Elisa Lam’s ODD Body Language Finally Explained - Was This Missed By Police & Netflix? - Cecil Hotel

[@DerekVanSchaik]

What do you think actually happened to Elisa Lam?

[@emarskineel]

Drug induced suicide, pretty obvious

[@Chloe-ul3vd]

@@CLAYTERRACOTTA obviously she died 🙄 he’s asking what we think happened to cause her death in the first place.

[@cammac2753]

It's very difficult to say for sure, but I kinda believe someone put her in the water tank

[@CLAYTERRACOTTA]

@@Chloe-ul3vd She died of death.

[@swaggerish]

She was stalked and murdered...

[@Teddifer]

Can we talk about how someone saw some discolored water and still drank it.

[@montsergirl]

And why didn’t the cops in the helicopter see the freakin lid open on the water tanks?! I feel like that’s a no brainer area to search!

[@annikaseidl9492]

@@montsergirl they only used the helicopter to light the way for the police dogs... they never took the dogs near the tanks, so there's a good chance they didn't even bother to look that direction 😣

[@montsergirl]

@@annikaseidl9492 oh shit I really thought they used the helicopter to search the rooftop and with the dogs. This all is so heartbreaking.

[@meoueo]

YEA

[@annikaseidl9492]

@@BM-pf6gl maybe you misunderstood me 😄 The police guided the dogs to search for her scent and they requested for helicopters to light the way. So they'd go search a spot with the dogs and the helicopters were there as a light source. Hope that helps 😊

[@trevorlawrence2119]

You explained it very well. She was clearly hallucinating. Her hostel mates were complaining about her odd behavior and her sister confirmed that it wasn’t her first time hallucinating. She seemed terrified and confused. Poor girl.

[@anonomouswisdom5246]

It’s supernatural my boy, Here’s the missing elevator video they forgot to show us kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZnaY3Wqg91-gq8 @15:45

[@lisaprilia3604]

But how did she end up in the water tank

[@trevorlawrence2119]

@@lisaprilia3604 she went in the water tank to hide from whatever she was seeing.

[@bradtravis2440]

The hatch was way too heavy for her, and even if she managed to somehow lift it, it would have been impossible to close it behind her once she got in

[@dorseytv9450]

@@anonomouswisdom5246 bro wtf that was fucking terrifying do u know why it's unreleased

[@smileplease_91]

I like how you talk about this professionally and with empathy. It's tragic what happened to her, and even after all these years, I still come back to her story from time to time.

[@jacobmck4312]

It wasn’t that long ago

[@MamaPinks]

I'm the same, I'll revisit this case occasionally, and this time it all make some much more sense of her behavior! Yes, he is very compassionate with out sensationalizing it. I love this channel!

[@addie_is_me]

It’s true even though he laughs at something stupid or jokes, he still never disrespects the seriousness of the crime or the victims. Both aspects are done well. I hope he’s not all big headed because so many people like him. Lol

[@knoxx1111]

@Hudson Hamman I still revisit the Tate/LaBianca case frequently and that happened in 69! Decades before I was born lol.

[@skullfrog3439]

Omg 666 likes

[@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701]

Imagine being the family and this video being the last footage of your daughter in her most vulnerable state. I can’t imagine what they went through, may she Rest In Peace

[@ellaova]

It's not that strange. She's trying to activate a door sensor to get the elevator doors to close. The 'square dance' and the 'weird hand movements' are just attempts to motion activate the doors shut. I used to work at a cafe that had a sensor directly above the doorway to open the sliding glass doors. Whenever they wouldn't open immediately I'd wave my hands toward the sensor to trip the detector. Now I do it everywhere with automatic doors just out of habit and I see people looking at me, thinking I'm crazy, not realising I'm negotiating the automation sensors.

[@ellaova]

When traffic lights take too long to change we all try to shift our car a little forward or backwards to activate the sensor. It's the same theory she's employed on the elevator doors.

[@ellaova]

People with mental-health issues are always treated without respect and dismissed. Once one has a diagnosis with psychotic elements EVERY behaviour is interpreted as 'crazy' despite an overwhelmingly obvious, logical explanation to the contrary.

[@ginger7344]

You pointing out that if she had not hit the open door button, things could very possibly have been different, is so gut wrenching.

[@aveleedeleon7694]

I think she knew she pressed the elevator open button. The whole thing seems like she’s playing around. If someone were after her or watching her she wouldn’t pop out of the elevator and stand in the hallway. She’s be frantically pressing the close elevator button and hiding as far and as can smoosh her body in the corner of that elevator in absolute abject fear. She didn’t look afraid to me. She seemed more like putting on a show. Something was just off.

[@ginger7344]

I think possibly she thought someone outside of the elevator must have pushed the button to cause the door to begin to close then reopen

[@loverdover6143]

@@ginger7344 EXACTLY!!

[@tshirt9]

Something about this story gives me the creeps like legitimately worries me

[@calimango7926]

Yeah, I couldn't even finish watching the special on Netflix. It made me sick.

[@tshirt9]

@@calimango7926 I’m not scared easily but the way she’s acting creeps me tf out. Even scared/delusional people don’t end up in water tanks. Reminds me of the guy in Unsolved Mysteries that jumped off a hotel into an abandoned building, but his cell phone and glasses were next to the hole in the roof without a scratch on them.

[@dimsummm]

@@tshirt9 yes i just watched that documentary a few days ago all of this is so bizarre and unexplained, not enough proof to lead into anything certain

[@emberlightss]

glad im not the only one

[@cyb3rz4ngel]

@@emberlightss the fact that it’s been 6+ years and nobody rlly knows anything is also very terrifying...

[@ae6248]

a better breakdown of this footage than the entire netflix documentary

[@ericaonline3739]

Now I'll have to watch the documentary!

[@whydoiexist7029]

The doc was good, the whole doc wasn’t based on the video

[@ade18lore12]

the people from the documentary were so sketchy i really believe they covered some things. i am still convinced there is more to the story

[@dxndelionss3065]

IKR like wtf-

[@c.i.a6933]

@Errrbody Drankz what is it called

[@julezmmm]

This is so heartbreaking. You did such a great job at explaining each step she took. Poor Elisa. I can’t begin to imagine what she was feeling and seeing.

[@communingwithGod]

How come the “hotel” has no footage in the hallways - don’t you think that’s odd?

[@diyasaharley9963]

Yea...correct. ..

[@Bunxbao]

I feel like most hotels have cameras in the halls. This hotel needs to be closed

[@dicky4435]

Shady hotel doesn't give you everything.

[@YungLean1488westfalen]

There ARE other cameras and other footage of her, but it wasnt released

[@sammienappy3251]

@@Bunxbao This hotel has been closed down for an entire year. It’ll be opening up in late 2021

[@lowang9708]

The series of hallucinations that she went through were obviously triggered by the fear she felt once she realized that the door isn't closing, that make her feel like something's coming at her.

[@butwhytho4858]

Idk about that because of her strange movements even before. Can anyone say why she was at the top floor? Was she alrdy delusional and lost? And if she lived there she would know the hold button? She didn’t have it together even before this to me. I wish we could see other videos of her she would usually move. That wide arm swing and duck down motion seems so dramatic and out of place to me. It could be normal for her though, so I’d love to compare.

[@lowang9708]

@@butwhytho4858 i find it weird how they showed footage of her leaving that floor but no footage of her entering. Because yeah if she used it before she wouldn't have a problem using it again unless she been delusional already. Idk, it's either what u said ur she never used it before. Maybe someone else used it for her or something

[@silkyjay869]

Good point. A slight variable but in a certain state of mind could send you quickly into paranoia

[@BejaranoAngeles.11.]

There is no 100% proof she was hallucinating at all, the truth is nobody knows what the heck was happening here in this elevator footage... It has been said she was "possibly" even playing the "Elevator Game"... all any of us are doing is assuming, which is very easy to do....When you listen to details about her possibly playing the elevator game, her body movements follow exactly as if that is what she was doing....The truth is, it is so deeply tragic what happened to her poor sweet soul, may God truly Bless Her....

[@lowang9708]

@@BejaranoAngeles.11.so she was playing the "elevator game" at one of the most dangerous hotels in the city ? Let's say it's true, that still means that she was mentally unstable. And yeah after all we are just assuming what might've happened that's what the whole video is all about anyways.

[@babygirldeeh]

Never thought about when he said that there’s no footage of her going up to that floor 😳

[@aryanprasad8806]

I'm not sure about this but doesn't the Cecil hotel have stairs? If she wasn't in the right state of mind then she could have went up to the top floor without thinking that she did such a thing. This could be possible if there were stairs to the top floor.

[@babygirldeeh]

@@aryanprasad8806 I think it does . I saw this one KZbinr that he managed to get in the hotel & one of his friends used the stairs because he was scared that the elevator would stop working & they’d get stuck.

[@tiktokaddict5867]

@@aryanprasad8806 yeah that makes me confused as well, if the elevator doors weren't working for a long time then why didn't she use the stairs? It's really creepy. But anyways, rest in peace Elisa, may God be with you

[@lookslikemickey3230]

@@aryanprasad8806 most hotels also have hallway and stairway footage though so we should be able to see her go up and leave the elevator to where she went next

[@babygirldeeh]

@JaschellePower yeah i see that too. There’s a lot of things that do not add up tbh. Idk if you ever say this other KZbin video where they said that it would’ve been impossible for her to get up there on her own because the entrance to the water tank I guess the door was really heavy and supposedly when someone would open that door an alarm would sound. Who knows. Not sure if that was true though.

[@cd0u50c9]

Didn't know Ace Ventura is so good at deciphering human behaviour, I thought animals are his specialty.

[@kiowatribegirl]

😂😂😂😂

[@superior1074]

She probably got freaked out when the door didn’t close when she accidentally pressed the button. That’s why she looked outside Bc she thought someone was out there and she got scared more than she should have because she wasn’t in the right state of mind

[@st1cky953]

And then she use the fire escape route outside the building through the window to the Top of the Building? When she was trying to get down with the Elevator? Wouldn't she then climb down the ladder instead of up? Doesnt Fit! And then up the ladder where there was an unprotected area, even I would have my concerns about going up there.

[@looneycam2762]

She had hallucinations probably.

[@MM-cs2lr]

@@looneycam2762 she did. The documentary on Netflix.

[@looneycam2762]

@@MM-cs2lr that one's solved but what about the drowning?

[@bulletproofguy5112]

That’s exactly it, the doors won’t close and she thinks someone’s outside stopping it... why can’t people like this guy get this.

[@deryaaytop9294]

yes, you’r right. if she go up ten floors, there must be another footage while she is going up in the elevator

[@aryanprasad8806]

I'm not sure if the Cecil Hotel has stairs that lead to the top floor but she could have taken those right? She might have took those because she wasn't in the right state of mind but I'm not sure.

[@lisabarth9164]

The police need to show us the footage going up, now please!!!

[@aryanprasad8806]

@@Hozaifapullz If there were CCTV on the stairs then that evidence should have been released to the public as it would help web sleuths to try and solve this. If there were cameras there, we would have been able to see if she went up to the roof alone or with someone else. If there were cameras there then it would be case solved, but it isn’t.

[@aryanprasad8806]

@@lisabarth9164 That is another issue as if there is no video of her going up then we can make the assumption that she took the stairs.

[@ryandeguzman2957]

@@lisabarth9164 lol the fact that ur saying pls like why would they do it for you keep in mind her parent might said it to make it private for personal reasons idk what you think about releasing the footage but we should also respect her parents or personal issues not everything should be public and the footage may be not allowed to be public because it might be something that will be taken down or banned for reasons and shes diagnosed with depression and some sort of trauma cuz i read her last posts and it shows what she was feeling lately

[@909News]

The way you broke it down and actually researched and put the manager and cops on blast for not releasing the rest of the footage was spot on heroic.

[@YungLean1488westfalen]

It's not heroic. It's just a thing he did

[@carolmullins]

What would releasing more footage do? They released the footage that was necessary. Her last moments seen on camera, that's all that was needed, no one needed to see her going to the top floor twenty minutes or an hour earlier. They didn't "tamper" with the footage. This is standard police practice to protect the integrity of the investigation (jumbling the time stamp). For example, if someone said yeah, I killed her at 1am and the time stamp was originally categorized at 2am, 5 am etc then they have someone who isn't being truthful, yes people do cop to crimes they haven't done.

[@sweetnumb]

@@YungLean1488westfalen Yeah... the way that guy rescued that child wasn't heroic... it was simply a thing that he did. The way that dude stopped that bomb from going off definitely wasn't heroic... it was just a thing that he did. Fuck.. FINALLY someone like you who gets it!

[@ArvelDreth]

I think she was having a severe manic episode as a result of being isolated after being kicked out of her room, losing her phone meant she probably couldn't contact home very easily, being off her medication, and being in a very unfamiliar and sketchy place. A lot of her body language and overall behavior immediately before and after this footage are congruent with other people who have committed suicide as a result of manic depression.

[@calimango7926]

That point that you made about her reaching out to touch the elevator doors to establish what was real, really hit me hard. I don't know what happened to her - I cant even begin to speculate- but that right there made my heart go out to her because it proves that she was obviously in a very scary/anxious place before she died. May her soul rest in peace.

[@newworldastrology1102]

Or she was simply holding the doors open to ensure they don’t close on her.

[@tionak]

The fact that I watched that documentary and NOBODY mentioned that she hit the “door hold” button because they wanted to denote some kind of paranormal activity has blown my mind! So thankful for this breakdown. Another great one Derek!

[@cherryjaninka]

They did mention it as I remember...

[@JERRYMOUSE1935]

Ok u say she hit the stop button umm 🤔 I don't know I'm a professional mover for over 20yrs so I've seeing a few old and new elevators . On a newer elevator their not a stop button it's a "HOLD" button plus u don't press it u pull it .same deal with old elevators and most it activates a loud alarm . Reason it's a pull button is because if ur trying to stop the elevator more than likely it's do to an emergency. A push button would stop and activate the alarm really often do to people pressing it accidentaly On newer elevator s they have another button labeled "open " and it's purpose if to re open the door Incase people still coming in or out the elevator . I think abnormal activity may be the reason but also she shows sings of mental illness and she was a victim of her own mind . On the other hand like u guys say sup with the video also if I'm correct I think the lady the manager quit her position shortly after . From self experience I can say all those old buildings old elevators the all give me the bumps but can help the attraction for them if only they could talk right ;( BOO!!!!!

[@triciahlongwa6383]

They do mention that

[@ArmandoXIII]

They mentioned it many times.

[@fedupwithads1144]

Which documentary did you watch? In the Netflix documentary, they do talk about the fact that she pressed the Hold button and may not have realised this was keeping the door open. Episode 3: Down The Rabbit Hole, literally within minutes of the start of this episode, they address the door hold and confirmed that she had pressed this button and this would cause the door to remain open for 2 minutes.... come on....

[@cosmicallyconnected]

My guy out here looking like Jimmy neutron 😂 love it!

[@cammac2753]

🤣🤣

[@nurgles_be_saggy]

Hahaha!!

[@acorn-i6m]

How tho

[@nurgles_be_saggy]

@@acorn-i6m um...

[@stripinatord4744]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@betsysorenson6825]

13:00 I disagree here! What I believe is she has being hearing thing “NOT SEEING THEM” as you say. I have a lot of these episodes and the noises or sounds are the main thing that causes this type of reaction. Cause there’s NO certainty of what’s causing those sounds so we stay in the place to try to figure it out. If there was something “visible” I’m sure she would of ran since the beginning. So my conclusion is, she is hearing a lot of noises and she’s staying in the same spot to figure out if those a noises represent a potencial danger or not.

[@leval1000]

I’ve been around someone who’s having a manic episode and believe me, everything they do doesn’t make sense to you and I.

[@vangiegrl5537]

You may have been around people who have schizophrenia… Mania, doesn’t even do that… You do not get hallucinations… I’m a personal experiences them, I know other people who do also… I’m diagnosed with bipolar disorder… And I have family members who are diagnosed with schizophrenia… That’s more on the lines of a schizophrenic

[@brantortiz9327]

@@vangiegrl5537 not true. Get your facts right. During mania or people with bipolar disorder, can experience hallucinations or psychotic symptoms. It all depends on the person too. Everyone experiences bipolar disorder differently and besides... There’s also something called bipolar with psychotic features

[@vangiegrl5537]

@@brantortiz9327 I know my facts.

[@ericaonline3739]

#TRUTH!!!

[@melteague117]

I suffered for years from dilutions and auditory hallucinations, it’s very scary. It feels like your personally under attack from demons.

[@sionwritingco]

she was obviously vulnerable. i think that she wasn’t in the right state of mind and someone took advantage of her... knowing they could get away with it.

[@tarekj5951]

I think someone did that to her but the hotel covered it up to prevent the hotel’s reputation from becoming worse.

[@kkittycatkat1990]

I might have agreed however her sister said when she went into delusions it was very quickly as in the snap of a finger. Having grown up with someone who has schizophrenia...I absolutely believe she is seeing and or hearing things that are not there. It's extremely difficult to understand this break in sanity. I understand this fully as it took me years to try to understand the strange behaviors that an "episode" creates for them. I can tell you that the things I have seen and grew up with are really unfathomable to most people because it just doesn't make sense and some extreme things go on. It's scary. I see her behavior as something I can attest to being very familiar with and yes, even her going to the tanks and jumping in, unfortunately.

[@aronlee7889]

Hello beautiful Shayla

[@aronlee7889]

@@tarekj5951 explain this then how someone carry her up the water tank?

[@aaronbarton227]

Watch "A Beautiful Mind."

[@GR8-45]

Please break down the body language of the adoptive parents of Orrin and Orson west ic cal city California.. WE NEED YOUR HELP !! Please like this post so Derek sees it

[@ruthrobinson2232]

This 🙌🏻

[@butwhytho4858]

YESSSS PLZ THIS!!!!

[@GR8-45]

@@butwhytho4858 we need Derek to analyze those horrible people I could just about tell you what Derek is going to say if and when he sees that video!

[@GR8-45]

@@ruthrobinson2232 It would really be amazing if he would consider analyzing that video are you familiar with what I am talking about

[@butwhytho4858]

@@GR8-45 agreed. Others have analyzed him alrdy. I’d like To see what Derek says without watching other readers first. I’d ALSO like to hear more about the mothers body language AND someone needs to touch on her lack of outdoor searching the evening they disappeared. There’s a TON to be said about not even being able to analyze the stepmoms body language on doorbell cam because SHE NEVER WENT OUTSIDE TO LOOK FOR THEM! Any normal adult would be running around outside yelling and screaming for the kids. PLZ LOOK INTO THIS DEREK! 😭😭😭

[@journeyruthjavines2998]

Someone who could have an access to the roof and can go there unsuspiciously and can open the gas tank, possibly have a strong physique could be the individual who could take advantage of her when she's not in her right state of mind. Also, take note that she was found naked which is suspicious. The perpetrator might also have control over the odd occurrences on the elevator. Elisa Lam wasn't in her right state of mind, became more nervous, resulting in her odd behaviour on the footage. Either way, these are just my hypothesis.

[@PoliceCamClips]

It was always such a huge mystery on how she died. Her body language made things weird/scarier but can reveal new things through further investigation.

[@sumting_wong_witya1029]

It was solved long ago tho

[@jjww1]

@@sumting_wong_witya1029 not properly...

[@swimlaps1]

@@sumting_wong_witya1029 Not totally solved.

[@ebonynaomi1085]

I think a member of staff did it. They are the only ones with access to tank on roof.

[@sumting_wong_witya1029]

@@ebonynaomi1085 Actually the staff management is very bad, any normal visitor can access the roof

[@mookyo9602]

I always wondered why this girl was traveling alone. I realize she was 21 but to stay there! So sad this beautiful girl died like that.

[@Luton-Mick]

She was on a tight budget so naively chose this hell hole.

[@fernandomescalito5307]

I travel alone

[@dicetea2037]

It's cases like this where people keep trying to say it's ghosts or a cover up that robs us from having important and constructive conversations about mental health that could really help remove the stigma around it.

[@Kiwi.maddog]

You're so right. It also creates a harmful "scary" factor towards mental health and how it's perceived.

[@ArtsyStudios]

After watching the documentary on elisa lam, I would like to give my version of what I strongly believed happen. I'm a Mental Health Nurse and watching the cctv and many youtubers footage I can see what happened. So when you have schizophrenia, bi polar and severe depression, patients go into a mode of psychosis. The symptoms of psychosis are two things. Hallucinations and Delusions. Hallucinations are where the patient sees, hears, tastes and smells things that aren't real and delusions are where the patient believes in something that doesn't exist outside of their own minds, most commonly they feel someone or something is out to get them. Some of Elisa Lams blogs showed indicators of delusion by feeling like she was often being followed by people. Elisa Lams actions in the elevator are a clear sign she was in a psychotic episode, the delusion of looking in and out, then hiding, thinking someone's watching her, the Hallucination of hand gestures as she's talking to someone or something that isn't really there and the pressing of all buttons as to go to the lower floors as soon as possible. The complaint by the two girls she shared a room with about her deterioration in behaviour before being moved to her own room indicates the start of a slowly developing psychotic episode. My honest belief is that leaving the elevator because it wasn't going down, not knowing she hit the button to keep the door open, she goes to the fire escape window, (where the tracker dog loses the scent) because she still believes someone's following her, she goes out the window and up the ladder to the roof and looking for somewhere to hide finds the water tanks. For whatever reason that no one will know, I truly believe she undressed herself and closed the hatch as she got into the water and then found herself in the position where she couldn't get herself out and consequently drowned as she couldn't reach the hatch. Her medical professionals should have monitored her mental health much better and provided better treatment and medication. Psychosis can make you do unnatural things when hallucinations and delusions occur. Things that rational people would never even consider. In my medical experience this is such an accidental tradegy that could have been averted. Even not taking anti psychotic prescriptions correctly can lead to a psychotic episode. If the police had routinely inspected the water tanks on their first time on the roof her outcome may have been different. I also suspect that if she hadn't hit the button that kept the door open she may have also been alive now. It's seems accidentally hitting the wrong elevator button and psychosis were the culprits and her killers. I know many people, especially on KZbin have their theories about other things that may have happened, but I hope I can bring some medical and science based knowledge to the dynamics of this tradegy. I sadly see the same hallucinations and delusions as Elisa Lams in many patients.

[@raynemichelle2996]

I also thought it was psychosis. Psychosis can also happen with drug use.

[@66hoodwitch]

The covering of the tank was too heavy for a girl her size to open on her own..not buying this! She was murdered ! Please ,don't speak of another beings mental state ,so passionately, unless you've known them personally! I'm a therapist/psych major and I could never allow myself to do that, on KZbin or any other social media outlet its simply unethical!Your brain created this particular version based off what you, personally know and deal with, daily. Nothing more nor less! An illusion ..Her situation may very well be very different and its important to consider that. RIP baby girl

[@khylevilloria560]

@@66hoodwitch some comments in other videos says that someone (I don't know if it's true or not) claimed that he shut the cover thinking that another co worker had forgotten to close it.

[@Penelope_Pissed-off]

I have bipolar and major depression . I am irregular with my medication and I can tell you even in my manic states I don't become delusional, disorientated, psychotic, schizophrenic or have hallucinations.

[@michelle.1979]

Her roomies (assuming they knew her condition) could've been on some bs (bi-polar disease can cause nasty/violent outbursts if not medicated... she could've pissed them off) and purposely encouraged an episode or what some are saying was an episode, to she could've just honestly been frightened, again, if someone(s) were pulling her strings.

[@circedelune]

I have a different theory, but one that also explains her body language. There are many photos of her with glasses on. No glasses in this video. I think she wasnt sure which button to push because she couldn’t see them clearly. She accidentally pushed the hold button, holding the doors open. Not realizing what she had done, she gets spooked because the door isn’t closing. She may also hear small noises, such as creeks and echoes of voices from down the hall. She thinks it is someone messing with her. She tries to catch them, but no one is there. She then becomes really creeped out. With the hotels reputation, who can blame her? She hides in the elevator, but then talks herself down. It must be a glitch in something. Maybe the elevator is just stuck somehow. So she tries different spots outside the door, as well as pushing some more buttons. That ids my theory.

[@uhiko]

But how was she killed?

[@kyran194]

But what about the tank story ?

[@circedelune]

That’s just my theory on this footage. I’m not sure how she ended up in the tank. It seems unlikely to me that she got in there on her own, but I don’t have enough info to figure it out.

[@ShoppersL]

My gut feeling is the same, one can easily get spooked and scared. Brain functions can produce scary movements when mind believes there is something there that’s stopping the door. The sounds in older buildings can add to this whole mix what mind believes.

[@carolmullins]

@@uhiko she killed herself by accident, due to her mania.

[@foobag969]

I feel so bad for her. Its the worst when you know what you're hearing or seeing isn't real but you're still looking for the sounds or reacting to them anyway

[@B029_]

The scariest thing

[@foobag969]

@@B029_ one time I heard wolves howling outside and helicopters flying over the house. I thought we were being invaded

[@CorrinKaskas]

Yep one time I was in bed and I saw “someone” moving my door knob and I could hear it moving trying to open. You blink and the visual and sounds leave for a second but they come right back the second you fixate on something

[@cathyd74]

This is a fascinating analysis of someone's behavior while experiencing possible psychosis and hallucinations

[@jimbeatdown8637]

Okay...

[@zantar2482]

This was my first thought. Bipolar psychosis is real. Ghosts don't fucking exist. #mentalhealth

[@manny3447]

Jim Beatdown ok boomer

[@RumCaptain]

@@zantar2482 Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We don't see aliens, but many people believe they exist.

[@helio68]

@@RumCaptain the problem is when people actually see them

[@Erchyful]

That hotel was full of crime and death. Walking down the hallway was not safe for a woman to walk alone. She was psychotic that evening. Due to that she couldn’t handle the elevator situation. She then walked and wandered around that huge hotel, run into very bad person. He sees opportunity to exploit an innocent little week girl. Uses her. Kills her. Then disposes her body.

[@bonniehowell9206]

I definitely agree that it seemed like a mox between her being in a seedy area where someone noticed the state she is and took advantage of that.

[@jamesvo3013]

I didnt even know I wanted this body language breakdown lol

[@crochunter35]

Maybe then, find another channel?

[@TheLazyClips]

@@crochunter35 slow down, had a rough day? He most probably meant that he was suprised that he actually found this very interesting... isn't that quite obvious?

[@samyogadhikari8557]

@@crochunter35 hey

[@pca1987]

@@crochunter35 Try reading James Vo's comment again. He liked this video.

[@magicvampirelver1321]

😂😂

[@ellegaitor2887]

You know I’m bipolar and depressed with sometimes suicidal Tendencies. I would hate to think If something happened to me Everyone just assumed I was having hallucinations and did it to myself

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

I'm very sorry for what you've gone through. But going off the footage, its clear she wasn't in an hurry to leave, otherwise shed have hit just one or two floors, or tried hitting the close door button. even when it was stuck open,most people would be rapidly pressing the buttons in a panic to close the door, she did none ofthat. And the way she danced in and around the doors, and with her rather flamboyant movements at times, it seems like she wasn't entirely in her own mind.

[@sjchung1632]

you're right she was bipolar

[@mysmirandam.6618]

Same here and right?

[@vishvagayantha2016]

@@BattleBladeWarrior Its because she doesnt know that she accidentally hit the door hold button. She thought that someone from outside open the door and she got scared at the moment. After that all things happened on that misunderstanding and her mental illness make it worst. Thats it.

[@communingwithGod]

@@vishvagayantha2016 totally agree with you

[@Gabbyisme97]

She definitely could’ve been having a psychotic episode but I’m still confused about how she got into the water tank and closed the heavy lid herself. I feel like someone else took part in that

[@mikehunt4986]

The maintenance worker says that when he discovered her body the lid was open.

[@communingwithGod]

“First” they said the lid was closed - now that is a “big difference” in him saying it was closed and then it was open at the last minute. Plus during the maintenance mans interview- he looked away after he answered that question because deep down he was coerced to say it was closed due to not bringing a lawsuit against the hotel.

[@mikehunt4986]

@@communingwithGod Except he didn't say it was closed. He said it was open.

[@Gabbyisme97]

Thanks for the info, guys. I finished the Netflix series and learned the maintenance worker closed the lid after he found her.. Why would he do that though? Weird. Seems like you’d leave a crime scene the way you found it. Maybe he panicked.

[@mikehunt4986]

@@Gabbyisme97 Maybe that was just his instincts as a maintenance worker kicking in. The lid should always be closed and therefore he closed it. The thought of "tampering with a crime scene" probably never entered his head.

[@Cchiyyo]

When I heard about her history for the first time, I was sure, that it's impossible she could climb up onto the roof through the fire escape, when she was out of her mind. But then I remembered that police dogs guided detectives to the window, where that fire escape was... But it was on the fourth floor. So my theory was that, when she thougt that elevator isn't working, she decided to choose stairs, but when she was on her way, something might distract her, and on the fourth floor, she got out of the window and started climbing... up to roof. Maybe she was 'running away' from something. It woud be logic, that she wanted to hide in water tank... :( But why did nobody notice, that someone was on the fire escape... It was visible from the street, right? All I hope is that, she didn't suffer too much...

[@senorloco4171]

Or when she pushed the hold the elevator door on accident she must have thought someone or something was in the way

[@bryanvonstase6755]

Yeah that's interesting, i think she got paranoid when the doors wouldn't close. And she thought someone was blocking the door, or someone was pushing the elevator call button from outside.

[@aria1970]

@@bryanvonstase6755 that's a pretty good idea.. Assuming the call button was on the left, she could have been peeking out of the elevator to see if someone was there pressing it

[@neva_nyx]

Dearly departed, here on KZbin, has quite a bit of footage and stills of the Cecile from last year. I need to go back and watch it to see if you might be correct about where those buttons are.

[@theBabyDead]

@Hudson Hamman they're talking about a call button in the hallway. You clearly haven't read these people's conversion

[@catandthemouse9996]

That’s exactly what I think

[@cornflowerblue2888]

it sucks that she was all alone, troughout this whole ordeal. Hope the family is healing...

[@MrNoomz]

Sounds like she probably shouldnt have been travelling alone in the first place. If her sister knew of her paranoid episodes then letting her go into downtown L.A alone wasnt a great judgement call

[@ambers512]

To me, she's just wondering why the elevator doors aren't closing. She doesn't realize she hit the "hold door" button, like he said. So everything she's doing is because she's trying to figure out what's causing the doors not to close. She's looking to see if somebody is waiting to get in, and she's waving hands to make motion, to trigger the door. She's getting frustrated because the doors won't close. I don't think she saw anything. Just my opinion. Maybe she wandered off afterwards, to ask somebody for help or find another way down to her floor. That's when she came across a shady individual on those top floors

[@katherinekaytor1457]

I think you're absolutely right

[@heelsandguns1492]

Who you kidding? Everything about her body language and gestures was bizarre as hell.

[@arabalosa]

To me i was wondering it wasn't her first time at the hotel to think about how to use the elevator

[@Raine-97]

@@heelsandguns1492 I agree. It was creepy af, she was looking at something specific the entire time.

[@DivestedEntity]

Hmmm

[@Electragirl5]

I disagree. She’s not fearful at all. Every body language you interpreted is correct however every body language she does can be interpreted slightly different. She’s being mischievous. The jumping half in half out and darting her head and jump back in to statue pose is like someone’s playing a prank on her. “Aha caught you!” Seems to be her mindset. She’s not self soothing at any part of this which means she did not have any anxiety or actual fear. The way she holds her arms loosely in front of her with her wrists relaxed and fingers clasped together is a relaxed protecting pose not a scared protecting pose.

[@bethany6205]

This case has given me nightmares.

[@cammac2753]

Me too!

[@bethany6205]

@@cammac2753 The elevator....haunting.

[@cammac2753]

@@bethany6205 I would never ever spend one night in this hotel. No thanx

[@bethany6205]

@@cammac2753 Oh, hell no.

[@bethany6205]

@@cammac2753 I wouldn't enter it at all.

[@bayleyolomon3369]

I cannot imagine how afraid she must have been :(

[@madhurimaduru2171]

Ik

[@BlueShadow777]

She could have kept her leg in the elevator while peering out into the hallway simply because she was concerned the elevator door would close and the thing would leave without her.

[@Silverbullet1222]

When she’s flailing her hands at first, I think she may have been trying to figure out why the door wasn’t closing. Kind of how we try and get the automatic sinks to work in the bathroom. She seems to be like “what is in front of the door causing it to stay open?” What do you think?

[@Xylospring]

That...makes sense. Thank you for defreakifying that motion. Because it made me so uncomfortable.

[@miqeyt3317]

Or yea, mayb what she is seeing, it's kinda like she talkin to sumthin about the door not closing. Cuz it does seem like she is talking about the doors

[@laurakarin1217]

This was my first interpretation when I viewed this. How many times have you waved your arms in front of an elevator door wondering why it wont close or open. My analysis is way too long to write.

[@exitscreaming]

@@Xylospring huh ? Didn't he just speculate and guess ?

[@michelle.1979]

Yaaasss

[@christinemiller1967]

This was a totally different take on that video that I haven’t seen before. Good job!!!

[@Ajokeiguess]

My theory is that she pressed the button, it didn’t work, so she walks out and asked someone if they know why, then I think she was just waiting in the corner thinking it will close.

[@karinamurphy6645]

After she waves her hands around it looks as if she’s trying to explain something to someone. As if she was counting things on her fingers and making points on a topic or something. Idk

[@AlyssiaD-LightsCameraAct]

Yep I have watched it a bunch amd thought that aa well and it definitely seems like she is ticking things off a list by counting with her fingers there

[@camillamattioli8624]

I got The same impression

[@michelle.1979]

Yaaasss

[@leticiabarreira9276]

As a person that not only take lot of prescription medication but actually reads the possible side effects of what taking and specially stoping taking those med can make to your head i really think something really bad must have happened to her when she stopped taking her meds. It's so sad to see this happen to her.

[@fuckgoogle7314]

Bipolar disorder gets crazy when you come off of your meds, too. It can be really confusing, especially if you introduce insufficient sleep to the situation. Full blown auditory and visual hallucinations are common. To me it looks like she's just trying to find out why the elevator won't go, but her brain is lying to her that someone is outside stopping it.

[@foobag969]

I know it wasn't ghosts but I want to believe it was ghosts

[@carlm8821]

@@foobag969 Same here as well. When you consider the hotel’s long storied past, dark history and all the deaths, suicides, murders and evil residents over the decades, just like hospitals, jails/prisons, asylums, rest homes, etc.there’s almost certain to be lots of residual energy as well as some restless ghosts spirits, spectres or unseen forces lurking about this place. Of course, when you factor that in with her state of mind, she was in a hopeless situation.

[@NewStarConstellation]

I witnessed that on a family member. It's not funny at all. She cut from high dose anit-depressants to zero within one day although she knew that this is dangerous and this kind of meds need to be slowly reduced. We had some terrible - and I mean TERRIBLE - and massive delusional months afterwards until she finally snapped back to normal. Don't do this kind of thing people! Listen to your doc and read the instruction leaflets of your meds! You put your family, friends etc. through a VERY hard time!

[@graeme1744]

I agree with you.

[@ocarinaofsociety]

Finally, more people are covering this topic again! This mystery has been living rent free in my mind for years!

[@loopylocks7746]

Her actions can also be explained under the assumption she wasn’t delusional. What if she was exploring the hotel and somebody was following her around the hallways. That would explain why she was trying to hide in the elevator. She probably didn’t realise she hit the hold button and assumed somebody was holding it outside that’s why she jumped and pooped her head out to catch them. The second time she went out when she (bunny hopped) it’s looks to me that she was trying to creat noise and started stepping about to make it sound like she was walking away so whoever out there would come out. The hand movements could be her checking the lasers on the elevators because the doors weren’t closing. As for her pushing all the buttons let’s say for example somebody was following her if she took the elevator to her floor then that other person would see what floor the elevator had stopped on and what floor she got off. She could have pressed multiple buttons on different floors to stop whomever it was following her to her room.

[@LifeInPink999]

If I was following someone I would have used the stairs to go the floor the elevator is marking. I mean even if she presses all the buttons the elevator still will go fist to the first marked floor and so will she. The next floor will be displayed and so on. It could work if the person who is following is unable to reach the first marked floor at time but personally I think that marking all the buttons can be a bit risky it won’t allow to change the floor at will if something changes and makes you have less control in that situation. Also why would she just wait it to move if in her mind someone is about to catch up with her. It’s quite bizarre but having an episode doesn’t exclude being followed by a real person. In my opinion till she exited what she did was out of panic, pressing all the buttons without a clear plan. Once she excited there is the possibility of someone noticing a disoriented woman, maybe believing her drunk and targeting her or her ending in that roof by herself and deciding to hide in the water tank maybe without realizing she won’t be able to climb back. Without more information l don’t believe the police should have discarded the murder theory.

[@XieonGaming]

This footage has always been creepy af

[@isiswestry9744]

Ikr

[@mr.incredible9663]

This scared the shit out of me when I watched it as a kid

[@snailsnatcher1707]

The way she darted her head out the elevator is a natural way of over coming the fear of what could be there by it happening so fast you have no time to think so my opinion she definitely saw something that she wasn’t supposed to

[@tinytaz6668]

That was honestly the best analysis of the tragic heartbreaking footage I’ve ever seen. Excellent job

[@FireyzOg]

At 10:50 I think that she was tired or had a headache cause it was probaly night, and passed out and that ghost could of pulled her body all the way to the water tank and nobody sees it.

[@scottsponaas]

Watching these videos, I find myself picking up on deceptive clusters when I talk to people. Keep em coming!

[@emp9413]

Just keep in mind any signs if deception are only that if they deviate from their base line. Behaviour panel explains in more nuance

[@autumnmoon5325]

Also if someone has anxiety their body language can sometimes be misinterpreted as being deceptive. I have general anxiety and social anxiety and when I’m triggered I’ve found myself doing some of the little tics and movements that are supposed to indicate deception when I’m telling the truth. It’s because I’m uncomfortable with the situation and not that I’m lying.

[@nancyrosexoxo853]

It's weird how the floor she was on didn't have a camera in the hall like what in the f , they're definitely covering something

[@rachelstroman7109]

Yea kenneka jenkins they had cameras in halls

[@betulkathem2835]

@@AndreaStote so NOT True.. I used to be in hotels a LOT when I was in the holidays..and there was ALWAYS a Camera and it’s definitely not illegal don’t Talk shit

[@evahafrasoti3856]

surely there was no one alone killed or more

[@daqfu271]

@@AndreaStote where did u get that from? i just googled it and there was nothing related to that !

[@justinx.4420]

Apparently a lot of the footage was cut out as well.

[@alliemaruu]

The part where she was doing a bunch of stuff with her hands looked like she was talking to/explaining something to somebody. I honestly believe she had some sort of psychotic break/disorient & disconnect with reality, and in doing so, accidentally killed herself. I don’t suspect any foul play nor a direct suicide attempt.

[@morganbarfield108]

I believe she was having a psychotic break as well but if she accidentally killed herself, how did she get in there and shut the big ass heavy top??

[@alliemaruu]

@@morganbarfield108 good question. It’s not impossible, but that does point to someone else being there. I hope for her family’s sake that this gets solved one day. This story is so sad.

[@carolmullins]

@@alliemaruu it's already been solved.

[@jakeetschannel2031]

Then you would have to ignore her being naked, the very unusual place of her clothes and the tampered footage. Just for starters.

[@dhanrxap812]

The strange gestures she made while leaving the elevator could possibly suggest that she knew or she had a some kind of premonition about what was going to happen to her that night. First, she did these swimming-like hand movements, as if she was mimicking being in water. Then, she made a circular motion, visualizing something tank-like or a container of some sort. After that, she seemed to be twisting and squeezing her hands, while pressing and bending her legs, almost like she was saying 'to seal something tightly.' Now, I'm not sure if my wild theory makes sense or not, and I don't want to speculate too much. But if her gestures somehow matched my interpretation, it would mean she had an inkling of the worst-case scenario that would happen to her that day. I have so many speculation running on my mind, only from this wild interpretation alone, but i can't write it down here. These are just my thoughts after watching the CCTV footage for the first time, though. No one knows on whether she did it herself, asked someone else to do it for her, or was forced by someone else. That's just my own thoughts after watching the CCTV footage for the first time.

[@Ttlore]

I’m convinced that someone who worked at the hotel killed her, especially speaking that there is magically no other camera footage of her leaving the elevator even though there at cameras pointing at the elevator

[@randyphillips6506]

That or a long time resident or last theory is some rich mf killed her and had cops cover it up the video was obviously edited and a chopper circled it with a large light but didn’t see that the lid was open

[@ericaonline3739]

The "chosen" footage we get to see leaves it extremely Suspish!!!

[@tianna03255]

there wasn’t a lot of cameras only in the common areas and elevator

[@ashkarra2507]

I think the manager & some of her employees have been using the Cecil hotel at a “murder hotel” kinda like H.Holmes. Like how she got the manager position. Also, how she new the video was edited, but lied about it. I think they did this to drive up the history of the hotel & with her morbid fantasies. They were wanting to tear the hotel down & I think they did this to make a crime scene to where they can’t tear it down. Just a theory.

[@ShaarleneRuth]

Plus the janitor who looked hesitant when he was interviewed. As if he wanted to say something but he's restricted. Like i could see he said it all with heavy heart. Idk maybe its just me.....

[@jonnyvos7113]

It looked like she was trying to make the sensor go off, by waving her hand in and out of the elevator entrance, to close the door.

[@Empress-G]

I wonder if she didn't realise she pressed the hold button and thought someone was pressing it?

[@crelos3549]

@@Empress-G i think that she didn't know that the hold button existed

[@professionalnobody651]

To me it looked like she was almost petting a creature of some sort or a small child or something. Whatever it was she was seeing it was lower to the ground as well.

[@deborahadel]

@@crelos3549 she apparently wore glasses so she might not have seen

[@jonnyvos7113]

@Hudson Hamman I said in and out of the elevator...

[@jasonmiddleton5491]

*here is what happened* She heard a domestic incident or something more serious and wanted to help but was too scared to (soon after she hit the door hold button) look at her facial expression @4:35 a few seconds after she hit the hold button and she was startled when she hit the hold door button with the door starting to close - notice at the start she's checking to see where it's coming from, then she hides when she hears it again, again going out of the elevator checking first, to seem normal and hasn't heard anything but then she sees what's happening which startles her @8:34 (on the left side) but not to give away that she noticed she tried to act normal (notice how she steps backwards into the elevator, her safe place) - her actions after show stress, fear, confusion and panic, her pushing the buttons again (trying to get out of there) then @12:45 she is talking to someone she doesn't know - first she is saying I was in here messing with the elevator and then I heard a scream/bang/crying - and then someone walked out down that way and then I heard them coming back but there was more - they went back in one of these rooms and then someone left and went back down that way - (she's also reaching for her safe place when explaining what she experienced) notice how she turns to her left slightly as she is explaining what she saw, possibly counting the amount of people there were, the person she asked for help from just left @13:25 her hands back behind her head indicates this "feeling helpless" notice at the end when she is stressed as she turns to the left she startles someone but wanted to seem normal so she walked away from the elevator as if she had just arrived *just from this video I can tell you the immediate layout of her surroundings* I.e there's another elevator across the hall on the right side - there's rooms on both sides of the elevator she was in - the layout resembles a horse shoe shape Her mental state in this video changes multiple times from (confusion, worrying, frightened, wondering) to (stressed, fearful, panic, scared) *she was murdered* obviously someone who is startled by a hold door on an elevator will not know about the existence of a water tank on top of buildings

[@kellyx7600]

How can you possibly know that's what happened....

[@jasonmiddleton5491]

@@kellyx7600 statistics, for instance the hotel is in a rough area, it is also cramped with communal wash rooms - with no personal space the tensions will be high amongst tenants and using the video with a simple outlook it's easy to interpret (and further investigation leads me to believe that's what happened) Across the hall is a wash room *not an elevator* (so the person she was talking to wasn't interested and in a rush) And to the left there is a fire escape (private as most use the elevators) she definitely heard and see something happening to the left probably shielded by the fire door (sound-ish proof by regulation)

[@kathleenlogan7586]

I honestly think someone took advantage of her in that situation. That's how she ended up in that water tank. That hotel is near the worst part of LA. Alot people have gone missing or been killed there.

[@ritual12thexit88]

Very unfortunate and sad. In her state of confusion and delirium, she went to the roof to hide. Thought the tank was a good place..she accidentally drowned. Extremely sad..

[@CALIGIRL702]

Theres no way she could have closed the lid to the tank, someone had to close it..

[@CALIGIRL702]

Let’s not forget, these surveillance recordings were HEAVILY edited! Several experts have looks at these and noticed hundreds of spliced out video...this is some sort of cover up...NO! I am not a conspiracy theorist, I’ve been studying this case for years....I’ve talked to several workers at the Cecil Hotel there worked there at the time..Something isn’t right with this hotel, I rank this hotel right up there with ‘The Standard’ hotel...

[@vanessav5352]

If she was just hiding, why most of the clothes were off of her?

[@icantthinkofausername4553]

@@CALIGIRL702 the lid wasnt closed when her body was found, it was closed when the police went up,

[@icantthinkofausername4553]

@@vanessav5352 hypothermia and drowning. We take of clothes to make it easier to stay afloat. Also it would've got very cold. During hypothermia you can suddenly go warm and so people take off their clothes, eventually killing them.

[@RobertSmith-eb9xu]

You deserve you’re own prime time television show or Netflix series. You’re the man!

[@frankoconnell6745]

That’s a fresh haircut! Been a big fan since the Chris Watts videos.

[@jamesmurray6797]

Hell yea. I seen it right away too 🤣 and was like Batmaan 🦇

[@Strength_In_Wisdom]

Lmaoo clean cut and smooth

[@PhilBender612]

Don't flatter him, it goes right to his head.

[@Strength_In_Wisdom]

@@PhilBender612 straight to his cut

[@AzzrudinJamil]

He looks like a bonafide youtuber now!

[@hundun5604]

Speaking of missing things. If she did drown, she would've water in her lungs. People that drown have water in their lungs. Simple as that, ask any coroner. It's not mentioned anywhere in the Netflix doc she had. She might have had, but why isn't it known knowledge if she did? That would make it a lot easier to believe it was and accident.

[@edicck6528]

There was a mirror on the wall where she stared at at the begining. She might have seen someone/smth on the right side of the hallway through the mirror.

[@Special1K1]

With all due respect, I think you've gotten this wrong, and I'm reading her body language completely different. I am not an expert in body language, but I have studies it within my psychology degree and studies in human behavior. As you mentioned, she hit the button for the door to stay open. I do believe she did that unknowingly. In my opinion, her body language indicates that she does not understand why the door is not closing. She is standing proper as a lot of people do, waiting for the door to close. When it doesn't, she tries to peek out to see if anyone is coming, that may be holding the door open. She only leans her head in case the door begins to close on her. She moves to the side of the elevator thinking that perhaps she's keeping the door open by standing in front of it inside the elevator. She waves her arms as is she is trying to see what is holding the door open. I think her looking around all strangely is because she is spooked as to who is keeping the door open. I truly believe all of the seen behavior is simply her not realizing that she was the cause for it not closing, and that is why her behavior becomes more and more strange as the door continues to stay open. I also believe that she may have thought it was a ghost, and that she could have wanted to "hide" in the water tank. Do you think any of my theories are possible?

[@disturbed0insane]

You are spot on. Not sure about hiding from the ghost thing but you are right about everything else. This guy has quoted bio polar disorder and depression as her diseases and that not taking their medicine was causing hallucinations. Bipolarism or depression doesn't cause hallucinations. But the medicines prescribed for these diseases certainly make one hazy, so I can understand why she didn't want to continue taking the medicine. I think this guy is a quack, he knows nothing of body language.

[@A_Strawberry]

@@disturbed0insane As Somone who suffers from depression, I can say in my worse episodes, it definitely has caused me to hallucinate, and as far as bipolar disorder, depending on the variant and how bad it is, it definitely can cause a manic episode involving hallucinations

[@kyjjyxkyjjyx8843]

You can clearly see a transparent thing ! I’ve seen it before I’m 💯 positive this was a paranormal attack against her

[@kyjjyxkyjjyx8843]

Also I’ve been pushed before by a transparent entity, so I definitely know this was paranormal

[@jasa5245]

@@disturbed0insane Bipolar disorder can definitely have hallusinations and delusions, both in a manic episode as well as in a depressive episode. Some research estimated that 50% of bipolar 1 patients experience some sort of psychotic symptoms, more typically during mania, at some point of their life.

[@savannahlauren2]

I have seen so many videos on this and this is the 1st time I’ve heard that she pressed the door hold button. That fills a pretty big hole in the story... at least to me.

[@agapelove1111]

I believe Elisa Lam was murdered by a creepy maintenance worker. How else could you explain how her body got into the water tower? A ladder would be required... I also believe that someone was using technology to keep her stuck. The elevator wouldn't close. This is not supernatural, this was a killer who was stalking her like prey. Most of us cannot keep the elevator door open. Think about it. She was followed by someone. I think she wasn't sure if this was really happening to her. I think someone with a security camera access should be investigated. Hallucinations may be an issue, but somehow I don't think Hallucinations was her cause of death. I think she was talking to someone.

[@Trisha_64001]

She might have thought since the door wasnt closing that someone was out there triggering the door open. Then later, taking the different steps in front of the door thinking it would cause the door movement or something. Very unfortunate situation; would love to know how she ended up in that tank!

[@nickv4073]

You really can't figure it out? Only way up there is to climb a ladder to the top of the tank. Does that help?

[@noellewithane6111]

I think she gave up on the elevator, and went to the stairwell and could only go up and not down. Then knowing that if someone was following her she would have nowhere to hide she went into the water tank?

[@Trisha_64001]

@@noellewithane6111 I agree, thought something was wrong with elevator and found the steps

[@eddydonlon]

@@noellewithane6111 or maybe someone wasn’t following her maybe she thought someone was cuz she was off her meds

[@hollalinaizen4722]

She would have had to have a key to get into the water tank. Most likely a staff member who has a key probably put her in there. They did say there was not forced entry.

[@CERTAIND00M]

Most hotels have an internal stairwell that you can enter from your floor but that you can only exit through the top floor or the lobby. She could have gone into this stairwell and walked up to the top floor.

[@keep_walking_on_grass]

very good point. I used to work in a hotel and that was an issue. hotel guests who accidentally entered the stairwell sometimes pressed the fire alarm button in order to get out there again. instead of going down to the lobby.

[@noellewithane6111]

Omgggggg

[@sjoanne29]

Wow that would really confuse and frustrate me! After trying each door to exit the stairwell, finally getting one to open, just to get to the elevator that seemingly refuses to close and take me down to my floor. I would give up too and look for other ways down.

[@keep_walking_on_grass]

@@iam_curt_curt that's exactly what I think

[@johnv6806]

@Your Favorite Sociologist police incompetence. They claim the hatch was still open when they got there(and they didn't look inside) but the report says it was closed. The maintenance guy found the body later because of the foul water.

[@janeeyre5909]

Here Is the question...Is there any confirmation that she had hallucinated in the past? Seems her protective parents might not of allowed her travel knowing the lack of reality she displays.

[@BlazeFire591]

Im pretty sure in a interview with her family they said this has happened before where she stopped taking her meds and was acting a bit off.

[@janeeyre5909]

@@BlazeFire591 Thank You, guess they were confident she wouldn’t break her routine of medications.

[@NatohDine]

Her family strongly opposed to her traveling alone, but relented.

[@janeeyre5909]

@@NatohDine I hear you. Thanks.

[@haileyhochstetter5361]

Yes the sister said she was known to hallucinate because it was apart of her bipolar disorder

[@jaynezoboski4265]

I LOVE the detail and the play by play!! thank you!

[@whileistaysecluded]

Yeh, the door hold button must have set off a series of thoughts that led to her behavior.. it triggered something... “why didn’t the door shut? Is it because someone is trying to get me?” And then just snowballed from there. Super sad

[@zoeebarberaa]

you can see in the original video of her in the elevator that it STARTS to shut a couple seconds after she pushes the button, but then it stops, almost like someone hit the button from the outside & you can see her fearfully peak her head out both ways.

[@felsonduem7100]

Ok I'm about to watch this whole video, but can we all admire Derek's slick AF haircut. Man looks so sharp! Ok back to the video

[@sheila7909]

I still think she was murdered. It's so sad. It could definitely be a spirit!

[@HowlitzerPaul]

This whole case is thrown out the window. The security footage was heavily doctored before being released. One thing that never sat right with me was her panicked pushing of the buttons, only for the doors to close right as she stepped out.

[@NeonJ1]

I heard but it hasn't been verified that the cops edited by cropping and slowing down the video as the main purpose was for the public to recognize her. I wish the cops could comment.

[@strangerdaysss]

@@NeonJ1 i strongly believe "slowing down the video to enable the public to recognize her" is a huge BS excuse. everyone and their toddler know that there is something called pause/stop. obviously it was slowed down to make her look crazy.

[@nickv4073]

@@strangerdaysss Make her look crazy? She needed no help in that area.

[@-Zer0Dark-]

@@strangerdaysss "bLuE mAn baD"

[@strangerdaysss]

@@nickv4073 what are you trying to say- that all bipolar/depressed individuals look crazy?

[@Investigativebean]

It’s amazing that I have followed this case from the very beginning, and I have never, ever questioned why we have no footage of her ride up to that top floor. Your mentioning it is the first for me.

[@lachesisatropos5139]

1) WHY does the LAPD refuse to release the full police report? 2) You cannot access the roof without the alarm going off...So how did she get onto the roof without detection? 3) You need a ladder to get anywhere near the access hatch to the water tanks, so how did she end up in the water tank? 4) The autopsy shows she nearly had no blood , how did that happen? 5) It was almost impossible for her to fit through the hatch opening to the water tank - how did that happen?

[@cathyd74]

I think she would have fitted through the hatch easily judging by photos of the tank

[@lelenny7725]

a vampire hacked the security system, drank her blood, then turned into a giant bat and dropped her in the tank

[@icantthinkofausername4553]

There is a fire escape that leads to the roof that can be accessed by the public. She was already decaying so I'd assume postmortem livivity had occurred, I'm no expert so I'm not sure weather it happens In water. Postmortem livivity is the pooling of the blood after death during decay. If the water was brown as mentioned by the guests, maybe that's why?

[@lachesisatropos5139]

@@icantthinkofausername4553 Wrong.

[@lachesisatropos5139]

@@cathyd74 , negative

[@TheJayLordx]

Really interesting and respectful insight dude. Such a strange, tragic case.

[@mendozarodriguez4195]

I couldnt believe a hotel with such a history doesnt have a good camera system. So they protect certain people ...

[@GreenBananaz]

My mum suffers with bipolar disorder & over the years she has had many hallucinations & heard voices. It’s actually so sad to watch the cctv

[@DATStupidArtist]

Keep in mind, there’s a few instances where she spoke but her mouth was suddenly blurred or glitched out

[@charlyy7958]

Yeah creepy

[@Synsir0]

Honestly if you haven't noticed at the end of the footage, the third time the elevator opened, the background was orange. I think this was supposed to be the water

[@watchmeeatfatbellydancer5864]

You did such a good job at breaking her behavior down. The fact that the footage has breaks in it tells us it was messed with. We are only seeing what they want us to see.

[@mygeekspace6912]

Why is the CCTV time/date counter blurred? It also looks like the video has been slowed down a little and edited at one point.

[@callherfoofoo]

There's a whole minute missing from the video smh

[@karlypearl9701]

Super creepy. After the doors close there is a strange whitesh blur that moves out of the elevator when it opens. It really looks like they edited a person out of it. This reminds me of Kanika Jenkins

[@tarisacowgill3183]

The video was edited due to "people walking past"

[@AnneOhn123]

She was bi polar and on meds... her sister even said she often was delusional and thought someone was following her... so she definitely had a psychotic episode that evening....

[@TheHaratashi]

Possibly, but we can't know for sure.

[@lensykabog8333]

Then how come she easily entered at the roof which is so restricted? And how come that the Tank cover at the top were properly closed while she's inside??

[@stephanim2436]

I'm not judging her family at all....BUT I'm just saying I have a daughter Elisa's age and NEVER would I have been ok with her traveling by herself with that medical history. That's like offering her up to Psychos on a sliver platter.No way! Sorry!

[@troubledsole9104]

@@lensykabog8333 If she were paranoid enough she could have done it. To get to the roof, she would have to climb a fixed ladder though the fire escape. It is plausible. Could she have closed a 20 lb horizontal door ? With enough adrenaline, maybe if she was frightened enough.

[@atr0phaneura726]

@@troubledsole9104 she didn't even close it, just opened it to get inside

[@gio_ayala23]

She was playing the elevator game, where you go to each floor and something paranormal should be happening.

[@allieh3444]

Wow I loved hearing your take on this!! It's always frustrated me that they've never released the full footage and that the time stamps are messed up! and didn't check the tanks to begin with, been waiting for someone else to bring these things up. Thanks as always Derek. LA PD has some explaining to do

[@MysticalEducator]

i feel like when she was doing the had movements, she was trying to wonder what was wrong with her fingers that the elevator wasn't working

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

I’ve hallucinated before from being overmedicated, and her hand movements in the beginning look exactly like what I did.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

Btw, when I was having those hallucinations, I thought there were tiny worms in my carpet in my living room. I was trying to interact with them. 😬

[@1616jaime]

Like when your tripping balls

[@bethflynn4278]

Here's a thought, couldn't she have walked up the inside staircase?

[@xIIIQueenOfSwordsIIIx]

There would still be footage of her somewhere to confirm it.

[@robynsparkles420]

@@xIIIQueenOfSwordsIIIx they didnt haven cameras on all the floors they barely had any at all

[@whitneylee9590]

Or she could have taken the OUTSIDE stair case. Which would have had NO video footage.

[@Irishlen64]

What I think happened is she was sexually assaulted when she was having one of her episodes and someone took advantage of her. They then killed her to keep her quiet. She was found naked in the water tower. When a person has a manic episode they can become very sexually pre-ocupied sometimes.

[@adarachrist]

Bipolar 1 doesn't make u hallucinate.

[@traceyrobinson1438]

It was confirmed that the footage was tampered with so in my mind it's foul play. They even said that she could only access the roof with staff keys. Cool breakdown, and I agree that she heard something. Anybody know what is on the right side of this elevator. She was last seen with two men. I don't understand how it's easier to believe she killed herself than to deal with the facts.

[@mikehunt4986]

No, you could also access the roof through the fire escape. Also, I believe that those two men were employees of the bookstore she had gone to that day who accompanied her because the books she bought that day were too heavy for her to carry. (They were in a box.)

[@TheBigDBandito]

I don't think it was confirmed that the video was tampered and anyone could reach the roof using the fire escape. The two men were not an interesting lead because I believe that they were seen leaving the hotel. I really think that she was just not in the right state of mind as she was not taking her medication properly. This truly is tragic.

[@misswhite2171]

The men where giving her something from the bookstore. They left and they weren't seen on the camera again. She was bipolar, She was off her meds and having a manic episode.

[@CowSaysMooMoo]

@@TheBigDBandito The mere fact that the timestamp is obscured shows that the video was tampered with. Obscured time stamps are not 'a thing'

[@jakeetschannel2031]

@@TheBigDBandito the footage was tampered with.

[@decimdekimu1413]

Your videos not only entertain me bit teach me about body language (something i sucked at noticing). Nice one man!

[@vetsarah11]

My thoughts as to her actions the first time I watched this footage was that she didn't understand why the door didn't close. All of her movements seem to indicate that she was trying to trigger a sensor of some type that would cause the door to close. I actually do look out of the elevator to see if anyone else is going to enter before the door closes. I always hope they don't for some reason. I initially thought her over-exaggerated arm movement when pressing the buttons looked like something I would do when intoxicated. I vaguely remember her writing something in her blogs that she was completely open and exited to meet new people while she was there. Maybe that's why she was up on that floor. Whatever the case may be, what the outcome was for her is heartbreaking.

[@weirdzigs9522]

I agree

[@Marcus-ru1ht]

Omg me too lol. I would be spamming the close button before anyone enters.

[@jakeetschannel2031]

Remember she isn't wearing her glasses here, not sure if that could have added to her confusion and why she pressed all the buttons, not knowing which one was which?

[@ATiM-]

Good job on explaining here body language! Very interesting!

[@dojahboyC]

i think i might have caught something what if she didnt even realize she pressed the door hold button? what if she thought somebody outside opened the door when in reality she did it. what if she thought somebody had the door open and was playing with her or messing with her and it was actually her and it drove her even more mentally unstable and is why she killed herself. thats just what i see unless they show the other videos so we can really piece it together. To me their hiding something not showing the videos that always makes me wonder

[@Black_Magic_Woman]

Clever thought. In a high anxiety state , one would behave the same way.

[@HumanimalChannel]

Yes, absolutley could be the case.

[@HumanimalChannel]

@Your Favorite Sociologist drowning ... I've seen people drowning... do you know what... it's... bizarre. The weird calm the shit down, the stasis the person goes In to. Dying isn't easy it's a big thing to die. But .drowning is still a possibility... as in .. without foul play Its a great point, about the doors staying open because of Elisa standing over the threshold

[@helio68]

Yep that's probably what happened

[@lyndiem1847]

When she unknowingly hitting the door hold button and her mental state at the time; it triggered her into state of paranoia ... yikes. The most likely theory of what happened. So tragic 😔 also she may have been actually talking to someone in the hall about the elevator when she was gesturing and they directed her to the stairs or the fire escape. That may be why there is a break in the footage due to privacy because who wants to be “tried” in the public when you may have been the last person to see her.