Elizabeth Woodville - The White Queen Documentary

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@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 2 жыл бұрын
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@josephcollins6033
@josephcollins6033 2 жыл бұрын
I can't listen to any more of these. How can you say that Richard "ordered' the execution of the boys? Seems like he surely had something to do with that, but his life makes it difficult to assume this with ease. No scholar can make such a claim as you have here. Disappointing and on the level on the 6th grade.
@josephcollins6033
@josephcollins6033 2 жыл бұрын
@Elle Amen!
@Nempho
@Nempho Жыл бұрын
@Nempho
@Nempho Жыл бұрын
Yes
@MynameisInigoMontoya4
@MynameisInigoMontoya4 3 жыл бұрын
If I married into a house and was surrounded by people that wanted me gone, I would certainly make sure every effort to place family members in position to support and protect my interests. It is "less" likely for family to betray you, your spouse, and children. I wouldn't call that grasping for power. Sounds like a better option than trying to befriend people that hate you.
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
Precisely, I made the exact same point. The bad attitude towards the woodvilles was just old aristocracy snobbery, bitter to see “low” ppl rise. And look what happened when they lost the security of the king. The old aristocracy basically wiped them out!
@mangot589
@mangot589 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but back then, it was not a wise move. One of the biggest beefs of the the barons was how many and how much they were receiving. A bit less nepotism would have probably served her better. The same thing happened with Edward III’s wife.
@umitencho
@umitencho 3 жыл бұрын
@@mangot589 Problem with that is the the barons found any reason to kill their rivals. Just look at the various best friends of previous kings up to that point who ended up dead.
@emmablake6538
@emmablake6538 3 жыл бұрын
Victoria, I don't agree. Family know best how to totally destroy one. It is always a good idea to make allies that would otherwise fight for the enemies' side.
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
@@mangot589 the whole medieval (& modern) institution of monarchy is based on nepotism.
@wvmountaingirl1976
@wvmountaingirl1976 3 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting FOREVER for a documentary on Elizabeth Woodville!!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
@waltymcnalty
@waltymcnalty 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! an incredible woman. She deserves more credit
@dawndawson5674
@dawndawson5674 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@Thatsoutherngirlkaitlyn
@Thatsoutherngirlkaitlyn 3 жыл бұрын
Watch the white queen on starz. It's a show and it's so good! Then it's a sequel. "The white princess" then "the spanish princess" they are sooooo good
@waltymcnalty
@waltymcnalty 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thatsoutherngirlkaitlyn I’ve seen it! its great despite some if the historical flaws. i have it on dvd and the soundtrack ❤️
@wvmountaingirl1976
@wvmountaingirl1976 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thatsoutherngirlkaitlyn those series are the only reason I'm here. If not for them I'd never knew about British history. They are also the only reason I subscribe to Starz lol.
@evelinszabo6562
@evelinszabo6562 2 жыл бұрын
I've read that Elizabeth Woodville is an ancestor of every British monarch from 1509 right up to today. Queen Elizabeth II is her 14X great-granddaughter. It's quite fascinating!
@kimcasey1855
@kimcasey1855 Жыл бұрын
Ancestry says she is my 17th× Great Grandma. It is so neat learning my family history.
@sisterseverus
@sisterseverus Жыл бұрын
So is Margaret Beaufort
@harveywinton2577
@harveywinton2577 Жыл бұрын
I found out only last week she is also my 17th great grandmother crazy!!!
@catsberry4858
@catsberry4858 Жыл бұрын
Lots of inter-marrying. Most English people are related to each other, down the line enough 😅
@cherylday1831
@cherylday1831 Жыл бұрын
​@@catsberry4858😂
@annabelaustin5282
@annabelaustin5282 Жыл бұрын
unique woman. Very determined survivor and very healthy bearing so many children who survived childhood.
@leanie5234
@leanie5234 2 жыл бұрын
It always annoys me that Elizabeth Woodville is called a commoner when her mother was of noble birth. Henry VII did not seem to consider himself to be a commoner even though his own father's father was a servant .
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 2 жыл бұрын
The Woodville's were landed gentry, not nobles...Commoners were not peasants, they were the middle classes.
@ThePuppywolf
@ThePuppywolf 2 ай бұрын
@@PeopleProfiles I believe it was called the "Middling Class" at the time. Being the level of Powerful Merchant families and the like.
@hardyquinn9442
@hardyquinn9442 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth & Edward have my favorite story of all royal marriages. Im incredibly happy to see this, I never get tired of hearing this story!❤🖤
@ashleyleonard8148
@ashleyleonard8148 2 жыл бұрын
Except her cheated on her hand fulls of times when she got older...so, it was a fairly fickle attachment.
@darcylett486
@darcylett486 2 жыл бұрын
@@ashleyleonard8148 I know he had a favorite mistress . Jane shore
@lindafaix2963
@lindafaix2963 Ай бұрын
Jane SHAW​@@darcylett486
@romelnegut2005
@romelnegut2005 3 жыл бұрын
She didn't betrayed the House of York, Richard made the biggest mistake, thus she had no choice but to ally herself with her former allies, the House of Lancaster. Elizabeth Woodville was a strong-willed woman and, despite the fact that she believed that her sons will be safe, something that will not happen, she changed the course of history.
@dsteely2588
@dsteely2588 3 жыл бұрын
Learn how to write a proper English sentence
@romelnegut2005
@romelnegut2005 3 жыл бұрын
@@dsteely2588 Teach me then.
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 3 жыл бұрын
Richard, and his supporters, both then and now, would have and do see her as a traitor, hence the end question.
@romelnegut2005
@romelnegut2005 3 жыл бұрын
@@PeopleProfiles That's a good point.
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t see the point of being critical to another on a history channel. That sort of thing is reserved for ‘people’ on Twitter. Please leave history channels in peace. Thank you 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@miriampborne
@miriampborne 3 жыл бұрын
Great in depth view of both Elizabeth Woodville and also of of English history which she helped weave together and unfurl into the Tudor dynasty - will be watching more , thanks so much!
@sandisandii2033
@sandisandii2033 3 жыл бұрын
The White Queen/The White Princess & The Spanish Priness TV series was one of the best ive seen.
@kkane8809
@kkane8809 3 жыл бұрын
I know! . I keep checking in high hopes that something like them will come out. I would not be mad if it was a new series about the life and times of Lady Margaret Beaufort. She really played a massive role in the making of kings and the reign of her son AND grandson.
@aprilMichelleXJRL
@aprilMichelleXJRL 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes by far......I accidentally watched them out of order but still knew what was going on as I watched. I was so sad when the series ended I hope spanish princess has a 3rd season
@francesbacon7825
@francesbacon7825 3 жыл бұрын
Awful historical facts. Do not ever use these series for learning. Enjoy the acting and false costumes. The Spanish Princess would never have had a Muslim in her army. No Muslim would be anywhere near the Spanish. Remember they were fighting them. I hate when history shows put modern day people into these series.
@BeveC21E
@BeveC21E 3 жыл бұрын
May we take this as a recommendation? I've bypassed these series continually. However now, I believe I shall have a gander. On your recommendation! Thanx
@francesbacon7825
@francesbacon7825 3 жыл бұрын
@@BeveC21E just remember to not use these as historical programs. Enjoy the terrific acting, costumes and sets. Good story telling but again so far from true history. I watch them because they are beautifully done.
@TheJanabeke
@TheJanabeke 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I love Elizabeth Woodville, she's my favorite!
@vseddonvs
@vseddonvs 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth Woodville was a brave Woman and deserves the good reputation that History had given her,to get through so much Tragedy and survive is big testament to her strength as the narrator commented,I like her she was a survivor,I learned a lot more abou what became of her when her daughter married Henry Tudor,thank You I really enjoyed this video🌹🌹
@caroliner2029
@caroliner2029 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning Jacquetta of Luxembourg. She's my 16x great gran and I find her fascinating. I think that I might be descended from Elizabeth Woodville through Leonard Grey her grandson, and Leonard's son Neill Grey. As a younger man, Leonard had asked Henry viii's ex-mistress Elizabeth Blount to marry him. Correspondence exists showing that he asked Thomas Cromwell to put in a good word for him. Elizabeth turned him down. Leonard was later in Ireland as governor under orders from Henry Viii, and Leonard seems to have made a match with an Irish noble woman, of the O'Neill clan. This was strictly outlawed by King Henry. Leonard's sister was married into Irish aristocracy, and let some of his nephews who were political 'criminals' evade English capture. Leonard was recalled back to England by Henry, arrested and beheaded around the time that Thomas Cromwell was. Neither man stood a chance. Leonard's nephews had been arrested, hanged, drawn and quartered. Correspondence exists showing that Neill Grey was asked secretly by Elizabeth 1's government, to work as a hitman to kill his half brother Sean O'Neill. He was trusted by Sean and able to get close to his older brother because he was given the position of official message bearer and mouthpiece. Because Irish historical documents have been damaged or destroyed, there are some gaps in my knowledge of family history.
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, you have a wonderful lineage . 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@Lady-L-Bug
@Lady-L-Bug 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know anything about Neil of Nine Hostages?
@michaelmichael8314
@michaelmichael8314 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings cousin. Elizabeth Woodville is my 18th great grandmother, through her granddaughter Mary Grey. However if you're from Ireland we're likely related to each other more recently
@shadow_hillsgrandma8224
@shadow_hillsgrandma8224 2 жыл бұрын
RICHARD III is my 18 x,s great uncle and was INNOCENT
@juliexx1686
@juliexx1686 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! ♥️
@YourGraceMyLady
@YourGraceMyLady Жыл бұрын
The white queen is one of my favorite shows EVER. Gotta watch it at least once a year since I’ve first seen it about 6 years ago
@Whoa_Lisa
@Whoa_Lisa 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful video on Elizabeth Woodville I have been waiting for a great video on this particular queen and now you've created one. Thank you 🤍🤍🤍
@DavidWilliams-lp5fo
@DavidWilliams-lp5fo 3 жыл бұрын
Your Documentaries on British kings and queens are wonderful!
@roolenoir3183
@roolenoir3183 3 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I’ve ever heard about her “ eyes being heavy lidded like a dragon “ that’s an awesome description! I can almost see her blinking...
@dannyjoseph6256
@dannyjoseph6256 2 жыл бұрын
i like the fact that the words "overly ambitious" were not used to describe her as some commoners are accused of being when they aspire to marry royalty
@tshlnmirtoch104
@tshlnmirtoch104 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome woman, obviously instrumental in the founding of the Tudor dynasty. Thanks for telling her interesting story so aptly. The dangers, and life time of major stress, the nobility lived with. Horrible.
@PhatFatLife
@PhatFatLife 3 жыл бұрын
This is so cool, I loved all the Starz series on the Woodvilles
@patriciabarkley735
@patriciabarkley735 3 жыл бұрын
I watched that series too. I loved it. I think I will watch it again.
@Drivingthruthebay
@Drivingthruthebay 2 жыл бұрын
Me too!!! They are all so good!
@larkascending100
@larkascending100 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this interesting video on this intriguing figure in English royal history. Its fair to say that a number of modern scholars do not see Elizabeth Woodville in quite such a positive light. Some contemporary accounts indicate she had an enormous appetite for wealth and importance, and that she was extremely ambitious and unscrupulous when it came to entrenching herself and her family in power. While this would only put her on par with many of her royal contemporaries, it is an interesting angle.
@kathrynjordan8782
@kathrynjordan8782 3 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful documentary on my 16th great grandmother Elizabeth Woodville. Thank you so much for this documentary.
@annetteolson2428
@annetteolson2428 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth had royal blood through her mother, so she was not a complete commoner. Her mother married a younger son of a king.
@marinatebbenham4011
@marinatebbenham4011 3 жыл бұрын
Please please do Anne Neville next. I love your videos and how you talk even about less known and popular people such as Elizabeth Woodville. Please can you do Anne Neville next, as there's sadly very few videos and no documentaries about her, and she's mostly forgotten. If you need someone to do the artwork, I could offer my services.
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 3 жыл бұрын
Send us an email on our about tab. We are always looking for talented people.
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
Another great suggestion. A very nice guide showed me her plaque in Westminster abbey . I do so wish her plaque ( or even a replica) could be reunited with Richard in Leicester . I do think they really loved each other 🙏🙏🙏🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@wvmountaingirl1976
@wvmountaingirl1976 3 жыл бұрын
@@PeopleProfiles yes!!! Please do Anne Neville
@darcylett486
@darcylett486 2 жыл бұрын
That would be a good one. I'd definitely watch it! Her sister Isabel too
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
I think she must’ve been extremely beautiful & Edward was smitten (still took mistresses tho) if a king fell in love with you of course you would try n advance your families lives. It was just old aristocracy snobbery that hated to see “low” ppl rise.
@loubot8333
@loubot8333 3 жыл бұрын
She really was beautiful
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
@More iz Lyfe ain’t that the fuckin truth.
@Tralala691
@Tralala691 3 жыл бұрын
And you too baby. Mmmmmmm
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tralala691 😂😂😂 you my friend, are what we Scots call a chancer 😏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@skiker4560
@skiker4560 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these extremely informative videos. I have and continue to learn from them and enjoy them.
@lifeaccordingtoali
@lifeaccordingtoali 3 жыл бұрын
I descend from Elizabeth through her only living son, Thomas Grey, she will always be my favorite ancestor. One I am forever proud of!🤍🤍
@angelaavalon
@angelaavalon 3 жыл бұрын
Well Hello there cousin! I just found out that I am also descended from Thomas Grey.
@lifeaccordingtoali
@lifeaccordingtoali 3 жыл бұрын
@@angelaavalon I come from his 8th child, Cecily Grey. You?
@brooke6549
@brooke6549 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth Woodville had other children and some of them went on to have their own offspring. Elizabeth of York, Edward V of England, Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York, Cecily of York, Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset, Catherine of York, Richard Gray, George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Bedford, Anne of York, Margaret of York, Bridget of York, Mary of York. Some of them died young, but example Elizabeth of York went on and had heirs, so her bloodline even went all the way to the Staurts example Mary Queen of Scott’s. She was one of the “mothers” of the Tudor dynasty by giving Tudor/York heirs. Cecily of York was married a couple times later died in 1507 at 38 not great in wealth, she could’ve possibly had a child or two with all the marriages she was in. Catherine of York had children, Anne of York had one child (Thomas Howard). Thomas Howard didn’t have any children though going off records. Bridget of York became a nun and had one child out of wedlock (Agnes of Eltham). Thomas Gray went on to have multiple children, he died in 1501. Elizabeth woodville still had living children and descendants still.
@moonglow630
@moonglow630 3 жыл бұрын
How amazing!!!
@vivianoshea1083
@vivianoshea1083 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth Woodville was also Henry VIII Grandmother. From what I read she doted on him.
@sandymiller7014
@sandymiller7014 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth is my 15th great grandmother and her daughter Elizabeth continued my link to her. Love this!
@byenye6386
@byenye6386 3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@haleyhavoc2821
@haleyhavoc2821 3 жыл бұрын
I also found out she is my great grandmother as well through ancestry
@tdsims1963
@tdsims1963 3 жыл бұрын
I am curious. Are you English nobility? What is your title? How are you tracing this because if you are related to her daughter you are also related to Queen Elizabeth ll...Are you allowed to display arms? I am fascinated!
@byenye6386
@byenye6386 3 жыл бұрын
@@tdsims1963 I am an American so I have no titles my ancestors came from the UK before the American revolution
@kathrynjordan8782
@kathrynjordan8782 3 жыл бұрын
She's my 16th great grandmother and her daughter Elizabeth also continued my link to her as well. We are in good company!
@brendabloomquist
@brendabloomquist Жыл бұрын
Bless her heart, she was from a wonderful family, very wise down to earth standings grown fir those days. She was more than beautiful, more than poise. She had the it factor of today. She also fought for what she new was sound and right. What courage at any stage in time. Love her
@Lizzie-ve7kt
@Lizzie-ve7kt 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always hated the evil seductress reputation that Elizabeth had heaped upon her during her lifetime. I’m so glad an in-depth video was made as I feel like all this attention gets paid to Richard and reclaiming his story since the Ricardians so vehemently deny any wrongdoing on his part and will even ignore evidence proving that his negative reputation wasn’t mere Shakespearean propaganda as his own skeleton proved that he did have a spinal abnormality which shows that certain aspects of his character, though no doubt exaggerated, were based in truth. I find that Elizabeth wasn’t a schemer but was more of a family woman who would do anything to protect her loved ones and especially her children. People act like Richard stealing the throne from Edward V was only to save his own skin because he knew the Woodvilles mistrusted him but there were SO many other paths he could’ve taken to survive and any bs about him wanting to honor his brother’s will is completely debunked by the fact that he was supposed to protect his nephews and the realm, not claim it for himself. I think he was an overlooked third son who wanted power after years spent in the background and that regardless of whether he was the one to give the direct orders to kill the princes in the tower, all of his actions since stealing the throne make him ultimately responsible for their deaths since he took away the crown, their legitimacy, their family and eventually even the small freedoms from their initial stay in the Tower. I know everyone says it wouldn’t have made sense for him to kill them but by that logic it also wouldn’t have made sense for him to seize the crown and delegitimize all his nieces and nephews, condemning them all to having to live as bastards.
@VeracityLH
@VeracityLH 3 жыл бұрын
A couple of corrections: Elizabeth attended the reburial of her father- and brother-in-law in 1476, not 1466. She was probably pregnant at the time with her 3rd son George (b Mar 1477 and d 1479) but if so she would have only been a few weeks along and likely did not know. Also, at about 36 minutes, Anthony was not Elizabeth's son but her brother, Earl Rivers.
@catsberry4858
@catsberry4858 Жыл бұрын
I saw that weird Antony goof. Good job 😊
@englishtime5327
@englishtime5327 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the correction. What an amazing story.
@chykim1
@chykim1 3 жыл бұрын
This is becoming my absolute favorite channel💞
@partlycloudy3519
@partlycloudy3519 3 жыл бұрын
The Woodville family grew in status quite quickly . If it wasnt for Elisabeth daughter of Edward the 4th we wouldn't have had the Tudor dynasty thanks to Margret Beaufort son Henry Tudor marrying Elizabeth . Such a rich history !!
@wiscochic861plutochic5
@wiscochic861plutochic5 11 ай бұрын
Elizabeth woodville was my 17th great grandmother married to Edward her daughter Elizabeth of York my 16th great grandmother going down my direct line: Margaret tudor, James V, James 1st Earl Moray, Elisabeth stuart gravin von moray, Lord James Stuart 3rd Earl Moray, James Stuart earl van moray, lady Margaret Douglas Stuart, George Sutherland, George jr sutherland, Samuel Sutherland, Philemon Sutherland, Mary Polly Sutherland, Hope Ann Powell, ending it at my great great grandfather Robert Bernard.
@michaelrochester48
@michaelrochester48 3 жыл бұрын
I am a direct descendent of her father through another daughter. Always fascinating when I am related to these people!
@billpilling5725
@billpilling5725 3 жыл бұрын
Got a town named after ya...?
@gail66onutube
@gail66onutube 3 жыл бұрын
I always feel a slight envy to know of someone who has a link by blood with someone who seemed such a huge part of the UK history.
@Whoa_Lisa
@Whoa_Lisa 3 жыл бұрын
That's amazing, have you studied your family tree?
@Jo-hc8pm
@Jo-hc8pm 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest you could be related to royalty. If you're european or know you're related to europeans then you could very well find your own link to the royal family. I done some research into my family tree and found out that I'm the 24th great granddaughter to Edward 1st through his daughter Joan of Acre. It's very fascinating researching your own family tree but can be a lot of work.
@sperez98324
@sperez98324 3 жыл бұрын
Well then... M'LORD 🛐
@princessoffire1107
@princessoffire1107 3 жыл бұрын
I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned that this hour long documentary is about anything and everything concerning the Wars and subsequent years after........ EXCEPT Elizabeth Woodville.
@jessicamurk2063
@jessicamurk2063 3 жыл бұрын
She Is my favorite queen of all ages ❤
@joehilner4830
@joehilner4830 3 жыл бұрын
Freddy Mercury is my favorite Queen.
@franniefargo9454
@franniefargo9454 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite queen of all time is Freddy Mercury.
@uba51
@uba51 3 жыл бұрын
@@franniefargo9454 you’re a little late
@joannehanna2590
@joannehanna2590 3 жыл бұрын
@jessica Mark Oh mine too !! Not a doubt about it!!💕 ( great minds think alike!! 😏 lol.)
@joannehanna2590
@joannehanna2590 3 жыл бұрын
@@franniefargo9454 oh YES!! when it comes to the other brand of queens, Freddy's the very best!!! RIP. Mr.Mercury....💕🌹
@keyanddracaryskillua6187
@keyanddracaryskillua6187 3 жыл бұрын
IDC how embellished it was, ‘The White Queen’ based on Phillipas book, is my favorite. Thank you for doing this powerful woman. May I suggest Cicely Neville next?
@chykim1
@chykim1 3 жыл бұрын
I like her books, but for entertainment purposes only, because sometimes I think she lives in her own world, so many inaccuracies🤦
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video about Cecily Neville. Love the Phillipa Gregory stuff, but I agree, it’s all just a bit too romantic but that’s the point I suppose it’s not supposed to be taking as accuracy. Love Hilary Mantel books too.
@keyanddracaryskillua6187
@keyanddracaryskillua6187 3 жыл бұрын
@@lyndsaycrawford I have not heard of Hilary but I will check her books out.
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
@@keyanddracaryskillua6187 she wrote a trilogy, wolf hall, bringing up the bodies & the mirror & the light It’s about Henry viii from Thomas Cromwells POV. Wolf Hall & bringing up the bodies were made into tv shows. Damien Lewis playing Henry viii & mark rylance as Cromwell & Clare Foy as Anne Boleyn. They’re all really gd in wolf hall I haven’t watched bringing up the bodies yet. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it if you like Phillipa Gregory.
@aroseinwinter7719
@aroseinwinter7719 3 жыл бұрын
@@chykim1 I’ve only just found out that Richard 3 not only executed her brother but also 1 of her 2 sons she had with her first husband. In the books and series her daughter Elizabeth falls in love with Richard 3 and I don’t think she would have knowing he had her half brother’s head cut off.
@andreawindrim8235
@andreawindrim8235 Жыл бұрын
A fabulous woman. Great documentary vidéo. The narrator is wonderful.
@lizet3more
@lizet3more Жыл бұрын
Glad the voice has since been changed with the new introduction , "the man known to history" love it 😀
@welshwitch2126
@welshwitch2126 3 жыл бұрын
The Duke of Clarence betrayed his brother several times and was pardoned several times. He had to go- Edward couldn’t trust him. At least Clarence got to pick his manner of death.
@onagaali2024
@onagaali2024 3 жыл бұрын
There should be a movie about Elizabeth Woodville. She was a political saavy strategist that played the game for keeps. I need to do a portrait of her she was awesome.
@BellaJournee
@BellaJournee 3 жыл бұрын
Theres a show called the White Queen. Its about her life
@onagaali2024
@onagaali2024 3 жыл бұрын
@@BellaJournee Right, I have the book but I didn't know it also made a show. I need to check it out.
@BellaJournee
@BellaJournee 3 жыл бұрын
@@onagaali2024 The show is really good! Its no longer on air but I'm sure you can find it. It was on Starz.
@onagaali2024
@onagaali2024 3 жыл бұрын
@@BellaJournee I'd like to get it by the seasons on DVD like I have with The Tudors. The Tudors I still have to get the remainder seasons after season one.
@sandranorman5469
@sandranorman5469 3 жыл бұрын
Have VOD-get a lot of the STARZ
@daya820
@daya820 3 жыл бұрын
I would love the bio of a medieval French queen!
@moniquewhite2850
@moniquewhite2850 3 жыл бұрын
I never really thought about that. Wow history.
@kimberlyshepley5924
@kimberlyshepley5924 3 жыл бұрын
Get the books the white queen and the ted queen and the kingmakers daughter all great reads
@ASillyHistoryBuff
@ASillyHistoryBuff 3 жыл бұрын
I agree The next video should be Margeret of Anjou
@DeenaHartline-BrittnyDupre
@DeenaHartline-BrittnyDupre 3 жыл бұрын
There were French Queens (consort) but they couldn’t rule in France bc France practiced Salic Law
@DeenaHartline-BrittnyDupre
@DeenaHartline-BrittnyDupre 3 жыл бұрын
@@ASillyHistoryBuff Margaret of Anjou was never Queen Regnant tho
@kkane8809
@kkane8809 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth’s daughter Elizabeth was related to and birthed historically instrumental powerful people. Imagine what would have never been without her presence on this earth.
@sigilfredogaleano6568
@sigilfredogaleano6568 2 жыл бұрын
That is given her too much importance. No human is that imporyant.
@TheCandiceWang
@TheCandiceWang 3 жыл бұрын
Ooooo. I missed this one somehow! Thanks, everyone! Stay safe 🙏☺️
@karenmia6696
@karenmia6696 2 жыл бұрын
Hi...I like the doc 💖 and appreciate the work you put into making it. I do want to mention that there were some inconsistencies throughout it-one example was when you mentioned that King Edward iiii had "precedent" in regard to marrying a commoner, and then you discussed the king Henry 8/Anne Boleyn situation...But the thing is, that couldn't be considered precedent bc it hadn't happened yet, as king Henry was king Edwards future grandson... The time line flops around quite a bit and it was a bit tough to stay focused at times...I like your channel and I mean no disrespect...Just thought I'd give some feedback 🙂🙂
@heldofhil7
@heldofhil7 2 жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive. Thanks for the upload.
@DianeBalch-t3e
@DianeBalch-t3e 4 ай бұрын
I really love history and have done a lot of genealogy research on both sides of my family. It gives a little thrill when you find you are related to some famous historical figure. I have always laughed when I have done the geometric progression on any of these ancestors as it relates to me. If I go to 17th great grandparents, I realize that I have 524,288. 2 Parents, 4 Grandparents, 8 Great grandparents, 16 Great, great grandparents etc. Happy hunting, and always document.😊
@paige393
@paige393 2 жыл бұрын
So a 12 year old girl can marry a 26 year old guy, but a woman that’s four years older is taboo? 🤷🏼‍♀️
@lisaprevidi9975
@lisaprevidi9975 2 жыл бұрын
It's a consequence of those times' chauvinism. 1400s' men (all the way up until today, at some extent) used the claim that women were to marry and produce children with older men because nature favoured that situation. It's true that women cannot conceive (or conceive healthy babies) over a certain age, whilst men can, but too often this became a justification for very aged men to have baby brides (look at Henry VIII and Katherine Howard's marriage), while stigmatizing the opposite situation even in the cases in which the wife's condition doesn't create issues with her child bearing potential. Sad.
@AmandathePandaBooks
@AmandathePandaBooks 3 ай бұрын
Disgusting how these poor children were raped at such a young age!!
@louiseevans3510
@louiseevans3510 Жыл бұрын
Incredible, fascinating woman. The narrator mixed up the Roses. The White Rose is York, then Red, Lancaster.
@MJ-lf3tr
@MJ-lf3tr 3 жыл бұрын
I think that most of you & some historians would agree that, Henry Tudor would have never took the crown if it wasn’t for not only his mother. But for his stepfather Sir Thomas Stanley. Stanley I think could have cared less about Henry Tudor & his weak calm, he was wealthy already so he didn’t need anything from Margaret Beaufort. He did what he did not out of patriotism or he actually believed Richard had the princess murdered? He wanted to be on the winning side. I will say that Richard was responsible for the princesses welfare & his failure to produce them or even mention them? Did more harm then he even realized. Keep in mind that it was men like Thomas Moore & William Shakespeare later on who would paint Richard as a murdering tyrant, plus by marriage to Elizabeth of York gave Henry Tudor a bit of legitimacy. Elizabeth being the daughter of Edward the 4th & sister to the lost princess was a brilliant move. But the lives lost later? Perkin warbeck the pretender who calmed to be Richard of Shrewsbury duke of York & Edward Plantagenet Earl of Warwick would share the same fate to secure Henry the 7th reign. Edward Plantagenet son of George duke of Clarence.
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
Henry Tudor would probably never have became king if Richard hadn’t locked the 2 princes away & more than likely killed them. Elizabeth Woodville believed it anyway or she wouldn’t have betrothed her eldest daughter to Tudor if she thought her boys were alive. A lot of his yorkist supporters believed it & fled to young Henry’s cause but Margaret Beaufort definitely took advantage of the princes death & the mood of Richards nobles as well as forming an alliance with Elizabeth Woodville & sent Henry money for mercenaries & ships to invade from France. It was actually a chain of events that Richard started & basically gave Henry Tudor everything he needed for a successful invasion. I agree about Stanley but I don’t think he was some evil mastermind I think it was actually a smart strategy He prospered when his son n law became king. And Stanley was in good company, they were all duplicitous bastards. I don’t think Richard was evil & Henry was good or vice versa they were just men & kings in medieval times when it was less about morality & more about opportunity. You can read pre Tudor accounts by Mancini & Crowland & look up other contemporary accounts of the time. Personally I think the most mind blowing thing about the battle of Bosworth was Richard iii’s body been dug up in a car park 500yrs later 😳
@MJ-lf3tr
@MJ-lf3tr 3 жыл бұрын
@lyndsay crawford very interesting take. Thank you🤓
@FrankTropea-u6q
@FrankTropea-u6q 5 ай бұрын
No Richard III will always be evil to me and many people even today. Like I believe he had the two princes in the Tower. Look, they were just children and his own nephews to boot. How nepharious can one get?
@lordtorbjorn4676
@lordtorbjorn4676 3 жыл бұрын
Catherine De Medici pls
@TheLiteralLatest
@TheLiteralLatest 3 жыл бұрын
Yessss!!!
@amymerritt6812
@amymerritt6812 3 жыл бұрын
Yes please
@hardyquinn9442
@hardyquinn9442 3 жыл бұрын
She is fascinating
@alexandriamarie5666
@alexandriamarie5666 3 жыл бұрын
Yes !
@TheFeliciakelley
@TheFeliciakelley 3 жыл бұрын
YESSSSSSSSS
@partlycloudy3519
@partlycloudy3519 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on Suleiman & Hurrem the Sultan & Sultanate of the Ottman empire
@cynthiamartinez6927
@cynthiamartinez6927 3 жыл бұрын
Do Catherine of Aragon!! 👑😍❤
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
Greatly admire Catherine also 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
Oopsie. Typed ‘Ruby’ , meant ‘Raby’. Apologies 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@hardyquinn9442
@hardyquinn9442 3 жыл бұрын
This time period interests me so greatly
@joannehanna2590
@joannehanna2590 3 жыл бұрын
Have you watched "The Spanish Princess" ? You'll get plenty of Catherine !!! & its about when she went to England to marry Arthur..( that's where in history everything began for her...)
@davebeecher6579
@davebeecher6579 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time and effort 😊
@mangot589
@mangot589 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my, this was fantastic! A real documentary. New subscriber here. And your tees, I bought two. I love them! Those Plantagenets were sure tall for the day, that’s for sure.
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you that's very kind of you.
@t.m.a.3665
@t.m.a.3665 Жыл бұрын
There’s quite a few people here claiming to be descendants of Elizabeth Woodville ! You should all get together for a family reunion! I’d like to see that! ❤she’s my Favorite Queen! Her daughter Elizabeth of York had her beauty & strength!
@susancarrington8091
@susancarrington8091 Жыл бұрын
I love your documentaries, however, they are a little too face-paced for me to follow the events. I frequently have to rewind to listen to parts I want to clarify. But I love watching them. I've learned so much! Thank you.
@andreasleonardo6793
@andreasleonardo6793 3 жыл бұрын
Nice channel which introduces famous historic persons stories...thanks for sending
@jimenagarcia32019
@jimenagarcia32019 3 жыл бұрын
The People Profiles + Elizabeth Woodville = Match made in History 💕
@hardyquinn9442
@hardyquinn9442 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth and Woodfield and Edward IVs were my favorite monarchs. I've been waiting a long time for this one. 🙌
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 3 жыл бұрын
Ed in inbound too.
@Hannah-zb5ji
@Hannah-zb5ji 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent thank you!
@johnhaydu2627
@johnhaydu2627 3 жыл бұрын
I second Margaret Beaufort. Or Cecily Neville, wife of Richard Plantangenet, Duke of York
@wvmountaingirl1976
@wvmountaingirl1976 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes!!!! One on Cecily would be awesome.
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
Third that. Definitely Cecily I’ve seen a lot of Margaret Beaufort but Cecily is only ever mentioned as a footnote
@johnhaydu2627
@johnhaydu2627 3 жыл бұрын
@@lyndsaycrawford Proud Cis!
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnhaydu2627 the Rose of Raby
@johnhaydu2627
@johnhaydu2627 3 жыл бұрын
@@lyndsaycrawford and some say Edward was illegitimate, that Edward was the product between Cecily and an unknown soldier.
@Moonflower_Lasa
@Moonflower_Lasa 2 жыл бұрын
She is my great grandmother several times over.
@manuelarita6801
@manuelarita6801 2 жыл бұрын
Lucky you! Quite a woman she was, brave and determined.. And soo beautiful!
@MrEricleblanc26
@MrEricleblanc26 3 жыл бұрын
They're always beautiful, intelligent, speaking five languages, etc.
@chykim1
@chykim1 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same. ❤️
@joeydelrio
@joeydelrio 3 жыл бұрын
whats the deal with everyone today taking the classic sophisticated portrait paintings and changing them into the weird creepy cartoon effect pictures?
@jca9278
@jca9278 3 жыл бұрын
She was amazing !!
@qmaube1
@qmaube1 2 жыл бұрын
She was remarkable and loved. That does make a difference.
@anngray9171
@anngray9171 Жыл бұрын
She was highly disliked, infact
@itallia666
@itallia666 3 жыл бұрын
Hey ho! I was born in Hexhamshire in Northumberland & a walk around the city of Newcastle tells a story by its street names Theres Percy st, Blackett St, Grey St, Neville St, Collingwood St, plus a Gallowgate, Highgate, Newgate, Westgate, Mowbray St, Howard St, Clarence St, Ridley St Stanhope St, many great northern nobility names & some.
@catherineparry-wright8290
@catherineparry-wright8290 3 жыл бұрын
Many facts are being down played aka the death of George, Duke of Clarence. He had called Elizabeth a witch to Edwards face. Edward gave him a choice, die a traitors death or apologise and chose his own fate. George asked to be drowned in a barrel of his favourite wine. Edward gave his younger brother what he had asked for even though Elizabeth's family demanded that George be hung drawn and quartered
@bazzatheblue
@bazzatheblue 2 жыл бұрын
Malmsy
@susanchang1561
@susanchang1561 3 жыл бұрын
We have videos about Richard lll and Elizabeth Woodville,now we need a video about Edward IV
@stephaniemikayla5801
@stephaniemikayla5801 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this documentary, she is my 21x great grandmother. Weirdly enough I am blonde, blue eyes, pale and have a big forehead with hooded eyes…. How strange ahha
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, always interesting. May I also ask for videos on Anne Neville and Cecily ( or Cicily) of York. Both understated women 🙏🙏🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@joannehanna2590
@joannehanna2590 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this awesome video!🌷❤ there's so many videos on the more 'known' queens..its gotten to where its just re-runs! This is much more interesting to me, as a so called commoner catching the eye of a King and they married for true love.. Women , princesses were used for political gain..no one cared how they felt about the matter! So this is definitely a most enjoyable video with many extra bits of information included.I really would like to know more of Jaquetta of Luxembourg...especially since my grandparents on my mother's side & my favorites...came to America in the 20's my mom was born here, my uncle was born in Luxembourg...being raised with so much culture& hearing french, german & luxembourgs language along with very broken english 😊 I feel blessed for such an unusual childhood..thats what draws me to Elizabeth's mother.I would love to know more about her ...thanks again for such a great video!! Blessings ... 🎭❤🎬🌷
@chykim1
@chykim1 3 жыл бұрын
You should do Hurrem Sultan.. unless you're only doing English royals. Which is fine, I was just suggesting, because I think her life was quite interesting is all❤️
@gingerkid1048
@gingerkid1048 3 жыл бұрын
Lindsay Holliday did her recently but I’d love to see the extra detail PP would put in.
@chykim1
@chykim1 3 жыл бұрын
@@gingerkid1048 yes I know, I watched it, I so love her page❤️❤️
@Ilikefrogs..
@Ilikefrogs.. 3 жыл бұрын
Same. Would love to see some more diverse history docs. But I know a lot of early colonizers destroyed artifacts and historical documents pertaining to non-white cultures, so that info would probably be difficult to find.
@chykim1
@chykim1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ilikefrogs.. yes, I agree!!
@mltg404
@mltg404 3 жыл бұрын
By plotting Richard III's demise, she wasn't betraying the Yorkist cause. Richard, by killing Edward IV's sons, disregarded his brother's legacy, which he originally swore to protect. Elizabeth had been loyal to Edward since their marriage, and siding with Henry Tudor was doing what she needed to protect herself, her children, and the memory of her husband.
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
Well said! How could she possibly have supported a man she believed had her 2 sons killed. And she did believe it, what other reason would she have to betroth her eldest daughter to Henry Tudor if she believed her sons were still alive
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 3 жыл бұрын
Richard and his supporters would see things differently. Hence why we said it.
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
@@PeopleProfiles well yeah that’s understandable. I think when it comes to Richard iii emotions always run high depending on which side ppl sit on regarding that argument
@floraposteschild4184
@floraposteschild4184 3 жыл бұрын
@@lyndsaycrawford I'm intrigued by people, especially modern people, on the "side" of a man who had two children he had sworn to protect killed. Or, whoops! He just misplaced them. It's true many of the famous names of history did terrible things, but you'd think this would be over the line. The knots of denial they tie themselves into...
@lyndsaycrawford
@lyndsaycrawford 3 жыл бұрын
@@floraposteschild4184 I’m the same I’ve researched the whole thing at great length, for & against. Any so called proof I’ve ever been presented with for Richard iii being innocent has only ever directed me to unreviewed websites or books that can’t get someone with as much as a BA in history to review them cos no one wants their name attached to it. All the self confessed Ricardian theories researched them too & but the motives behind whoever else is being framed for it are just so much more diluted than Richards motives. He simply had the most to gain.
@seleneroutley3370
@seleneroutley3370 3 жыл бұрын
What do i think? Hell hath no fury like a woman bereft violently of her precious children. I can't imagine her grief and find her behavior towards Richard III wholly understandable.
@uba51
@uba51 3 жыл бұрын
This dude should do all the videos. Best voiceover guy ever.
@Peaches_H_Nyce
@Peaches_H_Nyce 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Ty!
@AASN19
@AASN19 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite queen, whom is my hero
@lightningbug276
@lightningbug276 Жыл бұрын
The narration reminds me of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous 😊
@leanie5234
@leanie5234 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, I really do believe that Richard III had the princes killed, why else would he have insisted on having BOTH boys under his control ? As to why he did not have their bodies displayed, he probably felt that this would be distasteful to the population, and he did not really need to worry any more about them, he had declared them illegitimate. They would only be dangerous as figureheads for rebellion. He may not have considered that he might have to contend with pretenders.
@anngray9171
@anngray9171 Жыл бұрын
No need to kill the princes in the tower. They were illegitimate because their father was pre-contracted to another woman at the time he 'married' their mother. Edward had no legitimate heirs. Henry Vll ( weak to non existent claim to throne) on the other hand, killed every Plantagenet he could lay his AXE on.
@giusyvalenti
@giusyvalenti Жыл бұрын
Margaret Beaufort was the Murder of the Princes in the Power ti help his son Henry Tudor towards the Throne
@emilycox6560
@emilycox6560 3 жыл бұрын
Literally just whacked this on and then was heard Northampton, Grafton Regis and I live so close. Where have I been? 😂
@sheilaleslie1323
@sheilaleslie1323 3 жыл бұрын
The river Tow (which flows through Towcester) rises not far from Grafton Regis. It’s worth googling and follow the course. There’s a lot of “Wars of the Roses” connections in Northamptonshire.
@alicewilloughby4318
@alicewilloughby4318 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone here read The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey? It talks a fair amount about Elizabeth Woodville.
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
Loved it! When my husband and I visited England in 2003 , I climbed the stairs at Monks Bar in York. They had the room set up as a courtroom with prosecution and defence and with her book playing in the background . Never forgotten it. They had a book you could sign with your comment on the trial. I can remember saying to the lady there , after she’d invited me to sign the book, “ I’ve waited since i was 11 years old to do this” 💁‍♀️💁‍♀️🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@sheilaleslie1323
@sheilaleslie1323 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone who is interested in the wars of the roses should read “The Daughter of Time” also on KZbin you can find the trial of Richard 111 which was televised in the 1980’s with documents and historians as witnesses and a jury. Good to gather all the evidence together before making judgements.
@gonefishing167
@gonefishing167 3 жыл бұрын
I loved that book. My husband and I visited York back in 2003 and they had Monks Tower set up as a trial room. Prosecution and defence and the book on the wall. Loved it. I clambered up the stairs and the lady there asked me about signing the book. I said “ I’ve been waiting for this since I was 11!” Great book. It may be small,but it packs a mighty punch. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@mesa2212
@mesa2212 2 жыл бұрын
Loved it. In answer to your final question, she was both!
@nicolasalvarez1001
@nicolasalvarez1001 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video!!!! she is amizing!!
@lynneturner553
@lynneturner553 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure it was a matter of survival for many then.I so enjoy your videos great job. She is one of my favourite histological figuresSuch a strong,determined woman,her husband was absent a lot of the time and so many at court disliked her including her mother in law. Keep up the great work.Best wishes from New Zealand and stay well everyone.
@bjaquez6
@bjaquez6 3 жыл бұрын
I find Elizabeth Woodville to be remarkable. Everything today is as it should be. Long live Queen Elizabeth 💖.
@franniefargo9454
@franniefargo9454 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like the problems of rich people are never ending.
@henrycleland334
@henrycleland334 3 жыл бұрын
A woman of considerable virtue, courage and beauty. You could say Katherine Middleton is a chip off the old block, a commoner who married a Prince.
@markadams7597
@markadams7597 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Unfortunately, there's nothing really new here about QEW. I was hoping that The People Profile had discovered something not commonly known about her. So, this piece is worthy but only suggests the already discovered for the "White Queen". Thanks for posting.
@decantabriaball938
@decantabriaball938 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a Paul Von Hindenburg, Edward IV, and or Warrick Kingmaker
@vincentblack7467
@vincentblack7467 2 жыл бұрын
White Queen because of the war of the roses 🌹 that's me before I watch it.
@BigMamaDaveX
@BigMamaDaveX 3 жыл бұрын
🙏🏻 In the name of all hearing impaired viewers and subscribers (like me!), PLEASE add subtitles. Thanks!
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 3 жыл бұрын
We will.
@michaeljamesmacaulay1689
@michaeljamesmacaulay1689 3 жыл бұрын
... but please use enhanced software ~ current applications show AI is not fit for purpose ~
@PeopleProfiles
@PeopleProfiles 3 жыл бұрын
Subtitles are up 😁
@gillchambers9008
@gillchambers9008 3 жыл бұрын
with that voice you should be reading the football results
@calledoutones0318
@calledoutones0318 3 жыл бұрын
Is it weird that I’m 18 and highly invested in history 😭🤷🏽‍♂️
@susanodonnell4609
@susanodonnell4609 3 жыл бұрын
No I have loved it since I was a child and I have never stopped:I'm now 55, accept your fate lol
@whoknowsthesedays808
@whoknowsthesedays808 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite Queens!!
@robincowley3738
@robincowley3738 4 күн бұрын
She has always fascinated Mr more than most queens.
@lucifermorningstar-k2f
@lucifermorningstar-k2f 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, my great-grandmother.
@Greekhistoryyy
@Greekhistoryyy 3 жыл бұрын
Your Grace
@kathrynjordan8782
@kathrynjordan8782 3 жыл бұрын
mine too!
@lucifermorningstar-k2f
@lucifermorningstar-k2f 3 жыл бұрын
@@kathrynjordan8782 Interesting…
@TheFeliciakelley
@TheFeliciakelley 3 жыл бұрын
I loved “The White Queen”!!!
@KhaleesiMotherOfGuineaPigs
@KhaleesiMotherOfGuineaPigs 3 жыл бұрын
Me too. Have you seen the white princess? Not as good but follows her daughters story, then theres the red princess about Henry's first wife.
@TheFeliciakelley
@TheFeliciakelley 3 жыл бұрын
@@KhaleesiMotherOfGuineaPigs Yes, I did!!! I enjoyed it as well!!! Jodie is phenomenal!!!
@lisaprevidi9975
@lisaprevidi9975 2 жыл бұрын
I think that Elizabeth's exterting influence over the Edward IV through her charm to get advantages for herself and her family is actually a misconception (as well as the idea that she used her honour as excuse to get a marriage with the king, in my opinion there aren't just enough basis to claim it). Edward was more a family person than a statesman and simply imported this trait of his in a role which would have required a more impersonal approach (and the fact that in that age power and privilege was indissolubly connected to family and/or affinity relations supplied a reinforcement to it). The first reason though, I feel was the predominant one, because he didn't extent the favour he granted to Elizabeth's family (which probably kissed the ground he walked on and at least apparently enabled any political choice he made) not even to his siblings (whom he cared about too, despite the little affinity with them).When you think about it, Edward acted more as a common (though extremely important and wealthy) man also in regard of his marriage, overlooking the political reasons in favour of his personal's ones, against any other advantage). Returning on Elizabeth, what qdo we know of her? -she wanted to be revered more than former queens even from her siblings, probably the strongest basis for her social climbing reputation; but her personal and social background actually was the very opposite of what England hoped for Edward IV's queen (she was a widow/mother for a young man, and a Lancastrian bride for the first Yorkist king; besides the royal blood she claimed on her mother's side, having been Jacquetta a Luxembourg royal house member, didn't count in such a chauvinistic historical period and she was probably only seen as a lowly noble like her father and her first husband). It's quite possible then, for her to have felt ashamed of her conditions, and this could very well have resulted in a heavy inferiority complex, which she tried to compensate asking for an even more regal treatment than her ACTUALLY royal predecessors, and seeking to avoid, at least at the beginning, to be socially identified with her family (quote: regal ceremonies whenever she appeared from very early on [...] and even insisted for her brother Anthony to bow to her before addressing her). -It's unfair though, to overlook the HUGE help offered by her to her origin family, and the love for her children, her children from BOTH marriages. I find it it at odds with the narcissistic social climber Elizabeth's been long painted as. After becoming queen (and in such unfavourable circumstances), she could have left her non/royal sons behind, especially when considered how much they represented their mother's former tie with the main Yorkist's enemies. These evidences, in my opinion back up an image of Elizabeth as a family-oriented person and woman (just like her eldest daughter, Elizabeth of York is historically considered as). - the telling of Elizabeth's queenship and second widowhood's periods gives us insights on the Queen's personal characteristics, and can be resumed in two main facts; the first, was the personal, fair and frugal management of her household, and the second one (and the most important to me), the acceptance of the imminent downfall of the dynasty which she was queen of, and the consequent ability to sacrifice her regal status' pride, and the possibility to effectively be in charge of the nation's running (since king Edward V was just nine), in order to achieve a good future to her children, something that she had probably always considered as her life's ultimate goal. Both these informations hint, though, at a very pragmatic, quite righteous nature, (likely compatible with her husband's, among the other things), and a discreet selflessness (at least, as far as her blood was concerned).
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