Electric Cayman/Boxster & My Visit To Lamborghini HQ [S6, E29]

[@markspark7347]

Totally agree, sold my AMG because the dog got sick, the baby kept crying and the wife kept throwing up.. plus it was uncomfortable to drive, fuel consumption… whereas a normal Mercedes drives way more comfortably

[@F1Fan3025]

Got a 2014 V8S F-Type after watching your videos for years. For the money these are I can’t think of another car that looks/sounds as good as this thing. Absolutely amazing.

[@mattmclean6409]

Sam already answered his own question about the M3 when he bought the RS6. You simply don't use it often enough to justify it on performance alone. It's worth it if you want the prestige and the special feeling.

[@Nickubus99]

Agree. We seems to be going around in circles somewhat. If you have to have a one car garage - then perfect. Get the performance family car. If you can afford/have the space for 2 or more cars, then buy the performance car and the family car, and make the family car a luverly cruiser. Simples.

[@andrewhurstcars]

Exactly, look at his garage - GT3 & X3 M40d new cars. That’s all you need.

[@jamesmcgregor9286]

@seenthroughglass get Tony on a press drive of the Revuelto, would love to see Tony’s reaction

[@mrminiature11]

I think Tony is too straightforward so there is a risk that he won't like it and will be brutal

[@DonBarracuda117]

I want to see him in an Artura more

[@fintan.]

would you guys ever look at talking about the impact on the new ulez zone coming this august?

[@timw5k]

Why would they talk about politics of a specific city in an automotive podcast with an international audience? Seems a bit too niche to cater most of the audience, wouldn't make much sense to me. Would be more something for local news/media outlets to address and discuss.

[@v4skunk739]

@@timw5k It's coming to every city you tard.

[@fintan.]

@@timw5k i see you pointd it’s just that tony’s business is inside the new ulez zone and it’s going to affect how his business operates and i think shedding light on it would be useful. they talk about about plenty of topics that are uk specific. Tony talks about his business all the time and that’s not relevant to 90% of people with your criteria of having an international audience as his dealership follows the trends of uk customers and the car market here. so i don’t see it as niche when it’s a topic in every podcast?

[@snakewad123]

​@@timw5k I would be interested in hearing of a similar story in , say , California , even though I am from London

[@benpenagonzales6014]

It’s for the principles. Many global cities will be looking at this and other schemes. LA smog zone was the catalyst (see what I did there) for auto start stop.

[@stuartsmith5308]

In my opinion, the most beautiful cars from each manufacturer are, Aston Martin V8 Zagato Vantage Coupe 80's, Ferrari Daytona pop up Coupe, Koenigsegg CCR, Lamborghini Miura S, McLaren F1, Porsche 959 Sport.

[@mattsmith429]

Doesn’t matter what car it is, if it makes you smile then that’s all that maters 👍

[@julianbell-roberts4444]

Talking of R&D, Gordon Murray stated in a recent video that the T33 cost £28m to get trough international crash testing..... that adds £280k per car on a run of 100 cars. I would guess that R&D costs are spread over multiple years or the lifecycle of the model series, from a financial accounting perspective

[@DonBarracuda117]

There hasn't been a Behind the Checkered Flag on Spotify since March 25th

[@Redducati1199]

Just bought a GT4 yesterday. Hopefully it'll hold its money

[@scottcowan6798]

There is one BMW line up which differs slightly.. the 5 series.. I’m personally in the market for a M550i.. it’s near enough dammit as quick as the M5 (3.6sec to 60 vs. 3.2) but has a more split personality to suit every occasion. It’s its own niche, like a cheaper Alpina B5. Plus my wife knows her way around a BMW and wouldn’t be fazed driving it. (She’s not a mad keen driver). Great production as always!

[@jmfangio286]

You are right, M550i is the mutts nuts.

[@ScottZ370]

I'd be tempted to debadge as well so your wife doesn't get negative attention when out on the road i.e. Golf R drivers

[@scottcowan6798]

She won’t see which way they went 😄

[@markevo6]

I totally agree with you regarding the M340i Touring Vs M3 Touring - I was going to upgrade from an M140i ( bought from Tony , now with decent suspension and engine mods ) to a M3 Touring but now I am not going down that route and will be looking to get a M340i Touring and do the same suspension and engine mods to that . I also have a 991.2 GT3 CS Manual for fun days / weekends so don't feel the need for the M3 . Maybe if you only have a one car garage the M3 is the better choice for a Petrol Head .

[@benpenagonzales6014]

Having had even an e46 M3, all the fun is at the top. All turbo cars now, but on the road I prefer the torque - and my licence. BMW have proved that some engine flashes and you’re basically there.

[@bekimselimovski5546]

I think you said it all, M3 Touring and all those "family cars" are the best one car garage.

[@stevenicholas709]

I've done two factory tours, the local Ford Transit plant (before it shipped out to Turkey!) and the McLaren F1 (road car) back in the 90s 😂

[@africanotomotiv]

I thought the conversation towards the end was a pretty good insight into the difference between a genuine car 'enthusiast' and a guy who just happens to 'like' cars. To many car enthusiasts, marques the ilk of Miura, 2.7RS or 037 are not insignificant. Whereas, to someone who just likes cars, they couldn't care less.

[@tonymoreton7166]

Brought up 2 kids & went travelling all over Europe in E46 & E92 M3s. Even went all over Europe one year in my wife's Astra convertible. You don't need a 2.5 tne truck, even with kids.

[@gordonsimpson3235]

Good for you Tony, for keeping the Cosworth (well, for a while!)....I presume given your business location that you probably know the Wise Brothers (Dealers)? We used to trade some vehicles to them in my BMW days (80's -early 90's). They also used to keep all sorts of cars for themselves....especially Cosworth RS 500's which were tuned to unbelievable BHP to race each other with. Good old days 😏

[@BarryMakariou]

Sold my Macan GTS for the very reason that I hardly ever drove it hard. It was wasted on short journeys it became more about what it could do and how cool it looked. The Macan T would still offer brand value without the high running costs.

[@GazMoby]

Best notification of the week 👍

[@DidierPeroni]

Im from India. The Urus and Bentayga are incredibly popular here. The reason for this, predominantly, is because our roads are absolutely awful. Never mind supercars or sports cars, even our sedans bottom out on some of our roads. So for the average buyer, it is merely a matter of being able to drive your Bentley or Lamborghini anywhere, anytime

[@dariodelolmogarrido4045]

Interesting point. Would be great air conditioned travel, that's for sure.

[@DidierPeroni]

@@dariodelolmogarrido4045 I don’t think there’s a single car on the road in India without Aircon lol. We don’t live in some backward oasis of a Greek fantasy. We just have shit roads mate.

[@jtouli6748]

Lol, average buyer

[@brendan7632]

Same has got to be worried with how brutally honest Tony is these days about his lack of caring when it comes to cars. If it isn’t ferrari or Porsche he has zero interest in talking about it and it shows

[@RichardRatner.1972]

Yyyeess! The weekly, thanks guys. Kindest regards, Richard U.K

[@jon-mart]

The simple answer to why you would buy an M3 over a M340i is the M3 is the ultimate version of the 3 series. 30k more but it’s a proper M car.

[@rantalaatwork]

in case of car production the lion share of the cost is developing the vehicle platform as a whole. The actual cost for individual variants on that platform is a lot lower. That is why manufacturerss want to create them, the profit margin is higher and it helps with the branding.

[@SpontaneousEvolution]

Would love to hear an episode on manufacturing, length of time to develop specific cars, costs of developing a new model versus VW using same platform for many cars. What exactly is a "platform"?

[@dan77773]

I used to get very excited going on the car ferry to France in the early 80s with my folks. For some reason Lamborghini delivery cars would be parked in the loading/unloading area. One or two Jalpas were parked at that time, occasionally a 25th anniversary Countach.

[@karlbuckley8346]

Another reason to buy an ‘M’ version over a normal version of a car, besides the performance upgrades would be the more aggressive looks of the car. Having super wide fenders and wings and canards, etc.. makes the car more appealing, and yes the bragging rights are also a factor.

[@carfan3762]

As always, great fun and entertaining to listen to your opinion exchanges. Concerning the SUV chapter, I’m not quite sure I agree with Sam when he points out that the Urus is more a Lamborghini than the Cayenne is a Porsche. The Urus is definitely more shouty than a Cayenne, but that’s about it. And reducing Porsche to an SUV manufacturer is a bit thick ! The 911, the Cayman and Boxster all share some form of that wonderful Flat-6, which neither the Cayenne nor Macan do. So whatever the numbers, Porsche is still and always a sports car manufacturer, and the true Porsche enthusiasts accept the SUVs (and Taycan) but dont consider them true Porsches. 😎

[@brianiswrong]

We buy an m3 over a m340i because we also buy a smeg fridge rather than a Electrolux, we buy a Dyson hair dryer over the tesco brand, we buy a 5 bedroom house (with a family of 1 child) over the 3 bedroom house. Because we can, want to, can justify it in our heads and show / talk to others about how wel we are doing. I guess it's being a human being in a developed country

[@carllynch8798]

My old B5 RS4 I used camping took on track at Castle Combe and also Spa ! ! Done the NC500 ! Done 220k miles in that car ! Was running 496bhp 517lbft torque too as I modified it ! 😊 was a great car

[@stuartquinton-qw8fv]

Am I the only one who kept looking at Sam’s tee shirt thinking Micheal Schumacher was gurning with that crease in it

[@robertdouglas5926]

Being a BMW M340 owner I absolutely agree, it is all the car I could ever want if a little quiet. I couldn’t justify £30 given a decent exhaust is £2k

[@Uwekerner04]

I think the main thing about these R and D costs discussed is that it’s not a whole new car. It’s a variant. Which is I think where Tony was going with it. Develop a chassis that can accommodate being various versions of a 3 series. Standardize as much as you can across the range. Only research extra or spend extra on unique braking systems, suspension systems and motors etc Then rake in the cash on the margins on an m3. Smaller ones on the 328 or 330 or whatever variant it is in the given decade.

[@ReeceT20]

Honestly I've got a tuned M lite and although it's outrageously fast for what it is, it just lacks some of the specialness that an M car has behind the wheel (and visually) that as an only car is definitely an important factor

[@marcohas]

i work in manufaturing and yes the money tthat the m340i costs to make and a m3, same engine in theory that only changes the things atached to it, isn´t all that much but the margins in the m3 are alot bigger because brand. you can see in handbags, the example iam more familiar with, doing a handbag i could give you examples, iam not going to because i dont want to get fired, of the same bag without brand is 200€ with brand is 5000€ the only diference is the badge and the margins that the brand gets sometimes is just QC that puts a price on something.

[@andymitchell7188]

Guys the logic around paying £30k for a full M car over the M Light makes sense for most of the time but very often BMW discount the M Cars so significantly getting the full M car is a no brainer! My X4M was almost discount to the price of the M40i 😃

[@carloscanizares101]

I get wanting to 1-up the next person in a nice car, but this is why I love my MX5. It’s not to impress anyone else but myself.

[@snakewad123]

I see a mx5 and I think that's a guy that loves his cars. I see a Porsche and just think you are a bellend and I won't let you out in traffic etc

[@carloscanizares101]

@@snakewad123 thank you for that, but I’ll tweak it slightly. You see a guy that appreciates enjoying the drive of his car. Especially, that one 😄

[@danielthomas8507]

Sold my 986 boxster and kept my MX5 then supercharged it..., it was soooo much more fun than the Porsche ....

[@metamorphiccustoms]

Battery in the center column sounds cool for the new Lambo, and didn't the new Corvette E-Ray do it first? No comparison, of course. Just wondering how many current hybrids have the battery in that location?

[@benzinapaul7416]

Talking about the M340 or the M3 Touring - is the Alpina not the perfect car?

[@pato10111]

EV head here but Tony is right about the Boxter and Cayman being entry ICE cars for petrol heads. Maybe the new one won't be a ground up EV. Both options available perhaps.

[@rjdavies1982]

Enjoyed that and also good to see Tony with a bit of hair length, looks good mate

[@DidierPeroni]

21:33 To Tony's point I think to Bugatti, the Veyrons were the pre production cars to the Chiron

[@filipesantiago2182]

Tony’s argument on assigning the development cost to the pre-production cars is absolutely flawed. The fact that it is a sunk cost at some point doesn’t change the fact that it needs to be considered in the product’s profitability calculation. You did struggle with the idea, Sam, and you were right!

[@oneeleven9832]

Clutch story is accurate regarding Ferrarri see story on Tyrells Classic Cars he found actual Lambo tractor clutch that fitted the ferrari 👍

[@derailed5424]

I remember when you weren't much of a Porsche guy... It's funny to see you progressively getting more and more in to Lambos - I'm sure you'll have one in the next few years.

[@jamespugh]

Can't wait for that Lamborghini video. Yes no one needs the top line spec like Rs or M series lot stuff add on stuff make cool so spend extra cash. Few parts and body mods in aftermarket so by in play parts .

[@mladenradinovic2290]

When Tony says BMW over other german manufactures because they are more driver focused cars, but main disadvantages on cars for him is infotainment and soundsystems ypu've got to laugh! 😂😂😂😂

[@HeavyWeight-qx8ou]

The manufacturing costs are by far the most expensive part of producing cars. Paying for the materials, the parts they get from the suppliers, labor, robots, presses, carbon fiber molds and kilns, depreciation on all that, and on and on and on. Design, engineering and software development is probably less that 20% of the cost of producing the cars.

[@TheLJC_]

I daily drive a RR SVR and have a 992 GT3 for the weekend canyon runs. I used to solely run the SVR and would drive it everywhere in dynamic however up until I bought the GT3 I only drive the SVR in comfort now… and I use it to potter around town slowly as a break from the GT3s ride quality.

[@SH7SH7SH7]

Get a diesel Range Rover then

[@ReeceT20]

When it comes to manufacturing of cars, during my mechanical engineering degree we focussed heavily on Toyota and lean manufacturing, and when a car maker like BMW makes millions of vehicles per year that are all spun off the same platforms the manufacturing costs go down significantly, it's lower volume sellers like Jag who are tiny by comparison, because you still need the same equipment and tooling, sometimes even more complex for high end stuff like Ferrari but for smaller volumes, stamping a bonnet for a million cars is much cheaper per unit than 10,000 bonnets

[@mattsmith429]

thoughts that Audi are missing a trick and perhaps the TT would be a cool electric little sports car ??

[@Betheball1966]

If you live in the south east of England. No chance you get to drive a M3 at full throttle. Unless you go out in the dark.

[@Betheball1966]

Or like to swerve at speed in and out of potholes.

[@grooveseeker2883]

Thanks Sam,Tony

[@robgreen13]

I had M3, followed by 330d in 2010 ... then M240i followed by M2C in 2020. I prefer the M light versions ... but then I'm an old man now!

[@SH7SH7SH7]

Haha you’ve had a similar car history to me. I had a e92 330d, then m240i which I tuned to stage 2, now an f80 m3 which i have tuned to stage 1. M240i was definitely light and nimble and felt fun but the f80 m3 is definitely the better car all around. Looks way better (wide arches 😍), faster in a straight line, better handling and 4 doors.

[@bargym2312]

I’m not a manufacturing insider. But just think about it like this. There are 4 major cost centers R&D Tooling Materials Labor When you take a Veyron. It had unique tooling, R&D, higher than normal materials cost and lots of labor. And only a few cars to spread the costs over. Vs a M car or a GT car. They are using a lot of shared tooling, R&D costs. With only a minimal added labor & materials cost for a model that they charge 50-100% more for. The cost to produce an M3 is only a fractional amount more than a m340i because of these factors.

[@Driver_88]

718 GT4 and Spyder stopped orders months ago but only recently got taken off the website

[@Chrissy-H]

I agree with Tony - think the electric Cayman is a HUGE risk. The UK market is tiny for Porsche so I'm sure they don't really care... but in this country there are several activities you would do with a petrol cayman you can't do with the electric one. For example, weekends away in scotland or wales with the other half, or thrashing it round all day at a trackday. These are most of the reason you'd buy a cayman, for those special occasions - now the car won't do it anymore. So what does it become? A small, impractical daily you can't drive more than 100 miles from your house?

[@fr8987]

i really hope it’s gonna have an ICE option too otherwise this seems ludicrous

[@Chrissy-H]

@@fr8987 Porsche don’t often drop the ball so we’ll have to see 🤞. Electric sports cars… lotus are at it next too and I just don’t see how anybody could actually use one 🤷‍♂️

[@seanjeffrey8720]

The m3/RS v 40i/s I see it for the one car garage owner if you can’t afford one fun and one practical car then the “do everything” is the one

[@carfan3762]

And what about the audacious 4 seat Espada and the Jarama (both V12) and also the smallish 2.5 and 3.0 V8 Uracco (Ferrari 308 GT4 rival), alas short lived.

[@eljayr4669]

Marzal, Urraco and Islero.

[@MRVSKIN]

Maybe you should have a look at the new MG Cyberster. Looks pretty cool

[@dan77773]

But weighs 2 tonnes.

[@lilmatty11]

Wish we had behind the checked flag back on KZbin

[@duileyah]

Check out the Lamborghini movie, an unintentional comedy. Great fun.

[@semikolon6440]

Hey Sam, regarding the e-fuels topic, did you ever consider the efficiency factor of ICE engines? Same as with normal petrol of course with synthetic, so starting with the same amount of green energy you get way more of that energy on the road with EVs - I somehow didn’t consider that before.

[@thepineappleburster4439]

Futile argument since we have an abundance of energy to make the fuels. EV's will not be sustainable in terms of long term harvesting of materials

[@semikolon6440]

@@thepineappleburster4439 You mean „abundance of energy“ in general? Because it only makes sense if it’s a 100% green energy, and then the efficiency of how to use that/get that on the road comes into play.

[@samcas707]

As a new father and ‘petrol head’ I can answer the fast estate/suv thing quite simply. I sold my f-type r coupe I loved and bought a new 22 f-pace svr. Why? Because for anyone other than a KZbin vlogger, 99.9% of your non-commute driving is done with said child in the car, and for all those times you still want your car to be something special. So much so that I have a 911 gts manual coupe on order (for the rear seats) but with every passing day I’m realizing that I’ll just never use it - the money is better spent on an even more premium fast suv

[@1993j]

F-Pace SVR is a beast, and definitely the best value for money option! Good bit of exhaust sound when driving sensible too

[@benpenagonzales6014]

We split the suv for a regular 30d se X5 and got a Hyundai i20N for school run and fun. Wife takes our 3 kids to school then it’s got a 5 year track day warranty for me.

[@Nickubus99]

@@benpenagonzales6014 Mint 👌👌

[@samcas707]

@@benpenagonzales6014 fair call, though my wife already has her own suv. i'm thinking of going the other way, trading sports car budget and current svr on a new dbx 707 - once aston sort the infotainment

[@benpenagonzales6014]

I’ve had a couple xk8 jags with that jag AJV8 engine. It’s a winner. Proper solid. Is your SVR with the new interior? Best thing for me about the Fpace is the size. Massive boot but actually not that big. Just the centre stack let it down. But the recent ones that look more I pace inside are really nice. Think you’d lose a fortune on a 707. If you have an Aston itch what about a 2002 vanquish and manual swap? Or newer virage? Good luck man!

[@CarEnthused]

Giulia Quadrifoglio checking in. Race mode 100% of the time

[@drippincolors]

Hi all. Im looking to get into my first sports car from an a3. Roughly 30k budget on finance. Ideally not a new car to get more for my money. Car will be used for commuting and weekend drives along with the odd trip to the alps and Germany (15k miles). Will NOT be used on track. Everyones thoughts and opinions are welcomed! Thank you👍🏻

[@drippincolors]

Abit more info. No kids and nor will there be so doesn’t need rear seats Something which doesn’t take a massive shit in depreciation and something where servicing isnt £thousands.

[@harvinmahal]

First car that comes to my mind is a M2. Not a comp, a standard LCI model. Or a dumbo like me would find a nice manual 997

[@Richard_Turner]

Surely the answer is Porsche. Always 😂

[@fintan.]

I was going to say a nice manual 997 like harviin but I think to be more realistic a 718 cayman can be found around 35k with 25k miles and a few years on the plate, you said you didnt want it to depreciate much and with the new cayman being electric it is very likely that it will be a lot more expensive and therefore demand for the 718 will raise. Like how a ferrari 488 is worth nearly the same money as a 458 which is crazy! Other suggestons would be a standard M2, an old audi r8 v8, aston martin vantage however that will likely be a pitfall in maintainance. I think a toyota gr86 would be perfect however they are fetching 36k right now when they retailed at 29k, though there are only 500 ish units in the uk

[@Ewannj]

F Type V6 S?

[@PureAsGold]

Welcome to the "Proper Petrol Podcast", lmao.

[@AbsolutionDF]

Exactly how I felt when I bought an M5. Would I ever use 600bhp of power in a RWD saloon car? Not really…my family would hate me putting my foot down and my wallet would hate it even more. Yes it’s an M5 and yes it’s faster than 90% of the cars on the road but in reality, I should have bought a 530D…

[@benpenagonzales6014]

Have you seen the size of a Taycan? Massive! I’d happily get an EV boxster through work scheme tax free. Nothing on the scheme I actually want so bought a brand new hot hatch in the meantime.

[@Jackjhumphries7]

I agree with Tony .mostly dick waiving upto a certain level . I’ve just bought a BMW 330 m sport like he mentioned it’s all you would ever need it does everything very well saving a ridiculous amount on a m car .

[@fr8987]

lmaoo you’re still gonna break your neck looking at a M3 don’t lie to yourself

[@cliftonjackson441]

The European version of a Nascar fan. Literally looks like an old Richard petty shirt with the photo of mickey Schu they got up there 😂😂

[@davidkeenan5989]

Sam, which variants of the Huracan are currently in production?

[@rahulsudhir666]

The STO and the Technica

[@benpenagonzales6014]

Was it the ‘Diana’ S class that famously was the first car that cost 1 billion to develop? Of course knowing that tech would trickle down over many smaller cars over many years

[@alekspen]

I’d love too see you go too koenigsegg, and listen to Christian talk about his company and cars. Even though we know you’re not interested, your fans would love it and too see your reactions

[@dariodelolmogarrido4045]

Tony's onto something when he talks about not filming everything

[@georgesj9536]

I always wonder why you'd think the M car would be such a big extra investment for the company when (cutting some corners here) you've got dozens of companies who do the same (like Manthey/KW etc) who develop parts, suspension, setups with like 1/1000th of the budget the manufacturers have, and they perform better afterwards.. its just marketing bs you're buying. Building a new platform costs BIG money, but M division is just pure profit

[@v4skunk739]

Yep CSL M cars for sure make BMW nice doh per car. Mark up is huge compared to what is done to the car.

[@benpenagonzales6014]

We have a school run and fun car. Fun is probably 5% only of the time.

[@ronaldvandemeent]

Had a C63S Station and never again, bloody uncomfortable and I live in a country with silky smooth roads, next car is probably will be a M340i station, what I think though is that BMW is going to replace the "baby" M cars with BMW Alpina's and make them the more luxury/comfortable variant of an M for the same price, so M=Sport, Alpina=Luxury

[@malp6280]

ok production costs!! I'm not in "directly automotive production" but I'm in a american engine plant producing 4-6 cylinder heavy goods (trucks/buses/ work vehicles etc) & not forgetting boat & generator diesel engines. Putting it plainly during covid engine cost rose from £1100.00 "per engine" to £1500.00 an engine & these engines retail for over £70-120K+ now covid is a distant memory & engine production costs have quickly dropped back to the nominal sum, talking of value during 2021-2022 the global profits reported was $8.2Billion..... a clue to who I work for "its an american engine production company, beginning with 'C"

[@barbarusbloodshed6347]

Pretty sure ICE Boxster and Cayman are here to stay and Porsche will introduce a small electric sports car with a different name. It's much easier to make people accept a new car with a new concept than trying to re-brand Boxster/Cayman and convince people the new version is worth buying. Pretty sure they're testing the waters for electric sports cars with this new model, trying to see what the market's thinking of those.

[@MaxStraesser]

nope, Porsche has gone on the record as saying the ICE 718 is done after this generation and the next Boxter & Cayman will be full BEVs.

[@barbarusbloodshed6347]

@@MaxStraesser they can still backtrack on that and lots of people would cheer. Maybe that's a lesson they've learned from the 4-cylinder disaster with the 718 and then the 4.0 liter euphoria... surprise people with something they thought they had lost and they will eat it up.

[@MaxStraesser]

@@barbarusbloodshed6347 nope, as a publicly listed company they wouldn't be able to at such short notice. R&D takes 4+ years to develop a vehicle for most OEMs, so they won't be changing that now to suddenly develop a new ICE car when they've been developing an EV. I wish they could, but it just isn't possible.

[@GM-kj6sb]

The M340i also looks much better… it doesn’t have the hideous buck tooth grille

[@SChapps]

‘we haven’t had too many electric sports cars’ That’s because electric cars don’t have sporty characteristics, they don’t make a noise, they aren’t involving, they sacrifice weight too much

[@georgewallerlll496]

I would love to see Lamborghini get back to making GT cars like they did in the 60's and early 70's, instead of building only Super cars, so they can attract a wider range of buyers who don't have $250,000+ for a Sportscars! They would probably sell more cars that way. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Huge Countach fan, but the Lamborghini cars of the mid 60's and early 70's were great cars.

[@mazer1971]

Porsche are officially no longer investing in Electric Vehicles.

[@v4skunk739]

Ferrari and BMW don't want them as well. JCB also says EV is a joke.

[@betaich]

Since when?

[@benpenagonzales6014]

JCB leading heavy goods/ machines hydrogen ICE. With clean energy to get the split out hydrogen = bingo. Good luck to them

[@betaich]

@@benpenagonzales6014 I was asking op about Porsche.

[@benpenagonzales6014]

Porsche own part of Rimac so ostensibly they are still in the game

[@simoneb4393]

Sorry but a urus is sq8rs - hundreds of parts have the audi rings and vw emblem…

[@simoneb4393]

Tony is right btw 😁

[@africanotomotiv]

@25:54; it's ingress and "egress". Not regress. Just saying. 😂

[@andrewhurstcars]

I think Sam does it on purpose. He’s a clever chap.

[@africanotomotiv]

@@andrewhurstcars perhaps. I guess it's the pedant in me.

[@raywhite7789]

Nooo. We had to leave our beloved Cayman GTS behind in our previous home because we couldn’t take it back to our home country. We were literally talking about replacing it later next year with a GT4. While an electric Cayman and Boxter might be great cars they won’t be able to replace the petrol versions. Look what the 4 cylinder did to its popularity.

[@borjastick]

They obviously didn't do it in Sam's size.

[@Torchman-]

So much leg there, Sam. Keep it appropriate.. /s

[@nigel.w]

I think they make the M3 for two types of person. Firstly, the person who needs one car to do everything. Secondly, the immature person who no matter what needs the bragging rights and to burn off other people from the traffic lights. On the other hand, the audience for the M340i is broader. Firstly, the person who simply can't afford the extra money for the M3. Secondly, the person who has a proper sports/super car for the early Sunday morning spirited drive, the bragging rights and the feel-good factor. Thirdly, for the mature person who doesn't need to brag or burn off other people from the traffic lights; for the person who knows that on public roads the M340i still has more than enough performance on tap. Fourthly, for the person who appreciates and wants a six-cylinder rather than a four. Fifthly, for the person who wants the bragging rights over regular cars, which are still very significant, and to burn off most other people from the traffic lights. Lastly, for people who simply prefer the looks and know the performance on tap is still more than enough.

[@marcnobel3938]

There will be still a petrol version parallel to the Electric 718. Same to the new Macan. So people can choose what they want. - Sorry to say, but Porsche is not competing with Jaguar. Sales Numbers are a joke in the moment compared to Porsche. Even the electric cars don`t sell good anymore.

[@bhyat]

Well if someone smashes into the back of your 911 you lose your entire engine Toney

[@poodipoodi]

M3 appeals to those who can only afford to have one car and want the car to be both practical and fun (fair/little compromise on both sides)

[@sakk1192]

I know a Range Rover on average cost 25k to produce with staff promotion everything included

[@andrewsimckes5748]

The faster cars are made for Texas our Max Speeda Avg. 70 MPH

[@drkharfan6733]

Don't forget that RD is tax deductible!

[@stefangrubesic2708]

Don't really get the argument of being a Ferrari guy so not carrying about the Miura, like saying I'm a BMW fan i wouldn't care about the Audi UrQuattro, there are cars that are special enough to be for everyone

[@stuartsmith5308]

38.12 Carbon Fak@#r 🤣😂🙃

[@simonbottomley6484]

Guys, hydrogen combustion engines......check out online content about JCB, forget Toyota, JCB have absolutely nailed hydrogen....and will dispel the myths you mention in this episode :)

[@stephengranger6389]

I used to be a sales person at Mercedes store. When people would come in and want a C63 I would push them to look at the C43. No normal person is going to be able to use the differences in the two cars and the 43 is plenty of car.