Sub Panels Explained - Why are neutral and ground separated?

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@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
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@manickn6819
@manickn6819 Жыл бұрын
Good video. Can you do one on UK electrical systems? TNCS
@MTZ_Tractors
@MTZ_Tractors Жыл бұрын
Kindly make a detailed video on the Electronic Speed Controller and Servo tester controlling the BLDC 2212 Motor.
@mrafoboy5908
@mrafoboy5908 Жыл бұрын
Can u guys do a video on comparator 🙏
@soulofshona631
@soulofshona631 Жыл бұрын
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@soulofshona631
@soulofshona631 Жыл бұрын
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@robertbolzicco9995
@robertbolzicco9995 9 ай бұрын
I have been doing this for 20+ years and "just knew" what do do and why. This explained it so much better than anyone has in my 20 year service.
@frnks3020
@frnks3020 8 ай бұрын
Same
@rustimack
@rustimack 19 күн бұрын
You are responsible for your own education. Don't be lazy.
@rustimack
@rustimack 19 күн бұрын
Same? Theirs no way you've been doing this for 20 years.
@jakobsime4190
@jakobsime4190 2 күн бұрын
Same
@Mark-eu4di
@Mark-eu4di Жыл бұрын
As an electrician of 36 years I enjoy your videos very much as it reminds me of why we do what we do everyday without thought. It helps to refresh my memory thank you!
@melainewhite6409
@melainewhite6409 Жыл бұрын
Help me out here, main and sub panels connected by non-metallic raceway and way too far apart to ever be jointly touched. I'm not following how an absent neutral fault in a (wrongly) bonded sub panel is somehow worse than an absent neutral fault in a main panel with a (properly) unbonded sub panel. It seems in both cases current returns to the buried ground rod of the panel in which the absent neutral fault exists, energizing that panel's housing, and perhaps not tripping the breaker. So is it just the issue with current getting on a metallic raceway between the panels or an alternate path between the panels via a person contacting both that is not present with my scenario.
@Mark-eu4di
@Mark-eu4di Жыл бұрын
@@melainewhite6409 Because when you don’t isolate the neutral buss in a sub panel regardless of the distance the ground buss and the neutral buss are bonded together through the panel frame. Now the ground buss and the neutral buss become one through the metal frame of the panel. This is dangerous because both busses are going to carry current back to source (Which is your main panel, then your utility). The ground buss should NEVER carry current unless you have a fault to ground which then it will cause the circuit breaker to trip. In the main panel it is not an issue because the only thing between the main panel and the outside pole is your neutral/ground where they now join as one conductor. 😎
@melainewhite6409
@melainewhite6409 Жыл бұрын
@@Mark-eu4di Thanks
@PressRecord777
@PressRecord777 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a pro, but I'll never forget a quote that I read on Tom Henry's website nearly two decades ago: _"An electrician is educated to the fact that there are times when we _*_don't_*_ want electricity to work."_
@thardyryll
@thardyryll Жыл бұрын
@@PressRecord777You get my thumb’s up for that! I just copied that quote into my iPhone. Priceless. I am 68 and also no pro, but I did my first electrical work - everything, including a full SEP replacement - on my first house nearly 45 years ago. And it’s still standing. Cost me $37,500, and it’s worth $700,000 today.
@synctothegid
@synctothegid Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely the best presentation I have ever seen concerning this subject. I have been in the power business for over 40 years and my personal observation is that most people in this business, including myself, are hard pressed to really explain this adequately or have a true understanding of the "why" of this very important subject. Really great job. Thanks
@erintyres3609
@erintyres3609 Жыл бұрын
The diagrams at 1:44 and at 11:04 really help to make things clear.
@robertduncan2742
@robertduncan2742 14 күн бұрын
I have a panel in the garage with a external 240 box for my welder but I want to switch it to a 120v 30amp, the box used is a double 30amp buss fuses. I can't find any posts on doing the switching. The wires running into the 240 box should be 120 and 120, is switching them to 120v 30 amp just using one
@BlaiserAid
@BlaiserAid 11 ай бұрын
I am just a DYI dude. OK, I'm an engineer and fairly well educated about electricity, but I'm no electrician. I've rewired my house, replacing old wires and balancing circuits (with guidance from a licensed an electrician), installed new circuits, etc. I've never understood why sub-panel ground and neutral are not bonded. I've watched a number of KZbin videos and asked pros, and they just never really made sense to me. This video has made it very clear, and it was done really well. Thank you!
@gauthamtaube
@gauthamtaube Жыл бұрын
I know it takes a great deal of effort and attention to detail to explain something in a simple way. The more you try to explain something simply, the more illustrations and flow you need to construct, in order to get across the information without leaving your audience feel like they've already lost you. You have done exactly that - put all your knowledge together without a ton of effort to transfer that to your audience in a short manner. In the field of electrical engineering, not a lot of channels or content creators do that, like we see in the field of computers and IT/programming. You are one of those few content creators who is also hands-on and detailed, and we see your level of effort and really, really appreciate you!
@williamrose7818
@williamrose7818 Жыл бұрын
We do not bond sub panels because a ground cannot be a current carrying conductor. If you were to lose the neutral in a sub panel, and it was bonded, everything would work through the ground. And as I just mentioned the ground can not be a current carrying conductor. Thank you.
@skatedoof
@skatedoof Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting it simply
@FreighedNought
@FreighedNought Жыл бұрын
Should your ground wires be run to separate bars in the box?
@FreighedNought
@FreighedNought Жыл бұрын
As in the ground being separate from the neutral?
@djkingpersia
@djkingpersia Жыл бұрын
​@@FreighedNoughtyes you should add a ground bar to your sub panel and keep the grounds in neutral separate not put the ground in neutrals together on 1 bar
@odavis1364
@odavis1364 Жыл бұрын
Correct
@shazam6274
@shazam6274 Жыл бұрын
Excellent! The details and explanations of US Home wiring in a concise 16 minute video are quite an achievement. The illustrations, animations and well paced narration essentially make this equivalent to a thick textbook and many hours of lectures in a classroom setting. Additional kudos for the on screen reference foot notes to to the Electric Code and the bonus GFCI explanation at the end! Thank you for these great videos.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed. The NEC codes were added in for extra info as the last electrical panel video descended into a war zone in the comments section, this should clarify things
@w1swh1
@w1swh1 Жыл бұрын
Yes good job, very clear now. @@EngineeringMindset
@cityguyusa
@cityguyusa Жыл бұрын
Funny that we seem to learn better from video yet classrooms are still book centric. If we had a movie a couple times during the school year when I went to school it was a miracle. Maybe 3 or 4 a year. Maybe the classroom of the future is KZbin. We just need to organize the content.
@w1swh1
@w1swh1 Жыл бұрын
@@cityguyusa Yes I agree!! A video is worth a thousand books lol😊
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@-_.._._--_.-.-_-_-_-...-.- 11 ай бұрын
​@@w1swh1but the video keeps referring to the books, so..... I'm confused now!
@garycornelisse9228
@garycornelisse9228 Жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation I have ever seen on the installation of sub panels and grounding and I have done electrical work for over 50 years.
@frostbite1991
@frostbite1991 Жыл бұрын
After years of asking why you don't bond neutral and ground anywhere outside the main panel and getting the response "because you just don't", I finally understand why. It's all about getting the breaker to trip when it needs to. I can also see why other countries requires GFCI breakers, as you're SOL if you lose service neutral in the majority of US homes. Thanks for making this extremely easy to understand!
@anthonyesposito7
@anthonyesposito7 11 күн бұрын
Its not so much about how you said it but more about the point the the ground would at that point because a parallel return path back to the main panel. That is dangerous.
@itchitrigger8185
@itchitrigger8185 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, very informative. 22 ish years ago when I was a wee young apprentice plumber, I was cutting in an ice maker tee off the main and got whacked off my ladder. I found out latter that they 'lost the neutral'. I was so unsure about what actually happened, that for many years after, I would use jumper cables to jump any main cuts. To this day I keep an ncv wiggy in my tool bag for the occasional 'shocking shower valve'. Thank you again for this great presentation.
@zeddpilsner4
@zeddpilsner4 Жыл бұрын
You have the best explanations on the platform. Please keep doing what you do!
@DanielMcNaughton91
@DanielMcNaughton91 Жыл бұрын
Always wanted to understand why you don't bond ground and neutral in a sub panel. Thanks for the great content!
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Glad to help!
@buentaste
@buentaste Жыл бұрын
I still don't understand. Cau you explain please 🙏 to me? Thanks...
@buentaste
@buentaste Жыл бұрын
@@spotscorner6040 I really appreciate you kindness for answering. I do understand that the ground wire needs to be bonded to the white (neutral) wire in the box panel. What fo not understand is why the su panel is not. Thanks....
@williamrose7818
@williamrose7818 Жыл бұрын
Because the ground cannot be a current carrying conductor, and if you were to lose the neutral in a sub panel, everything would still work through the ground. And like I just said the ground cannot be a current carrying conductor, so that is why we do not bond sub panels.
@DanielMcNaughton91
@DanielMcNaughton91 Жыл бұрын
@@williamrose7818 that explanation was the missing piece for me. Thank you!
@BryanSeigneur0
@BryanSeigneur0 Жыл бұрын
As an American, thank you very much, clearly British Engineering Mindset engineer, for explaining North American residential electricity. I appreciate it continuously as your accent's clear timbre narrates.
@jessemilligan
@jessemilligan Жыл бұрын
This has been explained to me 3-4 times and this is the first time I’ve understood it. Thank you!
@nolanharriott4574
@nolanharriott4574 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Properly explained and I appreciate the correct terminology. I’m an electrician in Canada and we do it the same. The only difference where I am is a grounding electrode is not required for a sub panel if your bonding conductor is sized correctly. Of coarse you always have to check with your local municipality for amendments and technical interpretations to the national code. Every area is different due to things like climate and weather.
@kencarp57
@kencarp57 Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT VIDEO! 👍👍I knew that sub-panels should never be bonded because a fault could cause all metal parts to become electrified. But I didn't know exactly WHY. After I watch this video a DOZEN more times, maybe I will finally understand how it REALLY works...
@StevenKrenz-kv6df
@StevenKrenz-kv6df 2 ай бұрын
I'm going to make sure that all my apprentices watch this video. It is the most cogent explanation of how these wires all work together.
@sherifkaissi4109
@sherifkaissi4109 17 күн бұрын
Thanks! I love the what If scenarios. Helps me understand .
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset 17 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thank you
@jimdean7335
@jimdean7335 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done. Many people don’t understand the ground/ neutral scenerios and you explained it very well.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@michaelbeckerman7532
@michaelbeckerman7532 Жыл бұрын
Easily the single BEST video I have EVER seen on this subject! Really, really well done!
@allentaylor9073
@allentaylor9073 Жыл бұрын
This is I will say the best video I've seen explaining sub panel wiring and faults that could occur if miswired. Good job!
@benchociej2435
@benchociej2435 Жыл бұрын
11:48 this is a ground fault and short circuit. Another possible ground fault is neutral to ground, which is not a short circuit and won't generally trip the overcurrent device. Just another reason why GFCI is important!
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset 2 ай бұрын
We just published a new Ground fault, short circuit and arc fault video, so much detail! Link HERE➡️: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5qTqqGJhtxgrcU
@phenry5083
@phenry5083 Жыл бұрын
Transformers almost always connect to 2 of the 3 phases of primary, other than that this is one of the best and most accurately explained videos I've seen.
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 Жыл бұрын
Is that not how it is always done, I think the video is definitely wrong with regard to the SERVICE HIGH VOLTAGE LINE CONNECTION. Don’t you need to have the high side of the transformer connected BETWEEN two phases so that ALL of the current loops through them and not a transformer ground. Some rural high voltage lines have two lines and not three but I don’t think that one is a neutral but just the other phase!
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
There are a number of ways the transformer might be connected. It's going to vary by region. The one show is the simplest version just a single phase pole mounted type, it will work just fine. This isn't the point of the video so I have not discussed two and three phase connection transformers, just a basic understanding of how it's all connected to the grid so we understand the fault paths.
@phenry5083
@phenry5083 Жыл бұрын
@@EngineeringMindset I was going based off your statement that it typically only connects to one phase. That is incorrect. Although single phase connecting transformers do exist, they aren’t typical. They are the rarest type. They typically connect to 2-3 phases, even for residential.
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 Жыл бұрын
A single phase delta transformer has two bushings connected to two of the three primary wires, so the primary winding sees the phase-to-phase voltage. This avoids returning primary current through a neutral that must be solidly grounded to keep its voltage near earth potential. Since the neutral is also provided to customers, this is a big safety advantage in a dry area like California where soil conductivity is low. The main disadvantage is higher cost, e.g., from needing at least two insulated 'hot' phase wires even on a branch circuit. Other areas that have ground conductivity that is higher can be wired as per video but require a neural return path to the substation. This appears to require a 4 wire system on the primary side (or 2 wire system on 1 phase system) unless the video author suggests that the return current from the line transformer to substation can travel through the “actual ground”! So it is suggested that the provided video diagram is the simplest or a 4 wire system is simpler than a 3 wire primary system. Not too sure that a 4 wire system makes more sense than a 3 wire primary system particularly from an educational perspective. If the suggestion is that the return current can flow through the actual physical ground then that brings up some other safety concerns. The only high voltage distribution system system that I am aware of that has current flowing through the actual physical ground is in HVDC long distance transmission lines. So maybe the youtube author could do a video on the “economic considerations” of why a 4 wire system is preferred over a 3 wire primary system.
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 Жыл бұрын
@@phenry5083 At least what I have seen in California it is typical to connect the primary between 2 phases for a residential “split-phase” service. The other possibility that I have seen in PGE areas is the use of multiple pole transformers feeding a 240v split-phase circuit that is placed below the high voltage lines. This is done to provide redundancy to the lower voltage service circuit but I have seen this cause significant low voltage problems if one of the transformers is nonfunctional.
@brinkmannfilms
@brinkmannfilms Ай бұрын
I work in the TV and film industry and have been learning this as I work more powerful lights. The set lighting technician manual I've been reading prepared me surprisingly well to understand this video and helped me appreciate how well it is made. Excellent video!
@mikefochtman7164
@mikefochtman7164 Ай бұрын
A great explanation. It helps a lot. Whenever I hear the terms 'grounding conductor' and 'grounded conductor', I have to stop and think carefully about the terms. They sound so similar but have very different meaning. I've had many tell me, 'it doesn't matter, they're both connected together anyway.' But here you explain exactly why it DOES matter.
@austinmarius850
@austinmarius850 8 ай бұрын
While I know much if not all of this from watching so so many other videos and studying on my own, this ONE video explains everything so so so so well.. Amazingly well done. The flow of electricity with the dotted lines is critical in helping people understand how this all works. SO much great info in one single place. WOW!
@veteranveteran9915
@veteranveteran9915 Жыл бұрын
Finally somebody has a proper video with no crazy loud music dancing clowns shaky cameras or weird stuff going on. Just excellent illustration perfect explanation and detailed video work thank you so much I just subscribed❤❤❤
@dougthornton6884
@dougthornton6884 Жыл бұрын
Spot on !!! Licensed master electrician of 40 years in NY Thanx for excellent vids....
@jimsubtle886
@jimsubtle886 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done mate! I wish you could have included some "in-the-field" multi-meter readings of this going wrong in the wild on bad installations. Great job Mr Mindset
@misugijun
@misugijun Жыл бұрын
omg this is a gold level video on this topic. there are few things i couldn't get but i'll watch again to try to understand them. Thank you very much for this much detailed and easy to understand step by step telling
@DavidLewisJedi
@DavidLewisJedi Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of great electrical basics videos on YT, but by far, you've explained these concepts so well, and along with the fantastic graphics, made these concepts very well articulated. Thank you for producing these amazing videos and keep up the good work!!
@privacyvalued4134
@privacyvalued4134 Жыл бұрын
The Engineering Mindset drinking game: "Bus bar."
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good excuse to drink
@slateslavens
@slateslavens Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I need to revisit the 110 "Shore" service panel in my bus conversion motorhome. The "Main" panels in RVs are technically sub panels and I need to make sure mine is right. I knew this when I wired it and knew about the special considerations for the neutral and ground bus bars, but I didn't know _why._ Now that I do, it all makes sense.
@matthewprather7386
@matthewprather7386 Ай бұрын
Pause during the key moments which highlight the main concepts so that viewers can think through the points themselves. KZbin is great because people can pause the videos at these key points but many people won’t do that and so may miss some things. Otherwise, excellent video! Clear graphics and comprehensive coverage of the concepts!
@player101snoop
@player101snoop 10 ай бұрын
Wow, what a great video. I have read through dozens of explanations of setting up panels and have felt like I was getting conflicting explanations. Your video put it all together and it now makes complete sense. Thank you!
@ConradSlater-d2i
@ConradSlater-d2i Жыл бұрын
The best and most illustrative explanation I have seen!. Wow! The detail, the graphics, the NEC references, the accent! Great video.
@brianedwards231
@brianedwards231 Жыл бұрын
A great explanation that I have shared with my son who is new home owner as he tries to understand basic electricity.
@brynmrsh
@brynmrsh 5 ай бұрын
You need to share this with my old electrical circuits engineering professor. The majority of those who teach circuits don't understand how panels are wired or how circuit logic works.
@rhtcguru
@rhtcguru Жыл бұрын
This is by far the best explanation I have ever seen. Great job
@chadportenga7858
@chadportenga7858 5 ай бұрын
Finally, a video that explains the WHY of bonded neutral-ground connections! Thank you!
@pausaniasofithaca6325
@pausaniasofithaca6325 2 ай бұрын
Such a helpful video, thanks! This is a great resource while I plan to add electrical conduit and receptacles to my new garage workshop. I had a subpanel professionally installed but wanted to DIY the rest and I feel I've got a much better understanding now. I appreciate how much introductory information you covered, and how concisely it was presented, to give context to the main question in the video title :) Your diagrams illustrated what was being narrated perfectly. The NEC citations were helpful, too!
@jurgenskrause
@jurgenskrause Жыл бұрын
These videos are an amazing training resource. I would love to see similar ones for European standars!
@jeffb6276
@jeffb6276 10 ай бұрын
My brain still can't quite grasp why what happens when you do it wrong- but you helped me understand how to do it right and how to not do it wrong and that's what counts. Thank you 😊
@wfrencher80
@wfrencher80 Жыл бұрын
Very good video, and as an electrician myself I appreciate the NEC code references. A couple of things. 1) At time 13:00 where you talk about "double bonded ground fault condition", NEC reference 250.6 talks about "objectionable current" which is essentially what you're explaining when the installer mistakenly bonds the neutral and grounds in both the main and sub panels. It would be helpful to add that reference. 2) At time 10:50, you're code reference is incorrect. Im assuming this was just a typo on your end. You meant to reference 250.24(A)(5) which prohibits the grounded (neutral) conductor to be bonded to the equipment grounding conductor(s). But awesome video. Thank you for making it.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Good points too. For the NEC codes I have just written the article number and the section number rather than the sub points within that section simply because I think it's important the viewer reads that entire section and not just the sub point else they will miss vital information.
@wfrencher80
@wfrencher80 Жыл бұрын
Yes that makes sense, and I do agree it's more important the audience doesn't get lost in the weeds. Whenever I have to explain electrical concepts to my customers I try to keep my explanation simple and easy to understand.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset 2 ай бұрын
We just published a new Ground fault, short circuit and arc fault video, so much detail! Link HERE➡️: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5qTqqGJhtxgrcU
@omasback
@omasback Жыл бұрын
I think there's an error here: 13:24 the ground fault current will travel on the metal raceway even if you don't bond the ground and neutral in the subpanel, because the subpanel ground bus bar is bonded to the panel chassis via the screws that attach it to the chassis. The reason that you don't bond ground and neutral in the subpanel is to prevent the ground wire from carrying return current from the subpanel to the main panel during normal operation.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Notice at 13:07 it states "equivalent path shown for simplicity" as it's difficult to animate current through the case.
@omasback
@omasback Жыл бұрын
@@EngineeringMindset Yeah I get that. I just don't understand why you said "if there's a metal raceway between panels, the current will flow on this also" as a result of ground and neutral being bonded in the sub panel. Current will flow on the raceway whether or not ground and neutral are bonded, because the ground bus bars are bonded to the frames of both panels. And the thing about a human carrying current between panels is also possible even without bonding ground and neutral in the subpanel, for the same reason. See @rustediron4062 and @cornpop7805 comments for basically the same objection, worded differently.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset 2 ай бұрын
We just published a new Ground fault, short circuit and arc fault video, so much detail! Link HERE➡️: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5qTqqGJhtxgrcU
@XRustedIronX
@XRustedIronX Жыл бұрын
12:58 - 13:47 I need further explanation. The ground bus on the sub panel is already connected to the sub pannel box right? so wouldn't current from a fault flow through that metal raceway and potentially through you if you bridged the two boxes regardless of the neutral bus being connected in the sub pannel? If the ground bus is not connected to the sub pannel box, then how would a fault on that box trip the breaker? I can understand why you wouldn't want them connected during regular operation; (no fault) because in that case the ground wires and the pannel boxes would act as an exposed neutral line but I don't understand why it matters durring a fault.
@GeronimoChannel
@GeronimoChannel 8 ай бұрын
@rustediron4062 That’s been driving me crazy but reading your comment I think that’s the answer. I think in regular operation you would be safe by touching the two panels (when properly connected). At ground fault it wouldn’t matter how they’re connected you’d still may get some current. At least that’s what I think. Did you find any answers?
@Hoaxiin
@Hoaxiin 8 ай бұрын
⁠@@GeronimoChannel so if everything is connected properly the breaker will trip almost instantly from a ground fault which essentially makes the risk of touching both during a fault negligible. If bonded in both places it makes it so during normal operation the ground wire has a path for current to travel which is not supposed to have current for any other reason than during a fault.
@GeronimoChannel
@GeronimoChannel 8 ай бұрын
@@Hoaxiin i see. Thanks!
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset 2 ай бұрын
We just published a new Ground fault, short circuit and arc fault video, so much detail! Link HERE➡️: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5qTqqGJhtxgrcU
@martinfocazio
@martinfocazio 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for this, extremely useful. It made it clear that my outbuilding sub-panel was incorrectly grounded, which I suspected, and why that needed to be corrected immediately. Excellent work.
@Z901Z
@Z901Z Жыл бұрын
The King of Building services videos!!!
@BoilersRock
@BoilersRock Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video, and the segue into your sponsor's ad starting around 7:35 was about as smooth a placement as I've ever seen :)
@donaldp9259
@donaldp9259 Жыл бұрын
Finally. A clear and coherent explanation delivered in a way that even I can understand it!
@GreenEarth140
@GreenEarth140 22 күн бұрын
Just stumbled upon your YT Channel. EXCELLENT VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF YOUR MATERIAL !!!!! THEBEST I"VE SEEN !!!! I help my youngest Son occasionally , he's a RED SEAL JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICIAN here in Canada. He explains things to me , however , they do not stay with me or he totally loses me with his explanation. You've simplified details with this video and , thus , I am eternally grateful for it. I will indeed watch all of your video's. Great , great educational channel. Thank you.
@bryanfuentes1452
@bryanfuentes1452 Жыл бұрын
@12:57 When bonding the subpanel, it is true that parallel paths occur during ground fault but its not a big deal since it is shorted and therefore will happen only momentarily. The real problem is during a normal condition. The current will still flow in the two paths and also through the enclosure.
@chrisbolin2478
@chrisbolin2478 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree what he said was incorrect and that the breaker would do its job. After I posted my comment I scrolled through the comments to see if anybody caught it.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset 2 ай бұрын
We just published a new Ground fault, short circuit and arc fault video, so much detail! Link HERE➡️: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5qTqqGJhtxgrcU
@pochuanhsing2466
@pochuanhsing2466 Жыл бұрын
Thanks It's a great explanation to this topic. The best one i have seen. I wish i had seen it early then I would have saved some money on installing a sub panel by myself. We ended up hiring one electrician for 1K.
@0blivioniox864
@0blivioniox864 Жыл бұрын
Thank you man... This is the best-explained answer to this question I've ever found since this question began plaguing my mind.
@kevinluna8411
@kevinluna8411 Жыл бұрын
Would like to see a video of yours explaining the differences between the American and European electrical systems in detail. Great video as always!
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@jesserawson898
@jesserawson898 Жыл бұрын
@@EngineeringMindset As would making it clear at the beginning of the video the region of the world being discussed. I assume your discussion applies to the Americas and not Europe.
@gruntpup8152
@gruntpup8152 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic breakdown! I really you appreciate citing the NEC so I could follow along. I understand grounding and bonding but know I feel that I can explain it. Thank you.
@garza1367
@garza1367 Жыл бұрын
Wow! The detail, the graphics, the NEC references, the accent! Great video
@T.E.P..
@T.E.P.. Жыл бұрын
It's been a huge delight and learning experience being subbed .... one of the few channels I ring the bell for notifications .... Hope 2023 has been a perfect year for you and those you love.
@hugoluna9949
@hugoluna9949 Жыл бұрын
As an individual learning with minimal (non existent) guidance from the company I work for. Thank you sir for your concise explanation.
@alifarahani764
@alifarahani764 3 ай бұрын
Great explanation. I now understand after so many years. Keep up the good work.
@marcfruchtman9473
@marcfruchtman9473 Жыл бұрын
Amazing! This is the best explanation with animations that I have ever seen. Not only that, you provided the perfect explanation of why an EGC (proper bonding) is required and also how a grounding electrode by itself is not adequate! Additionally the explanation for the GFCI was great! Thank you very much for making this video.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@metrotechguru5863
@metrotechguru5863 Жыл бұрын
This was an excellent explanation of the subject. This is the most detailed and understandable presentation on U.S. electrical systems I have come across.
@RezaJones
@RezaJones 9 ай бұрын
This is a very clear and thorough explanation of this question. Well done!
@LLL2382
@LLL2382 Жыл бұрын
Am going to watch this video over and over until I understand every scenario. Thanks TEM
@oBseSsIoNPC
@oBseSsIoNPC 4 ай бұрын
I notice that a lot of comments, from what sounds like veteran electricians, are very often along the lines of: "I did it for 20 years and not know why, I was just taught not to" or "nobody ever explained it as simple as this for me to understand" or "I just did it out of habit, never bothered to ask why". It's mind boggling to me, that there are professions in which training and education simply convey the "what" and "how", but not the "why". As mechanic, the "why" is the reason how I got REALLY good at diagnostics and repairs. Especially in those cases where someone did something that causes a problem, looks right, but isn't. Fixing things a way that will work, but isn't safe or the proper procedure to ensure a lasting piece of equipment, bypassing, rather than fixing the root cause.
@rustyray420
@rustyray420 Ай бұрын
You learn it in school, they probably didn't pay attention and never ever bothered to actually learn it on their own. Makes me wonder how they ever got any work done not understanding the basics of electrical circuits. We learned this stuff in electrical theory 1
@gthree0239
@gthree0239 Жыл бұрын
I have seen so many arguments in electrician Facebook groups about this subject. If anyone asks why they sure told they know nothing and they need to hire an electrician. It’s hilarious to be honest. This video explains everything that they refused (or perhaps couldn’t properly explain) to explain. Thank you so very much, I’m going to need to watch it a couple times to fully understand it but the graphics were great additions to help understand it. It also explained things that I didn’t even think to wonder about. Like the gfci outlets and the variations on how electricity can be brought into a home.
@patterrr
@patterrr Жыл бұрын
This video is so incredibly clear and the animations do a great job of further describing the dialog. Excellent resource, thank you for creating!
@tytyguy1able
@tytyguy1able Жыл бұрын
Literally it was this video that provided the lightbulb moment I needed to finish my solar installation. Thanks g!
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@markwebster8371
@markwebster8371 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for using your sponsorship to explain how information is being geolocation controlled.
@DarnieeW
@DarnieeW Жыл бұрын
Thanks! the visualization with the audio commentary really helped me understand this a lot more.
@brianwood5220
@brianwood5220 Жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. I've never worked on the US. Electrical system Only the UK. But I thought you explained that extremely well. I understood it with no problem whatsoever, It must have taken you a long time to put this together, but I do appreciate your efforts so. thanks for sharing.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Brian. This video took a long time to make indeed. I will cover other systems in detail too. The Norwegians have a strange setup that would be interesting to cover.
@brianwood5220
@brianwood5220 Жыл бұрын
@@EngineeringMindset Looking forward to seeing that!
@JakkeJakobsen
@JakkeJakobsen Жыл бұрын
​@@EngineeringMindset🇳🇴🥳 please do!
@kevinkohut5096
@kevinkohut5096 26 күн бұрын
One of the best segues into an ad I've ever seen!
@imprezagtr
@imprezagtr Жыл бұрын
The explanation + animation really helps! Thank you!
@natep1661
@natep1661 6 ай бұрын
This is a fantastic lesson. Love the illustrations, love the "what if's"! Absolute best video for the topic!
@C4boxingsports
@C4boxingsports 7 ай бұрын
What a great video you went all the way to the nitty gritty... This will automatically go on my electrical playlist for KZbin
@jleongu1
@jleongu1 3 күн бұрын
Absolutely love your content. Specifically, the visual aids and your ability to teach in a clear and concise way! Thanks and keep up the good work!
@TedTedness-wu4vb
@TedTedness-wu4vb 11 ай бұрын
BEST explanation I have ever seen or heard. Bar none!!!! Well done Sir.
@evilcraig359
@evilcraig359 9 ай бұрын
Our inspector does not allow a ground rod on a sub panel, he said all grounds must run thru the main disconnect. I argued about it, but HE is the man.
@jeffmills4103
@jeffmills4103 2 ай бұрын
I believe a rod at the main and also at the sub would create a current loop. the shield in process control inputs are only grounded in the control cabinet and left unconnected at the process sensor input to prevent a current loop between the control cabinet and the field sensor. A current loop would add noise in the input.
@paulandreotto7266
@paulandreotto7266 15 күн бұрын
The inspector is correct. A separately derived ground would allow voltage to go to earth ground before it gets back to the main panel. I'm not sure why it's depicted in this video, but I believe it to be incorrect for the US at least.
@azarellediaz4892
@azarellediaz4892 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this simple and straightforward explanation. Now, I use a portable sub-panel which I use to run my VFD, welders and portable lights. Should the wiring be as if it was wall mounted?
@johnlehew8192
@johnlehew8192 Жыл бұрын
Wow, the title doesn’t do this awesome video Justice! Try this… ‘How sub-panels really work and why, why, why GFI’ add 1 min more on GFI and talk about the arc fault breakers for 1 min. I was shocked at how good this was! :)
@Pharmer_Mike
@Pharmer_Mike 8 ай бұрын
Phenomenal video! Have done a bit of electrical work with my father on our Farm in the past and now do a little here and there and this video succinctly gives a great overview of concepts important for working knowledge!
@k1ng5urfer
@k1ng5urfer Жыл бұрын
Brilliant mate. absolutely brilliant. I have struggled to explain this to people more times than i can count. Gonna save me so much time haha! I run into one or more of the various netural or ground issues presented here on about 50% of all the properties. Even worse odds in some areas 😂😂😂
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@castarmax1970
@castarmax1970 Жыл бұрын
Although the first 75% of this video has nothing to do with the topic it does has a lot to offer. You are indeed close but no cigar. The moment either phase hits the ground regardless of neutral the dead short will trip the breaker. 100% correct about the return path carrying current to the equipment through the bond.
@MrNoobed
@MrNoobed Жыл бұрын
I did buried wire locating for awhile and it really made me figure out grounding. I was always disappointed when no one else understood...
@scso1502
@scso1502 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. There are a wide variety of service and panel scenarios and because of the way your video explains things, its principles can be applied to virtually any panel scenario I can think of. I really appreciate the thought that went into the video and how things were explained so perfectly! THANK YOU!
@lrayvick
@lrayvick 7 ай бұрын
Exception! I am going to go out on a limb and say there is one exception to the rule - you should bond the neutral and ground in a subpanel where there is a gounding system at the subpanel and there is none at the main panel.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Жыл бұрын
I'll have to watch this again. There is good info here that didn't sink in far enough.
@fillemptytummy
@fillemptytummy Жыл бұрын
I need to watch it again at a lower speed. 😅
@buentaste
@buentaste Жыл бұрын
Me 2 bro.. need to watch it many times...
@jamess1787
@jamess1787 Жыл бұрын
You did a phenomenal job explaining trunk/branch electrical. Cheers! 🍻
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@VivekSuyal12345
@VivekSuyal12345 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see that you're now able to make new videos
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Have for months now
@VivekSuyal12345
@VivekSuyal12345 Жыл бұрын
Nice 👍👍👏👏😊😊
@davidmorgan8612
@davidmorgan8612 Жыл бұрын
I came for the title not the Unnecessary info in the first quarter of the video, it’s all basic electrical info on how electricity gets to your house that most everyone watching this already knows. I will say that these videos are presented very well and thank you.
@ericharrelson2045
@ericharrelson2045 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I've seen on the topic; very good.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that!
@Zenkai76
@Zenkai76 7 ай бұрын
I think my former home owners did their own sub panel next to the main one in the basement, I figure this because there were 20 amp breakers on 14ga wire. Thank you for this now I can check to make sure they wired the sub panel correctly.
@richardaristegui8930
@richardaristegui8930 Жыл бұрын
I really loved you video and how you broke everything down into simple terms. I Just wanted to let you know though. At lease in my area, the power companies and inspectors require the grounded wire coming from the grounding electrode to go straight the the primary connections in the meter located in the sealed power company compartment in the case of a meter disconnect or meter panel combo. not to the electrical panels shown on multiple occasions in your video. Sorry to bring this up but it is an important distinction. Hope this helps. I know it will definitely help someone pass inspection if they are installing a new service or repairing an existing service.
@loozer72
@loozer72 5 ай бұрын
A+ on the illustrations - my dad was an electrician and i learned much of what i know about writing from him, but his explanations were nowhere near this clear
@mazdaland9627
@mazdaland9627 Ай бұрын
Excellent Video and the graphics Really help to show the current flow. I am going to have this added to my technicians study materials! Thank You
@barrethendricks9174
@barrethendricks9174 11 күн бұрын
Might not be two code anymore, but what about a subpanel (in a separate building) with a 3-wire connection to the main? Is it safe and should ground and neutral still be separated? I have an existing garage (built 30 years ago) with 3 wires from the main panel; two hot and a neutral, NO GROUND WIRE from the main panel. The building is grounded separately and there are no other metal connections like pipes between the house and the garage. The existing panel currently has ground and neutral on the same bars. Seems like this would be resulting in current through the subpanel's ground wire.
@EricJohnson-dr5wb
@EricJohnson-dr5wb 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for explaining at 13:30 how a person could get shocked by the parallel return paths.
@johndoe123xyz
@johndoe123xyz Жыл бұрын
11:50 will current not also flow in the metal casing here? Thr ground bus bar in the sub panel is connected to the metal casing, the neutral is connected to the metal casing in the main panel, the two metal casing are connected via the feeder conduit, so wouldn't current be able to flow through the casings to the bonding jumper to neutral?
@carultch
@carultch 9 ай бұрын
During fault conditions, yes. The casing and grounding wire will share the parallel current. But, during normal circumstances, no. The current is limited to the live and neutral wires. Since current needs a closed loop path to flow, a dead-end bond between neutral and ground will not sustainably allow current to flow between neutral and ground. A little current flows during the first second when they are achieving electrostatic equilibrium, but no current flows continuously thereafter.
@quagmyer7230
@quagmyer7230 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, I,wired a sub panel for a solar system to run some of the circuits like, well, sewer lift station, refrigerators and a few outlets for back up and had a hard time finding the answer to my questions, this video did it with ease.
@EngineeringMindset
@EngineeringMindset Жыл бұрын
Seen our new video on HOW SOLAR PANELS WORK in detail kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6nXaGWXec95nbs
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