Elite: Dangerous - "Flight Assist Off Training" Beginner Proficiency #1

[@biglogie680]

i feel like this man is my sensei and the space station is my dojo

[@Cypher652]

Think we should form a squadron called Cobra Kai

[@MrHank_]

yeah kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@jambothejoyful2966]

Your space sensei

[@JazzRadioFfm]

@@Cypher652 cobra kai mk3

[@selfactualizer2099]

Just skip to asteroids

[@MLB9000]

Awesome vid. Reminds me of learning to fly a helicopter. My instructor would often get me to fly out to the ‘H’ which was in the centre of a big circle of mowed grass in the middle of the airfield and fly around it with the nose of the aircraft pointing inwards. Then he’d make me switch up to hovering the other way and flying with the tail facing the middle of the circle. This was all made a bit more challenging by the fact that the wind would push you around quite a bit and any corrective input on the controls always required a counter input on the other two controls. As you mentioned the trick was to make very small inputs which required smaller corrections.

[@TamasKalman]

100% same experience!

[@DerekMoore82]

People who have no experience with this don't realise the skill that's on display here, wow. But what I really wanted to remark on is how good your presentation is: cinematography for the recording, sound quality etc.

[@thalesank]

This gameplay style adds sooooo much to the game; the feeling of really being in almost complete control of the ship makes every little flight maneuver an achievement, and this tutorial is helping me enjoy this aspect so much more. Thanks man.

[@nunyabusiness8538]

the flying in this game kicks every other space sims ass so much 😂

[@XxsteamerxX]

Making me rethink my bindings. Having played only just under 1000hrs, I've been wanting to go FAO for some time. I've only gotten to landing on some low G planets, but I still use FA on to get it stabilized most times. I also would do FAoff in asteroid rings to search for mother lodes because I could boost then swing my ship around in several directions while scanning to find as many as possible in the time I was looking. But I would cheat by gliding just above or below the plane of the belt so I wouldn't have to dodge all those nasty rocks. Like I said I will have to rethink some bindings because my head look analogue is the same as my thruster lateral/vertical (no track IR). I do have another analogue that only has thrust forward and back on it that I can swap for head-look and just use the other analogue for thrust lateral/vertical which in turn I can just use the main throttle for thrust forward/back like I have it set for anyway, I just use the analogue during landing in stations because it always returns to zero. I'm going to start practicing more.

[@XxsteamerxX]

...And this is what I thought I would be doing when I first got this game. I fully intended to go FAoff right away thinking it wouldn't be that hard... Boy was I wrong. Gonna get back into it

[@XxsteamerxX]

Been a little over a month and I am proud to say that I am 99.89% FA Off. It was very hard at first but muscle memory kicks in after a while and my brain has adjusted to making small adjustments instead of constantly over correcting. I don't think I even went through all of your proficiency before I really got the hang of it. I flew to San Tu, bought a Sidewinder and crashed around a bit until I started to get nausious. I started to dream in FA Off. So I took about a week off. When I came back to it and started to just mine and collect mats for engineering an exploring Phantom I realized that I was already doing it. I'm landing better... even on a 1.3G planet that I didn't take the time to take note of. I kissed the ground, recovered and landed with 11% hull. THAT'S A WIN. I'm still not nearly as smooth as our sensei here. But the only time I turn it on is when collecting mats from High emissions drop zones (dropping the session and rejoining brings you back in FA On. I found it faster to just leave it until that site times out.)

[@XxsteamerxX]

My re-binding worked like a charm. Much better than before. The throw on the Virpil throttle is larger than all the other throttles I had before, and I have the controls chair mounted instead of desk mounted so I decided to go throttle forward and reverse instead of forward only using a button option to switch to reverse. This gives me only half the range and I can still use all the buttons and switches comfortably on the throttle.

[@Neutronic01]

You gotta give credit to those who use FA off all the time. These guys really understand how normal ships would work in space.

[@brnddi]

Except for the whole maximum speed part :-)

[@noosebrother]

i have the spatial awareness of a potato so FAon by default XD

[@ryanbroos5143]

@@noosebrother 🤣

[@thfreakinacage]

@@brnddi Anybody else been playing long enough to remember the FAO boost trick? They removed this a while back but your ship has a maximum speed right, and then a maximum boost speed. When you boost, the ship returns to normal max speed. In older versions you could boost, then turn flight assist off and you'd hold that boost speed until you turn it on again.

[@Jordan-pk8mp]

@@thfreakinacage that's how space actually works.. technically there should be no max speed for ships. just acceleration differences.

[@sym667]

I've been playing the game for a few days and I didn't even know that there was such a feature you could switch off, but having studied physics, it seems to me the only sensible way to play it, now! Thanks also to your really nice guide! Thanks a lot!

[@BoardGameClub]

Once you go back to FA On, it’s like you’re flying in a straight jacket

[@korrectmethod]

Learning FA off is difficult but it's nice when it "clicks" in your head. I had a few moments like that. I went from tumbling through space, to tumbling in space but in the right direction, to over controlling so it looked like a mad drunk person trying to dock, to finally realizing small corrections and just relaxing on the controls overall made for a swan like grace.

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

Man you make it seem so simple, following the outer ring of the station I always drift away then I over correct and smack on the station. *EDIT:* After sticking with it for a few days I am starting to get the hang of it, I found that flying the length of the station and going between the struts (yes the space is massive between them) makes it more fun after you get bored of the tethering exercises and if you smack against the station and spin around it's good practice for regaining control. Also shows you how important lateral/vertical thrusters are

[@XxsteamerxX]

That's what I found. When I got bored with the exercises, I just went and did things I needed to do like mine for a mission or engineer a ship and go to different planets trying to land. After, I would fly nap of the earth for a while and through canyons before taking off back up into space. Couple times I boosted straight into the surface to go KaBlammo but it taught me my limits. Combat is infintely better, even though I don't prefer combat, but I found I don't lose the ship from my sights anymore.

[@JohnJonesRocketCity]

I’m fixing to buy elite dangerous and I have a strong background with flight sim and fpv racing and I currently have rudder pedals and thrustmaster warthog hotas. This video answers a lot of questions I had about the flight model and how much freedom that model provides. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

[@XxsteamerxX]

Next on my wishlist are a set of rudders. I use a twist grip on the Kosmsima VKB grip. Use it a lot. I feel it would be a lot easier on a set of rudder pedals. But the realism is what I bought ED for. Enjoying my new found freedom of FAOff for a little over a month now. Now when I do use FAOn, if find it so stiff an unforgiving. I actually hate it.

[@adamw.8579]

This flight sim habits are also my problem. Flight with FA is very similar to aircraft behavior ... FAO is very different pair of shoes. Full Newton physics.

[@cmdrelizamcdougal6914]

Greetings, Cmdr. Hobbs! Finally I have to gratulate to this marvelous FAOff-Training-Series! You are my flight-instructor, who really tought me how to fly without flight assist and it really works! Really great work! Everytime, someone in my squadron asks me, how I managed to fly without FA, I recommend your video-series. So far no complains came back. ;) Thank you so much for introducing us into the "Magic of FAOff"!!! A totally new and natural flight-experience!

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you Commander McDougal. Glad you’re enjoying it!

[@matfly4832]

Every time I hit that button, I feel like I drank 60 oz of Tequila and just stood up too suddenly.

[@ArtTiller]

Wolf, You brought a smile to my face this evening. Watching your FA off training took me right back days as a check airman for a very large helicopter company. Flying the Agusta 109E helicopter is a big challenge for the average pilot with SAS off. (Stability Augmentation System) Most are uncomfortable flying and hovering with SAS off. I always made it a point to teach my students to hover and maneuver with SAS off. Sideways, backwards, pivot the tail rotor about a point. That sort of thing. You were doing exactly the same thing in your video. OUTSTANDING!

[@CMDRArsenCross]

This is easily the best FAO tutorial that I have seen. I love the separation into specific exercises. I look forward to seeing more content from you.

[@marcustullius6680]

After 3k+ hours in this game, all ranks, ships, engineering mods etc., I just made my first FA off landing on station and I feel myself like a complete noob :) Thanks guys. BTW landing on rotating station was much easier with heavy combat fitted Anaconda than with smaller ships. The mass of the ship forgives a lot of mistakes.

[@selfactualizer2099]

Medium and up is easy for fa off, But a sidewinder that can't be hit is dangerous

[@JonAcostaArt]

Duuuuude....I'm a professional concept artist / illustrator who plays ED. When I'm working, I keep KZbin running in the background, often on ED videos. I've run the Obsidian and Yamiks gamuts as well as a ton of others....started running out of ED topics to keep my brain running during art production. Today, I came across your channel and your excellent training videos! I used to play Eve and there were some great folks dedicated to training new combat players in-game but I always thought this game needs that badly. I'm a dedicated explorer (for past 4 years), half way through Pioneer rank now with the intent of picking up combat after Elite exploration rank. Your videos are so professionally narrated, succinct and eloquent. I've ALWAYS wanted to become a FAO pilot so I can't wait to employ your videos soon as I start dedicating time to combat. Cheers! Btw, just a bit of silly talk here: if you try to pronounce "FAO" in Spanglish, it sounds like "feo" which means "ugly" lol CMDR JonAcosta www.artstation.com/jacosta

[@boyohazard]

*Watches episode of Battlestar Galactica* "Ah! Now those Vipers don't have Flight Assist at all! I can do that!" *Hops into Viper in Elite Dangerous* COVAS: "Flight assist off" *Spins wildly out of control, crashes into everything and is sent to insurance screen* COVAS: "Flight Assist on" And now I am here watching your video series!

[@kevinhewitt6134]

Cheers for making this guide I turned f.a off last night and now i know where im going wrong

[@Maniac3020]

I find picking up stuff with my cargo scoop with FA off is great practice for the fine inputs needed for such flying. I can't do it in combat yet, but I can reliably dock at a spinning station without much difficulty. I use a dual joystick with pedals setup. Configuring the toe brakes for "Flight Thrust" allows me to make small FA off inputs without moving my hand to my throttle, and having two full joysticks allows finer precision. I found a program called Joystick Curves, it really helps with the small inputs, and reduces overcorrection. It's also improved my handling of interdictions, as I tend to flail a bit during those.

[@curryinahurry3730]

This is awesome. Just doing these exercises for a few minutes made me way more capable of controlling my ship in fao, especially in combat. Feels like a whole new game.

[@phuturephunk]

Nicely done! I like the fact that FA off essentially brings real physics (mostly) back into play when you don't have a 'down' defined by a gravity well.

[@TheAlcoholic27]

It's people like you that make the ED community so great. Thank you for sharing.

[@adamgerald849]

I love how much depth there is to this game. I wish I'd started playing years ago at its peak.

[@DNH17]

For whatever reasons I share the same perception of you , but it is great to start right now. I am. in last months started playing in co-op with RP and it's great. With all the accent on depth and complexity.

[@Josephkerr101]

It can come back so long as the devs keep it fresh and recently we are getting some fresh.

[@DNH17]

@@Josephkerr101 fresh stuff means mechanics. Features systems, not the usual fuss that average gamer believes to be content, that is drugs useless stuff

[@Element0145]

Your transitions are legit 👌

[@mrhumans6453]

I was following along thinking, man I have the basics down well enough. Then you blew my mind with the last two asteroid exercises. And this is video one... Good stuff.

[@reptar1098]

Just started, I've been playing this for 2 weeks non stop. This is so cool

[@collincivish8962]

Half a decade later, I would just like to thank you for this wonderful resource. I'm looking forward to putting these exercises to good use once I get back to my HOTAS. It's a nearly a crime these videos don't have more views and likes. They'd be EXCELLENT for the community.

[@JonTaRW84]

Super good videos, I'm a keyboard and mouse user and gonna try to learn FAOFF, mainly for combat and my ultimate goal is to learn how to outmanouvering the hardest NPCs with my vulture and F-D-L. Are your training forums still active?

[@beowulfschmidt6031]

This is very helpful. The notion of divorcing oneself from the notion that where the ship points is where one is going is one of the most useful I've heard so far. Subscribed on the basis of this video alone. :)

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you! I'm hoping to have the next video for this series or next week. I need to do some graphics for it to explain some of the concepts. Thank you again for your comment.

[@Veebat]

Hey man I know this is two years old and all but I have just returned to the game after four years and have been using your training. This type of flying has changed the feel of this game entirely and I feel Way more in tune with my ships in just the past week of running these early exercises. I even started filming some of my training. I sure do bounce off the station a lot at first but I can feel certain skills melting into intuition. Thanks for this.

[@replay_pete]

Thank you sir. It was kind of easy to understand that for me though as I already have some experience playing Kerbal Space Program. I didn't even know that all these Newtonian laws do work in Elite too. I love it!

[@moxenwolf1020]

KSP is an excellent game!

[@andysonofbob2599]

Superb! I love the use of 'tethering' the ship to rotating objects. A great why to get the feel for the ship in FA Off.

[@deminted4ever]

Wow one of the best ED tutorial vids.. Thanks man! Nicely done.. I am a noib to this game.. I will be watching all of these vids but will revisit when i feel ready for this.. I am such a noob only been play about 2 weeks but feel i am learning pretty quickly. First of all i DID do training missions first and i also watched youtube begginner tutorials about basics for UI and controls and Navigation etc.. Thanks so much for you and off tubers like you helping the ED community thrive!

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you for the comment deminted4ever! It means a lot to me to hear that I'm helping.

[@Wylie288]

So you are alive! You have plans on making intermediate videos or are those still something you just want to do?

[@marcmacinnis6610]

I'm hooked, this is a completely different game for me now. GREAT tutorials it really explained it and got me in the headspace for doing this

[@Monody512]

I really love the newtonian and non-facing-dependent moving aspects of FAO, and I’d totally use it… except it’s impossible with a mouse. Wish I could disable translational assist but keep rotational.

[@mannydib]

Great video. You're a natural at making informative videos with a clear calming voice. Its always nice to find gaming videos without that obnoxious fake enthusiasm ( "HEY GUYS, HUH HUH, WHATS UP! WERE GONNA LEARN FA OFF TODAY WOO HOO!!!") thats too comon IMHO Keep up the good work.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you!

[@astroknott5877]

Thanks so much for these tutorials. I have been playing Elite for a couple years now and I feel like a new player going through the exercises. Still trying to master a lot of this. My dogfighting has improved considerably already.

[@sidrat2009]

This is a great way to make Elite Dangerous Fun Again. This is flying mastery at its core. Perhaps a toggle button to switch between analogue directional thrusters would be a good idea? Also the YT algorithm is really slow as I should have seen this video in 2018 at least. Regardless I've not even dabbled in flight assist off outside of combat and that's only because the AI usually likes to play jousting games unless you can get a good lateral sweep on them to remain on target. Yes I turn FA back on once in sight again, if they're still alive after a few passes I've already got their pattern and am orbiting them until they blow up. Which is a lot easier now I'm flying an engineered Fed Corvette with beam lasers. I really hope you're still playing and your community is awesome.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you! And yeah I just started up again after a couple year hiatus.

[@JustinC._]

Six year old video but new for me. Im a beginner to Elite, only a few weeks of playing. This is extremely helpful. Thanks for sharing.

[@jaybruce593]

I play elite in VR with a dual stick setup I am developing modifying a pair of VKB Gladiator MK2's which have twist axis' this giving me six axis under my two hands. I'm triple elite and I'm now starting to play with FAOFF and last night was the first I tried these exercises in my vulture, and I found it very very soothing. Afterwards I kept getting little flashbacks like you do when you spend the night with a new girl, your tutorials are changing 100% FAOFF from something that intimidates me to something that relaxes me, thank you so much for these.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thanks Jay for your nice comments.

[@SgtAwesome97]

Watching this to get a better grasp on cold orbiting in regards to ax combat, and the more I watch these FA off videos, the more I realize SC got it right with the vector indicator.

[@IsraeliDino]

Dude, you are amazing...seriously. Clear and concise explanations, masterful ability and demonstration, I really would not be surprised to hear you are a flight instructor or instructor in general of some sorts in the real world! Heck, I'd count on it! Simply exemplar, stellar teaching. Hahaha thanks so much for the video series, can't wait to improve my FAO flying with my new twin stick setup!

[@moldiworp9143]

That tethering... what the absolute fuck, that was incredibly smoooooth. That in itself was indicative of amazing talent. Good job, Commander.

[@LordBifMusic]

I discovered FA Off recently and I can't believe I missed that feature for that long, I feel I'm discovering the game for the second time, and I love that feeling. I just got myself a good joystick, perfect time to learn more about FA Off. I can't imagine to do everything like that for now, especially dog fights, but your videos are surely excellent to learn more about it and practice at least. Great work CMDR!

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you Lord Bif Music!

[@jackofallgods7764]

mouse and keyboard will be more accurate and smooth with fa off. In settings turn on relative mouse for x and y axis and increase that to mid to high on the sensitivity. Its horrible control in super cruise and with fa on but before switching it back turn fa off and see how easy it is to fly in it. Its effortless almost for average skilled pilot. But once you go into supercruise your pitch and yaw will be horrible

[@ianyboo]

You just blew my mind I've been playing for months and didn't even know this was possible I can't wait to get home and try it! It kind of reminds me of flying my Quadcopter in Acro mode as opposed to self level. Hopefully the skills Translate...

[@DanutSoare]

This is the one of the best tutorial in ED I ever seen. I'll wait for the next next one.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you!

[@davidpetrol7870]

Perfect trainer voice. I'll give it a shot 😃

[@bedrockraptor5534]

well... I did this in a T10, it didn't go well

[@johnterpack3940]

This is the first flight video I've seen that actually offered techniques for practicing. Thanks for that. I can't try it until I get a new joystick though. My current one is soy-based. By which I mean it's hyper-sensitive and leans to the left.

[@stirlinggreer]

lmao

[@PurpleFringe]

Excellent. Practising this will give me a whole new dimension for ED.

[@thomnath1]

This is insane and I really appreciate the skill you’re trying to teach

[@gammarage3535]

Thank you man! I’ve been playing for years and I’ve been missing this. Once I started going PVP I realized flight assist off is essential. I have much to learn. When I head home I’m grabbing my sentimental sidewinder and getting to work.

[@DustySquitoNM]

Holy crap, this is awesome. I've seen some combat tutorials that quickly brushed on the "FA/OFF" thing, but never something that was as thorough as this. I can't wait to check out the rest of them.

[@jb3454]

Thanks for the video man. Been about a year since I've played. My ps4 broke a year ago and I finally just bought an xbox one with the hotas one. This video really helped me out

[@adamross2256]

Recently picked up a x52 HOTAS. I wasn't able to make sense of assist-off with kb/m. With the stick, I feel a lot more connected to the ship. And with that connection, it reminded me of the brief stint I had in helicopter flight school. Especially hearing the cautioning of overcorrection in the video. Very useful information!

[@jowilson5581]

I've dabbled in FA off here and there but was never very good at it. tonight I got a wild hair and started seriously drilling using this series. I was able to tether to a station rock solid after about an hour of practice, and it sounds silly but it's the most fun I've had with elite to date. lol I'll be drilling at the San Tu tunnels next! very good vids

[@drumbri]

New sub new player- Thank you for your time and talent. This is an amazing and perfect video for me right now. So much to learn in elite dangerous. Your instructional videos are some of the best information I have found. Cheers!🍻

[@sombient]

Look, I realize this video is 3 years old... but I've only been flying for a few weeks now.... And after watching the flight in "Green Elk" I realized I was missing out on something in Elite. I'm about to log in and the first thing I'm doing is turning FA off and am going to spend the night learning my orbits.

[@PeglegNav]

Dude hands down one of the best training videos I've seen for F.A.O. cant wait to learn more.

[@lordzuzu6437]

When I read the wikipedia article about elite I learned about the two game mechanics in elite dangerous, the arcade one and the newtonian mechanics one. That completely blew my mind, and from now on I'll only play flight assist off.

[@satoriwabisabi]

This video is the best video about how to fly better. i dont doubt these exercises will make anyone a much much better pilot. Thank you.

[@wraith444]

My first time trying flight assist off I was absolutely awful. Then I went into an asteroid field and just sort of danced around between the asteroids. No particular destination, no direction, just maneuvering around between them, sometimes deciding to fly a few circles around one while pointing at the center, other times trying to slot between them while facing "up" or "down" with respect to my direction of travel... The more I did it the more it sort of clicked in my head and it just started to feel natural and right. It's been a good couple years since I played E:D, but watching your video and remembering what it felt like hunting bounties in my Viper really makes me want to pick it back up again.

[@Hotdog6606]

It might sound counterintuitive, but to me the best way to "ease" into FA off is cold orbiting thargoid interceptors. It doesn't require as much precision but will teach you a lot

[@thalesank]

After 8 months, I've finally bought a Used Thrustmaster HOTAS and now I am ready to start this Course again. I had to give up because my previous Joystick was too old and broken for me to finish this Tutorial. I look forward to Completing this course and joining the squad.

[@nicolatogni4996]

Don't remember exactly how I stumble upon this, but now I definitely want to know about how to train my FAOFF skills, which for now are about 0! Playing Elite since last summer, tried FAOFF last night for the first time and it was both scary and fun! And I must say, when I turned the assist on it was like my ship was placed on some space rails. Weird feeling. I only flew around an Ocellus starport, messing around and flying through its rings. Thanks for this great tutorials, I'll surely watch them all and try to learn, I'm also thinking about asking to join the group, but maybe after some practice. Fly safe!

[@bluidguy4007]

Honestly, I think flying is the feature I have neglected most in this game, I just got to a good station so I think I'm going to try this next time I get on thank you for the video.

[@lakebenjamin3491]

This video is absolutely perfect. As soon as i get done with my stuff today i'm going to do everything talked about.

[@MJohnnyN]

Hey, your bird is beautiful, CMDR. I can't watch the entire video at the moment, (Will later) but really, that Sidewinder is purrrrty.

[@TheHongKongHermit]

Excellent video, and lovely presentation. In (checks clock) 4.5 days I finally get into space on PS4, and I'm planning to start out with flight assist off from day one. I may fail at it, but I want to try. Elite Dangerous is the space game I've been waiting my entire life for, so I'd rather put in the extra effort to master it, or explode a lot in the attempt.

[@sawyerlawler2489]

So essentially FAOFF = Tokyo drift In space... that's fucking awesome. Great video! I'm getting the game on ps4 soon and this is gonna be a huge help

[@lb21a]

"Newton's Gambit" i really like that

[@snowylynx36]

This is great. My only training in FAO is flying full tilt through an asteroid field and hoping I make it. maybe I should try this.

[@obi1unome]

Excellent video mate! Looking forward to the next one

[@Scrub_Ghost]

Excellent video. I've seen others that suggest the same thing. One thing I would like to see added is a graphical overlay that shows what thrusters you are using at any one time (if possible)

[@SonnyinPhx]

Outstanding video and outstanding flying skills! This is not something that comes overnight, but with much seat time...I am wanting to start FAO flight, and this video gives a great training guide to learn.

[@Church_of_the_SubGenius]

Your succinct and informative delivery is really amazing. I would love to know your mapping on the X52. I imagine it is extremely efficient. Thank you for your hard work, Commander.

[@cervantes01]

Awesome video, very informative, I will be watching out for future videos by yourself, well done.

[@SenseiJacksama]

i may not ever be an FA off player 100% of the time like you but i do need to learn FA off for fighting at least. thargoids are very difficult to hit because in FA off my aiming skills are garbage especially when trying to snipe a thargon swarm from 4KM away. Your excercise where we had to orbit the station.... yeah i watched that thinking psht that looks easy AF... nope... nope not easy at all. it was actually very difficult. its good to now have a training excercise to do each day that can help me. after doing that for about 30 minutes i stopped and went mining in my anaconda flipped my FA off and i was really really very surprised at how much more control i had over my ship. im not a complete novice at FA off but im hardly in the realm of good with it either. i look forward to seeing the rest of your videos. thank you for taking the time to post these lessons. o7

[@mhopkins7954]

This just opened up a whole new tier of game play, thank you. Subbed! o7 PS just realized an analogy is like a tank and it's turret moving independently one to another that's basically what we're doing with our ships with the assist off. It's the difference between having a car with machine guns mounted to the front versus a Humvee with a machine gunner on top....guess who wins?

[@AngusThermopyle]

Excellent! It sure de-mystifies FAO for me a ton. Thanks!

[@RussDnB]

Only just seen this. Prior to this video, I only referred to the great Isonona’s FA off tutorials. Excellently described. Subbed.

[@68Snaps]

this is not a new video by all means, but it's new for me. Thanks for the awesome explanations. I just need to figure out how to configure my X56 hotas to incorporate X Y and Z thrusters on the controls. When that's done i'm off to rebuying a sidewinder and getting the FA-OFF vibe flowing ;-) Thanks for the great insight on this video (and the follow ups). One question though, we clearly see you looking in all directions during flight, so I guess you have a VR headset. How important do you think it is? Can you faoff just looking straight out the main window of your ship, or having a free headlook actually makes the whole thing possible?

[@Drawfill]

you've conviced me to give FA off a go. Its a lot easier then I remmember. Thanks for the quality guide! :)

[@redicanprime1181]

Great tutorial. Straight to the point with no time wasted. Thx!

[@themindset4164]

0:32-0:41 dude that's so cool, this is why I love this game

[@holl-we4ir]

I am trying this on Mouse and Keyboard... damn this is hard. EVERY thruster control (except mouse controls) is digital. I am busy trying to lightly tap 6 keys at once.

[@drogenfeld]

I actually initially wanted to learn it, but on mouse and keyboard, using analogue controls is just not nearly possible. That is what flight assist is for, it simulates analogue controls. You can't give half thrust with a yes or no key.

[@joesilver75]

@@drogenfeld I've bought a H.O.T.A.S. as I thought it would be ideal for mastering FA OFF. Well, for what I've seen so far, I don't think it makes it any easier. In fact, the micro-corrections are somewhat more complicated, because the analog controller is designed for continuous, incremental inputs, whilst FA OFF requires digital, short impulse corrections. Microcorrecting with the joystick means that you have to exercise the smallest amount of movement (whether for pitch, roll, or yaw) allowed by the joystick, which is much less easier to obtain than with a key pressure. By pressing a key (or a button) you cannot fail. With the joystick, you must win the spring resistance each time you try to produce a small impulse, which often results in a larger correction than needed. But it's also possible that I'm a completely rubbish pilot...

[@drogenfeld]

@@joesilver75 The point I am making is this: A button can only do on or off. You need to hit the right button the correct amount of times at the right timings. A joystick has analogue axis, which enables you to continuously adjust the trajectory of your ship without having to button smash your thruster controls and hope it'll fly the way you want. You can't do microadjustments with a on and off switch, as you always give full power. Imagine driving your car like that, your gas pedal, brake and steering are just a switch. It'd be a bumpy and stressful ride.

[@joesilver75]

@@drogenfeld Sure, but driving a car is different from flying a starship in low gravity and virtually zero air drag. On the road you must keep pushing the pedal to keep the same speed, otherwise your car will slow down and eventually stop. Also steering a car is more akin to yawing in FA mode (you keep the rotating the joystick or you will stop spinning) than with FA off, where a small digital micropush will make your ship spin forever. You really need to give frequent small microadjustments to use FA off in ED, and analog controls do not help because they are meant for gradual variations rather than small, short pushes. I'm having a hard time with my joystick, much harder than with a steam controller! I could reduce the sensitivity, but that would mean that I should make large movements to get very small corrections. And buttons are definitely better for that.

[@drogenfeld]

@@joesilver75 Once you can perfectly fly FA OFF with your keyboard, then talk about this again. Until you do, I'm not interested in pointless discussions such as this and you talking about how a car works compared to a spaceship.

[@Nabekukka]

Ok, I just stumbled upon one of Isinona's videos (Beginner's mistakes) and was quite shocked at how good he was with FA OFF, I didn't even realize at first that he's using it as his flying was just so smooth and precise. Then I saw this video on the recommended panel. I've been trying FA OFF a little when I realized what that was and that it was a thing in the game, mostly just on station approaches as it makes it much easier since a lot of the time I drop out of supercruise somewhere behind the station, so keeping the nose of the ship facing the station while flying on a parallel vector makes the whole thing just that much more easier. However, that station tethering excercise alone already convinced me that I have to start toying with it a lot more, if I can pull these off with even a reasonable degree of success, I'm gonna have a lot more fun flying.

[@TheGogofo69]

Petri Helenius Awesome avatar!

[@ChristophBurschka]

"We need to clean the solar panels; they're full of Sidewinder again" "Dammit, that's the third time this week."

[@100rando7]

Just started FAO, been a struggle but surprisingly I am improving

[@ScottSlooper]

This is excellent. Not sure I'm ready for this yet, but I have a feeling this is how these big fat ships are suddenly flipping over and destroying me when I think I've got them by the tail and just going to whittle them down from behind until they're a lump of coal. Or a cloud of mist. Or whatever it is that I actually turn into the moment they flip that big fat thing over and shoot me in the face point blank with 8 hardpoints at the same time.

[@suavevalen]

this video is absolutely awesome! Thank you for this work

[@moxenwolf1020]

+suavevalen Thank you for your comment!

[@smoadia85]

man Asteroid Gliding reminds me of Expanse when Alex gravity fling Rocinate

[@hzer12]

I thought exactly the same :)

[@Xingmey]

The most bullshit scene fron that show.... everything else was spot in. That tour eouldve taken at least 4 months...

[@barmetler]

I never actually played this game, but am really interested. I'm guessing "flight assist off" is the same as turning off inertia dampening in space engineers? as in it doesn't automatically kill lateral velocity if you press forward? That sounds like a lot of fun, once I have some time to spare, I definitely need to get into this game.

[@markfarrell6810]

Absolutely fantastic tutorial series! Wish I'd found this 1700 hours (game time) ago. lol Curious, when changing from things like station keeping and just dodging asteroids, none of these is chasing you or firing one of many weapons at you. Are we just going to rely on the fact that during FA OFF, the ship controls are actually doing what you tell them to, instead of letting the flight control system interpret your input and making clean, sanitized movements under tight control? I started using a G13 game pad that has a tiny digital stick - as you say, on-off-on, no in between. I setup two macros to do the following; MACRO1: Switch FA OFF Set main thrust to zero Apply nose up thrust to pitch the ship "up" following my joust partner When my crosshairs meet his "plane" of travel MACRO2: Switch FA ON Set main thrust to 75% And hopefully end up facing my target while they perform their flip, leaving them exposed and flat faced to my crosshairs. Trying different things, I changed MACRO2 to set main thrust to -75%, leaving me facing my target with me flying backwards and giving me more targeting time as they restart their attack. While this improved my ability to inflict damage, it had problems. I found myself colliding with too many things killing my shields and sometimes causing fines. No "backup" monitor like cars have today. lol Since then, I've been through one really bad joystick (Logitech Pro) and then purchased a Turtle Beach VelocityOne FlightStick. The controls on this are amazing. No need to calibrate as "zero" is always "zero" and there is no slop in the stick, anywhere. It comes with a full X/Y/Z main stick that has two hats. H1 is digital H2 is analog. It also comes with two independent analog "thrust" controls and a kind of strange scroll wheel. The scroll wheel can be either digital J_13^ / J_14v or analog for flight trim. I use the right thrust control for vertical thrust with a 75% deadband. There are switches at the end of each thrust control. For the left thrust I have the top switch set to BOOST and the bottom switch set to BRAKE for the SRV It also comes with an adjustable control curve setting Precision / Standard /Fast for the main flight stick. I'm going to take some time getting used to it in Standard and then begin working with FA OFF and Precision mode. Oh, and no more macros for the time being. Wish me luck. CMDR Krillion Hax o7

[@ahhotep1833]

Just what I've been looking for in the area of FA off. I'm on PS4 and Elite Dangerous will arrive wednesday! I decided after watching quite a few 'How To's" to also get the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas4...which arrives today! Also, I like your Newton's Gambit group concept and would very much like to join Newton's Gambit as well as the Inara Wing and the groups discord, ofc. All requests to join will be sent this weekend...once I've had some game start alone time with my ship. I intend to start right off with Flight Assist off and will be using your Beginner vids...which are Awesome! I thank you and all Commanders in Newton's Gambit and the Inara Wing for providing your time and expertise in helping new Commanders get their space-legs, so to speak. New sub here :)

[@BushPigADV]

As a new guy to the game, this info is GOLD! Thank you.

[@migmindy]

you really talk like an actual CFI. it's kinda wiggin me out lol, but it really helps. i appreciate this. the challenge is intense.

[@HaibaneOpera]

At last, I'm diving into flight assist off and enjoying it so far :) Still a total newbie as I'm still training on this video's exercices, but just being able to put your ship nose in a different direction than your vector is fun and feels like opening a world of possibilities. I had no problem with the asteroid field exercise as it only involves thrusters, but I struggle with the tethering exercise. I can tether to the ring but i'm constantly drifting left and right, I can correct my position for a while but can't keep a constant straight line like you do. Maybe it has to do with my joystick that has a high sensitivity? I will try to lower it and see if it helps. EDIT: I chose the lowest sensitivity profile and it's better, still drifting a tiny bit left and right but way more manageable. Thanks again for your videos, keep them coming!

[@kurushimee]

I might be late, but this is still useful! I'm a combat flight sim fella and want to get into E:D again, this time without FA

[@kellyrayburn4093]

I've always said using Flight Assist On *all the time* is not space flight. I use a hybrid. I do use Flight Assist on but for turning in combat and getting lined up to dock (and going through the slot on a rotating station when docking), off it goes. Of course, I instinctively know that attitude of ship doesn't necessarily equal direction of travel. For those who choose to use Flight Assist Off exclusively, I would highly recommend your training videos and even application for membership in your group.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you Kelly!

[@oboedins]

Your teaching style is Great! Thank you for doing this.