Thundering Jets: The F-86 Sabre & The Dawn of Fighter Supremacy

[@Dronescapes]

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[@tomholley5464]

The F86 was the perfect aircraft at the perfect time , it's as timeless as the P51 Mustang

[@nolarobert]

The most aesthetically pleasing jet fighter ever made.

[@minhthunguyendang9900]

The night fighter version is the most beautiful 16:37

[@9HighFlyer9]

​@@minhthunguyendang9900 I'm going to disagree with you. North American Aviation made some strikingly beautiful airplanes overall. The "SabreDog" wasn't one of them though.

[@minhthunguyendang9900]

@@9HighFlyer9 I meant only for the F-86 series. The naval versions FJ-3/4 are the best looking in shape proportions.

[@donf3877]

When I was stationed at Kadena Air Base Okinawa Japan back in the late 1970's... the Japanese Self Defense Force was STILL using the F-86 Sabre. Happy to see the US finally upgraded their fleet.

[@321-Gone]

I like the electronic retro music playing over the take off sequence.

[@zacharypederson6816]

I was watching this when they were talking about the 262, and all I could think was... Imagine being a member of Hitlers staff. "Mein fuhrer, we have the fastest plane in the world. We can use it to intercept the American and British bombers before they reach out factories." Hitler: "Great. Use it as a bomber." "Wut?"

[@Dronescapes]

The Me 262 was an operational disaster, not due to the airframe which was excellent, but the engines that were tragically flawed (and the ubiquitous materials scarcity was only one of the reasons). That engine would have been disastrous on all other aircraft, including a bomber. The Me 262 was more a propaganda gimmick when it was deployed at the end of 1944, months before Nazi Germany lost the war.

[@Kestral69]

50mm is not the same thing as .50 caliber. The standard armament on the F-86 was the Browning M3 .50 cal machine gun.

[@joshsanchez8939]

Haha I looked here for this

[@derek45auto23]

They are .50 caliber, 0.50" diameter, not 50mm which is about 1.97"

[@fuqewetoo7148]

My father was an f86 pilot RCF 416

[@madlenellul3430]

Spitfire and Sabre. The two most distinct aircraft icons of the 20th.century. 🥰🇦🇺🇺🇸

[@kc72186]

Love the F86 and the Captain Hangover bit was classic 1950s America 🍻

[@edwardpate6128]

50mm maching guns! Wow would those be something!

[@adlerarmory8382]

Yeah all this effort to only get something so very wrong. M3 .50BMG Aircraft Guns

[@paulshaw5119]

Beautifull little plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@user-dl8zc8fw2k]

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[@Marvinwalker-ud3yo]

In my opinion, the Senate 4 most beautiful fighter airplanes ever made are the F86, the F16, P40 War Hawk and the😂P51 Mustang. But that is just my opinion 😂😂😂.

[@hanskurtmann6781]

F-86 F the ultimate non-Super Sabre.

[@zimmre423]

Dang SIX 50 mm machine guns!

[@MrDredd1966]

No, 6x 50 cal machine guns..

[@MrDredd1966]

Didn't a few Russian world war two ace's fly Mig fifteens in the Korean war??

[@brealistic3542]

North American got it perfectly right with the F86. I have never heard of a pilot that flew it who didn't say it.

[@hertzair1186]

F-86 was German designed….by North American Aviations German immigrant engineer Edgar Schmued.

[@richardplander1775]

I'd be interested to know more about the "all flying tail" and its early development!?

[@mikehagmaier3949]

One of my favorites!

[@pdxeddie1111]

things had to be really bad in the Soviet Union for a pilot to betray his country knowing full well what would happen to everyone he knew. A hundred thousand dollars was a lot of money back but still everyone he knows would be under KGB scrutiny forever and many of them would likely be sent to punishment posts and gulags for almost nothing. Ya the old workers paradise is like it's paradise because we say it is and if you don't think so, we will send you somewhere where this will seem like paradise in comparison. Absolute power of the state insures bad results.

[@minhthunguyendang9900]

9:01 At the rear of the cockpit looks like a 💀 head

[@JessPeters-qg1bn]

When I was in Korea in 68 to 69 the ROKAF was replacing the F86 with F5s. Many in the ROKAF weren't happy with the change. They loved the Sabre. At the same time they saw how the Migs 15s and 17s of North Vietnam were Giving our fighters a bad time.

[@Dronescapes]

Thank you for your service Jess. Perhaps you do not know that the MiG-15 was equipped with Whittle's British engine (RR Nene). the Soviets purchased a few units with the agreement they would not copy them. Needless to say, they reverse engineered it, and mass produced it, fitting it in the MiG, after they discarded the ultra-flawed German engines from WW2. What is even more interesting is that the same engine was shipped to the U.S. (General Electric) in 1941 together with the inventor (Frank Whittle), in great secrecy. In 1942 that engine powered the first jet aircraft to fly on U.S. soil (Bell XP-59) and later Kelly Johnson/Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star, the first operational U.S. jet fighter, which initially faced the MiG-15 in Korea. They practically had the same engine, but the P-80 did not have swept wings, which probably made it inferior to the MiG. The Sabre was essential to regain control, and it was equipped with a rushed into action axial turbojet. The move was mainly dictated by the P-80's inferiority. Here is an interesting look at what happened: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKPNiH9tbbWhmrs

[@JessPeters-qg1bn]

@Dronescapes Thank you. I was aware of how the Russians got it, and about the P59, but not about the F80 using the same engine.

[@Tyler-gv6zf]

Wow I'm early. Nice work!

[@kennethpaladino4948]

50mm machine guns? Really? I thought they were .50 caliber! 🤯

[@Bull53]

This was an excellent aircraft!

[@3dfreak2000]

The Mig15 looks like a short pvc pipe with wings and tail. The F86 is more stilish, and have a better aerodynamic design.

[@NotsayingJustsaying897]

The shooting star saw service im Europe in the late war.

[@user-lt5tx1ef3x]

Australia further developed it into the Avon Sabre

[@alankucar8025]

0:13 That's a La-15

[@ursus9104]

German technology….

I like how these documentaries like to overstate British and US jet technology during WW-2.. It was in fact the foot dragging by the Germans that kept them from completely dominating the air during the war.. The Germans came very close to getting the metallurgy tech they lacked in this time frame..

[@Dronescapes]

If you are being completely objective and consider that after the war, despite putting to work 120 (ex) Nazi engineers involved in the development of those German turbojets, it took France (the only country that show any real interest in those heavily flawed engines), eight endless years to make them operationally sound. What is worse, it did not stop at that, they also had to radically modify them, and seek external help from a U.S. company. That's how bad they were, and that is proof that the ubiquitous explanation of metals was just one of the many issues, despite three German companies (Junkers, Heinkel, and BMW) working on them for several years. Britain had been working on both axial and centrifugal turbojets (Whittle) since the late 20s. they just had no reason whatsoever to deploy them operationally. Germany did just so out of desperation, and quite frankly silly propaganda. Those Jumo engines were anything but ready when they were deployed months before Germany was defeated, and that is why no country paid attention to those engines, except France (and Russia for 5 seconds). Even the Czech Air Force gave it a try, since they had been assembling Me 262s during the war, but they also ended up using the British copied engines (RR Nene AKA Whittle's engine).

[@sirdukemoose4448]

dude your British is showing. 50 mm Mahine guns?

[@gilzor9376]

Seriously? Was the opening statement making a bogus claim that the history of jet powered fighters dates back before WWII? It was not till the middle of 1944 till the first jet fighter entered combat! Surely was not a British plane either! The ME262, the Germans were long before the Comet came to be. The Comet's first flight was 5 years later in 1949! What kind of British Rubbish is this!! Correction, I meant to state the facts about Gloster Meteor, not the Comet.

[@Manymanboy]

The gloster e.28/39 was designed in 1939 but didn't fly till 41, but Germans also had prewar designs as well. They just never became production vehicles

[@Manymanboy]

Also your comment about the comet not flying till 1949 seems irrelevant? Like that's an post war airliner? I think you meant to say the meteor but that flew in 1944 so idk what you are talking about

[@Falke615]

The HE178 first flew on 27 August 1939. While not a fighter, it was the worlds first jet aircraft and this pre-dates the invasion of Poland. This depends on if you count start of hostilities in Poland as the start of WW2, or go back to 1937 and the invasion of China...

[@gilzor9376]

@@Falke615 . . . . The HE178 was an experimental aircraft, not a fighter, on top of that it first flew just 5 days before the start of WWII. However, being the first ever jet powered plane (not fighter) it is a stretch to claim that any jet fighter was around before WWII, much less anything built by British Manufacturers.

[@gilzor9376]

@@Manymanboy . . . ​ @Manymanboy , I meant to state the Meteor's dates which first flew March 1943, far from the stated 'before WWII'. No 'Jet fighter aircraft ever took flight before WWII.

[@JB-rt4mx]

ME 262, way ahead of Fish & Chips Brits 😂😅

[@Dronescapes]

Except it had a disastrous engine that should have never been operationally deployed. One that was so bad that after the war it was virtually ignored by everyone except the French, but it took them eight years to make it work, and required thenFrench government to employ 120 Nazi engineers to do so. They also had to radically modify it, and sought help from a U.S. company. By the end of 1944, when the Me 262 became “operational” with an engine that was anything but ready, Britain had already been working on both centrifugal and axial turbojet for a long time. Of course people that know history are aware that the first turbojet in history was British (Whittle, April 1937), but Metrovick also had an axial turbojet in the early 40s, but he had issues, just like the Jumo. The difference is that Britain had no reason in the world to deploy a novel technology, whereas Nazi Germany was desperate, being only months away from total defeat. Since they could care less about their pilots, they deployed a piece of junk aircraft, good for a pathetic, desperate propaganda, but also absolutely useless. What you think was an achievement, was in fact desperation. As a reminder, Whittle’s engine was also sent to the U.S. in 1941, together with the inventor, and for the record, a Gloster Meteor set the world speed record in 1945 using his (reliable) engine, matching the utterly flawed Me 262. Whittle’s turbojet was the perfect interim solution, and remained so until the mid 50s, followed by axial turbojets that had been developed since the end of the 1920s. To add to the story, Von Ohain had access to Whittle’s work, as it had been copied and distributed in Germany, and the famous he 178 flight integrated his invention as well, prompting Von Ohain to recognize the British genius as the true inventor in his own book… Last but not least, Whittle lost at least 6 years as he had been ignored and ostracized by the British government. On the other had the Me 262 had a great airframe for the time, but that’s about it. It still needed a proper engine, and not an operationally useless one.