Electrolux Assistent DLX N28 making bagel dough

This shows my Electrolux Assistent (sic) mixer preparing Peter Reinhart's bagel dough. This is a 55% hydration dough that is beyond most other mixers-if you're watching this it's because you know that, because you know how difficult this dough is to work with, because you want to see if there's anything out there that will handle it.
There is. The Electrolux does a beautiful job with bagel dough. Note that I'm using the roller attachment, not the dough hook. The dough hook actually doesn't work as well.
This is a complete video, start to finish, unedited. I could've edited it, spliced it at 1-minute or 5-minute intervals, but (1) that would take time, and (2) I figure you, gentle viewer, can do your own fast-forwarding.
Time 0:00 shows the sponge after it has risen two hours. I add malt powder, flour, salt, yeast, and let the mixer do its thing. At 06:04 I adjust the knob on the roller thingy to make it bounce less. (It's usually necessary to adjust it once or twice during the kneading. Other than that, there is no involvement on my part.) By 08:00 the dough has come together nicely but is still lumpy; the kneading time from then until 16:00 serves to soften the dough.
Note that this mixing process does not heat the dough. Dough remains at room temperature. (For comparison: a very nice Italian mixer I've tried does a great job in only 10 minutes but leaves the dough at about 93⁰F.)
In short: I love this mixer.
Enjoy. I hope this helps someone.

[@vicpatrdge5552]

Thank you for the video! My assistant is on the way. My KA absolutely cannot handle bread making without overheating. Appreciate your video! Thanks!

[@TheTrycehyman]

Same thing. I just blew out my fourth KA in five years. No more. My Assistent arrived this afternoon.

[@daverobynedell6147]

Thank you very much for posting this example of dough kneading with the Assistent. It was very helpful!

[@shanibarnea]

I have been a devoted Kenwood user for years - I still have two mixers that my mother bought 50 and 30 years ago and they work perfectly! The problem is that I am an avid bread maker and the newer Kenwood's just don't have the strength - a new 3 year old machine just died after its 2nd repair. I think I'm going to try this machine! Thanks a lot for the video!

[@HotVoodooWitch]

I know someone, a master baker, who relocated here from Switzerland with her beloved Kenwood; I think she recently replaced it. She mostly does cakes, so I don't think hers will have to work so hard but the one she brought here had served her well for many years. This machine ROCKS. I waited years to be able to afford it (even though it's overkill for me) and since buying mine a few months ago, I've bought two to give as gifts, and another friend just ordered one yesterday. My cousin and my friend (the recipients) LOVE theirs, which helped push my other friend's decision to bite the bullet.

[@sashineb.2114]

Sorry to hear that about your Kenwood. It's pretty bad to have two repairs for such a young mixer. I was thinking of getting the Titanium 7-quart. Usually, they get very good reviews.

[@feelingeverfine]

I have never seen a roller but this was very pleasing to watch!

[@valerieschluger]

The dough looks amazing. I have a Ank DLX Assistent but it does have the dough hook. Thank you for sharing.😃

[@Vanessam17]

Gracias por la demostración, voy a intentarlo

[@mspeir]

I admit that I skipped ahead several times. Watching dough being kneaded in real time is like watching a time lapse of grass growing! :D (I love to bake bread and garden, so this analogy has double meaning for me!) That being said, I am really impressed! I have got to get me one of these contraptions. It's a shame that they are $800! :(

[@johnnyjimj]

Hopefully by now you got yourself one for a better price? Found my Electrolux Assistent N4 from 1957 for $80 complete on kijiji... Just like the video, it does take more time than other types of mixers but works very well indeed :-)

[@luisenriqueguerrero8632]

Es bueno ayudar a los usuarios como arreglar el asistente por un mismo . Remplazo de piezas y otros GRACIAS por la atención . Es bueno.

[@mam2szczury]

Thank you very much. I have model N7 and just ordered a hook for making bagel dough, but it seems that the roller will be enough.

[@nikkiblum8657]

Peter Reinhart's recipe calls for adding additional yeast, flour and diastatic malt to the preferment. I didn't see that in the video. When exactly were those ingredients added. When I added them, after first mixing and rising the preferment in the Ankarsrum bowl, I got big lumps in the final dough that NEVER smoothed out.

[@maricruzjimenezverdu9457]

Megustaria saver más función de la amasadora

[@darwinjesusnavafinol6641]

I like. But I don't understand english. Podrias ponerlo en español? Se q yo podria poner el traductor pero nunca es exacto. Y gracias, ahora se q puedo hacer mis panes en el ayudante de cocina.

[@elsyyepez3404]

Muy buena demostración!!! Qué cantidades de material usaste ?

La masa inicial es medio kilo de harina de pan, medio kilo de agua. Al 1:15 le añado otro medio kilo de harina.

[@elsyyepez3404]

@ gracias, muy amable. 👍

[@gbluetoo]

I'm guessing you haven't used the Assistent, otherwise you'd know that the roller is squeezing the dough similarly to what your fingers would do. The scraper turns the dough a bit each revolution. As the dough develops, it is held by the scraper, and the dough is _not_ being dragged along the bottom, it is being twisted and pulled much like a taffy machine does. There is minimal friction heating with this mixer. The Assistent's kneading action is more like a spiral mixer's than home machines'.

[@maricruzjimenezverdu9457]

Quisiera más informacion

[@vickyburton2434]

The arm is not suppose to rock back and forth. It should be tightened with enough room to allow dough to gently be pushed through.

[@cesarabrahammarqueztorres6894]

Cuanta masa se puede amasar?

Eso es poco mas de un kilo. Me imagino que pueda manejar mas, pero nunca lo he intentado.

[@silnieves]

Have you tried doing this bagel recipe in the kitchenaid? I have a pro 600 but looking to invest in the Ankarsrum mixer for bread making only, but wondered if the KA can handle the bagel dough at all?

I have a Kitchenaid, model is KSM90. It's not a high-end one. Yes, I've tried this bagel dough with it; once. Or, part of once. It was not even close to strong enough to handle the dough; I had to finish by hand.

[@silnieves]

Eduardo Santiago thanks for replying I did the bagels this morning and now they’re in the fridge for tomorrow and yes I also had to finish by hand the motor was starting to get hot and smelly I’m definitely going to invest in the ankarsrum for bagels and other breads

[@samyz9980]

@@silnieves Hi Silni🤗please let me know if you'll buy this one..I'm really interesting about results,cause I want to buy the same one.. Have a nice day🙏💕

[@silnieves]

samy z I did buy one and already made a batch of bagels and bread there’s a bit of a learning curve though but not hard. The quality is definitely there and worth the price

[@B3LLA_C03L]

Does this one have flat beater ?

I don't know what you mean by flat beater; see here for attachments (note that the product name seems to have changed): pleasanthillgrain.com/accessories-ankarsrum-magic-mill-dlx-mixer-attachments

[@heliojose4461]

Hola una pregunta cuánto kilos de masa puede amasar

Buena pregunta! En el video es poco más de un kilo. Nunca he tratado más.

[@1873Winchester]

I could buy one of these for 50€ now, it's from the 80s so if anything it'll be more durable than my 2009 Kenwood which has a messed up speed control.

[@sashineb.2114]

May I ask which model Kenwood you have? I'm thinking of getting a Titanium 7 quart. Thanks.

[@karinalunaguarneros5175]

Hola. Busco quien me reparé mi asistente. Es solo las banda de caucho que no encuentro. Ayuda

Buena suerte! Siento no poder ayudarle.

[@nixonsoto4292]

Aquí en Venezuela estado Zulia venden ésas bandas.

[@johnnyjimj]

What happened to the sound?

JohnnyJim J I didn't record with sound, it didn't contribute anything to the video. The mixer is quiet relative to a Kitchenaid.

[@johnnyjimj]

Eduardo, thank you for your answer! I was looking forward to hearing the sound of the motor because it can tell a lot about power and mechanical quality, and because there is precious little known about this machine in North America, especially vintage models. The thing is, I'm looking into getting what I believe to be an N4 from 60s and anything I can learn about this machine will help me decide whether I should take the plunge or not, because the seller is NOT giving it away and for a good reason, it comes with a grinder, a shredder a juicer and sausage stuffer. How long have you had yours and how often do you use it? Would be be suitable for making 4 loaves of bread (2kg of whole wheat dough) at a time every couple of days? Can it do other things besides dough? What do you think of the attachments? What should I be looking for in a model as old as the N4, are parts still available? Thanks again, your opinion is precious to me :-)

Hi! Mine is from circa 2011; it may be very different from a 1960s one. To try to answer your questions: I think this is a workhorse. I haven't baked much in the last few months, but when I make bagels it has always run smoothly. Bagel dough is by far the toughest, densest dough I've ever worked with, and is in fact the sole reason I bought this machine. I don't actually use it for anything else, I'm happy with my Kitchenaid for other breads and cake batters and meringue. So I'm really not able to answer about the Assistent's usefulness for anything other than heavy bread doughs. I'm sorry not to be more helpful. Good luck with your decision!

[@johnnyjimj]

Eduardo, thank you again. I have no doubt from its design and its origin that it was built to last. Not that I really need it, my Kitchenaid Professional 6000 HD can knead more batter that I can possibly bake at a time, but I really like the funky design and the accessories it comes with, plus the fact it's from the 1960s, pretty much at the peak in of kitchen appliance design and durability :-)

[@johnnyjimj]

So I did make the plunge and have had my 1957 Electrolux Assistent model N4 for several months now and have pretty much put the KitchenaAid 6000 HD aside for making bread, it just can't hold a candle to the Assistent :-) Done a 7 pound 60% AR whole wheat dough batch lately ,no problem, hardly slowed down at all, it really is that good. You just need to learn how to set the roller at the proper distance depending on the amount of dough and use proper mixing order (water first, flour later) and you're good to go :-)

[@gabak1292]

Funny, lost the dough hook? :)

[@supermars5551]

dough hook is better then roller

[@Russellkhan]

The dough hook is great, but for low hydration doughs like this, you're better off with the roller and scraper.

[@Smirnoff44]

Глеб Каван no it isn't I'm sorry your wrong

[@gbluetoo]

Why would I talk about the price? You didn't, unless you refer to the asinine fan motor and spatula comment. No, I didn't invest in a name, I bought the quality which gives this machine its name. If you want a $50 piece of trash, go for it.

[@lwblack64]

Maybe, but your message in now way addressed the cost issue. Lower the cost to about 50 bucks and I might consider it. Otherwise, you are investing into a name and not so much the product...

[@HotVoodooWitch]

Oh, for pete's sake, this is made in Sweden where people earn real wages, not in China. In addition, it doesn't ship to the U.S. for free and the vendors have to make some money.

[@Jolene8]

Way too much flour. There was not enough mixing time to develop gluten before dough was formed into a ball. This means not enough hydration so the bread would have been dry even during proving and hard and tasteless after baking... instructions should always be followed for machine.

[@lwblack64]

Cost has absolutely nothing to do with quality but what it has to do with what people are willing to pay. And if this trash was priced what it is really valued at, then I would pay the 50 bucks. Otherwise, it is overpriced trash.

[@HotVoodooWitch]

I know someone who has been using the previous model for the last 19 years. Pretty robust "trash."