NO WAY we’re landing on the moon in 2026

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00:00 Intro to Artemis program dilemma
01:20 Context of Artemis III dilemma
01:55 Bill Nelson response to inquiry
02:36 Who is Eric Berger?
02:52 Do you see Artemis Program in danger?
04:06 Why NASA is reliant on SpaceX
05:49 Magic Spoon
07:36 Why can't SpaceX do this on their own?
09:44 What will REALLY happen with Artemis
10:50 Heat shield issues persist
12:20 SpaceX low earth orbit mission potential
13:33 Let Starship play out...
14:39 WHY is it so hard to go back to the moon?
Thank you to Eric Berger for this insight about the current state of the Artemis program.
Do you think the Artemis III mission will actually land on the moon???
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[@ellieinspace]

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[@Ravenought69]

Hi ELLIE! Could you put a link to the senate hearing or other vids you use in the description? That would be awesome!

[@verypleasantguy]

They could land on a Hollywood Moon back in the 60's, they can land on another Hollywood Moon today

[@davidchen4197]

what a narrow minded Americans! the only thing in your mind and also you think in Other's mind is DOMINANT. We Chinese, is thinking how to benefit for all mankind. try to think like a grownup! giant kid!

[@thatcanadianwhitetrashguy]

Rebuilding Saturn 5 wud be a Step in the Right Direction. Also Stop the Unfair Hiring Policies

[@charris939]

Considering how much money the US Govt is wasting on foreign wars, space exploration is cheap!

[@matthewfusaro2590]

For the 2 trillion dollars that they spent on Afghanistan, NASA could have build 3 bedroom apartments on Pluto.

[@beerdrinkingdwarf7139]

Politician's souls be weighed down by gravity

[@SW-fy8pq]

Wars benefit the politicians and the military industrial complex in the US. The space program brings nothing to them.

[@Thunderbyrd.]

Agreed, I wish we could use the money we are spending to sustain other countries and use it for our space program and people. Almost 100% of the countries who receive money from the US should make it on their own.

[@fdjw88]

@@matthewfusaro2590 It's not 2 trillion, it's way more than that. Because that number does not include interests.

[@mchhardy]

The moon is not United States territory. Every country has the right to go there.

[@jessicayoung1190]

How is China going to the moon is a national security threat to the US .

[@IvanPlayStation4LiFe]

Yes I agree.

[@bicharilimbu8547]

yes absolutely 100%

[@pohmoh3590]

Do not downplay China man mission. They taking first steps to permanent moon base. When NASA chief can say moon does not revolve. The far side is always in dark 😂

[@edmundsim6251]

It is actually bright. Just that we cant remote control anything on the other side to really go there. The chinese are resolving this issue now.

[@vitalitihomirov5781]

It's hard to strike any base on the other side of moon. Chinese will dominate the whole Moon.

[@user-qd8yg1fp7i]

Excellent point!​@@vitalitihomirov5781

[@user-vp6vf8wm2s]

Yeah, I have never been there, how I know

[@dzonikg]

USA will put 100% tariffs on China moon landing and that will solve it

[@li1102]

NASA needs to find another top-tier movie studio for Moon Walk 2

[@pohmoh3590]

NASA chief said the moon does not revolve. The moon far side is always in dark 😂

[@matthewfusaro2590]

Ironically, it was NASA that provided the first pictures of the dark side of the moon.

[@pakarpintu4917]

@@matthewfusaro2590 And earth rising from moon surface

[@mikza29_]

​@@matthewfusaro2590wrong, the Soviets did in 1959 with Luna 3 spacecraft.

[@Hellomhk]

😓

[@just_archan]

FYI, it's not DARK side, it's FAR side. And it's not in dark. When it's faces sun, it's a day on far side of the moon.

[@briannewman6216]

I suspect that the next successful manned lunar mission will be by the Chinese. Unlike the US, the Chinese will probably move from lunar missions 1.0 to lunar missions 2.0 straightaway instead of waiting 60 years.

[@user-ex4kq1df9m]

Next, China will build a permanent base on the moon, which has already begun.

[@user-ex4kq1df9m]

The Chinese can do what they say. If you look at the route planning of their lunar exploration program, it has been successfully completed. It is of a very high standard.

[@unclefart5527]

History has proven the Chinese aren't afraid to lose a few (million) people (or Sparrows) to reach their goals.

[@edmundsim6251]

They cant. The radiation and the fuel problem cannot be resolved.

[@tyrantfox7801]

There no "probably" . they want to establish a research base there and Russia is joining them

[@user-vp6vf8wm2s]

The NASA chief executive goes "how do I know? I have never been to the Moon"

[@jasonlah88]

China is very friendly country and willing to cooperate . But not ban anyone unless they throw the first punch 🥊👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@leonchu4330]

US passed law in Congress forbidding US cooperation with China in anything relating to space program quite a few years ago. Europe also tried to play out China by accepting Chinese contribution but barring their participation. These left China with no choice but to go on its separate ways independently. Now, China has a better and more accurate Bei Dou Navigation Constellations as well as a very successful space program! Arrogance will ultimately cost USA dearly.

[@Thunderbyrd.]

Oh sure, lol. China is friendly.

[@inkbold8511]

@Thunderbyrd. It’s hard to fathom other government are more friendly than your own’s right? Yeah cause you lost your faith in your gov and hates them doesn’t mean ppl in other countries are like yours. 🤡

[@yunko9369]

@@Thunderbyrd. Oh sure, LOL. Just look at how many bases in the first and second island chains!

[@rRekko]

China is not friendly, it's 200% aggressive, they just hide their motif and make sure countries they "help" (blackmail) don't speak about it at all. The reason you see a lot of 'cooperation' recently is because they can think long term, since they're a very very old civilization. They can see the future if automation and AI, so they know their power will soon dwindle as the reason everyone and then to manufacture their products there is because of all the slave labor they're using. Once automation kicks off, anyone will be able to make cheap stuff almost anywhere in the world.

[@doug8515]

No one has ever walked on the moon. Try to get your head around the fact that spacesuits designed for low earth orbit, inside a capsule might work in a Torr -6 vacuum, but on the moon the vacuum is Torr -12, no 60's spacesuits that were handstitched, zippered etc ever made it to the moon. That's just one of many reasons why the Apollo program was a big non event.

[@justinratcliffe947]

Oh shut up

[@darkoz1692]

Do you also believe that the Earth is flat or that Noah built an Ark?

[@inkbold8511]

Exactly this, US never went to the moon. The flag that flaps and the shadow that’s different than sun’s light. It just shows these pics where done on Nevada desert

[@censortube3778]

@@inkbold8511 Gee, how did the best scientists of the Soviet Union miss something so obvious ? Or are you so ignorant, you don't even realize the Soviet Union accepted that the moon landings occurred, as does every other educated person on the planet.

[@censortube3778]

Oh look, another high school dropout whose never passed a physics or math course in their life is here to lecture us on the properties of a vacuum, another youTube Nobel prize winner /sarc

[@2660016A]

Didn’t it only take them 8 years to go from zero to the moon in the 60s? Why are we having such a faff 50+ years later?

[@livefree1030]

Cause it was a Hollywood landing is my guess as of late. Starting to doubt we landed

[@JacquesMartini]

In the old days, people had much more balls and got to the point! Nowaday, we have a lot of "procedues" and way to much "meetings" with hollow talks. We should stick to CGI, much cheaper and safer and much more CO2 neutral! 😂

[@kalliste23]

Way harder to fake nowadays.

[@Liboch]

​@@kalliste23you got the point. It will leaked to the internet in no time. And the Chinese and Russian will hack to see the secret, and will expose it all, or worse will hold the secret for ransom. 🤣🤣🤣

[@hugh_jasso]

The first landing mission's underlying motto was "we can't afford to fail" and SpaceX's motto is "fail until we succeed."

[@peterg0]

No problem!Just ask Hollywood to film another movie of Landing on the moon 2....

[@peter-world-traves]

Don't forget also "Apollo 26"

[@stevenschmidt]

They should just re-brand it as Artemis 2 1/2, so they don't have to say they changed Artemis 3.

[@ellieinspace]

Pretty good idea 😂

[@spacechampi0n]

Artemis++

[@markplott4820]

NASA should , give up on Rockets . focus on Marinating launch sites , & expanding where it makes sense.

[@kenjifox4264]

lol! Artemis 2 1/2 Then Artemis 2 1/2 ++ Then Artemis 2 1/2 ++ Part II Then Artemis 2 1/2 ++ Part II episode 2

[@stevenschmidt]

@@kenjifox4264 😂

[@apatriotone]

This is bs and makes me ANGRY. I watched the first moon landing as a 10 yo. It influenced my whole career. I worked for NASA and Lockheed designing the experiment control systems for the Shuttle. My wife passed away and couldn’t share my dream of seeing the return. Now there’s a possibility I won’t see boots on the Moon in my lifetime. I feel betrayed!

[@1237barca]

You were betrayed by your youthful naïveté and betrayed by the Nixon administration. Basic logic says that if we can’t do it today, we didn’t do it 20,000 days ago. Nixon wasnt a unique lunar leader, he was a uniquely brazen liar.

[@Jonathan-Sund]

But if you watched the moon landing as a 10 year old haven’t you already seen the moon landing in your lifetime? Or are you claiming they didn’t land on the moon is 1969 (with 1960’s technology)

[@patrickbrady519]

Me too brother

[@wowcnmovie]

@@Jonathan-Sundgood question

[@strongchallenger2269]

He let the cat out of the bag🤭​@@wowcnmovie

[@DumpTheDollar]

If NASA can't land man on the moon by 2026, it means Armstrong never landed on the moon

[@dsee1774]

That's telling tales of Neil depressed gloomy looks in press conference

[@metriczeppelin]

A year and a half later NASA is still studying the heat shield problem. Perfect! NASA. When do they plan to actually correct the problem, 3 - 5 years from now??

[@ellieinspace]

It’s kind of crazy how slow they are when you look at how fast SpaceX iterates

[@metriczeppelin]

@@ellieinspace Copy that, Ellie 👍

[@professorg8383]

@@ellieinspace You can't be serious! The problem wit Artemus 3 is SpaceX!! NASA drank the Musk koolaid know ful wel he has never met a proposed timeline for anything he has done! Artemus 3 has a lot wrong with it as Dustin has pointed out as Dustin of Smarter Every Day has pointed out. Think the Orion heat shield is an issue that poses risk to the crew?? That's minor actually. What about the fact that Starship does not and won't have abort capability without a complete redesign??? Many time Musk has said he can do something for X dollars in X amount of time, and then misses by a mile!! NASA trusted Musk and now they are realizing what a stupid mistake that was!! Starship is just a dumb concept!! How do you assure that it can even be supported where it lands??? How do you unload the cargo?? These are very basic questions that are nowhere near having answers!! And you ask why SpaceX doesn't just go it alone??? With whose money?? Why would SpaceX go it alone?? WE already know that there aren't tons of gold just below the Moon dust!! What would be the commercial value for SpaceX??? I really don't get all you Musk cult members!! He's not even a good engineer!! He's a dreamer who always ends up fighting reality!1

[@markplott4820]

probably, never.

[@GB-zi6qr]

I'm thinking Boeing should have been looking at this. They designed it, they've been paid...very well. NASA helps with the investigation, the contractor is supposed to lead, report their findings and point out their steps to correct the discrepancies. Yes, I'm blaming Boeing, not the people doing the work, the leadership of the company. Orion is years behind schedule and billions over budget. Boeing has just been soaking the American people for every penny they can get. That's just my opinion.

[@GlenHunt]

When I think of Eric's books I automatically hear Tim Dodd's music. I like Eric's plan and agree that we need to keep up a cadence even if we have to shift mission goals around. Also, Boeing, we really need you to get your act together!! C'mon already!!

[@chrishvs]

What does Boeing need to invent? Or is it they are assembling proven designs and hardware.

[@chrisbraid2907]

Boeing needs to focus on its Aircraft and forget about Rorting the NASA Budget …

[@ghost307]

Dump Boeing. All they've shown is that they "used to be" good at spacecraft.

[@davidelliott5843]

Boeing have wasted $ Billions to deliver nothing of value.

[@Thunderbyrd.]

Boeing is doing great with their Military Space Plane. (X-30 something? ) Maybe they should go that direction but with a commercial space plane.

[@stheworldturns]

Too many never tested technologies worked flawlessly when Apollo 11 landed on the moon's surface for the first time ever. Spacesuits worked marvelously without critical issues. Radioactive moon dust somehow was wiped off clean before astronauts got back into the lander. Chest-mounted cameras were taking perfect shots each time by being manually adjusted while wearing thick gloves. Then the ascent stage took off from moon's surface then re-docked with command module traveling over Mach 5 in orbit. Somehow the "perfect" technology is lost by some careless NASA document workers. lol

[@MegaSunspark]

Amazing, isn't it? At this stage, we should just time travel back to the 1960s, and it would be much easier to land people on the moon like they "did" back then. 😀

[@ButchCassidyAndSundanceKid]

@17:02 China is also testing reusable rockets as well. China is skipping 1.0 and straight to 2.0, just like skipping the steam catapult aircraft carrier and going straight to electromagnetic catapult take off.

[@livefree1030]

How is it we mastered the moon landing in the apollo missions half a century ago, but we are relearing?

[@hugh_jasso]

Bcz it's all new untested technology.

[@pengzhang5081]

因为你们造假你们登月了啊 就比如你们欧美造假各种历史一样 比如你们造极埃及 希腊等的历史

[@livefree1030]

@@hugh_jasso new? It's not new, shouldn't it be evolved? What, we are basically learning how to build a boat all over again?

[@Blake_87]

They're trying to do things differently with new tech, it will take time, if it works...the benefits will be long lasting

[@adamiskandar5107]

@@hugh_jasso Are you saying that old technology is better than new technology?

[@cnmd1636]

NASA has never landed a human on the moon before.

[@btopkimo]

America never landed on the moon, it was all a hoax.

[@justinratcliffe947]

Shut up

[@strongchallenger2269]

NASA never landed on the moon. Bill Nelson is sitting in the office. "Back side of the moon is always dark. Why the Chinese bother to go there"? 😂

[@user-ex4kq1df9m]

There are older impact basins where older lunar soils can be collected.

[@bojin5163]

​@@user-ex4kq1df9mdamn, you are smarter than the administrator of NASA! 🎉

[@strongchallenger2269]

@@bojin5163 🤭👌

[@JeffSmith-yk1xb]

​@@bojin5163he believes it's always dark too.

[@peterwang5272]

行政官员不懂技术层面的问题是正常的，但是美国登月最大的质疑是为什么50年前能登月，现在登不了了

[@NomenNescio99]

The root cause of so many bad decisions and issues with the Artemis program stems from the fact that SLS doesn't have the required delta-v to place the Orion capsule in a low lunar orbit. Very few people at NASA are willing to speak about this .

[@ghost307]

This is a huge difference between the NASA that went to the moon and today's NASA. Engineers used to be driving the bus, now they're cowering in the back while Management gets the bus stuck in a swamp.

[@akakakakakak3084]

​@@ghost307It sounds like the missing link between ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians😅

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Why don't you ask an expert like Thunderf00t aka Dr Phil Mason and Common Sense Skeptic (CSS)? They show all the math and all the logical contradictions/inconsistencies (i.e. HYPOCRISIES, LIES) of Elon Musk that you are too stupid and lazy to go through. This Eric Burger knows nothing.

[@bodyoftruth7766]

They focus hiring based on diversity instead of merit.

[@inkbold8511]

​ @ghost307 That’s because NASA in 60s have white men using Hollywood studios to makeup footage of fake moon landing. Hence 60 years later you still don’t know how to make moon landing and only this time you can’t fake the landing anymore as the Chinese are prepping for actual moon land.

[@whatthef911]

NASA will hire Christopher Nolan to direct the studio moon landing.

[@Lukeup1207]

Just speed up the manned landing project, we have to bring the rover back to the 60s’ landing plot before the Chinese uncover the truth, lol.

[@datamatters8]

I don't know all the issues involved but does the following work? And it assumes that Lunar starship has enough fuel to do roundtrip from LEO to landing on the moon. 1. Fill up refueling tanker in earth orbit. 2, Launch lunar starship with Humanoid robots on-board. 3. Re-fuel lunar starship. 4. Fly lunar starship to the moon and land. 5. Have robots unload cargo and do some setup with solar power for recharge. 6. Fly lunar starship back from the moon to LEO. Robots stay behind and recharge from solar. [First moon trip has now tested all systems] 7. Refuel lunar starship. 8. Launch astronauts with Falcon+Dragon and Dock with lunar starship. 9. Launch resupply starship and dock with lunar starship and transfer cargo for next moon trip. 10. Re-supply starship returns and lands back on earth. 11. Fly lunar starship to the moon and land for first Human trip. 12. Fly lunar starship back from the moon to LEO. and dock with Dragon waiting in orbit. 13. Dragon returns to earth. Steps 1-6 prove out moon mission using Starship before risking humans. Could even do it a 2nd time for confirmation. Would probably still be cheaper than SLS but congress would probably bark because less NASA money flowing to their states & districts. But nothing prevents SpaceX from doing this mission as a test program for Mars.

[@damo87araimo]

It's a great sequence. SLS and the Orion capsule are not required, SpaceX could do it alone, with NASA paying the bills.

[@spicesmuggler2452]

Can i ask you one thing, why do we need to refuel in orbit when we launched a single rocket directly towards the moon? These refueling steps are ripe for failure, why add additional steps?

[@Yggdrasil42]

Definitely agree with Eric. Keep up those launches to gain experience but delay the landing until we're ready.

[@1237barca]

Technology doesn’t regress for 50 years relative to the moon while it advances relative to everything else. Space may be the final frontier but it’s made in a Hollywood basement.

[@theinfralink6598]

NASA Administrator: we don’t go to the dark side of the moon because it’s dark there 😮😂

[@user-kb9bd5tt8f]

If Neil Armstrong is the first human to take the first step on the moon, then who actually took the video of Armstrong's first stepping onto the moon soil. The video shot was taken quite a distance away showing the moon module and Armstrong??

[@BrainRobo]

The only issue with doing a LEO Orion docking with Starship is that you are wasting the 2 billion dollar expense of the SLS launch for something relatively trivial for the launch system. The same amount of money would be better invested if they would do R&D to attach Orion to Falcon Heavy for a LEO Orion docking system which would in turn allow all of the future docking maneuvers to be done in LEO and then Starship would take the Astronauts to Gateway/Lunar Orbit. However, this would not be feasible due to time constraints on the project and resource management from both of NASA and SpaceX, although I don't see a reason why not when Starship is validated for orbital maneuvering and Lunar transfers. Additionally, an idea that I got while writing this... Better yet just replace everything to Dragon, hopefully Starliner and possibly Dream Chaser rather than just continuing with Orion for a LEO docking system. Also note that Lunar Gateway should still be in this concept since a Lunar Space Station is overall very important and provides a pit stop for flights and expanded mission capabilities.

[@juhanisademaa7598]

Why use Orion for that test when Dragon is available? Ok, Orion has to be testet. So send an empty Orion to LEO as a Starship payload and then dock it with a dragon with astronauts. The astronauts move to Orion, undock from Dragon and then dock the Orion to HLS. They test the HLS controls, move back to Orion that again docks with Dragon that lands the astronauts to earth. No $2 billion SLS needed, a lot of good training learned.

[@sonnyburnett8725]

The NASA of the Apollo era would never risk a questionable heat shield on a crewed flight.

[@myvideos1707]

Yes, so Apollo heat shield was better than this.

[@LuciFeric137]

Except the minor issue of Apollo 1. NASA has negligently killed 17 astronauts. 17! They are rushing again to salvage their reputation

[@lengthao8424]

Don't even fly yes three get cooked in a test........!!!!!!!!!!! In the old days the US never have such capability to send man to moon........!!!!!!!!!! You tell me that the US landed in the moon with bus side cracks computer and space craft shift.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@inkbold8511]

Apollo never have heatshield cause they never need to fly up to moon, they drove to Hollywood studio to film their moon footages. Only this time they can’t fake it anymore as the Chinese are actually prepping for moon landing.

[@meltdown7259]

Thanks for the update

[@ross077]

Great to see you interview Eric Berger, Ellie. He's a great writer with wise insights. As a result, I particularly agree with his closing comments about taking the necessary time to ensure Artemis is sustainable.

[@Bigpappakane]

I agree, more of these please. You need to focus more on serious interviews and discussions to increase your credibility.

[@markplott4820]

Artemis , is already outdated Design.

[@t.a.r.s4982]

So, in 2028 will be need: *a human rated starship (the HLS) *refueled in orbit * thanks to several starship flights in order to *fill in an orbital tanker with no boil of issue.. Guys (and girls), come on, it can't be serious. That's not optimism, that's being dellusionnal! Scuse me for being a bit rude or sarcatic (and for the mistakes, I'm still french 😅), but I can't believe a second you really think they'll succeed in such a short amount of time. All those requirements are so complicated, new, cutting edge technologies still to be developped, even in my best dreams I don't see it coming before 2033/2034 (at least 10 years, I take the bet) , and even like that, it still would be an incredible achievement. In french we say (from latin): qui va molo va sano , I don't know if you use that too in English, it means approximately: who takes its time and go slowly rather than in a hurry will do better! SpaceX is known for doing things faster, actually they don't developp their spacecrafts and rockets so fast; The falcon 9 took years to get to its final version, the dragon II suffered delays (not as important as the cst100 of course but, still they failed to deliver in time), like it always does in space industry and in big science projects in general. So we shouldn't be impatient or worried about big delays, on the contrary, I hope they will take the max amount of time they can to provide the best and most secure products for the mission.

[@Tinman_56]

I stated it in the past, and it was also about timelines. It generally takes 20-30 years from conception to design to production for spaceflight successes. It's OK to have timelines and milestones, but when they are constantly presented publicly and not reached, then doubt sets in about the entire program. 😉

[@myvideos1707]

China knows these difficulties in Artemis.

[@GB-zi6qr]

Okay, I can see your point. Let's take a look at the two theories. SpaceX is using the software engineer approach, build, test, iterate, retest. Boeing is using classic aircraft design theory. However in Boeing's case they have chosen very expensive materials. Therefore a lot of their testing is done in computer simulation. The real world really doesn't care about computer simulation. The ultimate punchline? Both will reach the same conclusion, how quickly and at what costs are what isn't known.

[@michaelchen8853]

The reality is Chinese boots will land on the moon first followed by America's afterward. That'll be a very big shame ！

[@Joseph_Omega]

So, _"The _*_Artemis_*_ program as it's conceived I think is really brilliant because ... it has the WHOLE government behind it"._ Maybe we would be back on the moon already if we only had _HALF_ the government behind it?

[@myvideos1707]

Exactly.

[@knowledgeisgood9645]

It is by far more likely to get the program canceled if you have only half the government behind it.

[@vincetalkz]

Yeah, having "the whole of Government" behind big ideas has not always worked out so well. It often results in the "law of unintended consequences" rearing its head, because Governments and those working in them have vested power and money interests that often blind them to reality.

[@conradboss]

Why reinvent Apollo. 😊

[@RealJamesScott]

Great interview and great reporting on the latest space news. Hope your recovery continues to go well.

[@ellieinspace]

Thank you so much! And the recovery has been really great, all things considered.

[@TheAngryAstronaut]

Thanks VERY MUCH for posting this. We need more truthful headlines about Artemis.

[@ellieinspace]

Thank you for watching!!! It means a lot!

[@Hypocrites-507]

How can Nelson lie in front of world USA ban Chinese from NASA n now he blame China not cooperating with NASA 😂😂😂

[@lordinquis8r679]

Thanks, Ellie! Getting caught up on your videos.

[@sebsunda]

Higher cadence is better because you: 1) Keep it in the mind of the public 2) Keep the astronauts & supporting teams in "shapes" 3) Keep the pressure on Contractors 4) Gather more data to improve reliability.

[@dscarty]

Let’$ see how well controlled the catch/landing of Starship is.

[@ellieinspace]

Can’t wait!! Hopefully IFT 4 also comes soon

[@David-dl3vj]

50/50 at the moment in Vegas. Starship IV Starliner I completing thier mission against starship orbit reentry? Any takers?

[@wyattnoise]

If you think SpaceX is gonna catch a rocket out of the air using hydraulic chopsticks, I have a bridge to sell you... Cheap!

[@patrickfox-roberts7528]

@@wyattnoise yup

[@PaulHearder]

The hold up is that it can't happen.

[@GeorgeWMays]

Good video, Ellie. Very interesting. Thanks a bunch.

[@ellieinspace]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@markmark2080]

I drove cross country to watch Apollo 16's perfect launch in 1972, thinking we'd have a manned base there in 20-25 years at the most...

[@stevenst56]

Great interview, thanks! I’d recommend Dustin’s video at Smarter Every Day on his presentation to NASA about this topic, also very informative.

[@ellieinspace]

I’ve messaged him to try and interview him He is too busy for me 😂 But yes- he released an incredible video on the topic!

[@jameswilson5165]

He is all over NASA, and for good reason. He used LOGIC. Sadly, I doubt he will ever be invited back. And that's in his favor because Dustin is Not a political scion.

[@Yggdrasil42]

@@jameswilson5165Well he recently posted a video about his dive in the Neutral Buoyancy Lab. Pretty sure that was filmed after his speech.

[@1237barca]

“Smarter every day” is a funny concept. 20,000 days ago people were walking on the moon (if you trust the Nixon admin). How have we gotten dumber for 20,000 days if we are smarter every day?

[@jeffrey5961]

Eric Berger has all the NASA talking points.

[@svenlundblad3172]

Great interview, thank you very much! ❤

[@Thunderbyrd.]

Yes, great interview

[@1bengrubb]

Super good interview very informative I agree with his scenario unless they get a whole bunch more funding and everything goes perfect

[@olebloom1641]

Good interview as always. I like Eric's step by step idea even if I'm impatient.

[@ellieinspace]

Glad you enjoyed it! He’s great at explaining concepts

[@oldconspiracydude236]

One day in perhaps 10 - 15 years we will have men on the moon as portrayed by Apollo mission soap Opera that was on TV in the 1960's

[@Cape_Cod_Steve]

👍👍 Great catch getting Eric , thoroughly captivating discourse , raising the bar El 👏👏

[@richardpgallagher5163]

Great content! Thanks.

[@ellieinspace]

Glad it helped!

[@classic_sci_fi]

NASA should get out of manned space flight and stay with exploration JPL type missions.

[@professorg8383]

Well, there isn't much useful purpose to manned spaceflight besides gettiingg to say that you did it! We would be much better making discoveries with robotic missions until we find somewhere worth sending humans to!

[@Ipbulldog]

The current split of duties is good: NASA does the human safety and mission stuff while SpaceX provides transportation.

[@benh3457]

The background music is a bit bothersome. Hope you can lower the volume in the future.

[@ellieinspace]

I’m sorry you feel that way. I tried to make sure the audio was equal I’ll make it even quieter!

[@aiyengar]

"a bit" is understating it... was difficult to pay attention when eric was speaking. music is not at all required when you have a great guest like him on.

[@kenjifox4264]

@@ellieinspacemusic sounds fine to me. Doesn’t get in the way.

[@calarndt]

Excellent reporting Ellie! This is the kind of reporting I've been hoping to see from you! :-)

[@ellieinspace]

Thank you! I promised I’d make something good once back from Japan!

[@MilBard]

Good interview 👍

[@bumbengtey8464]

This just convinced me there was never any moon landing by NASA. Breaks my heart😮

[@dereks1264]

I don't think ANYBODY believes that humans will land on the Moon in 2026.

[@JacquesMartini]

You have no idea of how much gullible are out there!

[@pengzhang5081]

你应该去怀疑美国🇺🇸登月都是造假的 因为1969年根本不可能登月 技术 能源 辐射 等 都解决不了 现在也没有很好的解决 你认为美国🇺🇸登月过吗 不可能 m

[@Ravenought69]

Hi ELLIE! Could you put a link to the senate hearing or other vids you use in the description? That would be awesome!

[@pauld6967]

An incremental approach, like we had with Apollo is something I wouldn't mind seeing since lives will be on the line. I am looking forward to the expected launch this upcoming Monday of Starliner, May 6th. Would be nice if you gave some coverage to that. Can you also take a look at current developments with Dream Chaser since it is expected to fly soon and Dynetics (possibly using ALPACA) since it is one of 5 companies to win a contract under Appendix N? I think ALPACA showed both innovative thinking and a lot of potential for sub-variants to be flexible in meeting various mission goals.

[@Go-lova]

*Fakemoonlanding*

[@JohnSmith-uy1tl]

Awesome video as always!

[@ellieinspace]

Thank YOU for watching!

[@bjs2022]

Yes, but too bad about the bad sound. Very unprofessional.

[@Virtueman1]

​@@bjs2022Sound was fine on my end

[@bjs2022]

@@Virtueman1 Yes, if you don't mind the reflected sound from the hard surfaces that are typical of a bathroom.

[@dunai2012]

Bill Nilson himself doesn't believe that Artemis II will launch on time because the safety is the top concern and the launching won't take place unless the infamous persisting heat shield issue is totally resolved.

[@ncyoong8]

If only countries can work together for the betterment of humans instead of sowing hatred and being suspicious of each other. Mankind can progress so much more if our attitudes are positive.

[@spacegator6376]

Bill is NASA's best hope. Local and an astronaut (kind of) ...

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Musk in 2017: We have full self driving cars NOW. You can buy the Cybertruck NOW. HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO FALL FOR MUSK'S LIES, Ellie?

[@Thunderbyrd.]

Tesla has those, how did he lie?

[@SaSatch_Chelyen29]

1969 they must have the technology to overcame the Van Allen Belt 😂

[@jimcabezola3051]

Great to see you and Eric Berger! What a sensitive topic... I'm glad I don't have to be in the hot seat.

[@yggdrasil9039]

As soon as i saw person of colour and first woman on the Moon as the mission statement i had a funny feeling this mission might not see the light of day. The aspiration to explore and extend human knowledge drove Apollo. The mission statement for Artemis tells me India, China or a private company will return to the moon before NASA does. Also the DEI statement 'Space is for everyone' on their X page... The corollary of that statement is Space is for no-one. That plus the horrible complexity of A3, and while I'd love to be proven wrong, I'm not confident about this mission at all.

[@douglasstrother6584]

NASA's Mission Statement is not Mission-centric.

[@parajerry]

@@douglasstrother6584 Correct...it's a leftist, DEI, Social Justice political statement. It has nothing to do with innovation or scientific progress.

[@JacquesMartini]

The need a black person on the mission to be the local guide on the dark side of the moon (in da hood, bro!)! 😂

[@spacegator6376]

"that a good question ..."

[@ellieinspace]

Always a compliment to hear, that’s a good question from an accomplished interviewee!

[@arthurwagar88]

Thanks again Ellie.

[@ellieinspace]

You are so welcome! Glad you enjoyed it

[@truthaboveall7988]

We spent 75B on our space program in 2023 China spent 14B - who do u think got more value for the $$ We r a mess

[@AL_K_]

I'm looking forward to more content on this topic

[@ellieinspace]

Thank you!!! Very frustrating seeing delay AFTWR delay

[@keithrange4457]

I love every article Eric puts out. I read then all and they're all fantastic information about my top interest subject

[@ellieinspace]

He’s honestly such an incredible value to the Space community

[@imconsequetau5275]

Having an Orion/Starship rendezvous in LEO does not preclude going to the Moon in the same mission. Use Starship to expend Delta-V for the rendezvous. Then boost Orion into trans lunar orbit.

[@aaacomp1]

haha, i'm in this video for like 1 second during that launch. Nice.

[@DavidSmith-kd8mw]

Eric is always interesting.

[@keywerk]

Femur breaks are no joke. I broke both of mine. Wishing a speedy recovery for you.

[@ellieinspace]

Omg I’m so sorry, both!?!?

[@keywerk]

@@ellieinspace motorcycle vs left turning tow truck

[@mysteriouse5891]

HLS and Orion should be seen as a placeholder until man-rated starship and infrastructure is ready.

[@kenjifox4264]

If they ever get Orion to work right. It’s heat shield has the potential of breaking and destroying the parachute.

[@richardnew1215]

I think a higher cadence with operational reliability is what NASA should shoot for. Getting to Luna repeatedly and dependably so that lunar experimentation and advancement there can then proceed. Great channel, Ellie! 🤓👍👍

[@percurious]

Thanks for the update! Nicely done journalism, as always! I wonder if they could circumvent the heat shield reentry risk with Orion by evacuating the crew to a crew dragon in LEO 😂

[@MichaelWinter-ss6lx]

That would be great! The only problem is the return velocity. Dragon would need much fuel, to get to equal speed and dock with Orion. And then the same amount of fuel again to slow down again for reentry. Werner vonBraun had the idea of a second very small space station in a very high orbit, for the moon transfer ship to dock. The crew then goes into a transfer ship that only ever goes between the high orbit and a low orbit space station. That was planned much larger than ISS. From there they simply board a Shuttle to the ground. At that point, the SpaceShuttles were thought to launch and land twice every day. Oh, the crew for one Moon mission would be 100. Yes, 100 astronauts for six weeks stay.

[@percurious]

@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx good point, i missed the fact that Orion does not simply comes back at transfer velocity and gracefully parks into orbit like Star Trek... lol ... Orion would have to shed velocity by atmospheric braking, defying the whole purpose of my proposal to not risk the heatshield/reentry while crew was still on board... How good that i am no NASA engineer 😬...

[@toenyabliss964]

Ellie, You're The Best🚀

[@ellieinspace]

Thank you!!! 🚀

[@mattpujol4787]

The problem with extended stays on the Moon is due to radiation exposure, astronauts have to be cycled out every 2 weeks. Part of an extended base program is a 2 week cadence of lunar launch and recovery missions

[@spicesmuggler2452]

Exactly. And what happens if something goes wrong then, those astronauts are goners.

[@mattpujol4787]

@@spicesmuggler2452 that's always the issue when you're landing on other celestial bodies. This idea that you'll go to the Moon and work on the base for 6 months is a bit of a fallacy.

[@edmundsim6251]

@@mattpujol4787 But the good thing is that you can escape the tribulations and say God isn't real on the Moon.

[@fredflintstoner596]

Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"

[@amirshay]

I will be super surprised if everything will go as scheduled. I see zero chance it will happen on 2025.

[@ellieinspace]

For Artemis II, right?

[@amirshay]

@@ellieinspace right

[@stephenhumble7627]

Artemis 3 should land on the moon with all 4 crew and even extend the landing to a full 2 weeks. If the landing ends up delayed to early 2027 that's fine. If things are progressing well and it's obvious a bit of extra time is needed to do things right it makes sense to allow more time - the moon can wait as long as it takes. The great thing about starship is it will be doing dozens of other launches and landings to and from earth orbit long before it does the HLS stuff - there has never been a lunar lander that has shared heritage with a 100% reusable commercial super heavy lift payload delivery system. Every flight of starship will help to validate the HLS variant because of the common architecture. Earth launch and landing of starship may be considered even harder than a lunar HLS landing as the moon has no crosswinds or clouds and 1/6th the gravity. The Starship HLS raptor engines will have accumulated performance data from hundreds of operational flights by the time it ever lands on the moon. With commercial use of starship proving it's reliability it means that the unmanned HLS landing on the moon will be a small iterative step and it may even be possible to bring the schedule for the manned landing forward. When we watch the 4th orbital starship test we should realise that the HLS will share so much design and manufacturing heritage we are for all practical purposes watching the HLS it's self flying.

[@SpaceflightExplained]

Yes I feel like we're more waiting on SLS rather than Starship at this point. Orbit achieved is an absolutely massive achievement and this means we are literally most of the way to the moon

[@seangaun]

Land at Hollywood's studio is real

[@davidbeal6925]

Love Eric and his work. He’s one of this best out there when it come to really knowing what he’s talking about and really goes his research.

[@wrightmf]

What bothers me is I don't understand how we will land on the moon. Yes I see the SpaceX lander but I don't understand the method (Gateway and how many refuelings?). As compared to when I was 8 years old couple years before Apollo 11, I clearly saw how we will land on the moon. Excellent you brought Eric Berger to explain this. While many others explain space stuff, this guy is on same caliber as James Oberg and Miles Obrien. A good point by Berger explaining purpose of Artemis is a sustainable program rather than flags and footprints of what the Chinese are intending. I agree fully we should test Starship docking, etc. in LEO. That is a huge task. While Apollo 9 didn't go to the moon, it was a very full mission as a NASA book on Apollo has photo of a tired looking CDR McDivitt captioned he was very exhausted with workload. And yes if we could put a man on the moon, why can't we put a man on the moon?

[@COGintheMachine]

Chinese too have plans for what they call International Lunar Research Station. They are developing Long March 9 aka "Chinese Starship" as a reusable rocket for sustainable moon presence. But just for the beginning they will use "oldschool" Long March 10 rocket. Which is, basically, a lot of Long March 5's stacked together but with new quadruple engine they tested couple of days ago.

[@Ipbulldog]

The USA is basically starting from scratch because the people who did the Apollo missions are either too old or dead. All those vehicles had “secrets” to getting things right for safety and just to get stuff to work. The paperwork archive details how it was supposed to work. The gone-guys knew how to make it work.

[@Jonathan-Sund]

The Van Allen belt is the reason, humans can’t safely pass through it (although we did in 1969, it must be true cos I saw it on a grainy black and white tv image)

[@user-kd9vz8jv8g]

​@@Jonathan-Sund😂😂😂好莱坞大片👍👍😂

[@douginorlando6260]

To save money, start with using Starships to get everything needed into low earth orbit and dragons to get astronauts into orbit. Everything would rendezvous at an orbiting station which is where mission components are assembled (the manned lunar orbiter, cargo, supplies, crew, fuel, propulsion stage to get to lunar orbit). Also assemble a lunar lander package (lander crammed with more supplies, full external tanks to deliver to the lunar orbiter, propulsion stage to rendezvous with the lander). When the lunar lander arrives at the lunar orbiter, the lander is prepped and astronauts get inside and land. Astronauts prepare a simple landing pad for future landings (interlocking titanium sheet metal plates staked into the dirt). Everything grows from there including a permanent dwelling & extracting water/oxygen/hydrogen from ice. At that point, the lunar base provides water, oxygen and rocket fuel for both the lunar base and the lunar orbiter. 95% self sustaining by weight. Other non lunar programs would also refuel at the orbiting station.

[@datamatters8]

Not sure why a lunar orbiter is needed for the first missions. Is an orbiting station needed at first? I don't know all the issues involved but does the following work? It does assume that Lunar starship has enough fuel to do roundtrip from LEO to landing on the moon. 1. Fill up refueling tanker in earth orbit. 2, Launch lunar starship with Humanoid robots on-board. No humans. Tesla will have robots working in factories in 2025. 3. Re-fuel lunar starship. 4. Fly lunar starship to the moon and land. 5. Have robots unload cargo and do some setup with solar power for recharge. 6. Fly lunar starship back from the moon to LEO. Robots stay behind and recharge from solar. [First moon trip has now tested all systems] 7. Refuel lunar starship. 8. Launch astronauts with Falcon+Dragon and Dock with lunar starship. 9. Launch resupply starship and dock with lunar starship and transfer cargo for next moon trip. 10. Re-supply starship returns and lands back on earth. 11. Fly lunar starship to the moon and land for first Human trip. 12. Fly lunar starship back from the moon to LEO and dock with Dragon waiting in orbit. 13. Dragon returns to earth. Steps 1-6 prove out moon mission using Starship before risking humans. Could even do it a 2nd time for confirmation. Would probably still be cheaper than SLS but congress would probably bark because less NASA money flowing to their states & districts. But nothing prevents SpaceX from doing this mission as a test program for Mars.

[@littlewink7941]

As soon as you say 'save money' you might as well pack up and go home.

[@douginorlando6260]

@@littlewink7941 instead of implying shutting off the money spigot by saving money, let’s just say more bang for the buck on money spent. Regardless what NASA does, China will use the lunar ice to create a self sustaining moon colony with a cost effective infrastructure that launches large quantities of lunar exports into orbit

[@officialwildcardadventures]

Eric's book is so good I read it cover to cover over the course of a couple of days at Rocket Ranch.

[@officialwildcardadventures]

The Rocket Ranch guys even made Bulent Alten's space goulash for dinner one evening. It was an amazing experience!

[@ellieinspace]

I can’t wait for his new book!

[@davidgifford8112]

It would be possible to take a crew in LEO and take them to Luna orbit and back, but as designed I don’t see Luna Starship having the delta v to land, takeoff and get back to LEO without going for a direct reentry. Starship is years away for being a reliable reentry vehicle from 25,000mph.

[@kongdingyou6723]

The man who claimed to have landed on the moon refused to swear that he had landed.. Is it true ?

[@AbelMcTalisker]

In a word, No.

[@Thunderbyrd.]

Nope.

[@SaSatch_Chelyen29]

He got angry and annoyed and punched that guy 😂

[@dhickey5919]

Important questions, Ellie! Corporate America is a massive bureaucracy, and few could be bigger than boeing. The problem here is that businesspeople are not engineers. One builds rockets and the other schedules meetings in the conference room.

[@anthonypelchat]

Thankfully, the main business working with NASA now is led by an engineer.

[@BrighterwithHerbert]

What a great interview! Eric is a real gem with his knowledge.

[@ellieinspace]

Thank you!!! He definitely is a wonderful resource

[@moosethompson]

I've been pretty down in SLS and Artemis seeing them as a necessary evil for a sustained presence on the moon. Eric has got me rethinking that. I really appreciate this video and interview. I've spent most of the past month with very slow internet speeds so am binging my favorite channels, yours being in the top few. ❤

[@ellieinspace]

Wow! That means a lot! I appreciate it!

[@matheusrocha8731]

For you Americans that are worried about not seeing the first man landing on the moon. No need to worry: China will do it soon.

[@chasx7062]

Lmfao, no way the Americans Landed on the Moon in 1969

[@matheusrocha8731]

@@chasx7062 Agreed. Like, in 1958 Americans sent their first satellite to space. Zero to hero in 11 years 😂

[@darknesshorizon3742]

The fact that people think a company like spaceX A company that like born yesterday can reach moon on its own is the most idiotic thing I heard today

[@koloth57]

Delay till ready, but iterate quickly to do all the tests to make it safe and sustainable.