Tesla Powerwall's Best Friend

[@wurm8814]

Another great video I really like to see this new tech finally coming to market. I looked up the website because we are about to upgrade our electrical panel and they are coming in at $3500 +install, shipping and of course tax. We are in the process of getting an installation quote I will update this post once we do. I live in NH so your mileage may vary.

[@royesmith1828]

i love watching your vedios.

[@tomsuica8731]

What a pain that panel. You are so kind to it still. They should engineer holes and special connectors that product sucks and the curved sides make it borderline unusable. It is pretty though.

[@MegaDraadloos]

Love to watch these video's. The difference between the VS and the Netherlands is night and day on electric panel level.

[@ElectricProAcademy]

We're hearing a lot of that from you Europeans! Thanks for joining!

[@daemoncan2364]

Rather than making a mess with hole saws, wouldn't be neater & quicker if a c-frame punch were used?

[@Lewdacris916]

yes a punch is much cleaner holes

[@xephael3485]

Plasma cutter

[@nukiepoo]

He should’ve removed the panel guts before making k/os and horsing it on to the cables

[@MOtherBoardFire]

Wow 3k and no knockouts... seems like ton of extra work for what? Levitons at least does updates to afci breakers which is neat.

[@jovetj]

I'm sure it's so it looks "nice" and smooth when it's surface mounted. And it helps keep the enclosure rating.

[@modernneanderthal6970]

Forget the mess of using holesaws... invest in a knockout punch kit from greenlee... and this install have me a migraine.

[@markpartin8403]

Good idea to tape something over the panel to catch metal shavings. Just curious why he didn't turn the panel upside down when drilling ?

[@lpduncan]

SAVE A LOT OF MONEY JUST ON BREAKERS...WOW.....BIG MONEY OFF!

[@robertbeyers1308]

Where's your video link to the video about your temporary power?

[@skyemac8]

Making your own knock outs sometimes is needed anyway. Just a few more holes.

[@flyingjeff1984]

Would a hydraulic hole punch work with this panel? Sure works nice on a trough.

[@wirenut003]

well this panel is made of solid gold and might not work

[@flyingjeff1984]

@@wirenut003 My wife's car is designed so that Toyota can shut off features whenever it decides. (Of course, for a fee they will also sell us more features.) If the manufacturer has this much wireless control, doesn't the government? I don't think I need the government in my load center. Joel, my solar setup is "monitored", yet, when 2 or 3 of the panels took themselves off line I had to figure out the problem. The software didn't do anything. The monitoring was worth what I paid--nothing. I hope SPAN has a better plan.

[@cengeb]

Don't say "BOOM!!" when turning on breakers!!!

[@Lewdacris916]

why are there no knockouts on the top or the bottom, how do they expect all the runs to come in?

[@ElectricProAcademy]

It's due to their outdoor rating in order to maintain weatherproofing.

[@Lewdacris916]

@@ElectricProAcademy ah i see so its designed for wet enviroments, they should make a model with typical KO in my opinion

[@frankierocca8127]

Panel to labor intensive to install.

[@jovetj]

Data cabinets: Larger is ALWAYS better!

[@ChickenPermissionOG]

So expensive for a panel.

[@rolandmcphail5060]

you are 100% correct on pre-made cat6 cables. i work in the industrial/ machine control field, and we use tons of them for device communication. pre-made is a big saver of time and trouble.

[@Redddie1337]

Which video did the spark while Joel was moving the wire in the ceiling in the intro come from?

[@ElectricProAcademy]

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[@digi3218]

Didn't know I was early until I realized there's only 3 comments. Merry Christmas everybody! 🎄⛄

[@Gruntled2001]

🎄🎅

[@bradawilliams1]

A little frustration is real. Kudos.

[@jerryfaircloth]

You still have to drill a pilot hole but the greenlee punches do a much better job of the knockout holes with an impact driver over using the hole saw. Nice panel but I wonder how you add a GFCI or AFCI siemens style breaker? Same as any other with the pigtail since its not a PON panel?

[@deadonleprechaun]

One of my new favorite channels, merry Christmas 🎄

[@youshouldknowthis3424]

Low voltage box on left too close

[@scottapt5291]

Personally, I don't see the value in this beyond "look what I got". It's making the system more complicated than it has to be. My customers are usually stumped trying to understand Gfci's and Afci's let alone dealing with software in the breaker panel. Your typical residence doesn't need all of the complications that this equipment introduces. People want to call an electrician when they need one and not every time a trouble code pops up on their breaker load center. Too much of a chance of premature obsolescence as well. Good luck with it though. Not for my customers. I'm not wiring Starships yet.

[@nukiepoo]

Not enough spaces either. Me, I would be installing a QO154M200P. 40 circuits are just not enough today. Also, tandem breakers are no good for AFCI and GFCI.

[@JNHEscapes]

I have owned and operated an IT consulting business for nearly 30 years. The integration of tech into core trade equipment (plumbing, electrical, etc) is not only scary, but hard to manage for and support for the traditional trade business owner so kudos for jumping in. However, while on the phone with support I would have asked several additional questions: does the panel operate normally when there is a comm or monitoring or firmware or software problem or error? In other words, did they build the panel so that the core functionality (hardwired electrical) works no matter what? The last thing I want is to drop a panel due to a firmware update. Second, if the comm module or “brain” of the technology side of that panel fails how easy is it to replace? Does the entire panel have to be replaced or is the comm module separate? Also, the cat 6 is your single point of entry for lightning and surge. You can protect that panel all you want, but the ethernet cable is going to pop the comm module every time AND (depending on his answers for previous questions) could down the panel or cause a significant labor cost. Adding tech to things is great, but as a tech consultant, if it were my panel, I would always use a standalone third-party monitoring system outside of my panel. Also, my question to you: if a lightning strike or power surge is close enough to that panel would or could it just blow past the surge protector? Would it go straight for the car or heaviest load with the largest wire gauge due to lower resistance? All fascinating stuff and I would LOVE to work for you! Trade businesses will need IT techs on staff moving forward. I’ve been saying that for years and it has never been more true than right now.

[@ChadwickFerguson]

when the server shuts off you will have a $6000 panel that functions like a $100 panel. Open Source, Open Standards, no "cloud" is the only way this component will be worth its "cost"

[@accountability2000]

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[@AmauryJacquot]

the Jokari is the reason why all permanent installation cables in the EU (similar to what the US uses romex for) are round...

[@caidhg]

Span should really figure out how to integrate the wifi antennas into the surface of the door.

[@Ryan-mj8kc]

Nice video, you should try the arlington nm94x romex connectors for flush mounted panels with romex, they work better for horsing that panel into place

[@rb8049]

Span needs cutouts with waterproof plugs. It makes no sense to be drilling a panel with electronics.

[@FHES2005]

I like the idea and the design of the span panel but having to drill out your own knockouts for every home run is really not worth it to me if they made a panel that had pre knockouts in it or like square d has that has that on top and bottom we're going to slide the romax cables on

[@stevehaken]

SPAN really needs to upgrade their panel to support Plug-on-neutral breakers. The software is the real value to SPAN. Unfortunately only about 1/4 to 1/2 of my customers will see the value.

[@Reedith]

Apparently they used to have plug on neutral and they phased it out for some reason

[@nukiepoo]

Love the channel. Been in business for 25yrs of my 45yrs in the trade. Still love boing into the field when I can. I’ve been a desk jockey for years now. I gave one of my longtime employees 10% of the business last year. He handles the crews and field work. But, believe me, I’ve paid my dues. I enjoy watching young smart guys like you making a go of it. And, you’re right: if a piece of material will save you time for a bit more cost, it pays. Specifically, if you’re small business it’s more important to get more work done in a given amount of time to keep your volume up then it is to save money by not using labor saving materials and tools. I used to work for a guy years ago when they first came out with offset EMT connectors. He refused to pay extra for those because he thought that it only takes two seconds to put a couple kicks on it with the conduit bender. Labor adds up and that is the most precious part of what you invest into a project. Keep up the good work. Joel, May I make a few suggestions? you should remove panel interior assembly before drilling K/Os. I wouldn’t trust that paper and tape to keep every shaving out. And, get some carbide K/O cutters from Greenlee; they make nice clean holes. That hole saw was a bit rough. Also, panel guts stay out while fudging that panel over the wires and into the wall. If I can take the interior out of any piece of equipment I’m working on, I do so. Even on a trans S cabinet I will drill out all the rivets and take the door off. It makes handling it much easier especially if you’re working by yourself - and then use stainless steel pop rivets to refasten the piano hinge back to the enclosure. When I install generators, if the transfer switch interior has a sub base, I will remove it too - until I have all my conduit connections and everything made up. A panel change on a Friday. You like Pressure. 😊

[@ElectricProAcademy]

Full of good suggestions. Read every word of that and appreciate the input friend!

[@fubar5884]

So this thing is 5 grand, no off the shelf parts, no service outside middle-men distro centers, no knockouts, it's a newer company you are banking on (or more likely crossing your fingers on) actually sticking around and not go bankrupt, bought-out, etc, or the "smart" IoT will become worthless and may even prohibit it from simply working like an old 'dumb' box. *Or* that that software and the hardware running it is good for 45-50 years like boxes of yore and they aren't telling you in 15 years your box is "outdated" and can no longer receive new updates until you buy the new 10 grand box. Anyone who thinks adding a bunch of hardware and software that can stop a thing from working completely and have no end-user serviceable parts is making a very hard sell to anyone with even a a basic inkling of tech knowledge who isn't oblivious to how the world works. Honestly if you want home monitering that badly, buy a cheapo box and some Wi-Fi sensors that just clip to whatever circuit you want to monitor and save yourself about 5 grand and a whole lot of future headaches down the road. But that's just my .02

[@petesilvestri]

Great points… also the upsell items, $600 for a surge protector seems outrageous and overpriced.

[@cengeb]

$5,000 and reusing old breakers, doesn't sound like a good deal...

[@MrTooTechnical]

Great vid. How come the spam panel don’t come with more breaker slots??

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

14:07 That looks so ugly and not well thought out by Span. Not that it's visible daily, but I guess it is the Cadillac (current GM junk) of electrical panels. I want the Lexus of electrical panels.

[@jimdavis6357]

Just wondering if they have greenly punches any more. I was always pleased with the finished holes they produce.

[@nukiepoo]

“Reboot the panel… takes three minutes…” sounds like a Z80

[@jmcguire56]

Joel, I really enjoy watching you work and go through your plans and processes for a job. As a DIY'er you've given me a lot of idea on how to plan to do a job instead of doing things by the seat of my pants.

[@jovetj]

Shame you can't put the surge protection outside near the main disconnect...

[@1mcarrell]

Do you need the WiFi antennas if you are using the Ethernet cable? Or can you use that hole for wiring?

[@kc0eks]

Love my technology, being in IT I see crap fail often and this is just too critical to have components fail

[@GS-lh2nx]

This feels like they fixed a problem no one has. Lots of information but after the novelty wears off does anyone look? Plus you introduce a ton of failure points. KISS. Great video though. Thx for bringing us along.

[@Eddy63]

Nice job Joel ...

[@timg1585]

Why doesn't such an expensive panel have punch outs? Seems like a lot of wasted time drilling holes....

[@wirenut003]

Nice install, looks like a great product for the customer way into the future as far as technology. sometimes what I do is mount a 6x6 or even an 8x8 trough with two nipples into the top of the panel, and the Romex cables come into the top of the trough with the factory knockouts, and down the line much easier to come out of the panel with future circuits.

[@bones549]

Nice but as a homeowner I would have to see the roi? I just put in a qo 84 spot main panel for 500.

[@persona250]

There is no roi. It’s a complete waste of money .

[@cengeb]

having to drill out the holes is really a poor design, how does it have a UL listing, since you are modifying it after the fact...strange

[@Tom-wj4tr]

Two of these installs, both times have to call support. No thanks!

[@digi3218]

Operator error maybe

[@ericfraser7543]

Electrician, seems like a great profession to get into, going to be a lot of work in the coming years with all the next gen equipment coming down the line...

[@cengeb]

licensing in Jersey has become tougher and tougher, rules to begin, have really gotten stricter and stricter

[@Thejakegee]

Stretch and Flex!

[@rackoone]

Wago has a inline lever nut that works really well for extending wires cleanly in a breaker panel. Wago 221-2401

[@cengeb]

WAGO is the way to go....once ya use WAGO, screw on wire nuts are just bad....Wago's does a much better range, and super quick and reliable

[@jeffhansman2829]

Not easy to find (even from Wago), but just a great solution for extending.

[@cengeb]

@@jeffhansman2829 amazon has all wagos

[@daemoncan2364]

4:30 Joel checks box for that "new-panel" smell.

[@cheako91155]

Are you making videos selectively about "bad" job sites, or does every 30+ year old EP need replacement?

[@Tom-wj4tr]

What an incredible waste.

[@jovetj]

Waste of what?

[@Tom-wj4tr]

@@jovetj Money and Time. Drilling and planning out your own knockouts, if you fuck it up then entire enclosure is toast. Multiple hours more for absolutely no value. Not to mention no plug on neutral? Super lame. Save yourself cash and time and buy the Leviton panels at least it will be backed by a real company vs startup that will be gone in a year.

[@newsield76]

Should be able to move the antennas away from box besides just to and bottom. Nice box.

[@charlesjohnson6073]

The whole time I've been watching this channel I've wondered if you've watched electrician u and when you said the name Dustin stelzer that answered my question LOL

[@360ModsandHacks]

No knockouts in a $5k panel. Honestly it's a nice looking panel but everything about it is trash, including their software. You've had to call customer support twice, and you've only installed 2! I do like watching you install them tho haha

[@richardroberson9277]

because its aimed at stupid hippies with powerwalls with more money than sense lol. its....worthless and will become pointless with v2g in a few short years

[@moosescorner]

yeah i love the premise of it, i think its a very forward thinking product but its limitations and the number of times he's had to call about software would make me reconsider it. Also if they were to go under, does it still function or is all the "smarts" of it disappear. I've often thought it'd be great if the panels had monitoring built into them to see the load on every single breaker at any point, but for 5k I'll just attach energy monitors to single devices i deem worthy as well as a whole house monitor to get the overall picture

[@wirenut003]

hopefully, later down the line, you can still get parts for the panel, they just jump ahead to another product design and do not make the parts for the past panels.

[@ChadwickFerguson]

lol premade cables and no knockouts - spanel $3k last i checked, firmware locked what happens when their servers go down? new panel? whew you say $4500 before dist MARKS UP? what world are we living in

[@jasonquinn5330]

a SPAN of new cables for a SPAN box. future proof

[@cengeb]

Knipex wire stripper is the best ever, like a surgical tool..even how it fits your hand is brilliant, like $59, All kinds of Whia insulated screw drivers, their insulated torgue screw driver is teh best yup

[@Samnang1965]

Hi happy Christmas I alway watch y very good works. Please I need your help last night I installed 2 of square D dual function 20 a breaker one for dining room work fine but 2nd one not working I checked two outlets I found all 3 wires were hot ? & tester said Rev ,also I tested Breaker after installing it working fine .then I removed it & put back the regular breaker it working fine . I never had this problem. Thanks

[@highryder100]

Make sure you have the hot and neutral wires landed in the correct spot on the breaker- iv had helpers mix them up and the breaker worked but was hot neutral reverse

[@kc0eks]

Not impressed with span at all. No knockouts and technology in the main panel is a no. Lots of things that can fail in there, and none of it easy to replace.

[@Gruntled2001]

Second! Thank you, Joel!

[@kc0eks]

Counting first and second comment is amazingly lame

[@Gruntled2001]

@@kc0eks not as lame as remarking on that lol

[@cengeb]

Making everything more complicated, with involving software, on something as basic and important as electric supply, is getting dopey...making it simple and reliable, not more abstract is good designs...why does a service panel need wi fi and all kinds of convoluted stuff..PASS...

[@joshuafranco5647]

your really good on code and state requirements so you know you can’t use old electrical equipments (breakers in this case) really disappointed

[@akshonclip]

This is just another example of companies trying to create solutions to problems that don’t exist. All marketing wank. If you truly need monitoring then get a name brand automation panel.

[@jovetj]

Oh, I dunno. Remote control and monitoring of individual circuits is a wet dream for some people. I know a few.

[@akshonclip]

@@jovetj Yeah. I know some too. But the novelty wears off quick.

[@aliaksandryurenia8093]

Any external internet connection is a potential vulnerability.

[@cengeb]

Having to boot up an electrical panel is beyond , getting absurd....when the panel goes out, and ya need wi fi for it to get reset, is kinda a bad loop to be in no power no wi fi, no reboot, no power, no wi fi, no power...

[@nukiepoo]

“Joel? I think you and spoke before…” when your one of 20 customers

[@ElectricProAcademy]

One more time?

[@richardroberson9277]

literally a stupid breaker panel with ct built in and relays.....with some leds in the back for only the price of a car. ffs. do yourself a favor - avoid this hot 10/10 garbage and when evs like the ford lightning cybertruck chevy silverado ev come out with the option to provide 100 AMPS just power your whole house like normal. not with some horrible 16 amp battery thats useless for anything practical

[@richardroberson9277]

all that work, all that effort.....for .....nothing? it does nothing literally. powerwall cant run anything but a tiny appliance. so just....dont use appliances when on offgrid power instead of blowing 8000$ on this crap.

[@fabrizios7440]

if I was you, I would use cat8 cables for the internet connection it preforms like fiber no electrical interference not much more in cost

[@kc0eks]

Cat8 is a waste of time. Cat5e can do 10gig same as cat6. I would probably use a fiber converter coming from main panel to isolate electrical from my network devices

[@fabrizios7440]

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[@cengeb]

those manual transfer switches work great I have the smaller one only 4 ckts, refrigerator, furnace, kitchen lights, one outlet....just the bare min...to hook up 2 Honda 3kW 3000is generators in parallel...bought it 1 year before Sandy hit us on the East coast, PERFECT timing, power was out for 18 hrs..which was nothing compared to other areas..hondas was perfect

[@JackElectrician]

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