Elizabeth Saltzman fights, training, and Siphoning Witch/Heretics abilities (Legacies S4)

[@pinkgiraffe378]

I love that they made her a heretic and gave her a darker, more powerful storyline. She's such an iconic badass. 🖤 Plus heretics are so cool imo lol.

[@YourLocalFlopIzumi]

Is this sarcasm?

[@Jranthony04]

@@YourLocalFlopIzumiobviously not

[@koyelmandal6142]

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[@koyelmandal6142]

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[@meah2381]

Lizzie went from being a siphoner witch to being one of the most powerful beings in tvdu

[@danawilliams8982]

Technically hope is

[@benjaminemmanuelsukani246]

@@danawilliams8982 they said ONE of the most powerful…not THE🤦🏾‍♂️

[@zisshort]

@@benjaminemmanuelsukani246 😂

[@benjaminemmanuelsukani246]

@@zisshort technically she still right 🤷🏾‍♂️🤣

[@chriskayel]

Both species are extremely powerful. No matter how you approach this, Lizzie comes from a powerful and prominent witch bloodline like Hope and Bonnie. There are different degrees of power in the TVD universe and Lizzie much like Josie are pretty powerful since birth. The Heretics are naturally powerful and unique.

[@guy1902]

This show really went from “escape your family’s dark shadow” to “KILL GOD”

[@jeana258]

i’m weakkkk 😂

[@raulalarcon3804]

Hope tribrid+Lizzie Heretic+Dark Josie Heretic together the perfect fight trio

[@Rev4mpz]

FACTS FR

[@blooxylips]

@@Rev4mpz I WANTED DJ AS A HERETIC OMG 😭😭

[@Rev4mpz]

@@blooxylips tbh I think shes better as Dark Josie, Lizzie always fit Heretic better and you can always kinda tell she was gonna be the sibling to be one. Like Tribrid Hope, Dark Josie and Heretic Lizzie are the perfect trio.

[@raulalarcon3804]

@@Rev4mpz yeah i didn't lie

[@raulalarcon3804]

@@blooxylips same i still wants it so bad

[@kevaughnrichardson2216]

Keep in mind Lizzie didn't drink any blood other than her transition when she beat those vampires with hope imagine her actually drinking blood

[@jessnguyen3682]

Wow I love this, but I’d totally would love to see Josie as a heretic along with Lizzie but unfortunately Kaylee the actress that plays Josie left the show unfortunately.

[@neyshalynicole8196]

the show ended so

[@deathstrikes7866]

@@neyshalynicole8196 so...we just imagine it in our heads and let the story continue

[@raulalarcon3804]

@@neyshalynicole8196 yes but not the TVDU

[@mahathirnur7324]

Why she left

[@davidgandy_alt2970]

@@raulalarcon3804True. But when the next spin off happens (which is no time soon) I’m not sure if she would even want to portray Josie again.

[@piedosa]

the way they had to underpower her so that hope would seem stronger bc they didnt wanna make either of them too powerfull is just ridiculous

[@buterafirevocals8177]

I wanted to see hope and lizzie mass pain people, choke them, do big spells that rival the more powerful witches like they had so much power ESPECIALLY if they did spells together. Heretic josie would have been the makings of a new witch-vampire coven, and heretic dark josie would be even stronger than heretic lizzie since she has dark magic AND can siphon from herself. Also dark josie was wayyyyyy better at siphoning, she almost instantly dessicated mg and siphoned a handful of doors out of the prison world like she would have drained Ken like nothing bc even though magic doesn't work on him directly, she uses dark magic to enhance her siphoning which lizzie couldn't do without casting a spell which would be directly using magic on Ken which wouldn't work

[@piedosa]

@@buterafirevocals8177 1 Lizzie is stronger then Josie 2 you do realize that once Josie turned she would lose the dark magic and that their magic is dark magic already bc of their vampire side but yes I agree with most of what you said

[@buterafirevocals8177]

@@piedosa Dark magic stays in your body unless it's put somewhere else by another witch plus josie's feats with magic are wayyyy stronger also the whole losing dark magic thing after turning doesn't apply bc they siphon vampires as mortal witches with ZERO affects meaning its not dark magic they are siphoning otherwise they would get nose bleeds, burns, or pass out bc they can't handle dark magic compared to regular witches. Also siphoners keep the magic they siphoned or dark magic they absorbed when they are in transition which was proved in tvd season 6 when Kai used magic in transition to magically pull his dad to him to drink his blood to become a Heretic

[@kevaughnrichardson2216]

@@buterafirevocals8177 umm almost dessicate Lizzie in couple seconds put a demi god to sleep due to how much magic she siphon and a demi god has more magic than mg so Lizzie could easily dessicate him

[@buterafirevocals8177]

@@kevaughnrichardson2216 it took lizzie like 5 seconds to dessicate sebastian through a kiss and dark josie instantly dessicated mg, she can siphon faster and hold more magic. Let's go to season 3 when hope, and lizzie were opening up the prison world and all of season 2 dark josies dark magic was stored in that prison world so when they opened a portal the dark magic froze them in place and was corrupting them very fast they both had dark veins growing up their bodies. Regular josie joined in and couldn't handle it either. Hope would have died and woke up in transition to be the tribrid and the twins would have just died. Dark Josie held all that power in season 2 and had enough magic to cast a spell to enslave the immortal malivore and switched jades humanity back on and siphoned doors out of the prison world and also siphoned immense dark magic from lizzie plus she turned hope to stone and flew like sis was doing it all. Heretic lizzie has the potential to do sooo much especially if she turns to dark magic

[@armtarotreader]

She is the first in Hope's bloodline. And the first in Hope's bloodline is Heretics, I wish I could see more what Heretics in Tribrid bloodline can do.

[@lea0wo331]

actually second, henry was the first one.

[@Amaraisabella91]

@@lea0wo331 technically Lizzie would be the third because Haley was the first to ever be turned by hopes blood

[@justindixon1586]

The first was that unnamed werewolf Tyler sired with hopes blood. After that and those maybe three hybrids klaus made Lizzie is like the 6th or 9th person sired to her

[@ljaeatkinsonmorson2828]

they made lizzie a hereyic for a reason there is no way they couldve had her do all this as a siphoner but she ate tho

[@Rev4mpz]

BYE shes still powerful as a siphoner, but her Heretic era ate asf

[@danielordonez4308]

I think the made her a heretic as a way to wrap up the merge storyline because Kaylee Bryant who plays Josie was leaving the show

[@blooxylips]

@@Rev4mpz i hope valerie helps her withh her heretic stuff 😭😭 i still remember how valerie helping caroline birth josie and lizzie

[@Rev4mpz]

@@blooxylips tbh it would’ve been so nice to see Valerie in Legacies season 5, teaching Lizzie more about their Coven and Heretics. I mean Legacies as a show has so so much potential, it was ruined by the writing and it’s cancellation. Honestly with a better company/network Legacies would be so much better, and live up to its true potential. I’m still so bummed it never got to be as iconic as TVD and TO.

[@Jamangel]

​@@Rev4mpzate ASF? NGA what....

[@jeangrey3635]

i hope there's another spinoff considering S5 was cancelled. S4 is probably one of the best seasons.

[@raulalarcon3804]

Yes Theres coming other spinn-off soon

[@kevaughnrichardson2216]

I hope the spinoff have Lizzie in it

[@ensserafims]

Omg i cant wait

[@paulyt4814]

Season 4 was the only good season, for me

[@joshuaakin4760]

Dark Josie as a heretic no humanity would have been everything

[@GazaAriana]

Would’ve been way too deadly 💀

[@buterafirevocals8177]

I feel like the darkness would shut her humanity off so she wouldn't feel bad about doing bad things bc of the dark Magic

[@raulalarcon3804]

@@GazaAriana what

[@raulalarcon3804]

@@buterafirevocals8177 yes that's we wanted

[@dvreaux]

Lizzie and hope would pop her so easily...

[@_LetsGoMe_]

Actress that plays Lizzie is 31 years old. Let that sink in for a minute.

[@chrissyjoy08]

Yeah and she's 6 years older than Kaylee (Josie) and 8 years older than Danielle (Hope)

[@roronoa_zoro9446]

To be honest lizzie carried them at the final fight

[@theo-jamesmoulton2000]

Oh yeah Heretics slap

[@BearMcarky]

I love how she just popped aroura and pushed her in the container

[@kathymcmaken651]

She is amazing Powers she is amazing witch siphoner people

[@Rev4mpz]

You missed when she vamps to Caroline in 4x20

[@marvelshibachi]

No I didn’t 17:35

[@Rev4mpz]

@@marvelshibachi oh, my bad

[@kathymcmaken651]

Lizzie siphons people death she is witch amazing Powers

[@inmyopinionnnn]

I wonder if Lizzie is still able to conceive a child. Since she was turned into a heretic with hope’s blood.

[@mr.magicw790]

She can’t, vampires become sterile once they turn since they are dead and their reproductive system isn’t fully vital. Hope is only able to conceive a child because she is part werewolf, what her parents are, and has her dads blood in her veins. Lizzie just became a vampire from vampire blood like any other vampire since she isn’t a werewolf

[@buterafirevocals8177]

No that's only for original vampires with a werewolf side like klaus and hope. You have to be a vampire from a spell not another vamps blood and also be part werewolf so lizzie is still technically dead but she could do what was done to her as a baby and use a spell to put a baby inside herself and she could give birth like caroline

[@cade.s]

@@buterafirevocals8177 Hey you kno what that might actually work

[@buterafirevocals8177]

Thinking about it, they should bring val back and have her resurrect her baby in her womb and give birth and raise it maybe it could be a siphoner

[@cade.s]

@@buterafirevocals8177 More like resurrect her heretic family or however many she can and have her own spinoff

[@jogoldsmith2008]

I don’t think she could have been able to break Hopes compulsion so easily… other than they she’s kinda alright.

[@isaiaheatss]

she didn’t break it that easily and if she’s kind salesgirl why are you watching this? lol..

[@H_savv4848]

It wasn’t compulsion

[@hollow8613]

It was sire not compulsion there a difference sire is where you can control someone without making eye contact or something like that but compulsion is where you have to make direct eye contact to control them sire isn’t that hard to break only if they want to break it as seen but in Oder to break it you would have to break free with your might don’t matter how powerful you are just as long as you want to break free

[@flare2874]

Just curious. Let say a siphoning witch marries a werewolf and give birth to a siphoner-wolf hybrid, the hybrid grow up, drink vampire blood, die and resurrected, wouldn't it make another tribrid? Hybrids and tribrid are loophole of nature but it's possible right? Edit : As of Oct 3 2024, this comment has been a year plus. I really love the theories and lore discussed here and from time to time seeing new comments answering my question is somewhat heartwarming. Thanks again for your time, I enjoy reading them. Keep them coming and have a great day! 😊

[@kevaughnrichardson2216]

Yea

[@CyanHope]

@G but Hope created hibrids without Elena’s blood. It happened when she was in the womb and Tyler took her blood and it happened in the originals season 5 so technically it could happen

[@josiahitoro6598]

No hope was made to end malivore and when he was dead red oak was created almost instantly to end the loophole.

[@m.manzo19]

It depends because just because a siphoning parent gives birth to witch doesn’t mean they’ll siphone too. Sometimes they have their own magic. And siphoners are most commonly seen along twins

[@san6984]

in theory maybe but that’s only on the basis that the siphoning ability will pass along to that child, which may not be the case. Josette was a witch with her own powers, not a siphoner and still birthed 2 siphoners so the reverse could also play out

[@kathymcmaken651]

She is amazing powers witch spell

[@JayGarcia-vq3wm]

Lizzie becoming a heretic made josie the strongest witch in the tvdu lizzie the strongest heretic and hope the GOAT

[@kevaughnrichardson2216]

Freya solo Josie Almost any witch since she's just a siphoner Heretic is difficult Valerie only have age Ken solo hope

[@san6984]

Josie is not stronger than Bonnie, Freya, Dahlia & Inadu tho? the strongest witch is either Bonnie or Inadu

[@LoveK1]

@@san6984Bonnie on expression was whole different kind of beast and Dahlia was nothing to play with.

[@Beulaville]

My favorite character ❤

[@ednaagatep3306]

Can anyone tell what is the title this one please because i did or ready finished till session 8. 🙏🙏🙏

[@Ishamiller2005]

Can someone please explain to me when the heck Lizzie drank hopes blood because I can’t find the clip

[@AnnikL.-mm5bg]

She did off screen. Lizzie didn't know it was Hopes blood. Just that it was vampires blood from the school stash.

[@sardinassardinas]

Me encantó que se convierta en hereje pero no que fuera la sombra de hope

[@kathymcmaken651]

Lizzie she witch from legacies tv show have one in backpack

[@ensserafims]

Omg vampire josie is so good ,josie should have been a heretic like fr this time

[@kathymcmaken651]

She is legacies tv show

[@TVD_Universe.1864]

This may be a dumb question but you know how Bonnie's mom lost her powers when she became a vampire because witches are connected to nature and vampires are dead? How did lizzie keep her powers when she became a vampire? Is it because she's a heratic? Or idk I'm confused on that part

[@irenemartin854]

shes a syphon witch! thats why she was able to keep her powers

[@inhumanhybrid78]

Bonnie’s mom didn’t keep her abilities of being a witch because she’s was a witch with powers of her own that she can Use at her own time. But witches with powers of their own when they transition they can’t keep their abilities to use witchcraft or none of that. Why is because witches believe in the natural order of things. They believe that everything’s should die at a time and not be immortal but vampires are immortal which is a problem. Now Lizzie is a witch with no powers of her own when it comes to magic. Why I don’t know but I do know that she has to absorb magic things to use that magic or magic source for something a witch with power would do. When siphoner witches transition into a vampire they can retain there siphoning abilities because they don’t have power of their own and the ability to make up for that is siphoning.

[@davidgandy_alt2970]

Basically witches who were born into the Gemini Coven are syphon witches so if they die they become a heretic which is a vampire and a witch. Regular witches who aren’t born into the coven would just turn into a vampire if they have blood through their system when they die.

[@spaceparrot8702]

Lizzie was born a siphoner. Unlike regular witches, she doesn't have her own source of power. But when a siphoner becomes a vampire, they retain their ability to siphon magic. Vampirism is a dark spell, it's power. Heretics like Lizzie siphon their own vampirism, it is their power source for magic. So theoretically, she isn't a witch, but in actuality she functions like one, because her own dark vampirism curse provides her magic.

[@millenialfragrancenerd94]

Because siphoner witches don't have magic of their own, unless they're channeling something or someone else. Vampirism for them is an almost infinite source of magic that'd come with the perks of retaining your siphoning abilities, having your own magic, and using your enhanced skills as a vampire.

[@Forhers_hersonly]

My only love!!!

[@ТаняКонева-щ9ь]

What is the name of the series?

[@kevaughnrichardson2216]

Legacies

[@kathymcmaken651]

She is amazing witch siphoner people

[@KiwiEulopii]

12:55 15:36

[@oliviermickys4525]

Lolll hope is powerful in tvdu

[@kathymcmaken651]

Michelle Kathryn McMaken moat my birthday party on October 4th

[@thatafrolatinamom529]

Her and her twin are selfish brats. Really don’t like the writers giving her this ability.

[@obj3ctofd3sire]

agree tbh

[@Dead_channel88]

I really wanted Josie to be a heretic and then be with Hope, but Lizzie is so goddamn annoying sometimes

[@kathymcmaken651]

What’s up

[@kathymcmaken651]

Be with me

[@cestlavie1588]

dudeeeeeeee

[@mrkartopu4970]

Bro its lizzie not elizabeth

[@olivia-ym6fc]

LIZzie eLIZabeth Ya see?

[@CyanHope]

Elizabeth Jenna Saltzman is her full name

[@eisharasheed426]

Female damon version

[@lamiapayel9680]

Lol nope

[@kathymcmaken651]

Josh new girlfriend now

[@kathymcmaken651]

Please don’t be made me

[@tdverse9482]

Hybrid Tyler and Hybrid Hayley>>>>>Heretic Lizzie

[@dominikadomaczaja5019]

Why?

[@tdverse9482]

@@dominikadomaczaja5019 The reasons: -Fewer weaknesses than Heretics -More Supernatural strength and durability(Due to combo werewolf+vampire) -Immunity to wood and Stake An Heretic can use magic against hybrids but in my opinion is that they can’t hold an hybrid off for long due aggressivity of werewolf side enhanced with vampirism which could lead hybrid ripping heart of an heretic if it doesn’t kill straight off by immobilizing and rip hybrid’s heart or siphoning completely. If hybrid is aware of wolf bite siphon then it would probably choose to rip heart.

[@piedosa]

@@tdverse9482 it takes more then you think to take someones hearth out yk and heretics are superior bc of the magic sure hybrids are physicly stronger but magic rules the tvdu universe and its people.

[@tdverse9482]

@@piedosa the true part magic and durability is advantage for heretic. Heretic use spirit magic/traditional magic from the magic of vampirism for spell, it isn’t enough power to subdued an hybrid of werewolf and vampire. Before hybrids were turned, they were untriggered and had supernatural abilities such as strength, agility then triggering wolf gene wolf enhanced strength, stamina and durability. Vampirism enhance what you are already so the magic of lycanthrope is enhanced more because of vampirism. For heretic to put down an hybrid, they have to rip Hayley’s heart o her head. or simply neck snap then rip heart. Siphoning an hybrid is different because they more magic because of being born magical supernaturally and enhanced more magic. The other scenario is siphoning magic of an Original and use against hybrid but it extremely low chance happening. An hybrid will get upper hand if they don’t have any strategy or knowledge.

[@piedosa]

@@tdverse9482 magic is magic love doesnt matter if it comes from a dog or a cat its still magic and they have an endless amount of it unlike any other witch like you said ripping their hearths and heads off is an option but they could just as easly choke them and do it or so many other powerfull spells that uncapacitate them from moving or doing anything magic is superior period.

[@idriippy9044]

it was honestly boring to watch her scenes

[@JonasGabrielFerreiradaSilv-l7m]

0:10 EP??