Is this the best ALL IN ONE home power system? Sigenergy battery storage, PV and DC EV charging...

Whole home back and DC electric vehicle charging just got an upgrade in the UK and beyond! Check out the Sigenergy SigenStor!
This was provided to us free of charge in exchange for this video and we delve into the installation process and powerful features of this feature rich product.
From the installation on the wall to app operation and gateway testing.
This is unlike anything else we have tried before and the quality speaks for itself. The datasheets and product information is listed below along with a link to the installer portal for any installers who want to take the free training Sigenergy offer.
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[@IPC0101]

To the layman it looks a very well designed system, thanks for the video

[@handymanny1021]

Installed a three phase one last month along with their gateway. So easy to install and the user app is very good.

[@MrGreedyboyuk]

Hopefully with a Home Assistant integration hot on the heels.

[@seancarter7909]

Does the backup work across all 3 phases?

[@tonywebb9909]

Yes we use the SiGe here in Ireland, it is the best one out there on data specs but also it is 1K more expensive than the Sofar powerall which has less depth, great for utility rooms. nothing lasts outside where we are!

[@Sheffield_Renewable_Services]

Really great video Mark. Thanks to yourself and Yogi I should be installing my first one next week. The gateway looks like a dream to connect up.👌🏼

[@electrician247]

Thats mate, appreciate it.

[@protectiongeek]

A nice looking bit of kit, Mark. One or two things I noted during the install - design issues, not installer issues 🙂 - the AC power connector to the inverter doesn't give much room for the bend in the AC cable. Maybe the manufacturer should have a right-angled terminal connector as an option to make the electrician's life a wee bit easier! Secondly, the finished outdoor unit is very smart but I think I would be fitting some kind of mesh to close-off the gap at the back of the unit to prevent rodent damage to cables or wasp nests. The changeover contactor has to be break-before-make, of course, and so there is no guarantee that any equipment like routers or desktop PCs will not 'see' the grid drop out. I would always advise the use of UPS for these devices. The minimum delay before back-sync and automatic reconnection to the grid from island mode required by G99 is 20s (clause 10.3.4). I would say it should be a minimum of 60s if the installation is supplied from an overhead MV distribution network to allow any auto-reclosing equipment on the overhead feeder to have finished its sequence. Finally, I'm a bit wary of the use of a C125 incoming MCCB(?). Installations in rural areas supplied from pole-mounted transformers can have surprisingly low prospective fault currents, so a busbar fault in the gateway might not be cleared! Thanks for another very detailed and informative video.

[@electrician247]

Thanks! The connector space is pretty roomy tbh behind the cover panel. Perhaps deceptive on the video. But as an installer more than happy with wiring room at the inverter and gateway. Enclosure around cables is always a battle outdoors. That said rodents and wasps will find a way past most barriers. Absolutely correct this is not UPS but the time is in the milli seconds. We have tried this on multiple similar solutions from other manufacturers. Most past the router and PC test tbf to them. Which is incredible really. In terms of the OCPD we need to remember we are protecting faults within the installation. Those are selected based on design considerations. It can not be expected of manufacturers to provide a one size fits all. In the circumstances you describe the breakers can if required be changed. That said much like main tails into a regular consumer unit the service fuse is always a final catch all in terms of short circuit in the main switchgear. Luckily here we have plenty of fault current. Thanks for watching.

[@IanB61]

Impressive system. Better than Givenergy All in 1 imo with the mix and match plug in stack and fire safety features. The dc charger appears very expensive, so normal ac might be better for now. Regarding comms what does the 4g dongle do. Is it necessary if connecting cat 6 to the gateway?. Thanks for the video and information Mark

[@mrmuds8624]

Very interesting product. Not able to see any prices online or anything though, so my guess is they're quite pricey. If they can match GivEnergy prices, they're on to a winner.

[@electrician247]

They are lower cost than GE.

[@grantpatterson1441]

Very similar connectors and construction to huwaei products. Looks a gd system

[@VIEWEROFVIDEO1]

Great video as I am considering pretty much this exact config. The gateway is my sticking point tho. From what I can tell it is really only providing a UPS type feature if I am correct. We can still feed back to the grid without it. In the video it sound like there is a humm out of it when it is on the grid. That might affect where I would be putting it TBH.

[@electrician247]

Yes the gateway is just for backup purposes and bringing multiple generators into that system. You don’t need it just to use the system both for storage and import/export. It does humm a little as all contactors do Thanks Mark

[@waynegaskell]

Great Video thank you, a system i've got my eye on.

[@electrician247]

If you want a proposal drop a message over to [e-mail] it is just .co on the end cheers

[@Deano007a]

Tell that customer to move that router off the floor and closer to the middle of the house 😅

[@connor3087]

Well Mark great video 👍🏻 just got a quote on the sigenergy 8kw system with 22 450w solar panels. Just wondering when the PV install video will be uploaded???

[@electrician247]

Not much longer mate. We are a few months ahead on content recorded/release

[@judebrown4103]

That's really great to see another all in one to choose from. How does the price compare to Giv and the TP? I do like the look of this, it looks neat and tidy and i really like the inbuilt safety components. Great video, thanks.👍🙏

[@electrician247]

It is under the price of those but they are all roughly similar on price tbh.

[@judebrown4103]

​@@electrician247well, under is good, even if just a bit. Thanks Mark.👍🙏

[@MrGreedyboyuk]

D'oh, I'd pretty much made up my mind to go with GivEnergy (but not the all-in-one due to present scalability & cost) but SigEnergy looks very interesting. DC charging module as well. Key point being is cost? Is it comparable with GivEnergy, which I can easily price check with other products. I've not found pricing on SigEnergy SigenStor. Good vid.

[@MrGreedyboyuk]

Sorry, spotted the same question, and answers, in the comments.

[@easyyards3154]

Another great video Mark. 1) You said a peak of 9000w from the battery in backup (off-grid) mode? The data sheet says 10 seconds. So does it take up to 10 seconds to be able to supply 9000w? Or can it supply up to 9000w peak for 10 seconds? 2) Would the discharge rate be limited by the 6 Kw inverter? Two 8Kw batteries could theoretically discharge 4Kw each, totalling 8Kw but the actual AC discharge limited to 6Kw by the inverter. 3) As the batteries are DC coupled could two 8Kw batteries charge directly from solar panels at 4Kw each simultaneously, or again, are you limited by the 6Kw inverter? So one battery charging at 100% rate (4Kw) and the second at 50% rate (2Kw), or split to both at 3Kw each? Thanks in advance for your answers.

[@electrician247]

1. 10s peak 9kW 2. The inverter would limit the AC output but not the DC power to an electric vehicle on the DC charger. They now have up to 12kW single phase inverters available this used to be the biggest, no more! 3. Yes DC from the panels can go direct to the batteries. It has a hybrid capability for both ac and dc coupling.

[@easyyards3154]

@@electrician247 Mark, I really appreciate your reply. Your passion for your work, industry and solar is evident and highlighted by all of the replies to the comments for all of your videos, very commendable 👏🏻 Could I ask a supplementary question 🫣 1) Does the gateway require any form of DNO permission or notification? I thought that some DNO’s are “uncomfortable” with systems that “island,” but can feed back. Is this system the advancement of this? I think you said the contactor will immediately “break” up on detection of power loss from the grid, thus preventing any back feed. Therefore, are the DNO’s accepting of that?

[@electrician247]

@easyyards3154 this is ENA approved but the dno will require request/informing of the connection

[@kevinpickett7249]

Great video 👍

[@PaulStephenson003]

doesn't seem to have any options in the US yet unfortunately (unless I missed it on the site when searching)

[@liberatodelgreco4430]

Excellent video, I wonder if the DC EV charger will be bi-directional.

[@electrician247]

It sure is mate

[@glassdomedesign]

Stumbled across the Sigenergy stuff and it looks great - how does it compare to the Tesla Powerwall 3 that’s about to be released? Cost and performance. Ideally looking for a whole house backup

[@ryanpitts454]

Has there been any more information on the bi directional charging within the UK ( V2X V2G V2H V2L ) Holding out to know which system and which EV to buy. Thanks

[@davidianwalsh]

The obvious question is how does the cost compare to the Tesla PW and The GIvEnergy All-in -One?

[@electrician247]

It is lower cost than both. But price is all much of a muchness tbh. Value is key and pound for pound this is right up there with the GE AIO.

[@mark_just_mark]

Nice video and unit looks very neat… Is that effectively working as an AC Coupled solution with no solar?

[@electrician247]

At the time of recording yes. Right now no lol.

[@mark_just_mark]

Can it be used as AC Coupled or only as Hybrid with Solar? When it is Hybrid does the ‘backup’ supply keep the inverter working ?

[@electrician247]

@@mark_just_mark Yes it can be run as battery only.Yes the inverter keeps running when paired with a gateway.

[@adlersolar1795]

Good Product, but it must be installed under a roof or carport or in a garage, as Sigenergy clearly states this in their manual. Outside but not in the rain.

[@electrician247]

All of these systems require basic sheltering aside from the tesla power wall. Basics tbh.

[@neilm9400]

Did you post the video for connecting up the PV on this project ?

[@electrician247]

It’s coming we are a few months ahead of recording etc

[@neilm9400]

@@electrician247 Thanks for reply. I look forward to it.

[@edc1569]

Pretty sure there is still not agreed V2H standard for CCS so that claim might be nonsense.

[@electrician247]

Above my paygrade. But this is coming to the UK in July. It is already in use in Germany.

[@davidbrookes9424]

Do you know where the dc EV charger plugs into?

[@electrician247]

Stacks onto the system like the batteries and inverter do.

[@samfish6938]

they should put dc isolator outside in case of fire

[@electrician247]

DC isolators belong in the fixed wiring. We do 🤣

[@samfish6938]

put sealent in holes in brick stops air and water

[@electrician247]

We do 🤣

[@markbennett9043]

What kind of price we talking comparing with fox ess I was thinking about. Where are you based mark? Looks.good system

[@electrician247]

We are in East Yorkshire. Price is competitive based on the spec etc.

[@markbennett9043]

Very interested in his system,would you fit in in Boston Lincolnshire?

[@electrician247]

@@markbennett9043 Hi Mark, absolutely. If you send details to [e-mail] happy to help. It is just .co on the end and 18 years later that email address is still the worst business decision I ever made lol.

[@ianjco60]

LFP chemistry?

[@electrician247]

Yes

[@hondata05]

What max charge an discharge rates?

[@electrician247]

Varies on the number and type of battery modules as discussed in the video which also has links to the datasheets in the description. Very good specs on both though 💪

[@hondata05]

@@electrician247 just done online course this system is brilliant!

[@easyyards3154]

@@hondata05 where did you do the online course please?