate one at all, which is a bit up in the air given their history with this sort of stuff. The government doesn't like mandating these sorts of things unless it has a major incentive to or is lobbied to do so. Which, at the moment, I don't believe either is happening (At least no incentive that is worth it to most in the government). Most likely, they'll let companies decide this, which will simply draw it out for longer until they eventually land on most likely CCS due to other countries making these mandates.

[@EEVblog]

@@xxgn The thing is that Tesla already manufacture cars and chargers with CCS connectors in large volumes for others markets, so it's clear that's the future, they are just stuck with the early adopter problem in the US with the installed charger base and cars.

[@wilman7770]

One point missed in the article is that it is assumed that charging stations will automatically be available whenever you need them. I’m sure it will be fun when you drive to a five unit charging station and there are ten cars ahead of you, each requiring a thirty minute charge.

[@markjarboe472]

That is an important point. A gasoline powered car can be fully refueled in 5 minutes. Thus, 5 to 6 gasoline cars can fully refuel at the same gas pump in one half hour. In order to refuel the same number of EVs over the same period of time (assuming a recharge time of 30 minutes, which doesn’t fully refuel the vehicle) one would need 5 to 6 as many charging stations as gas pumps.

[@klh_io]

A solution to that would be hot-swappable batteries. But that would require battery standardization or manufacturer-specific "charging" stations.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Just drive to another station. And where is high demand, more stations will be installed. One of those imaginary non problems.

[@wilman7770]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 In car you haven’t looked around, there aren’t charging stations available every five miles. Secondly, most gas stations on highways have at least twelve pumps. Most gas cars have at least twice the range of electric cars. Thirdly, electric cars take six times as long to charge. Do the math.

[@jpii8468]

@@wilman7770 Exactly. Baron isn't using logic in his response.

[@XyukonR]

It would be awesome if you could make an update to this video to see how things are progressing.

[@madmayson]

im in africa and they cost 2,000$ for a pickup truck

[@PnutPres380]

alright baby bigga

[@kartikjaggi007]

Much needed.

[@SkyTheHusky2021]

Definitely. The big reason why I got an Ioniq 5 is because of how fast it charges, typically far less than 30 minutes.

[@saablazer]

If I owned an electric car, I would want to do overnight charging at home. But I live in an apartment so that’s not an option. I think that limits many people who would otherwise buy an electric vehicle.

[@jnawk83]

no parking option? if you have a space, talk to your landlord.

[@Ehralur]

It's absolutely an option in a lot of scenarios. I live in The Netherlands for example, and every single parking spot in the parking garage below my apartment complex has EV chargers. On top of that, the government is required to place a charger in your street if you cannot charge the car on your driveway.

[@rap4james]

Since most of China's population lives in apartments, NIO offers battery swap that only takes 3 mins for a full charge.

[@Ehralur]

@@rap4james this is so incredibly untrue. Swapping takes 5 min, but you also need to drive there, wait for the car ahead of you to be done, get out of the car and let someone else drive it in, etc. Realistically it's gonna take anywhere between 10 and 20 min, much longer than refueling at a fuel station. And that's assuming there's even a timeslot available when you have time to swap it, and you don't need to drive to another swapping station much further out. Meanwhile everyone who owns a car needs to park it somewhere, so it makes much more sense to just equip parking lots with chargers.

[@rap4james]

@@Ehralur Oh gosh I am sooo sorry it takes 5 mins rather than 3 LOL ... And yes, you need to drive there just as you would to a gas station or a charging station. I heard their new swap stations will be fully automated with self parking. Realistically I doubt it'll take 10 or 20 mins but if it does you have the option of charging your car with a cable just like any other electric car. Its nice to have the option to choose between a "5 min" battery swap or a 30 min cable charge. Also battery swap allows you to choose between a smaller battery vs a larger if youre every going on a roadtrip or in need the extra miles.

[@EER0000]

As an electric driver in Europe, my biggest gripe is that chargers are unpredictably broken, so you always have to stop at a charger before the last one you could reach, decreasing my already limited range. With more chargers coming available, hopefully this is a temporary problem though :)

[@derpferdeflusterer3460]

what happens when you reach a charger that turns out to be broken but you don't have any power any more?

[@EER0000]

@@derpferdeflusterer3460 call road service so they can tow you to a charging station, some countries also have mobile chargers that they can bring (just a generator with the right plugs). Luckily I’ve never been in that situation, but I’ve come close multiple times (mostly due to chargers already taken).

[@grumpy989]

@@EER0000 UK here, our biggest roadside assistant companies (AA/RAC) have started to roll out vans with mobile generators to rescue stranded EV cars. However, I bet the number of those repair vans with a jerry can and a fuel card far eclipse the number of repair vans with a generator. A lot of charging points are also split between different companies (Tesla, ecotricity, etc) meaning you need about 3-4 different cards to get a charge.

[@6bombarasclategg]

I've made over 10 roadtrips with a model 3 in the past 2 years and I've literally never had this issue? Granted the furthest east I've gotten was Serbia

[@legacytesla]

This is not a location issue, the USA is the same with all charging infrastructure except Tesla. We own 3 EVs and take long road trips in our Tesla all the time, never have had an issue. However we would never do it in the others, without access to the Supercharger network. Electrify America, Charge point, Blink are slow, crazy expensive and as you note in Europe often broke.

[@marcadiusrose]

Heads up. The Chevy Volt is an electric hybrid car with an ICE. It's actually Chevy's Bolt that those statistics apply to.

[@kristapsvalainis1671]

Wouldn't it make more sense the other way around? You know, since a Volt is a unit of measurement for electricity

[@groundzero_-lm4md]

@@kristapsvalainis1671 I mean, Chevy sucks at marketing EVs

[@maxant4285]

I have noticed that mistake too.

[@JakeBartolinOfficial]

I said day one that naming the fully electric car the Bolt would confuse people.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@kristapsvalainis1671 the volt predated the bolt and the at the time the volt came out it was their "EV" option as for the simmilar sounding names that was just stupid marketing.

[@necromax13]

Siri, please put up the average daily mileage of the average American driver.

[@cosmo2420]

That giant gap of charging stations in Australia is just a massive desert. There's very little infrastructure of any kind in that area at all.

[@whydontyouhandledeez]

Yeah I was gonna say Perth is kinda an outlier cause it's the only major city in that half of the continent lol, not a whole lot of casual driving back and forth

[@serafffffff]

I'm guessing there's a highway with gas stations along the way, no?

[@whydontyouhandledeez]

@@serafffffff Barely, even the more popular sections weren't paved until the late 70s, and that was only because they could double as emergency landing strips.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Maybe install solar powered stations along the highway just to bridge a gap?

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

Australia is insignificant in the large picture of EVs as far as population is concerned. Australia will continue to use petroleum for a long time as well as other markets.

[@leonhill8447]

Small detail: rectifier converts AC to DC while an inverter converts DC to AC.

[@besenyeim]

@@roflchopter11 switching converter is not necessarily inverter. And Sam compares it to commercial inverter, which is clearly a DC/AC converter. That's a technical mistake. Not a big one, but annoying. BTW the confusion may came from the fact, there IS an inverter in EVs. It is to drive the AC motor from the DC output of the batteries.

[@CalvinCai_Frisbee]

Buck converter and boost converter adding to the mjx

[@PicaMula]

@@besenyeim exactly that! And it probably skewed the price. The design of an inverter is waaay more complex than that of a rectifier.

[@imthemistermaster]

Rectumfrier

[@adityagovindarajan505]

@@roflchopter11 It is a rectifier that converts the AC supply voltage to DC. There is an inverter inside the car too, used to convert battery DC voltage back into AC to drive the 3 phase AC motor. All switching converters are not inverters.

[@EEVblog]

As for getting from Sydney to Perth in Australia, LOL, nobody drives from any capital city in Australia to Perth, or vice-versa. That's like pretending the nearest city to Los Angeles (Perth) is Houston (Adelaide) and you'd actually want to drive that through a completely empty New Mexico and Arizona. That's how isolated Perth is.

[@minecraft3094]

Lmao i thought the exact same thing. No one would ever drive to Perth from Sydney it's like a 40 hour drive even in a petrol-based vehicle

[@windywendi]

yeah there's hardly any people living between Adelaide and Perth.

[@Byefriendo]

Let's face it: nobody wants to go to Perth full stop /s

[@PsRohrbaugh]

Large families drive long distances all the time - it's way too expensive to fly. As a kid, my parents would load up the 5 kids in the minivan, and the 7 of us would drive from Chicago to Orlando to visit family. My parents would take turns driving and do the entire trip only stopping for fuel - which was about 1150 miles or 1857 km of driving in one day. Single people or even small families can afford to fly or take the train, but since the cost is per person, that becomes less practical the more kids you have. With a car, the cost is basically the same whether there's one person or seven inside.

[@adamneulander]

I would love to you take apaaart an electric car :)

[@muhnameizjeff]

Would love to see this updated with current information.

[@vikingbase]

Wait a couple more yrs... 2026-27 Tesla and CATL will be manufacturing dry battery cells cheaper faster 30%-40% more range faster charging more efficient kWh...

[@PnutPres380]

hey lady digga baby bigga 😂

[@ghost307]

There's one more thing to consider. If you go to a gas station and all the pumps are in use one of them will become available in 3-4 minutes. If you go to a charging location and all the chargers are in use you could be waiting for 20-35 minutes waiting for your turn.

[@SmashGhost]

This is a very real problem that most folks seem to overlook

[@batteryblade]

Yea but that's only a problem in some cities. The reason the problem is over looked its because most people charge at home and never experience it and chargers in towns outside of cities very rarely experience it. It's mostly just a fear from none ev owners who read sponsored articles from dealership, oil industry, legacy auto and the news stations themselves all have profit to lose from EVs becoming popular.

[@Swampster70]

@@SmashGhost I've owned an electric vehicle for 3 years and have never run into this issue and given that I have to charge each time I drive into work in order to get home, I've charged my car hundreds of times and Oakland isn't exactly the DC Fast Charge center of the universe. The problem that you imagine isn't one that you'll likely come across.

[@foobars3816]

"a very real problem" @@SmashGhost Given the two comments above by people who actually own an EV, it's a very FAKE problem!

[@TheBlackWaltz]

​@@foobars3816 It's not a fake problem. it would become a problem as more people adopt the technology. there are only 775,000 evs according to this video. But let's say that jumps up to 5 million within a few years. Unless the amount of chargers stays lock step with the amount of cars sold, eventually you're going to be looking at far more cars per charging station than what you have now. It's a simple scale problem. it may not be an issue now, but it is a possible problem in the future.

[@ltjgambrose]

My "Electric Vehicle Charging Problem" is that I don't have a place to charge an EV. I'm pretty sure most of the other Americans who live in apartment complexes have a similar problem. Edit: I literally don't have a way to get even 120 V electricity out to my parking spot to run a vacuum cleaner. A lot of people would happily slow charge at home but where they park their car is not in a place where they have access to 120 or 240 V.

[@Captainkirk88410]

Simple solution buy a regular gasoline vehicle. Problem solved🤪

[@michaelmulkern9114]

@82snowball What about people who park on the street?

[@Ale-bj7nd]

@82snowball Not all apartments have a garage or a parking spot.

[@s0rc3]

Thats really the whole point of this video, if there was an extensive network of DC fast charging stations (like gas stations) you wouldn't need to worry about having to charge at home (just like you don't refuel your gas at home).

[@ZacharyDussault]

I think this is way more of an issue than the road trip problem. How often does the average American drive across multiple states with their personal car for a road trip each year? Less than 10%? I know people say they want a stupid range like 300+ miles but how often do you drive more than 300+ miles in a day? or 600+ miles if you have charging available at work.

[@watersp00n]

Imagine if you had different petrol stations for Audi, Renault and Ford. Insane!

[@TeKaMOTO]

Imagine a United States with a functioning government that would issue an industry standard for massive infrastructure such as electric charging.

[@TheMohawkNinja]

@@TeKaMOTO Yes, because nearly 250 years of existence, many of which as a world superpower, definitely results from a dysfunctional government........

[@villageblunder4787]

@@TheMohawkNinja. The superpower bit came from a plentiful supply of cheap labour, materials and energy. You know like Russia.

[@A.F.Whitepigeon]

I mean, they do have different stores. Which is also really dumb.

[@lordsiomai]

LMAO. but imo, given time, America will eventually be pushed to create standards. after all, global warming and climate change is just around the corner, and even though capitalism reigns, time will eventually come they will have standards

[@Harbringe]

The cold problem where batteries dont work as well is also a factor. I live in Canada and people here say evs dont last as long as claimed and after a few years the batteries degrade , also cutting the mileage you get.

[@christopherpowell6503]

My biggest barrier is that almost no multi-unit housing has options for charging. In a home it's much easier to set up charging at home, but in most apartment complexes this is simply not an option. As 80% of people live in cities, and more and more people are moving into multi-unit complexes due to the rising cost of real estate, if you cannot fix THAT issue the adoption rate will take much longer than expected.

[@grandpa5508]

While those could be problematic nowadays minor alterations can fix that. To me the problem is going to the bottle neck at the charging stations as well as the duration of a complete charge. Can imagine 20 cars pull into a charging station with only say 5 charging points with each car requiring 4 hrs to charge. After this scenario, now imagine in winter.

[@christopherpowell6503]

@@grandpa5508 Agreed, there is a small charging center where I live with only 4 spaces, sitting around waiting for a spot just isn't feasible. I have a short commute that would never use full range in a single day but without the ability to charge at home at night, I skipped buying an EV a few years ago while in the market and will probably do so again on my next car, and possibly the next after that if fast charging and expanded infrastructure aren't figured out first. There is also the price. I know there is an "ideal" cost that was mentioned, but for much of the population that is still too expensive. Why buy a 35k EV when you can get a used internal combustion for a few grand. When you are on the lower end of income, that makes a big difference, and with the wealth gap growing wider, I don't see a solution to that problem yet either. That used EV market needs to come up, but that will just take time I imagine.

[@Waywardpaladin]

@@christopherpowell6503 While I lived in my apartment I drove with about an hour commute each day, and just needed to stop at a supercharger once a week for thirty minutes, grab lunch, then I was done. Even using the supercharger it was less than 1/3rd what my weekly cost in gas would be.

[@PhDSideQuests]

@@christopherpowell6503 problem with used evs is that battery range degrades and a replacement is 10k+, essentially totaling used ev. This is not really a problem with normal cars since it's not like their fuel tank shrinks with age while the engine also lasts a long time

[@danomitepoop]

@@PhDSideQuests If you look into this it is not much of a concern if you choose an EV from a manufacturer that knows what they are doing (Tesla's are showing ~90% battery retention @ 200k miles for some models) and if this is still a main concern than choose a car with LFP battery chemistry which should last around a million miles. Gas cars do not have a shrinking fuel tank, but do become less efficient with age and use. Agreed it is an expensive item now, although costs are decreasing rapidly and may cost the same as an engine swap in only a few years. I would also encourage you to factor in true cost of ownership - fuel savings, nearly no mechanical maintenance - as most reports I've seen show it is less expensive over the lifetime of the vehicle.

[@FrozenSpector]

“In the EU and neighboring countries like the UK...” Yikes, that just hits different nowadays.

[@tylerw1418]

Why?

[@feedingravens]

@@tylerw1418 Because most Brits perfectly knew the advantages of being part of the EU. The Brexit is nonsense of Trumpian magnitude.

[@tylerw1418]

@@feedingravens interesting. what benefits would that carry?

[@wifibread2677]

@@tylerw1418 paying loads of fees and not being able to trade with the rest of the world the UK paid more to be in the EU than it did getting anything out of it. Basicly uk had more imports than exports. So it did not gain anything out of it

[@feedingravens]

@@tylerw1418 To clarify: benefits of what? Of being part of the EU?

[@raydunakin]

You've left out another big hurdle: Generating capacity. Here in California we can't even keep the lights on reliably with existing generating capacity plus power purchased from outside the state. Where is the power going to come from to supply hundreds of millions of EVs once ICEs are banned?

[@willburk]

Maybe all the drilling and refining facilities could turned into power generating stations? Or...install solar and a powerwall and charge off-grid. Done.

[@thenerfkid9228]

@@willburk or, like, remember that nuclear power exists and makes more power then renewables and actually doesn't actively fuck the planet if done well

[@shadmansudipto7287]

@@thenerfkid9228 people are dumb. They hear nuclear they go crazy. Even when they don't mind coal power.

[@thomasham130]

@@shadmansudipto7287 Well If we could get thorium MSR up and running. Maybe than ppl wouldn't freak out over nuclear power.

[@cre8tvedge]

That's not true. The power is on just fine. I live in Cal where day temps reach triple digits regularly at this time of year and the lights are not going off. Power generation will also increase. Many many green energy generation projects are being built and will be built. There is no lack. Hey the sun shines every day.

[@Bobrogers99]

One other factor is that charging stations are frequently out of order, and repairs are slow to happen. Additionally, some charging stations do not operate in intensely cold weather.

[@huso2307]

Never experienced this. Driven my EV now for 4 years, and it still works fine. Used fast chargers in -25 Celsius without any issue.

[@Dad-vice]

The problem is that people view the “charging problem” by basing it on their ICE experience. The real problem is how to make at-home charging available for urban and apartment dwellers. Those of us lucky enough to own a home know that waking up to a “full tank” every day is one of the joys of owning an EV. We have 3 electric vehicles and even in a typical year only visit a commercial charger maybe 10 times per year on the few longer road trips.

[@jfbeam]

Exactly. With gas/diesel one drives around for days/weeks and then takes a 5min detour to/from work one day to start the cycle over again. With an EV, you drive for a week [+/-], and then plug it in over night. Or if you drive a lot every day, plug it in every night. (it doesn't have to be at 100% charge all the time. Just like your gas tank doesn't have to be "full" all the time.) What *does* worry people -- with some justification -- is how long it takes to charge once it's significantly drained. And yes, without access to a DC "fast" charging system, it will take many _hours_ to recharge. Even at a 100kW+ charging station, it will take close to an hour. Which is _a lot_ longer than the 3-5min at the gas pump. (Plus, as mentioned, the significantly lesser range of EVs. 300mi is huge for an EV, but f'ing laughable for ICE. [unless you're a Nissan van with a squirrel's bladder for a gas tank, giving about a 200mi range.] Most ICE cars go 500+ miles before the light comes on -- could go another 50-100mi before actually running out. Even our horrible Winnebago (80gal tank) can go over 600mi without stopping -- 'tho it is an expensive, 15min stop to fill it back up.)

[@jgr7487]

the problem is that ppl who have never owned an EV still have the idea that you have to go somewhere to charge your car.

[@jfbeam]

@@jgr7487 Some will, if they have no access to power on the street. Others will balk at the cost of a "charger" (J1772 outlet, or Tesla's version) -- that box with an Arduino and a relay is pretty expensive. (the contactor alone is ~150$)

[@andrewpintar1620]

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[@andrewpintar1620]

@@jfbeam - the $1,500 to $2000 install is a pittance compared to the relative annual saving of elec at home vs fast charging $ / kWh rates (and better still than pumped gas)

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

I know for a fact Wendover would have a heart attack if he had an electric plane

[@TheLiamster]

Electric planes already exist but are only prop driven.

[@Spectification]

@@TheLiamster Check out ThunderFoot to learn, why battery aircraft will probably (you can never say anything with absolute certainty, but I am pretty sure) never be mainstream.

[@frederikjrgensen252]

@@TheLiamster Electric planes are probably not gonna be a huge thing. Planes in the future are probably going to run on hydrogen or fuel recycled from the atmosphere.

[@ultraviolet7838]

@@frederikjrgensen252 Solar powered planes also have worked. Only problem is they can’t fly at night.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@ultraviolet7838 there was at least 1 solar powered plane that could fly through the night.

[@tomvandijk9706]

“The predecessor is the internal combustion car that you, yourself almost certainly use” *Laughs in public transportation*

[@jarleskogly8388]

But is that public transport fitted with an ICE? ;)

[@crackedemerald4930]

@@jarleskogly8388 they can use electric public transportation, those are even more common.

[@metricstormtrooper]

No it isn't, I've got a Japanese import EV kei van.😝

[@summerwine9918]

laughs in covid-19

[@seanriopel3132]

@@jarleskogly8388 not always.

[@Ysmir_The_Ancient]

You are right about the whole charging thing, but you forgot to mention Winter Time!! If an EV Car owner doesn't have a garage for their EV, then those cars pretty much turn into a giant brick when it gets cold outside. Check out Chicago and other cold places this Winter season!!

[@solome6478]

Yup just experienced this on a weekend ski trip. Lost over 60 miles just by being parked outside in the cold. It’s a real problem and gives me anxiety about if I can drive home and reach a charger in time 😢

[@redhat421]

On the other hand, EVs do fine in Norway. I hear they have a pretty harsh winter.

[@haruhidaso]

@@redhat421what? It’s a massive problem. I have a friend from Norway and she literally talked about this exact problem with EV in Scandinavian countries.

[@breyrey7612]

​@haruhidaso Norway has yhe highest EV adoption rate. These are real numbers and not just personal testimony. Wouldn't it make sense that folks over there would stop buying if true?

[@haruhidaso]

@@breyrey7612 it’s because the gasoline (ICE) cars are taxed ridiculously high in the Scandinavian countries while EVs are getting tax/fee exemptions that it doesn’t make sense financially to buy it over EV. For example, EV do not have to pay 25% VAT along with registration tax, annual ownership tax, and fuel tax. Also toll fee is max 70% of the ICE and ferry fee is 25% of the ICE. If EVs are really that desirable over ICE vehicle, these incentives are not needed. The problem is mostly negated in Norway because the public transportation in superb, so people that lives in city (apartments) can avoid owning a car. Now the problem now is that those who lives in city and also want to own a car cannot (like my friend) because the battery will just die if it sits without protection and heating.

[@Flyerman777]

17:49 you knoww he had to say “airport” somewhere in this video

[@ZechMadox]

why is this much more funny than it should be ?>?> ahaa

[@fortune3911]

Lol

[@jonathanpalmer228]

@@ZechMadox because he talks about something that flies in almost every single video

[@TaylorMMontgomery]

did you mean the *Bolt* in this video? The *Volt* is a PHEV, not a true EV. The Volt only has about a 60 mile electric only range.

[@WynnHall]

I was thinking the same thing. It’s easy to get them confused.

[@Djof]

There's also no Volt 2021.

[@Nicholas-f5]

And there is a 300 mile club for Bolt drivers

[@eyeborg3148]

Yea... kind of an embarrassing mistake.

[@MrGardenofeden]

Back in the day it took me a while to understand those are different cars. Why tf couldn't they name it a bit more differently?

[@tretbootpilot]

Never thought my small german hometown would be mentioned in a Wendover video, but here we are.

[@moinky2k]

Dito ..

[@philipmcniel4908]

And he didn't even mislabel it as being in Canada like the one time he mentioned my closest local airport!

[@NarratorLP]

Winterberg or Marburg?

[@legomovieman2]

Felt the same when there was an entire video on Poynton in England

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

I'm sure Wendover makes sure to highlight the cities that are only half as interesting as the big ones.

[@stanpritchard7436]

In the UK we now need at least 30 chargers per station to be able to cope with what is out there, and most are broken down, so the time limit for recharging is approx 2 to 3 hours, so the infastructure is not working so what happens when double the amount of ev's are on the road lets say in the next two years, it will be utter chaos because with even 5% broken down station will not cope with the demand, and home chargers will be too expensive to charge at home.

[@anushkasekkingstad1300]

It’s entirely unsurprising that the incompetent UK government is incapable of the most basic forward planning or infrastructure maintenance. In Norway, charging an EV is substantially cheaper and simpler than filling a car with petrol.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

This is a uk problem, not an ev problem. Many other countries are managing this just fine.

[@anushkasekkingstad1300]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 You are entirely correct. Ofcourse it’s a UK problem, brought about entirely by incompetent government. In Norway we have none of their problems and have fully embraced electric vehicles as being a replacement for polluting combustion vehicles.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@anushkasekkingstad1300 yeah, here in the netherlands as well. These things keep popping up everywhere everyday. And chargers nowdays are becomming really small as well. In eindhoven they just introduced a charger that is just a square pole of like 30 by 30 cm and 2 meters high or something that actually is pleasant to look at. It really doesn't stand out between the street lighting trafic light/sign poles and other stuff that is there to accomodate cars. And we are still at the start of this emerging technology. Eventually every parking spot will have a charging unit on it. They will be as common as parking meters and street lights.

[@anushkasekkingstad1300]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716Entirely unlike the English, the Dutch are a progressive nation who find solutions to problems, rather than whinging about difficulties as the English prefer. Our kerbside chargers are less compact than yours but they are hardly eyesores.We have relatively few individual parking meters left, preferring payment machines covering an area of parking spaces. Therefore we already have more chargers than parking meters.

[@levifig]

There's another huge charging problem: even if I could manage with only overnight charging, I have nowhere to charge it overnight in most apartment building's shared garages… 🤨

[@martyscholes119]

Agreed, lack of charging in multi-family housing is a very real problem that we will need to address. I am lucky in that I have a charger at home, but the tenants in my townhome do not.

[@moth.monster]

​@@martyscholes119 If you own the building, you can put one there, can't you?

[@martyscholes119]

@@moth.monster I am not sure. I recently bought it and I am trying to get in touch with the HOA to learn what are my options.

[@SR-pr6vn]

@@moth.monster absolutely in CA AB 1236.

[@michaelgehrmann5331]

Same with having only on street parking.

[@giacintoboccia9386]

7:11 That is the price of an inverter, an inverter transforms DC in AC, to charge a car you rather need a rectifier (wich may be a bit simpler electrically), used to transform AC in DC.

[@winkcla]

Good point. It's even made clear by the description in the screenshot "Input DC", "Output AC"

[@JanBabiuchHall]

@@winkcla this video is riddled with mistakes. Saying Volt when taking about the Bolt, the mismatch between the voice-over and the numbers when comparing states at 15:56

[@spencer961]

I’m glad someone else noticed

[@scruples671]

Chevrolet's EV is called the Bolt not the no longer produced hybrid the Volt.

[@ruddigerburns9051]

Different name, but still pos.

[@travisburdess1071]

Video was total garbage, just another misinformation propaganda piece, doesn't matter what these people say do or think, EVs WILL replace ICEVs very quickly over the next 10yrs. I love both my EVs and would never go back.

[@hardworker5588]

Hydrogen cells are a better technology for cars. This channel is pimping the wrong technology. Woke-dystopia strikes again.

[@travisburdess1071]

@@hardworker5588 being tied to a pump again for a fuel that requires using electricity to make it, to then store it, then FF or electricity to transport it, then electricity to pump it, then convert it back to electricity, Is inefficient. You can get the same electrons right to your garage and straight into your battery without all the losses. AND you don't have to waste time stand at some station filling up. Hydrogen is a great technology, but BEVs are easier to implement with less losses. It's a better technology than FFs, but i see it as inferior to just feeding the electricity right where it needs to be.

[@optimisticnihlist9705]

@@hardworker5588 you're so wrong it's not even funny

[@ManCatCheese]

hybrids are becoming really popular in Australia. The new corolla hybrid is really nice and has really good range for a small fuel tank and battery

[@bradhaines3142]

i still believe a hybrid is the best way to go for now, the flexibility in just how hybrid they can make it is it's own benefit for the manufacturer. look at the rav4, theres a straight gas option, hybrid and even plug in hybrid. best of all worlds with 1 car

[@ManCatCheese]

@@bradhaines3142 plug ins are great because if you're doing local driving of about 50km a day then the battery should cover it. And on longer trips you can just use both the electric and ICE engine for max efficiency. Best thing about hybrids is they are accessible for most middle class folk, and you'll save on fuel the premium paid over the pure ICE model. Electric cars are just too expensive, and will get you stuck in more debt than many can handle. My dad has a hybrid corolla and can get 1000km on the highway, despite its small fuel tank. Great vehicle and I'd love one if I could afford it

[@PremierAutoMan86]

The Chevrolet Volt was discontinued, these facts apply to the Bolt. Great content as always!

[@ewmlloyd]

Well done, GM Marketing Department! Oh, and the Volt was a plug-in hybrid, with only 50 miles of all-electric range at its peak. Still, it was an excellent transition technology.

[@monteclark1115]

Plug in hybrids are probably the best bet until the infrastructure is adequate.

[@mjc0961]

@@ewmlloyd They really did screw the pooch with those names.

[@GTYellowJacket9]

@@monteclark1115 Think about how many times you drive more than ~200 miles in a day. For most people it's not that often. During the transition you can rent an ICE car if you're making a road trip. You're saving a lot in fuel costs so having the added expense isn't that bad.

[@101realtor]

Had a volt for four years. Almost no one knew it could run on gas...GM get messaging and marketing all wrong.

[@anonymousarmadillo6589]

6:07 Inverters convert DC to AC, not the other way round. The word you were looking for is "Rectifier" This video has used the word "Inverters" instead of "rectifier" in a lot of places. 7:10 That off grid inverter is to get Line power from battery banks. Typically in storage solar plants.

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

Don't they also do DC-DC And DC to AC and AC to DC. Because of the inverter of three phase power as you can charge other cars or homes etc. But most homes lack three phase

[@anonymousarmadillo6589]

@@TheMagicJIZZ AC to DC is a RECTIFIER. DC-DC is a buck/boost converter. 3phase or single phase has nothing to do with this.

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

@@anonymousarmadillo6589 thank you for doing my homework. I was hoping you'd give me the answer without googling. Lmao for my project. I don't know what any of these words are

[@thatchookbehindyou]

Thank you for commenting this was about to make the same comment. As stated most AC to DC conversion uses a rectifier in combination with a switching converter like a buck or boost converter Sincerely A student electrical and electronics engineer

[@creepychris420]

nice one boys taught me something new. we all have our own specialist subjects haha

[@InLaymansTermsPlease]

Been installing fast chargers for 10 years now for a few different company's and huge amount of the funding has always been government funds. A lot of grants and subsidies. The bigger problem is finding contractors that want to do the jobs. There small jobs that have several different trades. It's hard to find sub contractors to do the work because the part of the job you need them to do is so minor and when you do find them the bids are very high to make it worth doing the job. This means you have to find small contractors that can do the whole job themselves or at least most of it. Although there small jobs they can be pretty complex. There are a lot of obstacles such as working in a parking lot that has a lot of auto and foot traffic, saw cutting and excavating around existing utilities, running conduit to the stores existing electrical panel which in many cases is on the opposite side of the store, adding ADA ramps and sometimes removing and repaving the parking stalls to meet the max slope requirements for ADA stalls and many other obstacle's. And your have to do all this in a space of about 5 parking stalls that have to be fenced off the entire time. It's not easy to fit all the material, construction equipment and charging equipment in a space that small and still have room to work. And then you throw in the fact that you have to have good coordinating with the store manager, city inspectors and in a lot of cases utility company's to get the electrical powered up. There just aren't a lot of small contractors that can or want to deal with it. Which is part of the reason charging stations aren't be installed at a faster pace. Last time I looked there were 85 jobs (charging stations) ready for bids and installation just in our area. Well, this was a lot longer than I meant for it to be but just wanted to give people a little insight.

[@laurendorrill5025]

Thanks for the info. That is really interesting and I never would have known it otherwise.

[@mrjesse1177]

I’m an electrician, which area ? Send me a message I’ll do them

[@marcruby5844]

Why is Government using My Tax Money to Subsidize Private E.V...Companies.....That's Bullshit....!!!!

[@grayson4652]

@@marcruby5844 theyre using it for a lot worse than that haha

[@cmiller6352]

@@marcruby5844 Why is Government using My Tax Money to Subsidize Private Oil...Companies.....That's Bullshit....!!!!

[@pharynx007]

the other big charging problem for batteries, is that the faster you charge them, and the deeper you discharge them, lowers the battery life significantly.

[@miroenriquez5473]

thats why I find level 2 chargers more gentle to the batteries than the fast chargers

[@Mike-fx4nu]

So does depleting small amounts and regularly charging (nightly).

[@niklas8565]

@@Mike-fx4nunope, small recharges (L2) are better for the battery Health since less overall change happens in the battery crystal structure

[@Mike-fx4nu]

@@niklas8565 "Generally speaking, you shouldn't charge your EV's battery to 100% every night because repeated charging cycles can harm the battery."

[@Mike-fx4nu]

@@niklas8565 We have known for decades that cell phone batteries should be run down low charged back up only when needed. The life of a battery of this type is shortened by regularly charging them up nightly. AKA what most people are doing. For example, running it down to 60% and charging up to 100 every night. With that being said, in nearly every case, EV batteries are inefficient and a waste of money no matter how it is cut.

[@michaelcoler3281]

Two things I wish the video addressed are 1. charging from home 2. The average American daily drive distance

[@SwoopWoW]

Exactly. You don't need nearly as many DC fast chargers as the video tries to imply. Those are only needed for long distance travel. For the majority of daily driving scenarios a cheap AC charger at your parking spot is all that is needed.

[@JimCullen]

The issue is that people don't actually buy based on their normal use case. They buy aspirationally, or based on what they consider they might possibly need to do occasionally. If 99% of my trips are between home, work, and the shops, but 1% of my trips might maybe take me across the Nullarbor, I'm not going to buy a car that can't cross the Nullarbor.

[@MarcelVos]

@@SwoopWoW My parents both rarely drove enough in a day for their job to exhaust a full charge, so overnight charging would be enough for that. However, we did take one or two holidays to France every year, and if you need to drive 1200 km in a day you want to be able to fill up quickly instead of having to wait almost an hour several times. Why would you take a car that works the majority of the time instead of all the time?

[@willmather4046]

@@JimCullen You're missing the point. The problem isn't the 1% it's the density. There's no need to have public car charges at the same density as gas stations because only a small fraction of car charges will be on public charging stations.

[@realplastbox]

@@JimCullen wouldn't that depend on factors such as cost? Here in Norway gasoline is crazy expensive, while electricity.. well, slightly less so. My 2017 Leaf only gets about 210km (130mi) of range, tops, but with cost/mile at less than 1/10th that of a comparable ICE vehicle and a much lower TCO, it would save me money even if I had to lease an ICE car 4-5 times a year. And there are enough fast charges here that finding one is trivial, and the Leaf charges a useful amount in the time it takes to take a leak and maybe enjoy some ice-cream or a hot-dog.

[@denisem.1042]

The biggest barrier keeping me from purchasing an EV is lack of charging stations. It's fine if you own your home and can have a charging station in your home, but if you are like a great many people, you rent. Where I live, you can't find an apartment complex with charging stations. In fact, where I live, I am not aware of any public charging stations.

[@weaponkid1121]

And let's be honest, even if charging stations were as common as gas stations, it's still not a perfect solution. Getting gas takes, what, 5 minutes? 10 minutes max? Charging at a station takes a good 20 minutes or more. That would get annoying quickly. I love electric cars but this is a big problem still. Charging is only more convenient if you can plug in at home

[@mannycat8906]

there are chargers on every major highway except in two states. Tennessee and Kentucky. Every other state I can drive in

[@mannycat8906]

@@weaponkid1121 how often are you driving 300 miles in a day tho? It’s a daily commuter not a cross country vehicle.

[@weaponkid1121]

@@mannycat8906 Right, I'm just saying: if you can charge at home, charging in a huge convenience over gas. If you can't, gas is much more convenient.

[@Madaboutmada]

I am a planner designing the charging station network in a midsized Midwest city. 1. You do not need a "charging station" in your home. They plug in to something like your washer or dryer. You would need a level 1 or 2 charger. A level 3 or DCFC is $100k+. 2. Think about it. Cars spend most of their time parked, either at home or at work. There is WAY too much emphasis placed on the fast charge when in reality unless you are an Uber driver, and just want a clean quiet car to get around town, you don't need this. 3. DCFCs also wear out batteries much faster. The push for DCFC is clearly planned obsolescence to sell more batteries. 4. While the govt should be investing heavily in this kind of infrastructure, it varies wildly by state. CA fundamentally installed the network prior to the Governator taking over. Watch "Who Killed the Electric Car" for a super interesting history lesson. This is why CA accounts for 75% of all charging stations for the entire US today. It wasn't that difficult to update and activate the old stations. However in OH, not a lot of people have any idea what they are doing at the State level. In the mean time, all I can do as a planner is see where existing EV vehicle and charger densities are in the city and build off of that.

[@mental_breakdance7227]

Damn, Wendover must have felt real adventurous to go out of his comfort zone of aircrafts. You are seriously rolling the dice here my friend...

[@flytrapYTP]

Your profile pic goes well with this comment.

[@junrosamura645]

Planes mentioned and shown towards the end of the video.

[@mental_breakdance7227]

@@junrosamura645 ah, he never fails to satisfy

[@unclekanethetiberiummain1994]

If you think about it cars are just planes that never got past the takeoff phase.

[@Bob_Smith19]

It’s why there are so many errors in the video.

[@GalileonPrime]

Shortcomings of EVs beside what is mentioned in the video: 1) Over half of US residents are renters, therefore lack the ability to charge at home. 2) The resale value of used EVs are very low. 3) Estimated battery life is five years. 4) The replacement cost of the battery with labor, in some cases exceed the cost of the car. Aint hindsight wonderful?

[@kuchen_]

“Estimated battery life is five years” you got a source for that? In Aus, most EV batteries are warranted for at least 8 years (or 160,000 km.) From empirical data, modern EV batteries last for 10-20 years.

[@LuisHuangSF]

I work in the EV Charger industry, and this is extremely well-researched video, kudos.

[@currentmindset5186]

It true that it’s well researched however the basis is overall misleading. There is no problem with charging. Over a year with my car now and two long trips. No issues. This coming year I get solar and power walls. After that 95% of my driving will be free

[@anotheraggieburneraccount]

There are a number of mistakes, though. 1. He mistakenly referred to the Bolt as the Volt, which are 2 different cars 2. He referred to rectifiers as inverters, and showed the price of an inverter. 3. The chevy volt uses a J-1772, not CCS. This is a minor mistake but is important 4. He said something positive about the "state" of oklahoma 5. Salina was mispronounced

[@kennethrobertson1733]

It's a decent video, but he didn't really touch on the fact that for people who own homes, don't need to go more than 200 miles in a day and don't need to take their car on a road trip, charging has been solved. When I talk to friends and family about EV's, they always bring up the point of "Where the hell am I supposed to charge it?!", and when I bring up if they have electricity in their home they can charge it there they often have a moment of realization. Also, if you get stuck anywhere, you can always plug it in a standard wall outlet, so I always carry around a 50' extension cable just in case.

[@Antigen__]

"George Westinghouse and his alternating current system." Nikola Tesla: what the hell

[@EFCasual]

Westinghouse actually made products.

[@faroncobb6040]

Westinghouse Electric was the company that made AC power the standard in the US, Tesla was just a guy that they licensed some AC motor patents from. AC was already becoming popular in Europe at the time, and Westinghouse also looked at another set of AC motor patents that predated Tesla's before deciding that Tesla's patents were more useful.

[@bma1996]

I was looking for this comment

[@jugern0t]

It was Westinghouse who gave Edison a run for his money as a businessman, but considering the link to electric cars, a mention of Tesla would have been appropriate.

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

The war of currents still continues, but on a new battle field....

[@Patangy]

I physically rolled my eyes when you mentioned the different standards and gave a sigh of relief at the EU/CCS part. Who knew a documentary could be such a rollercoaster

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

To be fair the only standards left are CCS and Tesla... Cetmo stopped being a thing and the other one is just the low power form of CCS.

[@Corloi]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough And Tesla won't do anything about it if not forced to, as they were in Europe

[@johnbeech]

You can argue Tesla are still developing the technology. Standards become standards by volume and convenience. It's a natural market force to evolve and these connections to there best utility. Look at how awesome USB-C plugs are - so obvious in retrospect, but it took decades of design iteration and factories, and manufacturing scale to get to this point. Just need a slightly long timeline on this - standards emerge based on evidence, they're not set and perfect from day 1.

[@CharlesGregory]

@@Corloi They weren't forced to in many other countries which are not Europe including Jordan, UAE, Hong Kong, Macau, Kazakhstan, Australia, New Zealand - all of these use CCS2 standard, same as Europe.

[@tolgatekin9696]

My next car will be an even older car.

[@MistaPDG]

😂😂😂 I feel the same way

[@pou1219]

😂 I feel you. Because of planned obsolescence and because of brokeness

[@prebenbj]

The strength of EVs is that you charge at night every day. You’re not going to a refueling station (fast charger) on a regular basis like a ICE-car. It’s a new way to think. Fast charging is ONLY for large distance trips. Most people have a short enough commute to be able to charge at night.

[@Travis0palzae]

And apartment people can charge at the grocery store!!!!!!!!!

[@FonikosGazmas]

@@Travis0palzae Or throw a plug from the balcony to the car and hope nobody unplugs it overnight XD

[@ThatsPety]

Absolutely. And you can stick charges in spots that you can't stick gas stations. For example, a lot of colleges have EV charging spots, so you go to class, and by the time you get out you have dozens of miles of range. Or a lot of workplaces also have EV charging spots right in the parking lot, so you get off work completely filled without even thinking about it. And all of these cases, you can go months and months without ever explicitly stopping at a place to fill your car

[@zeroone8800]

Then the government should require all condos and apartments with parking lots to install AC charges for every stall. Then in places with only street parking install charges on the sidewalks. That is the solution. If the pandemic has taught use anything, it is I will not go to a store for 30 minutes so I can use my car.

[@mjc0961]

Yep. I always see FUD spreaders saying crap like "I want my charge in 5 minutes like the gas station!" and I'm thinking that 5 minutes is too long to spend interacting with the fueling process of my vehicle. I want to plug it in and walk away. Come out the next morning, unplug it and drive away. And never have to stop or go out of my way like I do for a gas station. I can't wait to never go to a gas station and stand outside in the cold squeezing a gas pump nozzle again.

[@rosentrantz0]

"Invertor" converts DC to AC. The correct term for AC to DC is "rectification".

[@jfbeam]

Inside and EV, it's a "charger".

[@seanwatts8342]

That's definitely not the only mistake in this video.

[@WindyJAMiller]

Yeah I dont want to be a d*ck but its not the best video out there for this topic. Far too much simplification, its too dumbed down.

[@seanwatts8342]

@@chaist94 Americans _INVENTED_ electric cars, and NO it wasn't Elon Musk.

[@seanwatts8342]

@@chaist94 He's a US citizen for several years now. Try to keep up.

[@cazgerald9471]

10:13 I think this is an underestimate of the required fast charging stations. It's not just the distance between each fueling / charging station, it's also the wait for vehicles in front of me to finish fueling / charging. Consider how many gas stations and pumps are available, yet we often have to wait for an empty pump. What would that wait be like if it took 15 or more minutes for every vehicle to pump half a tank of gas?

[@Scott_Salmon]

it would be negated somewhat because you'd be able to charge your car at home, so the only people sitting at the charging stations would be those that are travelling. There would be way less traffic at the charging stations compared to gas stations. Still though, that's a good point and research into that definitely needs to be done.

[@Kennosuke88]

More then that! On a busy day of recharging I'd say your looking at an hour minimum of waiting to even get to the plug...let alone waiting for the car to charge.

[@dreamwolf7302]

@@Scott_Salmon Except most EVs would require expensive, special hookups to really charge at a home. And most homes dont have the electrical infrastructure to support that. So you are looking at a special hook up, including separate circuit breaker box, which need to be installed by a licensed electrician. My neighbor just bought a Tesla and was bragging that it cost him 18k total to get his garage set up to charge it in accordance with the manufacturer specs. I was laughing my ever-living ass off when he tried to go to work the other day and after charging all night in the single digit temps, his car barely had a 1/4 charge, and he ended up being towed home because his batter failed due to the cold.

[@rorymajors2504]

Bingo

[@letsgobrandon416]

If you live in an apartment, you can't install a charger, even if you want to. Most people live in an apartment, so you won't be reducing the number of stations needed. And considering the lines we already wait in on a work day before rush hour to fill gas, which takes 3 minutes, if it takes 30 minutes, you'll need ten times as many at a minimum. Possibly more. That makes it vastly more expensive infrastructure because you have to have so much excess capacity for peak demand to prevent multi hours waiting lines. Such waiting lines will definitely push people away from EVs if they happen, and you could see a weird swing back to gasoline cars right when it looks like EVs won. This charging problem is the biggest issue, and really, I don't think it has any hope of being truly solved this decade. We might see the final solution before the decade is out, but I'll wager that 2030 will come and go before everyone is within 4 minutes of charging their car to 300 miles in 30 minutes.

[@OrKaPcMaster]

Love your content. This popped up in my "Watch next" again now and thought I would give it a once over, since it has been a few years since it first came out. While it packs a lot of information, it also can be confusing and misleading for an average Joe, as it has still a lot of technical detail and some wrong information inherent to the state of things when the video came out. I think it would be a great video idea to prepare a video update of the current state of things. As someone who live in Sweden, we are far beyond the tipping point really, but there is still a lot of people that are still very resistent, even though most issues are solved. In the USA, afaik, all the points you bring up are also already solved (or in the process of being solved), so I do wonder about your viewpoint on how things will be progressing now. Cheers and happy new year!

[@bpnta]

There’s an error in this video at 6:02. What is being described in the video should be a rectifier, not an inverter. Inverters only convert DC to AC. The device that converts AC to DC is called a rectifier.

[@Zilahi-Branyi_Laszlo]

Also at 7:01 it shows an inverter (literrally written on the scene "DC to AC Power"), nevertheless not recognised by the video maker that it is not what he talking about and made price estimation based on that irrelevant thing.

[@animaze86]

bridge rectifier to be exact.

[@kistosable]

@@animaze86 double wave bridge rectifier. You had to get that precise...well you didn't say if it was double or single wave rectifier

[@animaze86]

@@kistosable lol indeed :)

[@prakash2k778]

The precise nazi

[@justamanchimp]

Hey Wendover, when you display data as fact like "The average person in the US is 4 minutes away from a gas station", could you pop just a little link at the bottom of the picture stating the source? I think it's super important for such a bitesized video.

[@unknown-ql1fk]

Especially as "average" is SUPER misleading when cities house massive numbers of people in a few city blocks. I live on a farm...40 miles from a town

[@tolga1cool]

+1

[@Pallidum]

Notice the numbers in brackets in the lower left corner? Those are references to sources linked in the description. Check references 6 and 7 for your sources.

[@darealist690]

@@unknown-ql1fk it's not really misleading he said "average" that includes rural and urban so it won't be correct for everyone.

[@HeroNotScout]

@@unknown-ql1fk Thats how mean(s) work, as outliers like city folks skew it quite heavily towards one end or another

[@cuteypetz]

"in the EU and neighbouring countries like the UK" *clutches chest in pain at the reminder of [redacted]*

[@PrimiusLovin]

L'UE et la banlieue. A UE e arredores. La UE e las redondezas. Die EU und die Vororte. L'UE e le periferie.

[@Geo.StoryMaps]

BREXIT

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

Brexit was good though...

[@KentoCommenT]

@@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit not for people like me that buys everything off aliexpress when any UK business doesn't want to import it at all, or for anything less than a 100% markup.

[@jgr7487]

why clutching your chest? have you seen the difference between British & European Covid vaccination? have you seen that the UK bought the AstraZeneka vaccine in March, while the EU waited until August to buy it? have you seen that the UK has funded AstraZeneka's vaccine development, while the EU & Germany offered the 0€ to BioNTech, which had to work alongside Trump-funded Pfizer? that's why Germany, France, Italy, & the EU are attacking AstraZeneka's efficacy.

[@101010Meaning]

Excellent video, however, the massive problem that wasn’t mentioned is grid capacity both in terms of power generation and the poles and wires. Here in Australia government incompetence has resulted in a power generation and grid stability crisis that is only going to get worse. The existing poles and wires do not have the required capacity to support widespread adoption of electric vehicles.

[@nickedgar6706]

Even if there were as many charging stations as gas pumps, at 15-30 mins per charge…The lines and wait to get “plugged-in” would be incredible!

[@IMCcanTWEESTED]

This is why the transition to EV will take way longer than GND advocates would like. I'm beginning to think they don't actually care. They want everyone in EVs and they want that now. All the better that it hinders extended trips. After all, the Marxists WANT there to be a breakdown in the nuclear family. Nothing more corrosive to familial relations than separating family members across distances that would be nearly impossible to travel by EV.

[@buzz4633]

Most EV's will be charged at home and only rarely need a DC fast charge. That drastically decreases the need for fast charging stations. You won't need as many DC fast charging stations as gas stations. On top of that new battery types will charge even faster.

[@StoneWT]

Yeah, it may be cool now to get an EV when you're the only person at the "pump" or there is one other car, but what happens when you have to wait in line like customers at gas stations? It won't be as cool at that point.

[@gummostump4217]

@@buzz4633 aside from our homes, places like workplaces or malls or superstores where people park for long periods anyways are already starting to provide ev charging.

[@Scarecrooo]

@@IMCcanTWEESTED If you think about it....it is good for gas stations...you will eat there and drink...so consumption is going to increase and they make more money from it.

[@Soepsliert]

Don't you mean the Chevy Bolt? The Volt has been out of production since 2019

[@cortburris9526]

Yeah, he even showed a picture of it (bolt) like 10 seconds before.

[@robspiess]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a "2021 Volt" :(

[@meateaw]

The Volt isn't even an EV, its a hybrid. SMH.

[@anthyman1]

@@cortburris9526 the shilouette? That was a '17 Volt

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

This EV video needs clarification, if not correction. It makes me worried about other information I see when I watch this channel

[@Stadttaube]

1. Half: Hm, this sounds like a problem the EU could solve. 2. Half: Oh, we already did solve it? Neat! Go Team

[@m0llux]

YUROP!!! *sings Ode to Joy*

[@TheWindseed]

Yup. As a brit I'm gutted,

[@rinus454]

This is one of the benefits people forget when dissing the EU because it's not exciting and taken for granted.

[@nicolaswolff1664]

@@m0llux Freude schöner Götterfunken

[@Stadttaube]

@@TheWindseed As gutted as we were to lose you guys.

[@galadimapaul7706]

By far the most detailed explanation of EV adoption barriers. Nice!

[@incognitotorpedo42]

The car you're calling a "Volt" is actually a "Bolt". The Volt was a plug-in hybrid that was discontinued a few years ago.

[@daviddennis5789]

Also at 5:30 they say "AC to DC inverter" correct me, but I think inverters convert DC to AC and a transformer rectifier converts AC to DC.

[@tomsixsix]

@@daviddennis5789 Correct. Though it's more of a DC to AC converter because it uses a switch mode power supply and not a big iron transformer like a power grid might use.

[@JESUSCHRIST-ONLYWAYTOHEAVEN]

TURN FROM SIN AND CALL UPON JESUS TO SAVE YOU OR YOU WILL FACE THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD! HE IS A LOVING GOD BUT HE IS A JUST GOD SO HE HAS TO PUNISH SIN! ITS NOT A GAME PEOPLE, YOU COULD DIE TOMORROW, QUIT PLAYING AROUND, THESE ARE END TIMES!!! TURN TO JESUS NOW! ASK HIM TO FORGIVE YOUR SINS STOP PUTTING YOUR HOPE IN THE GOVERNMENT, IN RELIGION, IN SCIENCE, IN WEALTH, IN CELEBS, IN SPORTS, IN THE WORLD (IT WILL PERISH!) YOU CAN STAND ON YOUR OWN AGAINST GOD AND TRY TO JUSTIFY YOUR SIN WHEN YOU WONT EVEN BE ABLE TO LOOK UP YOU WILL BE WEEPING IN TERROR REALIZING YOU MADE A BIG MISTAKE. YOU WONT WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH GOD, HE CREATED EVERYTHING!!! GOD SEES EVERYTHING YOUVE EVER DONE; YOU WONT FOOL HIM!!! OR PUT YOUR TRUST IN JESUS WHO DIED ON THE CROSS AND TOOK THE WRATH OF GOD IN OUR PLACE FOR OUR SINS. IT'S A FREE GIFT BUT HE CANT FORCE YOU TO TAKE IT. WILL YOU CALL UPON HIM NOW AND SURRENDER TO HIM. TALK TO HIM LIKE ABEST FRIEND, HE'S WAITING AND HE LOVES YOU. Turn back to God Our Creator, not religion. Religion creates bondage, in Christ there is freedom. Im not talking church, im not talking religion, im talking relationship with your Creator. Call upon Jesus now and ask Him into your life and to forgive your sins. hell is the absence of God Almighty who gives us the breath in our lungs, water, food, sunshine, love, kindness, patience, faithfulness, hope, rest, help etc. hell is real and its a place of torment: you will have to live with all your mistakes, regrets, you will feel all the pain you caused others... you be hungry but not be able to eat you will be thirsty but wont be able to drink you will be tired but cant sleep you will have no hope you will have no rest you will feel pure hatred towards you (satan and the fallen angels/demons hate you and want to drag you to hell) “For the wages of sin is death (hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” -Romans 6:23 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." -John 14:6 "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." -Matthew 10:33

[@awack_]

The Bolt has also been recalled stay away from GM. they only kill Evs.

[@werelemur1138]

@@JESUSCHRIST-ONLYWAYTOHEAVEN And people say atheists never shut up.

[@aidanadkins5922]

You made a mistake with the names of the Chevy cars. The Chevy *Volt* with a "V", is a plug-in hybrid, and is discontinued, so you can no longer buy a new one. The Chevy *Bolt* EV with a "B", is their fully electric vehicle, and is still in production.

[@samsaxe-taller8333]

The new Bolt EV's EPA range is exactly 259 miles, so it seems pretty clear that he meant the Bolt EV, not the Volt, not to mention he put the Bolt EV's MSRP.

[@GeneGirard007]

LOL GM marketing. Absolutely nobody knows the difference between the two vehicles.

[@GeneGirard007]

@@samsaxe-taller8333 are you fucking kidding me. The narrator pronounced "Volt" and not "Bolt." The name of the model is spelled out in 2 different illustrations - both times V and not B. You think Wendover productions can't spell? In fact, the more I think of this, I am dismayed that Wendover hasn't addressed the issue here. I rely on their expertise. Mistakes can be made. They can be fixed. Notice of errata, corrections, etc. Nobody wants to spend who knows how many hours on a video just so people can watch it and say, well that might be right for the research might be slipshod or proofreading so poor that at best you can say, but who knows for sure. Sycophants attempting to divine meaning in the face of unambiguous statements do not help anyone.

[@mikumikuiyada]

Why are we fighting over this? if its not tesla, does it even matter? haha. I mean, just like i wont buy a kangaztan made internal combustion car, i wont buy a non-tesla...

[@mastertrumpet101]

Actually the volt is an electric car. The whole car system is electric. It just uses the engine to recharge the battery. It's more of a electric car with a generator back up if anything.. The only reason why it's "considered" a plug in hybrid is because there are situations where it uses the engine at high speeds because it's economically more efficient that way. It's a complicated and hard to understand car though.

[@markchapmon8670]

I live in North Alabama and when I want to go somewhere beyond the range of our BoltEV, I just open the other garage door and climb into the Silverado. You have to be able to find a charging station, it has to function AND there has to be more than 1 or 2 in order to not wait for an extended period of time before you can plug in.

[@JohnDoe-mx1sq]

Your Silverado and your Bolt will both last forever too. This isn't a solution for everyone, but it is a good option for those who have it.

[@isnipdog2007]

First world problem. 95% of people only drive a range like that away from home and less than 99% do that when an extra hour is life or death. I've had my EV for a while now and that has never happened once. Plus being realistic, most households are dual vehicle and I do see the next 10 years at least being overlap of having both for convenience. But the time for most people to consider thier first EV has come. Factor in Covid-19 ushering in the age of WFH and it's a no brainer. I thought it was going to be a problem also before we purchased our Tesla.

[@isnipdog2007]

@@JohnDoe-mx1sq i would put good money on a Tesla lasting far longer than any GM product in existence. There is simply less to go wrong over time, especially as the miles at up. We tried 2 GM vehicles over the past 15 years. They are a must sell after 125k. Religious dealer maintenance did zero to avoid defects they made me pay for early in it's life and total systems failures after 100k. I've owned Toyota most of my life and NEVER got to know the personal name of dealership repair employees, because you end up only going a few times.

[@markchapmon8670]

@@isnipdog2007 If I had bought a Tesla, it wouldn't be an issue at all. There are easily accessable Superchargers in the driving range (of our BoltEV) of my house in any direction I'd care to go. If/when I buy another EV, it WILL have a Tesla logo on it.

[@jailbird1133]

@@isnipdog2007 tesla has the build quality of a 90s Kia. My 98 S10 went 300k with me, and is still going on its original engine and tranny

[@willv88]

Would be nice to see an updated video mentioning what's happening in China given how they'll likely play a larger role if not THE largest role in EV adoption in the coming years. The sheer # of vehicles sold, # of stations, and also their unified standard means they're solving some of the core problems mentioned in the video.

[@mostmost1]

Yes! This video is outdated now. Model 3 is under 37K with incentives. Tesla outselling many auto makers, more profits and the Chinese are crushing the market.

[@cli4g67graS]

In cities in china, communities have lots of charging stations, some people installed their own near the apartment building if possible, and near roads, you also find a lots of charging stations...

[@rocket3man]

Norway has a significant percentage of EV adopted now, they have switched from ICE.

[@60secondfinance81]

Next video on Wendover: The logistics of flying Teslas

[@AxxLAfriku]

I could cry when looking at my like dislike ratio. I have so many jealous people that my videos always get way more dislikes than likes. Please don't be jealous, dear fh

[@webforder4201]

@@AxxLAfriku you get dislikes because you ask people to subscribe on other videos

[@benji37]

It wont happen.. sorry

[@martiddy]

Actually, Tesla is planning to make electric planes in the future.

[@Ryan-xu3zf]

He keeps mentioning the Chevy “Volt”, which is a hybrid. I think he means the Chevy “Bolt” which is their EV.

[@kp5803]

It is a hybrid - but an electric dominant hybrid. Own one myself nothing like a prius at all and rarely ever use gasoline. It's just a backup.

[@markallen8022]

Yes he mentioned the range for the Bolt as 240. Volt range is much shorter

[@freundron]

@@kp5803 Yup, Volts are series hybrids (full time electric motor) while a Prius is a parallel hybrid.

[@freundron]

@@markallen8022 Yup! BoltEV rated at 259; I believe the best a Volt ever got for AER was about 53 miles.

[@77142957]

He was referring to the Bolt.

[@ZMSTA]

That bush at 17:30 is like what did I even do to you man...

[@nansong216]

Please do an update on this topic! I am very interested to know how far we have progressed in these short 3 years

[@joshzeter3642]

At the risk of being :that guy:, an inverter converts from DC to AC (inverts the voltage at 60hz), whereas a a rectifier converts from AC to DC (rectifies the voltage wave to DC).

[@AuxiliaryPanther]

A rectifier is a "dumb" component, usually the first part of a converter, as it makes the buck or boost conversion process more stable. Converters will smartly control their output voltage, which allows for droop control or current limitations.

[@joshzeter3642]

@@AuxiliaryPanther Agree 100%.

[@altersami9660]

You're not "being that guy". That's a very important distinction. Inverters and rectifiers are designed completely differently, and rectifiers in general are a lot cheaper than inverters, so that price comparison he showed was completely wrong. Honestly, if he couldn't get this basic piece of information correct, then I doubt the legitimacy of anything else in the video.

[@gharwood1356]

Was annoying me, as well. When they get things like that wrong, what else is there that's inaccurate?

[@pradhyudh]

@@altersami9660 he has to answer to this comment

[@binarius8031]

In Germany the plug may be the same, but there are far too much different companies running chargers. Some charging per minute, some by amount, some are subscription based. Everyone of course has its own prpprietary login.

[@seraphina985]

Sounds like another thing the EU could potentially solve with regulation, something like requiring all these charging companies to implement a standard that allows anyone to log into any charger. Obviously, allow the provider of the charger to charge a fair regulated rate per connection plus the wholesale cost of the electricity supplied in effect making them have to lease the charger out on non-discriminatory terms that allow both the infrastructure provider and the billing service to make a reasonable but not excessive profit. The EU already has a history of standing up to companies using abusive practices to screw over consumers such as pushing local loop unbundling and regulating roaming charges. Doing this could have other benefits too I would not be surprised if home energy suppliers started offering to let customers have their public EV charging station use billed to their home energy bill for example. They are already well placed to do this as this is pretty much how they supply power to homes also they lease the grid connection and pay wholesale rates for the power consumed then bill these costs as service charges and retail unit rates to consumers.

[@Steamrick]

There's some movement towards single login for multiple companies as far as I know. The bigger issue as I see it is that there's far too many of those puny error-prone 50kW charging stations like the one shown in the video. Those are shit. My parents own an Audio eTron and we had a trip once where two chargers in a row failed, both 50kW. We only barely made it to a third stop with a working charger. The best experiences so far have been with those big white ionity 350kW capable charging stations. Those also tend to have more than just the one per stop.

[@kovu159]

The ones that need a proprietary card are the worst. You think you found a charger but you have to apply and they mail you a card weeks later. Doesn’t charge my car now.

[@jimurrata6785]

You'd think that the 'handshake' would be in the socket itself. I suggest that every car on the road already has a VIN. "Hi! I am eTron #1234567, and I see that my fob/key is close by. Here is a hashed link to my universal charging account"

[@Olsulor11]

@@jimurrata6785 It's already implemented in the CCS standard, so far only Mercedes and Ionity (combined) are using it.

[@gta97]

Ironically, I'm watching this in my Tesla Model 3 while charging. Great video!

[@lsd25records]

of course your charging... -40C around here right now..

[@Thinkofwhat]

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[@lsd25records]

@@Thinkofwhat coal powered plants

[@shiba18inu]

1-min refuel with max 3-min queue. Vs a 31-min charging vs godknowshowlong queue. Yea I wonder why it's not attractive to the mass market. Great video though! Learnt quite a lot.

[@nirvanachile24]

As an Oklahoman, I am SHOCKED that my state government has actually done thinking about this.

[@stokes2672]

What?

[@undifini]

As a European, I’m pretty surprised to hear the EU has done something sensible with charging 😆

[@JordanShackelford]

I'm homeless in oklahoma and I sleep at charging stations lol

[@olli2074]

@@undifini What insensible has Eu ever done?

[@stevebaker7772]

I watched some documentary on Okalahoma's weed plan. In at least that one area I think you guys are the most progressive state in the nation. Yet to be seen if it's successful, but it is progressive.

[@jip5844]

Welcome to episode 51 of: how should I put planes in this video?

[@BellaBarossa]

#Truth

[@jip5844]

Nooo he didn't put planes in

[@Ivandor12]

@@jip5844 17:47 he did

[@jip5844]

@@Ivandor12 wow well spotted

[@Hamdad]

This is why I own a Volt. 99% the benefits of an EV, but gas for when I need to go long distances through areas with no chargers. I often say that EVs are the cars of the future, but PHEVs are the cars of today.

[@SchotM]

Volt is not EV, is Hybrid. The BOLT is a full EV

[@spidercubed9718]

@@SchotM yes that is the point

[@Keestral]

@@SchotM PHEV vs. BEV still EV lol.

[@jeremykooyer7036]

ICH... agreed. Love my Gen 2 Volt! REDUCES (not eliminates) gas dependency. I go weeks without using a drop, but have it when I need it. Best of both worlds.

[@HR15DE]

not gonna lie you make sense. even if everyone owned a car like that. imagine to reduction of pollution. also gotta get that power from nuclear power plants hopefully. but still expensive cars tho. paying that much money for a small low quality interior car like that ? yikes

[@randomyoutubeuser8509]

It's crazy how outdated this video became in 3 years which is a good thing

[@jimstone5401]

The line waiting for the charger would be INSANE.

[@fortitudevalance8424]

Totally agree I cannot see this working in 10 years time where people will be queuing to charge their vehicles, total hindsight. It won’t be just cars but trucks too. Tesla and Scania are pushing for electric heavy goods vehicles, imagine the queue then!

[@fortitudevalance8424]

@Peter Hicks yeah the August bank holiday queues on the M6. NEVER AGAIN.

[@mikeflanary642]

wireless charging lanes on highways. electric cars also have the advantage of being able to charge at home when not in use.

[@edwardlinne2156]

@@fortitudevalance8424 Trucks will be able to charge at warehouse so maybe not a huge problem and cars can charge at restaurants etc. also. I worry more about supply of electricity.

[@kevinireland8020]

As would using coal to generate electricity AND thinking your car is reducing green house gases. STUPIDITY!

[@jonas1015119]

Was not expecting Winterberg to show up in a Wendover video

[@molrat]

lmao

[@HI-tc2os]

ich auch

[@patrickmartin3322]

We really need a standardized electric vehicle charger plug design in the US.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Problem is the GOP and government as a whole but less so than the GOP sold itself to corporations. So they do not care to upset them in any way that truly matters.

[@jrb_sland5066]

@@mittensfastpaw ...Things like standards need special attention. Blaming this group or that for less-than-ideal situations doesn't help. Marketplace competitions may have outcomes that trouble the tech purists - BetaMax looked better, but VHS was cheaper. Once the product meets some [subtle] social threshold, it often does a hysteretic flip to one or the other. Should gov't perhaps insist that the various manufacturers sit down & negotiate this, with about a one-year deadline? Why not simply let a few businesses make & sell adapter cables?

[@emperorpicard6474]

One will come and it does not have to happen with government involvement either. Eventually the best charging standard will win.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

@@emperorpicard6474 The best standard already won, and is CCS. Tesla is only using their own standard in North America due to bureaucratic inertia, they aleady sell cars with CCS adapters for other markets and most of the world is adopting CCS. It woluld make no sense to mantain an incompatible standard.

[@emperorpicard6474]

@@quisqueyanguy120 Well, if that is true then no regulation is needed and Tesla will adopt CCS on its own. But if it is not true, then we should let the competition continue until a better alternative is reached. Either way, no regulation is needed.

[@neygercey7899]

Great presentation and I agree 100% with your conclusion. Infrastructure is key element in this equation. And that’s was my very first question that I put to the speaker back 7 or 8 years ago when I first heard about electric vehicles (it was trucks actually). Infrastructure and energy production and distribution to the very end where you plug in your vehicle for charging and for how long. And yet today it seems nobody in the government is taking care of those questions, not at the speed we consumers would like them to do. I live about 7 blocks away from a 60kWh charging station and have an EV since last month and use it 95% in the city. No charging at home yet, but soon it will be resolved. And I’m just loving my new EV.

[@owencjones]

Minor correction: the component that converts AC to DC is a rectifier, not an inverter (which does the opposite). They image you showed of an inverter is a device for use at things like solar farms to create AC to feed in or power large devices.

[@Whistlewalk]

In a cold country like Canada, in November for instance, a quick overnight run between Vancouver and Calgary is years away. Not attractive.

[@inventor121]

I've done a run between Vancouver and Calgary, in an EV (rental) I'm not going to lie, it would have been quicker with gas and it was during the summer (so we had the AC going). But if there were actual superchargers at gas stations it would have been much easier. I think I spent about 2.5 hours charging. Once in Golden at the PetCan and once in Kamloops. They weren't too bad since we had to stop for dinner anyways in Kamloops. But it was worrying to be limping into Vancouver on 20% battery.

[@sufferr2914]

We took a quick overnight trip from Vancouver to Calgary in a Tesla model 3 in February 2021.

[@inventor121]

@@sufferr2914 mine wasn't a Tesla but it would be interesting to here what your experience was like.

[@sufferr2914]

@@inventor121 I honestly couldn't tell you my dad drove and I slept

[@johnwang9914]

Except with a battery trailer or generator trailer. Granted Canada doesn't have a company offering such rentals as Germany and France does but you could always just rent an internal combustion engine vehicle if you really needed to make a long distance run. Note a battery trailer company would have to set up a large number of sites where a depleted trailer could be swapped for a charged trailer such as at gas stations and rest stops but a generator trailer company only needs offices at the destinations, perhaps at dealerships.

[@allenamenbesetzt]

17:48 I had to wait far too long for this Wendover video to mention planes or airports.

[@SeauxNOLALady]

This video was made three years ago and the advancement of vehicle charging technology has made leaps and bounds.

[@TheCumulusClimber]

As an EV owner, I find that the fueling is much more convenient on the whole than it was when I had a gas car. Charging at home (if that is an option for you) is hard to beat. Highway driving is a bit slower because of longer stops but the drive is much is quieter and is better for listening to music or audio books. YMMV :)

[@KiLLJoYYouTube]

a gas station takes 5 minutes to fill up, not 10 hours lol

[@cole2839]

Yeah so charging overnight instead of taking 5 min to get gas is "more convenient". Sure buddy, whatever makes you feel good about your purchase. Plus a LOT of people simply can not charge at home because they live in apartments or CURB PARK their cars. Also a lot of homes don't even have garages or a place to use a charger. I know, this is crazy to you since you live in your little suburban bubble where all your neighbors have houses with garages. But news flash, there are LOTS OF OTHER scenarios where that is NOT TRUE.

[@broyderpole7497]

@@cole2839 yeah...isn’t that the point of this video buddy?

[@lemonandgaming6013]

@@cole2839 holy why are you so pissed ? sure you are right, but damn

[@howmuchmorecanItake]

@@cole2839 l0l someone's mad

[@dupertuber8442]

5:58 Correction: AC->DC is a rectifier, DC->AC is an inverter. Edit: Also, the thing you searched for at 7:01 is a DC->AC inverter which cost more and are bigger than rectifiers. A normal AC->DC rectifier would cost MUCH less.

[@saikatghosh90]

yes because synchronization requirements are not there in rectifier, which makes the circuit more simpler

[@dupertuber8442]

@@saikatghosh90 they are completly fundamentally different. A rectifier only has to have 1 diode to be a rectifier (best is 4 diodes, 1 capacitor). An inverter is so much more complex with lots of transistors to produce the AC current

[@allan6021]

FYI, in the RV world, they use the term “converter”. For producing DC current from an AC source. That’s what I’m familiar with. I can easily adopt whatever term electrical engineers use.

[@dupertuber8442]

@@allan6021 Still not the same thing as an inverter

[@paengjones8081]

The videos he makes are always so great. Even though he always.....ends.....his sentences...... like.....this.

[@krissp8712]

*Therefore*

[@levani7851]

@@krissp8712 henceforth

[@itismethatguy]

@@levani7851 and ending.

[@oxipolin6832]

2x speed my friend

[@jasonfischer8946]

I've always noticed that and I think.....it's......just.......uhhhhhhhhhhhh..................

[@Calthecool]

I'm watching this Salina, KS right now and that totally tripped me up.

[@unusedspoon]

One thing I'm still wary about is the battery life/capacity. It doesn't seem to be talked about much on how long a battery will last, or how much of its capacity reduces over time. Replacing the battery would be a big cost

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Unless you get a nio lol. You can rent the battery and upgrade as needed.

[@v.kut7307]

I read an article saying that this will be no concern, the new generation will have no big life decrease and will stay almost as new. But this is still little in the future because it's about the technological supremacy of China's development regarding Battery technology compared to other countries and was mainly focused on 2021 and 2022.

[@akswalia6588]

@Leigh Mason So modern lithium-ion batteries will degrade to 80% very quickly then will taper off its deterioration, and will never fall below 50-60% capacity. The alternative lithium-phosphate batteries are heavier, but cheaper, and take a long time to degrade (tapers off at 90% capacity) and virtually never falls below 80% capacity

[@vulcan734]

@@akswalia6588 still i question how much polution will they cause with the mineral extraction and production. That and the most important thing to me, the logistics of substituting the common fuel pumps with electrical ones...... it takes a whole lot longer to just fill the battery of a car, not everyone can and will have chargers at home, resulting in the need of having to build a shit ton of electrical chargers...... will they be built literally everywhere? if not then wont will it be possible to happen that you want/nned to charge but there is no where to charge as the current available ones are already being used?

[@100percentSNAFU]

@@vulcan734 All really good points. I think for the foreseeable future, most people will need a second vehicle that is internal combustion if they have an EV as their main transportation, or at the very least traditional ICE vehicles to remain readily available for rental for when those who only own an EV want to take a longer trip. Of course this will be dictated heavily by where you live, because if you live in a rural area not only are destinations further apart, but also the new charging technology will take longer to become available there, much in the same way you saw many rural residents well into the 20th century before they had electricity or indoor plumbing, were very late to the game on cable television, and many still do not have mainline natural gas service and require propane tanks. EVs will most definitely be biggest in cities to start. Another problem I forsee is the toll on an already aging and outdated power grid. Without modernization of much of the nation's grid, I don't see how widespread EV use will be possible. With so many areas already experiencing rolling blackouts and brownouts, what will millions of EVs hooked up to the system do? Without massive upgrades to the system, there will be problems. I also am afraid that without not only upgrades to capacity, but to cleaner forms of power generation, you are trading one pollutant for another when you go ICE to EV as 90% of American power comes from coal fired plants.

[@flintdxb7514]

In Europe there are plenty of places to charge however you need 6 or 7 different charge cards to access them because you can not simply turn up to the charger and use your credit card. It’s an extra step required which (I think) creates another cost and “inconvenience” that folks just don’t have when filling with petrol. Hopefully that will change in future.

[@bartholomewdan]

Maybe something like an EU-wide card for charging would fix that problem. Cooperate with EFTA countries for them to implement it too and bam, problem solved.

[@jana731]

Are there plenty? I live in Switzerland and I almost never see one...

[@flintdxb7514]

@@jana731 😆you got me!

[@anubis520]

that seems like an oversight. The EU is pretty good about forcing standardization but dropped the ball on charge cards.

[@hermes667]

Most of these cards are for free, they only charge you when you plug in your car. A lot of Germany EV drivers have a bunch of these cards in their car. Some come with cards which could be used with the chargers of different companies, even Tesla will open its carging stations to other brands in Europe, but that is most likely a bit more expensive. Fun fact: Some EV drivers charge for free at supermarkets in Germany.

[@Jackson-T23]

"People are not going to buy EV's without the charging infrastructure." Good point. It's the same reason why many people don't buy unique or exotic cars (like rotary Mazdas) because once they break down it's hard to find parts or mechanics willing to work on it.

[@rscott2247]

Say are the new Rotary Mazda's prone to breaking down ? Gee, I wonder what happens when its hotter than a bugger outside and most homes turn on their air conditioners ? That sucks some juice from the grid !

[@EVnStevenApp]

A lot has changed in the past 2 years.

[@rocket3man]

Remember that legacy auto is trying to sell you both ICE vehicles (large range of models) and EV (limited range of models). So what are they going to push? ICE obviously, so why would they want to get involved in the charging infrastructure! Tesla is different, Musk knew, no infrastructure, no sales of EV.

[@engihere5434]

Also another thing to consider, if you keep up with JUST general maintenance on a decent vehicle, the mpg will stay the same and you can even get higher mpg by replacing parts for your motor. You can go 300,000 miles on certain vehicles and it will run just like new with general maintenance, how will these batteries in the new electric cars hold up? Or the motors that move the wheels? Plus I recently came across an issue with my truck, my distributor was out of timed and while trying to re time it I kept killing the battery over and over, and now the battery is much much weaker now, if that can happen to me in the span of a week, significantly hurting the cells in the battery, how will these cars hold up in 10 years?

[@Tootge]

​@@rscott2247what the fuck are you talking about

[@abc65jk]

The main issue I have is the rapid battery degradation using fast-charging. While fast chargers might initially solve apparent range-based charging issues, they will do so at the cost of battery longevity. As battery life degrades and power retention declines, battery efficiency will reduce effective range. This in turn will increase the number and frequency of rapid charges required and further degrade battery life as effective maximum charge capacity steadily decreases. The other major issue is random battery fires. When more and more people experience battery fires, I am pretty sure the market for EVs will soften. This in turn will drive up the cost of per car infrastructure. Moreover, sufficient catastrophic failures could easily lead to unknown externalities like strict regulation, unaffordable insurance rates, etc.

[@illemonate]

Seriously, it costs about $20K to replace Tesla’s battery - and will we continue to have access to abundant amounts of rare earth minerals required?

[@johnholder1527]

Good thing is rapid charging, for the vast majority of people, doesn't happen. They live happily charging at level 2 with basically no battery degradation.

[@johnholder1527]

Gas cars catch on fire at a higher rate so that's one thinf thing to consider

[@kevinbissinger]

Yeah, like what happened with gas cars. That's why so many people still use horses.

[@BritishTeaLover]

@@illemonate Battery recycling is also taking off, as it's far cheaper to extract the minerals from existing batteries than to mine it. So there's a market for used tesla batteries to be recyucled and resold. This is another area gov intervention could come in, requiring them to take the used batteries (for a credit on a new one?) and recycle them before they can buy in batteries made from newly mined minerals.

[@Ikbeneengeit]

Hi, an inverter converts DC-->AC. That's not needed when charging an EV. I think you mean a rectifier.

[@Azivegu]

I was thinking the same, but my electrical engineering skills are below terrible so I wasn't sure.

[@tomsparxxx]

The charger rectifies AC to DC, inverts it to AC at a high frequency, then rectifies again to DC to charge the battery. The inverter process is where control of charging voltage and current takes place.

[@raviteza8]

U r right, its called an On board Charger. But its more than a simple rectifier, its actually called a converter. An AC->DC converter.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

Originally electric cars had a high frequency switching device which can take DC from the battery and make variable frequency AC to drive the motors at different speeds, which was properly called the "inverter". Engineers realized that they could use the same circuitry to take AC from the power grid and charge the battery, instead of having a separate AC - DC charger. Rather than give this multifunction device a new, more technically correct name - most manufacturers still refer to it as the "inverter" despite it doing more complex conversion.

[@crh231]

@@PsRohrbaugh Fair point about terminology, but the inverter shown at 7:01 and mentioned for price in the voice track is precisely an inverter in the traditional sense of a device to make AC mains-style power from a DC supply, which is very much not what is needed to fast charge an EV

[@bryanhearn273]

I really thought this video would illustrate the charging problem showing what the problems will be once millions of cars are sucking electricity from the power grid. Also where do people think electricity comes from? Windmills?

[@bigwhimsy2236]

That is not really a problem, when you factor in how many years it will take for fossil fuel cars to be phased out and the speed that rooftop solar is going up. It is a very popular talking point though!

[@stephanfouche9208]

@@Monochromatic_Spider Fossil fuels are finite thou. Eventually we will need to switch to electric wether we want to or not. I guess the question is, "What is the benefit in delaying that tech switch?"

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@bigwhimsy2236 pv capacity grows many times faster then ev demand indeed. And the cars can actually play a role in timeshifting the daytime pv generation to later in the day. Increased adoption of ev's could actually solve most of the energy problems and the issues that transitioning to PV creates. The faster people switch over the better it is for the grid. These technologies all comming at the same time really is excelent timing. So much oppertunity! Very exciting times ahead.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@Monochromatic_Spider solar panels can easilly provide a house with it's own power needs. Even as far north as scotland and denmark they can manage for most of the year. Their efficienty has been increasing rather quickly over the past years and will only increase going forward. You'd only need a quarter of the panels now then you needed 10 years ago to generate the same amount of electricity. If you put up 12 panels 10 years ago you'd only need 3 or 4 today to get the same output. Or youd get 4 times as much juice from 12 panels now. And that will double again in another 5 to 10 years. And these panels cost a fraction of what they did back in 2012. And batteries are dropping in price like crazy too. So many factories are comming online in china, korea and japan currently. Economies of scale are really kicking in now. All the asian tech brands will be comming to market with home storage appliances sooner rather then later at prices similar to fridges or washing machines etc. Just another appliance that will be in every house 10 years from now. Either to store the energy from your own pv instalation or to buy pv power during the day when it costs nearly nothing and use it when it gets dark and prices skyrocket. Either way these things will pay for themselves within a year or 2. This industry is moving so fast at the moment, it really is crazy.

[@caphalor7252]

@@bigwhimsy2236 Thing is people don't realise that making gas also uses electricity. It actually needs about 10kwh for refinary and pipelines to produce 1 litre of gas. An average ev uses between 10 and 25 kwh on 100km. So they actually use less power per driven distance as a normal car. When more and more cars become evs less and less gasoline is needed and so the electricity used to produce gas for one car can be used to power 3 evs.

[@Qwerty7411000]

I am a Coloradan who has done that drive between Amarillo and Trinidad. There is next to nothing in that part of Texas. I almost ran out of gas because the gas stations were so sparse in that part of the state.

[@ericmichel3857]

I drive through those areas frequently, yes it is very rural and a bit sparse, but I have never even came close to running out of gas. You must have a small gas tank and poor mileage, or you made some poor choices on fill ups. And still you made it, EV's literally cannot, and even when they do add more it will still be a very limited option. Like the video says, EV's have a ways to go before they are a true viable option for the mass market. Hybrids and small high efficiency ICE cars are the way to go for most folks for the foreseeable future.

[@user-uy1rg8td1v]

Fortunately, you can carry extra cans of gasoline to get you through. Not so easy with an all electric vehicle. I firmly believe we should aim for an all plug in hybrid national fleet than an all electric one.

[@neildecker3061]

Yup. But with gas, you can solve that with a few $10 plastic jugs from walmart.

[@JensSchraeder]

You could always bring a gas generator to charge your battery! 😆

[@TransitAndTeslas]

@@JensSchraeder And it will still take 3 hours of you running the generator on the side of the road, lol!

[@danc.5859]

Great video, as your videos always are. But as an owner of a Tesla as well, I do have to say that the biggest thing holding EVs back isn’t precisely the lack of an infrastructure. It’s more the consumers’ expectations of what they need for an infrastructure. When I first bought my EV, I thought that waiting a half hour or more to charge my vehicle would be a significant downside, though one I was willing to live with. However, in reality, I found that I actually don’t use high-speed chargers anywhere near as often as I thought I was going to. The real thing that makes electric vehicle charging much more convenient than most people realize is when you can charge it from home. Even if it takes hours to do so, having the ability to charge your car overnight is a complete game changer. 95% of the time or more, my car has more than enough power to do the driving I need to do for the day just based on what it filled up to overnight. The fact that it takes hours to charge from home is irrelevant, since I’m not inconvenienced in any way while it is happening - I’m usually asleep. It takes me 5 seconds to plug it in, and that’s far more convenient than going to a gas station every few days, even if the gas station only takes five or 10 minutes to get to and refill your vehicle. Sure, more charging stations and compatibility will help greatly to solve the charging problem when someone is on a “road trip” (and for context, gas station pumps cost tens of thousands of dollars too). But in reality, provided, of course that you live somewhere where you can plug in your electrical vehicle from home, the infrastructure required to support electric vehicles on the road is actually far less than that required to support refueling gasoline vehicles, considering that gasoline vehicles are never refilled from home. For most people, at least those with the ability to charge from home, they just don’t drive far enough on a daily basis where they need high speed public chargers at all most of the time. I would be curious to know what proportion of driving comes from home charging vs public chargers, but I know it’s far higher than most people expect. As for myself, I know that I use public chargers less than 5 percent of the time, and I’m sure I’m not the exception. The bottom line is that EVs are already a perfectly acceptable option for most people, but they are held back by preconceived notions of what they need based on what they were used to from before, without realizing how those needs will change with newer technology.

[@jamesayoub357]

BTW: There are two types of CCS connectors, CCS1 and CCS2. The one show in the video is CCS2 which is used in Europe. CCS1 is used in North America

[@HarryRobinsonsProfile]

There's even stock footage of a Type-1 CCS connector almost directly after the diagrams showing a Type-2 CCS!

[@Olsulor11]

CSS Type 2 is not only used for Europe, the whole world (except China and North America) uses it.

[@mark123655]

That's because most of the world is on a 240/400V electrical system, versus the US on 120/240V

[@jnawk83]

@@mark123655 its not a voltage issue. CCS (both types) is an AC connector plus two DC connectors, using the comms channel of the AC connector. J1772 (the AC connector on CCS1) is a single phase connector (american 220v is actually a single phase that hasn't been center tapped to produce 2 "phases"). the type 2 connector (the AC connector on CCS2) is a three phase connector. "400v" is generally 3 phase, with 220v between any one phase and ground, which gives 400v between any two phases.

[@keepinitcool4254]

I think there's only one major detail left out and that's how fast charging has it's downsides. Generally the faster a battery can charge, the more capacity has to be sacrificed in the form of insulating and separating different parts of the battery from one another. With this, percentages of charging done can be misleading. A battery twice the capacity of another battery, charging at half the percentage over the same time period is charging at the same speed. Also the faster a battery is consistently charged and depleted, the lower the longevity of the battery. Explaining concepts like this would make it so the whole idea of charging a certain percentage over a certain time period wouldn't be seen as the full picture, like it is currently.

[@thelakeman5207]

If you use a car for around town, you just charge it up every night. But what if you want to drive cross country? It'd take a week or two because of charging limitations.

[@wkb8326]

Basically as the battery ages it has to be charged more often using more electricity. That's not good for people who own 3 cars on average. There's a lot of downsides to converting over to battery vehicles

[@STEVEF777]

The biggest problem is one not discussed. What happens on a holiday weekend when the line for each charger is 6 deep and it's a 3 hour wait to get a charge?

[@shorttimer874]

In Europe there's a solution for this, their rail system. If there's enough demand for it, they've already developed a system to take your car with, the Chunnel.

[@gregpeterman1102]

@@shorttimer874 you can take your car with you on Amtrak in the U.S. when going to Florida.

[@Jetanium]

@@gregpeterman1102 who wants to go TO Florida?

[@adamcetinkent]

@@Jetanium spring break woo!

[@braydonattoe2078]

@@Jetanium died a bit coming across this comment lol I'm from wisconsin so I'd have to agree, shit state but still better than Florida

[@andyr4941]

Just to point out (sorry as an electronics engineer it really bugged me!) - an inverter is not just another name for a 'converter'. An inverter specifically converts DC into AC. A rectifier converts AC into DC. The 250kW unit you showed in the video is completely unsuitable for charging a car from the power grid. You'd need either a 250kW rectifier to convert to DC (for DC fast charging), or just a transformer to supply AC, which will be rectified by the internal rectifier on the car. And while EVs do have an on-board inverter (that's partly what makes the 'whining' sound characteristic of some EVs), it's for driving the AC motor from the DC battery.

[@olivierdols5556]

tip: dont charge more then 80 % unless you really need to

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

With Lithium*1 Every battery tech is different*2

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

@@tommyv4980 Oh yeah or leave it at zero but only Linum batteries the old style like in a Nintendo DS was best at 0 or 100.

[@mokokoco4720]

But our human minds wouldn’t allow it because we won’t feel that sense of security like we do at 100 percent. Do you charge your phone to 100, 80, or 50 percent? Nah, we charge it to 100 all the time because we like to see a full charge every time we charge our phones. The same applies to the ev cars

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

@@tommyv4980 We are using lithium now because it's the best a decade ago we were not using lithium so the rules were different. Back then that battery type liked to be completely full or completely empty it's how the battery held a charge physically that was different. Today everyone is researching new battery types that are not lithium so one day the rules will change again when we stop using lithium and change to another type. Also Lithium batteries like 50% the best as the electrons are even in the battery and to one side.

[@getoffamylan6844]

I have heard this from a lot of places, but the User manual from my Leaf says to leave it plugged in, so that is what I do.

[@dolphgostinaya9481]

Somewhat pedantic, but you're saying "inverter" when you should be saying "rectifier" or "converter". Inverters take DC and produces AC, rectifiers do the opposite.

[@thomasdastalfo309]

Thank you. As an EE this immediately jumped out at me as a big oversight

[@minimalistic_banhaus]

"Rectifier" sounds like more DC propoganda!

[@ryancmoore3000]

Thank you, that was driving me nuts

[@PercyYeung]

Haha I immediately paused and scrolled down to see if anyone else caught that.

[@Tom-nd1fs]

@@minimalistic_banhaus LoL I see what you did there

[@sciencoking]

Side note: The inverter you dug up is completely the wrong type of device, but the correct one would still be expensive as hell.

[@Matt18880]

Yes because you need a Rectifier for AC to DC not an inverter. An inverter would be used to power the 120v AC plugs on a Rivian for example. (DC to AC)

[@mRendyIrawan]

I had to stop the video and skipped back to make sure that this was a mistake and not me misunderstanding the video. It looks like the writer conflated "converter" with "inverter". When talking about the iPhone charger at 5:31, it mentioned "AC to DC converter", but at 5:32 it instead said "a standard iPhone inverter" even though it was explaining a phone battery charging process which converts AC electricity to DC electricity. AC to DC conversion is done with a circuit called a rectifier, while DC to AC conversion is done with a circuit/device called an inverter.

[@rosskrt]

Thank you for pointing this out.

[@Mike-fx4nu]

@@mRendyIrawan This videomaker gets lots of things wrong, episode after another.

[@starview1]

The chevy volt used a gas engine to power the electric car after about 50 miles. So the Volt was operating in a 50 mile range until the gas motor kicked in to power the car on electric. The volt was more like a hybrid car.When the battery's energy is depleted, a gasoline-fueled engine generates electricity to power the electric drive unit while simultaneously sustaining the charge of the battery. This extends the range of the Volt to more than 500 kilometers and eliminates the range anxiety commonly associated with electric vehicles. So the Volt didnt have the problems full EV cars have with range.