Elite: Dangerous - "Flight Assist Off Training" Beginner Proficiency #2

This is the second video in my Beginner series for learning how to fly without the use of Flight Assist. The lessons and exercises within represent my regiment for teaching students in Newton's Gambit (forums.frontier.co.uk/showthr.... I tend to divide beginner FAOFF skill into 5 proficiency levels. The exercises shown here in this video comprise all of the exercises for Proficiency Level #2.
If you haven't yet seen the first video in the series, please check it out here: • Elite: Dangerous - "Fl...
Update: Proficiency #3 has been released!
• Elite: Dangerous - "Fl...
Working with a Keyboard + Mouse? Check out CMDR Madrax573's FAOFF guide on KB+M setup: • My KB+M setup for FA-o...
List of FAOFF Playgrounds (in-game assets): forums.frontier.co.uk/showthr...
A last note: As with anything that requires the development of skill, it is best to just do it. Most full FAOFF Commanders, and those who aren't full FAOFF but use it regularly, didn't have guided training exercises. Rather, they created their own exercises to develop their skills. They just stuck to it, and eventually became proficient.
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[@therealbahamut]

This deserves views. I'm not even exaggerating in the slightest. This series is just eye-opening in a way that no tutorial has been.

[@Poopulan]

I find it funny that I'm basically watching a lecture series on a space sim and I'm super into it and find it super professional. Thank you!

[@dlutherc]

I was basically thinking the same thing! If only this had real world applications, but lets be honest, I still probably wouldn't apply myself as much as I do for this lol

[@hamakaze1364]

5 years later and this tutorial is still viable, tonight is my second night, I had a terrible landing in my sidewinder but I managed to land 2x in an orbiting station without even watching ep 2

[@thecriminal87]

i went to that station and wasnt like in the vid at all, do i need odissey?

[@hamakaze1364]

@@thecriminal87 no, I did it on console, that's a base station, I think found in dime imperial systems

[@thecriminal87]

@@hamakaze1364 i went to the exact spot, but couldn't find it, the moon even look different, maybe i should try in lecacy mode, i dunno. 2 out of 2 outposts i checked in the system were standard outpost

[@hamakaze1364]

@@thecriminal87 what system are you in? Maybe I can find you one

[@thecriminal87]

@@hamakaze1364 i was in san tu, same place as the video. I cheched some systems with the same kind of outpost but no luck

[@samuelboga3055]

I was a flight instructor for years early in my career and your technique and demeanor are excellent by those standards. Do you, or have you considered giving real-time flight lessons to the community? There’s probably a market out there for that.

[@nubularconniption3939]

Internet Quality Police Nobody was nice to you as a child, were they... lmao

[@loom101]

Seriously, This guy has a point, think about that pilots licence, I know I am. (Edit, I thought he was telling you to give real Flight lessons)

[@nafnist]

The good thing with seeing others get taught, rather than just being told, is their mistakes, and what to do inord r to correct it.

[@chilly22]

ok so i tried a few of your drills and i can honestly say its made the game 1000% more fun. and hard lol

[@patrickhill8494]

Maaaaan, the tunnel exercises remind me of all the Descent games before Freespace! Gave me such a nostalgia high 🤣🤘

[@ashfrodesen9126]

WOW! I can't believe how much the first set of training exercises helped me! its incredible really, you did such a great job isolating this stuff and breaking it down into bite sized chunks my brain could really quickly digest! Once I just started getting the basics of that first station tethering exercise I could just feel my subconscious starting to "click". I would try to move to another spot (like the axis) and be so sure I was going to hit something but suddenly my hands just translated "i need to go here" into thruster controls for me! it was such a surprise! I'm still a bit wobbly on my space legs, but it is soooooo far and above what I was able to do before. It was really great buzzing through the asteroid fields, swooping around and between them once I got familiar with the exercises there and decided to just play around. I'm really excited to start the next set, all docked up in the San Tu system, I'll look for the science station tomorrow. thanks again! Very excited to have passed that first hurtle I was facing, it honestly felt insurmountable which was a bummer. liked and subbed!

[@andythurlow]

Abs brilliant.... couple of hours at the scientific station and I’m already noticeably less terrible at fa off 😂 determined to crack this o7

[@satoriwabisabi]

I gotta say... Amazing video in every aspect! Ive searched flying tutorials for long time and i can tell you, the only better videos I believe are in his playlist :) not anywhere else.

[@azimabdulaziz4559]

these videos are deep, i cant help but feel like these excersizes have deeper meaning if you think about it and apply it to life

[@Cretaal]

Thank you. Whilst people are out there grinding the exploits to get the big ships with the best engineered weapons and systems, I'm spending my spend drifting asteroids, stations and canyons and getting more comfortable with FAAO mode to become a better pilot. All the guns in the world won't save you from a pilot who knows his ship. I'll log my time getting better while others do it to get bigger, and thank you so much for helping me to become the best damn pilot I can manage to be. Fly safe commander.

[@iv13ns61]

Out of all the things, out of all the videos... your sessions are BY far the best. Stay healthy.

[@rocket2739]

Happy 6th birthday to this video !! Still a reference to this day ! I just wish planets were as good-looking nowadays as they were pre-Odyssey 😭

[@Erfo7783]

Another really well made and clear chapter of your tutorials about FAOFF. More over your voice and cadence is really perfect for the job. They should hire you at frontier. I'm serious.

[@sebastiancramer1609]

Currently watching these and learning from them. They still hold true and it's so much more fun flying with faoff. Thank you Moxen for these Videos. A bit sad, that they didn't continue though.. although i guess that these take some work.

[@K41T3N]

This series has earned you a sub, good sir! Really liking your style regarding the teaching of FA off, can't wait to go try these exercises in game.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you KaiTen!

[@MadMoo1974]

The element I think CMDRs notice first once flying FA Off 'clicks', is the shear joy of flying. You know those cartoons with personified spaceships flying around and messing about, that's what it feels like! You really do feel at one with the ship. When you first embark, you think it will be too exhausting thinking about performing all the corrections just to fly. But after a surprisingly brief amount of time you stop thinking about it and you just 'do'. It's like you don't think about picking up a cup or worry about making the corrections to prevent it from spilling; the same thing happens with FA-Off! Great video once again Moxen Wolf. Regards Andy (CMDR Aweman or CMDR Darth Numpt)

[@elektra81516]

When I first played with FA off a couple days ago, switching back to FA on feels so stiff and strange to me. I always fly with it off now lol!

[@XxsteamerxX]

@@elektra81516 agreed. Even though I had so much trouble avoiding over correcting, I still couldn't tolerate FAOn anymore. Everyone I would strafe or anything it would just sit there static. I hated it. And I still need it from time to time to land especially in orbital stations and I can tell an immense difference in the way I used to land compared to now

[@XxsteamerxX]

I had the same thoughts and I w reminded of how hockey players do all kinds of maneuvers without one thought to skating

[@jonnomonodesu]

Buying the game next week and these videos have inspired me to begin the game with flight assist off. I figured straight away with driving rl you have to consider a car as a physical extension of your body, and these exercises are an awesome way of practicing this mindset in the game. Be nice dropping straight into it without having to unlearn stuff and I thank you for this excellent series.

[@stevepalpatine2828]

These are about the best FAO tutorials, thanks for taking the time to do this. I just wish you had continued it with intermediate and expert levels, but these give you everything you need really, so thanks my guy, youre the mvp

[@j1lakenan1]

I just bought elite this week and this is SOOOO cool! This kind of stuff is exactly what I was hoping would exist out here

[@miso-ge1gz]

I started with FA off 2 hours after i first started playing, i can now dock everywhere and do everrything aside from fighting. These videos are really helpful!

[@LuisCaneSec]

I like this series you're making. I've always used some FAOFF here and there but I never got proficient with it to the point where I could use it regularly.

[@Erikmafer]

just looked over to my wife and told her if she would isolate my thrusters id give her minimal input

[@generalrendar7290]

Man this is excellent! I'm slowly building a proper gaming PC and I'm really interested in trying this game. I've been looking for a good space piloting sim, and as a flight instructor this is probably the best and cheapest way for me to have fun and let loose with flying. I'm usually not a fan of grindy games but it looks like you can make your own fun at every level.

[@XxsteamerxX]

I wanted to thank you. I found your video series while out in the black 40 jumps from galactic center. I started round the exercises I could like "nap of earth" (that's what they called it in the Falcon 2.0 F16 training) and landing on planets. I didn't want to lose all the saved data I collected so I planned on self destruction once I got back to Colonia and joining the Newton's Gambit. Low and behold there was a few fleet carrier out there. So I sold my data and blew myself up. Instead of rebuying my current ship I selected a free sidewinder in my original station. Decided to fly to Nauru, but I didn't want to take 50 jumps to get there so I stopped in another system and bought another phantom to engineer and get there quicker. On the way I lined some gold for Lei Chemung and there was this fast spinning asteroid with a sub service deposit I couldn't quite match the spin, but I thought it for a good w while until the deposit disappeared. It taught me so much. I decided to call it for the night so I head out to Leesti and I get interdicticted with no weapons on my ship. I out maneuvered that NPC thanks to you and was able to deliver the gold I was even able to land a few times not pretty at all but I'm getting there. I'll be going through all the proficiency training next. You've made a great game even better for me.

[@meCelsoDantas]

Great video. Your first video made me want to improve my handling of my ship in the game. Your videos are fantastic

[@dominiqueweaver985]

These are very professional, can't wait for the next installment.

[@Ser_Xav]

This is insanely impressive piloting. Much respect. What would really help these videos is some way to visually see you inputs to allow the viewer to correlate against the main visual.

[@CMDRArsenCross]

Another beautiful piece of work Commander. I look forward to having more to digest! I've already been significantly more active with practicing FAO as a result of these videos. Even though I haven't dedicated the time to the exercises yet that clear manner in which you outline everything is spot on and makes the knowledge usable out the gate. I highly encourage you to continue creating training materials. Also quite enjoyed your tunnel flights.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you for the comment! I'm definitely having quite a bit of fun creating them and I'm really happy that it's inspiring people to go FAOff more. And yeah, those tunnels are always fun to fly :D

[@q23main]

Your videos are an inspiration! Can't wait to try these techniques at home. One thing I was missing, was the information precisely which thrusters and how intensively you use to traverse through the tunnels so smoothly.

[@littlenarwhal3914]

This video series is gold

[@SW-lc1wx]

"Welcome back, Commander, Docking request granted Welcome back, Commander, Docking request granted Welcome back, Commander, Docking request granted" People in flight control: wtf is this guy doing, he just keeps docking over and over

[@MrDeni23n]

lol. That was me about an hour ago, just before watching this. So much fun. Note: forward thrusters are much more sensitive than the other directions (ps4 controller). The flight controller just outside my landing pad now has PTSD. Edit: and now I just realized I four pips to engines.

[@theChistu]

So I've tried learning FAOFF a couple of times before, but always had trouble with overcorrection and fine adjustments. I'd been thinking about switching from my HOTAS setup to KB+M controls, and after watching your first video, I decided bite the bullet and kill two birds with one stone. Within an hour of dropping into the game, switching to a Sidey, and struggling my way out of the station, it just sort of "clicked," much like when I learned how to drive a stick shift. I'm still working on developing a KB mapping I like, but I really appreciate your tutorials, and can't wait to start practicing the level 2 exercises!

[@moxenwolf1020]

That's awesome!! Thank you for watching and commenting :D

[@Jay-fy4zy]

What specifically stopped you from using the HOTAS, if i may ask? I only have 1 joystick which I use with a keyboard and I just ordered a HOTAS. Just curious on why you switched.

[@ScarlettBussnach]

A video that's dope as hell and relaxing... Thanks man!

[@mr.highschoollocksmith6080]

Directions unclear, pirates attacked, fines have been incurred, and I was almost blown up.

[@bashndead]

Just started yesterday and boi this is fun. Thank you for your work

[@jb3454]

Damn glad you posted this. This place is exactly where I need to go to get my FAOFF maneuvering down especially for dog fighting

[@JohanIsraelsson]

Thank you for putting this out, and good job! I'll definitely use your material to learn FA off.

[@michaelknight2897]

I think one of the core issues is that flight controls are not designed for assist off. They are designed for traditional flying.

[@ablebaker8664]

Excellent exercise based tutorial.

[@odo6857]

your movies are like pearls at bottom of the sea... thanks for opening my mind.

[@Rayttosh]

Thanks for making these awesome videos.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you Pathfinder!

[@rokasas9882]

best training while the ships transfer between stations! thank you!

[@zinkem2]

Top notch sir. very well paced and explained. through all the FA off instructional videos this is by far may favorite. you are explaining the concepts and providing feedback on what we'll experience. this has not yet been done in other videos.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thanks for the comment Donnie!

[@DustySquitoNM]

I'm 100% sure it isn't as easy and fluid as you make it look. A point that I will prove by trying this out when I get off work today.

[@Orb8Ter]

Cool training I just time to try it out now 😎

[@ojciecvaader9279]

I'm fascinated :)... I started practicing today, but I think a joystick will work much better than mouse... It's hard, but It should be like that, so if you master this, you will feel satisfaction... Great tutorials, thank you

[@TheRationalPi]

I had no idea that flight assist off could be so fluid! I'm new to the game, and my first complaint was "Why do these starships feel like planes?" I'm going to go straight to learning FAOFF, and experience the game in what seems like the most rewarding way.

[@bshpev]

God damn, you make it look so easy but then i try it with my mid-level mouse/keyboard setup and i'm like "WOOOOAAOAOAAAH!" found a neat set-up tutorial for mouse-keyboard with FA-OFF, so hopefuly that'll save me some tears. Saving up for some dual-sticks so it'll probably be good to get a "feel" for the moving around before I get'em... I seriously want FA-OFF in my skill-set soo bad though. I've always worked on toggling it off for turning in dogfighting, and that helps way more than it sounds like it would, but this is another level. I can see the moves in my head. The sick curves and vectors that you can move in while NEVER taking your eyes off the thing you're murdering is sooo enticing. Meanwhile, everyone's flying like a plane and they think they're fancy if they can fly backwards XD great vids btw!

[@DanutSoare]

Amazing tutorial series! It's so easy when I see your flight but so hard when I have to apply your teachings :) (Sorry about my poor english). Another question: do you use Hotas ?

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you for watching and commenting! Yes I do use a HOTAS (x52 Pro) :D

[@dylong8689]

Still trying to figure this out on console, thanks for the videos!

[@rescue1405]

Hello Mr. Moren Wolf. Your videoes are so helpful. Thank you very much for helping us to be better in Fligh Assist Off :) Greetings from Norway

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you Tommy B!! I've never been to Norway but I've always wanted to go sometime.

[@rescue1405]

Moxen Wolf Oh Norway is a nice and peaceful place on this planet :) I wonder, will you stream Elite Dangerous sometime?

[@moxenwolf1020]

I used to stream here and there but now I much prefer just making static videos. When I was streaming I always had an issue paying attention to the chat and monitoring to see if someone was asking a question. I found that, for me, it kind of broke my immersion in the game. I do love watching streams though.

[@rescue1405]

I see, hope you will stream sometime in the future tho :)

[@KILLERKEMOProduction]

I personally prefer fighting with FA off, now ive upgraded to a hotas these videos will definitely help with relearning how to fly

[@Recon777x]

Something I just realized. FA on and off is very similar to American shopping carts vs Australian shopping trolleys. In America, the carts have *fixed* rear wheels, meaning you push the cart forward and then steer it to go where you want. When I moved to Australia, I noticed that their carts (trolleys) have castors on both the front and rear wheels. I found this insanely frustrating at first, trying to steer the cars around the grocery store. But after _years_ I have gotten used to it and you have to treat the things very much like you treat a ship with FA off. The direction of travel really has nothing to do with where the "front" is facing.

[@cuanticomc]

This has to be in the game tutorial

[@deeo4888]

MAAAAN youre awsome i personally think fdev should def hire you to make a nice flight assist off tutorial, your method is awsome

[@oneofdavidsmightymen]

What type of control do you use? I find these the best FAOFF videos of all and have been trying it off and on (excuse the pun) in combat for some time but have improved my skills in the science installation immensely thank you for your time and effort

[@Cretaal]

I have to say one thing though about the first video. I was having a hard time with the notion of anchoring until I actually thought about the physics and realized that, with my nose pointed at the station, I was using the primary thruster to essentially simulate a gravitational pull towards the core, then using my lateral thrusters to get closer or to speed up and miss a collision. I don't know if you covered that way of looking at it and I missed it, just thought it was an interesting notion to share.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Well done CMDR!!! I have this (and a graphic to go with it) on the slate for the next video, Proficiency #3, because the one tethering exercise in #3 is much more difficult if you don't think of it in this way. But you beat me to it! Very well done! Keep thinking like that and you will be a stellar FAOFF Commander! Hint for the Proficiency #3 exercises: The tethering exercise in #3, and indeed the only exercise using the Primary Thruster in that level, is performed on the inside of the exterior ring of an Orbis station.

[@Cretaal]

I've played a lot of kerbal and I'm a space nerd, and it seemed to make sense when I realized I was trying to hit the station and veering off to avoid collision in a manner that struck an... orbit... like how the ISS strikes its orbit by going fast enough to miss the object that it's falling in towards. Just had to think of boosting towards it instead of falling and it made more sense. Same with the planet and seeing my vector as I would in kerbal. I've been taking this planetary exercise a step further and doing a sort of wave racer scenario. Keep the radar as close as I can. If I see a jump, boost at it, hug the slope, jump and do a few tricks like a back flip or a lateral rotation, or a roll and pitch tumble, then land it flat and keep going. Figured I'd tell you between eagles XD getting used to the roll and pitch tumbles still. Either way, you're inspiring me to think creatively about the physics of the game and how to play around with FA off in ways I never thought about before. Thank you. I was always jealous of Isinona and his abilities, always tried to match him. Never made sense or clicked until your video series, but I'm no longer jealous because I'm able to pull those ball-tightening maneuvers on planetary surfaces as well now. Thanks for the hand up! This is bound to open up the galaxy to me in ways I haven't yet realized. Going to be using a lot of this knowledge to go to the starter systems and keep the greifers from ganking newbies. Nobody ganks muh newbs. And who's going to expect an eagle to give them that much trouble, anyways?

[@Ser_Xav]

These videos are awesome, as is your skill, syllabus and instructional style. nice one. What would be amazing is if you had an overlay of your thrust inputs in one of these videos.

[@TrevorJones1]

Amazing video just found this channel and i have a question. I am curious if you have any thoughts on using twin sticks with FAOFF. i have 2 t-16000m's i assume you would put thrusters on left and rottaion on right, i also use racing pedals for forward and reverse thrust.

[@jazz21977]

Very interesting.. I'm mostly exploring and don't use FAOff much.. but kinda curious how ppl fly FAOff.. I have my exploration Elite.. and not much else. Wanted to get into combat.. that's how I ended up here... 6:21 never thought of it like that.. but seeing the list (the only one I could come up with myself is -> it's where the pewpew goes) It's directly obvious.. that using the primary thrusters in the way FAOn pilots do.. it gets in the way of the other 3... you can't keep aim while also trying to vector in a "traditional" sense...

[@rhedinrage1601]

2 things. First of all, this is infinitely more entertaining to fly with FAOFF for myself and those that tend to watch me as one day I'll land perfectly, the next I'll be wiggling around all over the place. FAOFF landings in big ships are an occasion to witness for sure. Second, I had a SCfanboy coming to lecture me about how Elite's Flight model sucks because it's " planes in space ".. They went pretty quiet after I told them to watch my stream instead of getting into an argument.

[@chadb2827]

Its been a while since anyone has commented, but this is a great series. I see the list of FAOFF assets, but there are a lot there. What station did you use for Proficiency #2? The one with the tunnels? TIA!!

[@user-wb7ez9ud4p]

Really inspired by a lot of these tips. Although as a keyboard player I probably won't be using FA off as my primary mode, I can see how these training methods could help even with FA on. I wonder though, is it practical to do this in a dogfight? Would it be too much mental burden to navigate your craft (often without solid reference point) AND having to worry about all the other aspects of fighting?

[@jonathancristole6074]

Thank you.

[@matthewroush1170]

I know this is an old vid, not sure if anyone's still monitoring comments...I love the presentation style, really helpful exercises, I feel like I'm in flight class! BUT one thing that's missing is HOW you are performing these maneuvers...like what inputs are you using and when? How are you combining inputs (forward thrust +upward thrust, how much of each)? Are there other videos/tutorials that go into more detail on the actual mechanics of the flight of HOW to do these maneuvers? Right now I'm practicing, but don't want to get used to doing it the "wrong" way, or making it harder than it needs to be etc.

[@suavevalen]

Following these steps using HOTAS is very difficult

[@thalesank]

It took me almost two week of trainingto be able to complete every single one of those exercises (my controler is pretty shitty and unprecise) , except the teaming up with friend one. I have no friends (not intended to be sad but I see why someone would think that it is), so maybe in the future I can observe someone else flying FAO. but for now, onward to the next video!

[@whiskeysk]

this is brilliant mate! Are you still playing ED?

[@derkatzenfuerst6077]

Thank you for your great videos, I just got into Elite a week ago and found your training exercises and some other commanders videos a few days later. I enjoy piloting a lot more since I gave it a try and even if it is harder to aim and dock I decided to keep FA off from now on. Is anyone from Newton's Gambit still active? o7 Fly safe!

[@redicanprime1181]

No more ED? I barely saw this video and I love it.

[@flipflopken2579]

I'm on keyboard and mouse, but still using this guide. After using fa off for a couple hours basically playing bumper cars; fa on feels so stiff it's unfortable. Guess I got no choice except master fa off now.

[@JamesNorthrup]

I really like seeing the potential of faoff demonstrated, HOWEVER, my environment, my tiny laptop footprint etc. support only KB/Mouse and i can't relate to taking lessons from a joystick player or at least the lack of the mouse widget here. you might want to consider a level 6, thargoid interceptors with faoff keyboard mouse.

[@Nox210]

Greetings Commander, thanks again for another great video! I had an idea that I wondered if it could benefit your tutorials - if it's possible for you to access or include somehow - would be the inclusion of an onscreen virtual controller display, I'm not sure which programs actually do this, but something that measures the controller inputs and displays them onscreen to show just how fine the adjustments to controls actually are during FAO, and how often you re-centre the stick/input too. Sorry I can't describe it much better than that, hope it makes some kind of sense!

[@moxenwolf1020]

I know exactly what you're talking about and I think it's an excellent teaching aid! The problem is that right now I'm using ShadowPlay to capture and the controller overlay that you're talking about, to my knowledge, only works in OBS or something similar. I used to use OBS a while back but I can't seem to get OBS to record at 60fps smoothly even when I use the NVidia Codec. I'm positive that it's just a configuration thing that I'm doing wrong. In any case, I would love to include this into training.

[@Nox210]

Ahh understood! I hope you can find a means to make it work my friend, I feel that truly would make your videos the complete package. Best of luck! o7

[@McGyver777ATGMAIL]

Perhaps someone could show a controller setup? Two joysticks? Hotas? How do ya get the side thrusters in the mix?

[@ctbram0627]

are you still using a x52 hotas? Are you using TrackIR? I have had a hard time setting it up so trying to look to the sides or up is impossible to me. Shinanigans! I am calling Shenanigans! Have you digitally edited your videos to superimpose "FA OFF" on your info display.? It is amazing to me that it just appears as those you have literally zero over control on any axis. I am jiggling around every axis until I just go out of control. Not to mention 10 minutes of playing the game this way and I have a massive stress migraine. I could not imagine playing with FA off permanently. I'd have a migraine that would feel like my head was about to explode

[@cybersorcerer]

Thank you for this awesome series of videos! Very much appreciated! Made me change my way of thinking about FA off! I do have a question .... it's about the setup of the controls. I do play on XBOX and i find it very hard to control the ship in fa off without overcorrecting ... I assume you do play on pc but do you have any recommandations for the setup of the control if you play with a game pad? Keep up the great work and greetings from germany!

[@moxenwolf1020]

Thank you for the comment and the question! I've been to Germany twice and I loved it both times :D You're right, I'm on a PC and HOTAS. I'm working on trying to encourage more FAOFF Commanders to post their take on setups for controls (that goes for KB+M and Controllers as well). Give me a couple days and let me see if I can grab some pointers from some Gambit Commanders on working with the XBox Controller. I wish I had some specific controller advice but I know that someone out there does. I'll let you know as soon as I have a lead.

[@MadMoo1974]

Hi Sir Tobi, I was with a CMDR last night and we worked on trying to get the best config for XBox. To get the controller to feel right we had to reduce the deadzone for the right analogue which was pitch and roll to the lowest it could go above zero (5-10%?). (His default had a deadzone of about 20%.) [EDIT] Please see HelloMeow (below) or Nox210 for controller layout!

[@cybersorcerer]

Hi Andrew, thank you for sharing this information. The deadzones are definitely a problem! I will play with the deadzone settings in E:D and, since i own an Elite Controller i also play with the control settings in the controller support app. What i find difficult in this setup is the fact that i would have to use the stick buttons to fire the weapons and if i understood everthing correctly i would loose the ability to change power distribution cause the dpad is used for increase decrease throttle by 25%I assume by shoulder you refer to the bumbers and HAT is the dpad ... correct?

[@cybersorcerer]

Moxen Wolf thanks!!! Would be great! Hey germany is a beautiful little country ;)

[@hellomeow9590]

An xbox controller is very usable for FA off. You want to make sure that every axis for both rotation and thrust is bound to an unique and somewhat intuitive input. I've been using this layout for over 2 years now: forward / backward thrust: right and left bumper left / right thrust: left and right stick click up / down thrust: left stick y axis roll: right stick x axis yaw: right stick y axis pitch: left stick x axis This leaves the triggers free for firing hardpoints. Another useful feature is button combinations. This lets you put most frequently used functions on the controller. I mostly use combinations like a + dpad for a lot of different functions.

[@H3artFang]

What's the best thrust axis mode when setting up a throttle controller? Also this "your primary thruster doesn't need to be active" how do I make it not be active.

[@sammorrow8420]

You aren't flying upside down, you are flying right side up underneath the planet.

[@Carlitorum]

Hi Moxen Wolf, I really enjoy your flight off assist training. I'm jealous in a good way with you expertise driving your spaceship. Just a curious question. Are you using some kind of headtracking control or just the way in which you pilot give you the opportunity to see in this marvelous way the Elite universe? Thanks for your videos. I like a lot and hoping more. Greeting from Spain. :)

[@moxenwolf1020]

+Carlos Moreno Thank you for the comment and for watching! Yes, I use TrackIR for my head look. I have a custom profile that I've made for it that refines some of the axis to better fit into how Elite's cockpits are layed out. For the external views, I'm just using the in-game external camera suite. I'm going to use the external camera for a couple of exercises in the next video to expose some of the details about what is goin on.

[@Carlitorum]

Moxen, if you are not uncomfortable with the question. What model exactly are you using? And thanks.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Carlos Moreno I'll see if I can post my profile tomorrow.

[@moxenwolf1020]

Carlos Moreno sorry I let this slip by. I'm going to try to post my profile tonight when I get home.

[@andrzejandvincegaming3015]

Can I ask about your control config for your HOTAS? I have a X52 so same same but just keep fiddling in the control setup and still not sure what works best as I am a novice FAOFF flyer. Ive increased my throttle deadzones as well as control deadzone which has helped in the over correcting but some suggest using curves for controller (I dont think the x52 can set itself) any suggestions would be awesome.

[@phillip5467]

quick question i know you said in the first video you use the x52 pro, thats the same one i use my problem is that i can not keep the nose still no matter how care full i am. is there a setting you use for it to be less tuchy or am i that bad. i move the joy stick by a hair and it just takes off like a bat out of hell

[@easy2bcheesy149]

I just want to know if my corvette will fit though the tunnels or not because I don't want to spend all the that money shipping it there to find out it won't fit

[@g8trdone]

I still suck at this but I owe you the biggest coldest beer in the galaxy...

[@OlSmokey304]

I seem to have trouble coming to a complete stop. I can usually figure out my general vector but I always seem to be off by a few degrees

[@sea_kerman]

turn FA on for a second then. It knows how to stop you.

[@cprn.]

I just realised something. Is ED missing gyroscopic forces? e.g. when I keep spinning to the left quite fast I should get a vertical movement on the nose, shouldn't I?

[@LedoCool1]

But isn't primary thrust either important in fa-off with all the ship thrusters having different strength? For example those behind you are the strongest, while those on the side are weakest. Also top thrusters are a little weaker than bottom ones.

[@TruckManThings]

These are great videos, but i am curious... Whats the benefit of always using fa off, rather than toggling on and off? Seems like toggling is the tactically superior choice. I mean learning to fly with faoff is smart, and im working on it, but especially for big ships its not always practical to fly with faoff.

[@sea_kerman]

Use it like inertial dampeners in Space Engineers.

[@barrycompton8972]

Any hints on how to set up a hotas for FAO?

[@DeviateSquirrel]

As proficiency exercises I’d assume there’s a test or a way to know when you’re ready for the next proficiency. I can’t imagine it’s “until you can do it as well Cmdr Hobbs.”

[@Scragg-]

I feel like you should just do them all every day little by little youll get better at them.

[@Patrone68]

Wait, can I turn FAOFF whilst in super cruise? That would be handy for scanning and stuff I guess.

[@_Synt4x3rr0r]

I'm quite new to the game, I'm still on my starter Sidewinder. Should I start to practice this or this is something that I should try after I got used to the game? What controller I should use? I'm playing on a PC. PS4/XBOX controller kinda thing or regular joystick?

[@ryandavidson2502]

Since you're still so new to the game 100% of your focus should be on getting a better ship. You don't need the most expensive ships but just get something better.

[@NGMTwitch]

I play my FA off like the old ass Asteroids arcade game, which relies heavily on the main thruster, i only use lats to correct and stabilize. however your talk of thinking the lateral thrusters as if the same as the primary has me skeptical because i don't think they have the same amount of thrust power as the primary. are you able to confirm if they do or not? unless you did in video and i wasn't paying attention to it

[@Kamza_]

Is there a way to toggle relative mouse on/off?

[@Vuldriel]

Does Newton’s Gambit include rotational correction as something to be turned off? I couldn’t tell if you were using it or not in the video because of how much control you have over your spaceship!

[@moxenwolf1020]

Rotational Correction actually does nothing as a function when you have Flight Assist turned Off. It seems to be simply a function of the FAON Computer. You can test this by stabilizing yourself with FAOFF inside a station and toggling it on and off.

[@davidbest579]

Don't even have elite dangerous yet, but still trying to learn some stuff before I get into it, lol

[@timedriverable]

As a new player do you use a controller with keyboard?

[@jaroslavsvaha6065]

Hey, just one small feedback I wanted to give you, I think the first video would have a much greater impact if it started with reasons why we should want to fly without flight assist, so that viewers would want to learn what you're trying to teach

[@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347]

The objective: To become good with FAOFF using a 360 controller + chatpad (mini keyboard) & not touch the desktop keyboard, no trackir either. It's been years since I last played, I used to have the x52 & have FAON. So FAOFF veterans is this possible?

[@TheFied09]

"you'd be surprised what you can fit... In... There...." Lol