Elon Musk's Dugout Loop - The Disaster That Almost Happened

My take on the dugout loop. Yes, around the end I mistyped "lifestyle", I'm very sorry, oh wait, I'm not.
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[@odiwalker3973]

Well yeah, but you forgot one very important detail: Dugout Loop will have RGB LED Gamer lights.

[@MouseGoat]

IM SOLD! XD

[@SlinkyStoney]

It must be fast!

[@GTFan8899]

The busses in my town also have that...

[@henriquepacheco7473]

RGB GAMER LIGHTS POG WE DID IT REDDIT

[@donflamingo795]

How many GHz does it operates on?

[@crispygamer987]

“This isn’t public transportation.” Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. It ISNT public transportation at all. This is publicly funded private transportation for the elite.

[@gibbonplays6111]

Dont we love it that instead of funding more transport for the less fortunate the US goverment throws money at more roads and stupid ideas like this

[@crispygamer987]

@@gibbonplays6111 No.

[@alalvarez7301]

It's almost like all capitalist elites are actually parasites whi haven't worked a day on their life and will only *permanently destroy all good things they come in contact with* But nO gUyse Le Musk is Le fuTuRe! A guy with a suit online told me so!!!

[@Lumposaurus]

It's not even that, it's yet another Silicon valley scam to take a bunch of money from gullible investors.

[@chishek]

They're just trying to give the feeling of money works all the time for up-mid class people. This isn't even real, they're just making more ways to spend money on useless things for f'n useless 10 minutes of enjoy.

[@WhamBang]

Elon Musk is really great for helping dispel the idea that rich people are rich because they are smarter than everyone else.

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

being a billionaire just means one thing and that is that you are absolutely ruthless. you don't care for other people, you almost literally walk over corpses to achieve your goals. There are no legit means to become billionaire

[@2goober4u]

​@@HeavyMetalGamingHD make a product that cost 100,000 dollars, then sell 1000.

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

@@2goober4u go back to school and think for a second why your comment is just wrong. basic maths is also not your thing.

[@2goober4u]

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD Joke /jōk/ Noun "A thing someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story or punchline"

[@ian_b]

Most of his ideas seem like things me and my friends would "invent" when we were 10 year olds.

[@14isoldenough]

Thats is the absolute best way to describe elon's ideas.

[@joehernandez9563]

Shocking that a guy who owns a car business wants to make us even more reliant on cars.

[@nenmaster5218]

I mean, this has 74000 Likes, which is good and all, but my Question is: So what now? Will anyone do the Thing/s that need to be done to help Earth and Humanity grow and get their s-it together or not? ??

[@MyLegsAreKindaLong]

Yea... We already do. Media keeps blow shit up bc they profit from people fear.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@MyLegsAreKindaLong Well, we can all do something. We cna change things in small steps by supporting people like Adam Something. People like Professor dave and Joe Scott. People like Sci Man Dan.

[@MyLegsAreKindaLong]

@@nenmaster5218 I have no idea who da fuq they are.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@MyLegsAreKindaLong I'm just someone on the internet. Doesnt matter who i am? But you did hopefully get my comment's point?

[@guy6074]

I get why all these “loop” and “pod” ideas are so bad now. They literally combine all the negative attributes of a train with all the negative attributes of a car. While ignoring and not taking advantage of the positives of either system

[@icarus313]

Bingo. That, and they take decades-old ideas for the systems that caused the problems we see today and rebrand them as novel attempts to solve those very same problems. -_-

[@crimzenwoffinden9973]

@@icarus313 we'll circle back to that one lol

[@bradm1507]

@@icarus313 It stems from a type of hubris or perhaps arrogance from thinking that because you're innovative and "disruptive" in one industry or discipline, you are well-equipped to be the same in another industry. It's a facet of the notion that "every problem ultimately is or will be a software problem" or, in other words, "all roads lead to tech." As a result, sometimes these "visionary" ideas suffer from a lack of appreciation for history and an over-simplification of the problem and solution. These folks don't always do the due diligence to understand why a problem exists and what already has been tried or thought of as possible solutions--they just assume the problem exists because the technology to solve it wasn't available previously. Further, these folks tend to view problems through a certain lens, which can lead to over-simplification. For example, they see congested roads and think, "What if we can use the 'wasted space' above and beneath roads to solve this?" And you see the outcome of this thinking: monorails, shipping drones (Amazon), and tunnels (Musk)--all of which have flaws or "solve" one problem a the expense of creating another.

[@magnarion]

There is nothing bad with a loop, a loop is the most efficient way of travel, pods are bad, and cars are bad. But people still want to use cars and don't won't to change means between different means of transport going from point A to B. So if the answer isn't just build more trains, then tunnels for autonomous cars are actually a great idea. We also need to eat less meat, we could just eat fruit and vegetables, but that doesn't make the attempt at making plant like meat bad. The fact is that we need to do something, pointing to the best solution doesn't do anything if people don't choose it

[@bradm1507]

@@magnarion Car's aren't "bad": they just might not be the most optimal transportation method within a dense urban environment. However, if you need to travel beyond the constraints of a fixed path, then cars are optimal--at least more optimal then trains. I don't know if there is one "right" answer or approach. Instead of looking for some kind of silver bullet, maybe the answer is to accept that different situations call for different solutions and that's OK. And the existence of newer technologies does not automatically make existing technologies obsolete or "bad." Maybe part of the answer is questioning the role of "big cities" since these developed before personal transportation options became so accessible. And the pandemic certainly has shown the downsides of crowded urban environments and mass transit systems. Cities also create a cumulative environmental effect: there is a difference between one hundred cars stuck in traffic on narrow lanes between high-rises vs. one hundred cars spread out over miles of comparatively open land.

[@praevasc4299]

This dugout loop is so revolutionary that it is ten times less efficient than a system built in 1896. But at least it has a sleek futuristic design!

[@partypooper8198]

dont forget the RBG and complimentary gamer gunk cleaner.

[@davidtitanium22]

it's actually closer to hundred times less efficient only counting for the passenger number, if you count the energy consumption and rubber tire waste... oof

[@prabhatsourya3883]

@@pleasejustletmebeanonymous6510 That is indeed the point. Adding a subway system underground doesn’t eat into existing road infrastructure, and serves as a cheap and efficient connection to the major station. But this solo pod system just ruined all the “tunnel building” tech part, and makes it look stupid once we look past the glittering lights.

[@ultraali453]

He should only design public transport for video games. Wait, he says the world is a video game simulation.

[@micklenier6152]

@@pleasejustletmebeanonymous6510 well, the thing with "boring company" is that they even suck at boring tunnels. basically the only semi-functional companies are "Tesla" and "SpaceX", and SpaceX is on verge of bankruptcy.

[@Skydive20991]

I swear, as European I can't understand why people in the USA are so against about the idea to use and take public transportation...

[@David_Solyom]

They've been brainwashed by companies into thinking that traveling by car is some kind of manifestation of their so called "freedom" they are so proud of. I've heard the arguement that trains are bad, because they tell you where and when you can go. This is something an actual American said to me

[@electric7487]

I'm an American and even as a hardcore car enthusiast it pisses me off to no end as well.

[@QuintonDolan]

You didn’t really call out the dumbest part.. there is no way for the pods to return back to the other station to pick up more passengers while the service is running. It’s a one way trip.

[@hoahuynh2734]

:) The pods stay at the stadium until the end of game then carry the spectators back to the dug-out if we have enough pods and enough parking space underground.

[@alexseguin5245]

@@hoahuynh2734 Which would imply these pods have a giant parking lot of their own underground, which was clearly unaccounted for in the project plans.

[@zilfondel]

The pods also are using an elevator?!

[@cristobalcaro3392]

@@zilfondel yeah, cause it is cool you see

[@CLASHROYALE-mn5wj]

@@alexseguin5245 true

[@KateeAngel]

"pod" is a buzzword to pretend that they are inventing new modes of transportation.

[@Pit.Gutzmann]

"Pods" always remind me to StarWars Episode 1.

[@JaminSilbaugh]

Someone’s been eating tide pods

[@breakprismatshell6270]

buses and trains are for dirty proles, pods are for the wealthy 'elite'

[@Jakob_DK]

I suppose the pods avoid red tape from the railroad industry.

[@revimfadli4666]

@@Jakob_DK as if those guys don't need to deal with the automobile + gas industry already

[@jonattanrobles4313]

imagine how terrible an accident would be in that single lane tunnel

[@hervegeorges]

great point, that happened in France, in mont blanc. 39 deaths. in a tunnel it is a death trap. Elon Musk is no genius whatsoever. He is just a con artist who got lucky riding the green wave because even tesla without carbon offset scams and great loans he would have been bancrupt longtime ago. EVs are not the future.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

Watching this video I'm assuming the accident IS the tunnel.

[@gandalf_thegrey]

You dont even need an accident to shut it down for good. Just have some leaking or some faulty electrical wiring (which is something you need to expect with underground adventures) and the entire loop goes down for maintenance. Similar to a roller coaster.

[@effingcool1780]

I can see hundreds being trapped inside that tunnel and being burned to death with no possible escape.

[@ian_b]

@@effingcool1780 It's okay, asphyxiation will be really fast, long before they burn to death.

[@staycgirlsitsgoingdown2]

Perfect! 1400 people capacity per event, for a 56,000 person stadium, for a game that famously can end at completely unpredictable times, using a system that can only go one way at a time. I also find it extremely funny that he thinks that that pod is gonna be able to safely accelerate to 150mph and then safely slow down to come to a stop… within 3.6 miles

[@lagg1e]

Elon is obviously making shit up. The system is also obviously targeted at a rich people, seeing as at best only 3% of people can use it. It could only be more on the nose if it was limited to exactly 1% of the stadium capacity.

[@JimmyJonJillakers]

Ah, I see the problem here. When you were talking about public transport you mentioned "walking." We don't do that here in the states.

[@yungdomino4718]

Hahaha

[@Nicoriss]

Paradoxically, when you park at the farthest parking lot, I'm sure you walk a lot + you wait to park before the game and wait to get out as everybody is driving at the same time. Insane...

[@RobinTheBot]

@@Nicoriss This! We walk a lot. Just not anywhere worth walking.

[@meghanachauhan9380]

Blessed with riches, cursed with a fat lazy head

[@sirhandsoap3953]

I know people who insist on always driving to everywhere, and regularly drive even a tenth or quarter of a mile to places. I know a lot of these people. I also do this.

[@CepheusTalks]

many of America's problems could be solved if they just invested in an actual public transportation system

[@theq68]

Almost all of America problems would go away with mass transit and public health but that is to socialist for them.

[@garyoakham9723]

@@theq68 welfare recipients get free healthcare. They’re still poor and lazy

[@AmbachtAle]

Or eighteenth century tech: Get a bicycle!

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

@Carl Klinkenborg and their solution is some sci-fi form the Jetsons

[@madsam0320]

@@moofymoo one day, you might find your body cannot cope with common cold virus anymore.

[@ArtypNk]

Elon Musk is like a pothead teenager. "Oh man, oh man, I got this idea for like, a tunnel that will be like, with pods, and it's like, ohhh man, it will be like amazing..." Only difference he has the billions to build prototypes that never really go anywhere.

[@JCGucci]

If the tunnel is only one way, that means all of the pods have to always be stored at one end of it. Meaning you need a huge parking lot at the stadium AND at the other end of the tunnel, making the parking situation actually worse.

[@PhilmannDark]

Hmmm... Elon is rich because he knows his economics. Selling thousands of cars with a tunnel is a huge bonus for him. Also, why let that huge parking lot around the stadium go to waste if he can use it to put his cars ... err ... pods there ... AND he can then sell an automated vertical parking ...scrap that... car efficiency storage next to the train station! There not being enough room. If that fails, he can bore more tunnles left and right (and down) to store the cars ... err... sorry... pods there. If you're Musk, what's not to like about this plan? What I didn't get: Why an escalator? Put a ramp there and the pods can drive you to your seat (if you pay extra)!

[@bertrandbolin7097]

Yes. Unbelievable stupid idea. But smart if you want to make and sell more pods.

[@DrWhom]

but it's underground!

[@Philemaphobia]

No escape tunnel? Is that legal in the US?

[@rocket7986]

The problem is, in America, no-one wants to walk that last 500 metres from a bus stop. They'd rather park 500 metres away.

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

to the point they even have those silly vehicles they drive on in standing position. no wonder the entire nation is collapsing under its own weight.

[@jogo798]

Thats they are getting f*ckin fat as*

[@wawawuu1514]

No, it's because the ultra-rich leeches on society rule the discourse.

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

@@wawawuu1514 grow up and own up to your shortcomings instead of looking for convenient scapegoats like some underage communist larper. the west is rapidly becoming the nations of the lazy, and it's your fault as its citizen, not some "ultra rich leeches".

[@Zalidia]

@@user-kc2fu8iw3v alright, how would I, random citizen, fix this? Genuine question lol, am interested in ur perspective on dis

[@lauruva4314]

"1400 people per event" for a 56,000 stadium, and nobody in this company has for a single second thought "yeah maybe this isn't that good".

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

tram can move 30.000 people per hour. metro can move 80.000 people per hour

[@philipsalama8083]

I'm sure plenty have, but who's going to tell the emperor he has no clothes on? Musk is notorious for throwing temper tantrums and firing people on the spot.

[@dyveira]

When I saw that stat I wondered why the hell anyone in their right mind would even consider it.

[@kylecalderon5680]

Most Dodger games have 30,000+ in attendance. Not 1,400 lol

[@lonely1951]

But cgi graphic smooth and pretty!!1!

[@indiomoustafa2047]

Its crazy how if you strip away all of the ridiculous aspects of Musks tunnel rail transport ideas you end up with a regular subway. Its almost like subways as a concept are already well thought out and do not have much room for improvment in terms of engineering.

[@Tea_N_Crumpets]

I live in Gothenburg in Sweden. We have a stadium called Ullevi, which has a seating capacity of 43 000. It’s dedicated parking garage has only 650 spaces. Why? Because we have one of the world’s best and most widely used public transport systems, that’s why. No one drives to Ullevi. Even if you live on the edge of the greater city area (which can be as far as 40km north or south), it would cost you about 5 Euro to travel all the way from your nearest bus or train station to the tram stop just outside the stadium, and it doesn’t take much more time than it does with a car.

[@jurgenkoks9142]

add on that, you can actually get drunk with your friends if you want because nobody needs to be the driver.

[@mikesemianczuk]

No it's because Europoors can't afford to buy their own vehicles or pay for gasoline.

[@jurgenkoks9142]

@@mikesemianczuk isnt that with anypoors the case? :D whats to special about the poors here. Atleast they have the option to move around with other means.

[@witherkichian4867]

@@mikesemianczuk as if americans are any richer when they're still paying for their own healthcare and their college debt.

[@VulcanLogic]

I just checked to see if the Metrolink line could get me to SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles from Irvine. Turns out, it can, and there's even a shuttle from one of the train stops to the stadium that's FREE. That would save 80 miles of city driving and about $100 in parking, while a weekend train pass is just $10. Except hold on, no. You can get there on time for the game, but the last train for the day always leaves BEFORE the typical game ends. I'd have to leave at about the end of the 3rd to make the train back.

[@user-bh2ow5it1c]

You forgot one very important safety issue: single accident inside the tunnel would put at risk all passegners, as there are no alt. routes to escape from, or reach the spot. The single narrow tunnel will be inaccessible to rescue operation and resume traffic quickly.

[@lucykitsune4619]

Also what if one of these pods caught fire?

[@auxiekitty]

plus only the electrical vehicles can enter without risking giving everyone carbon monoxide poisoning, and the tunnel is too narrow for larger vehicles to enter, so unless a tesla tow truck is invented then one single mishap can bring the entire line to a standstill

[@abbadons8476]

Honestly, maybe we should import some terrorists to fill those death tubes with sarin gas. But that would be hoping people dying would actually be able to knock some sense into these rich "geniuses."

[@iliakatster]

Sounds like the LA hyperloop is one accident away from being permanently shut down

[@HanSolo__]

THIS all could be solved so easily and for so cheap. Use the 25+ passengers helicopters! The costs could be chopped in a half!

[@bruakumfd2845]

feel bad for the engineers in these meetings who just have to smile and nod to keep their jobs

[@MrTridac]

Nope. Not at all.They're opportunists. Elon only hires really good people. Those engineers would get another job in a heartbeat. Yet, they choose to work for an idiot. They know those are stupid ideas, they only do it for the money.

[@mustardofdoom]

I don't.

[@supe4701]

@@mustardofdoom are you employed there as an engineer or any of it counterparts?

[@mustardofdoom]

@@supe4701 No. My sentiment is that engineers are human beings that have choices. Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.

[@arx3516]

@@MrTridac engineers don't have an oath like medics have.

[@perryborn2777]

I feel myself becoming more and more interested in trains and public transport everyday I'm from rural Texas, so I've always been reliant on cars, but since I've been living in San Antonio, I've been getting really fucking annoyed at having to drive everywhere. Sure would be nice if I didn't have to pay for gas all the time, or have easy reliable transport to and from public squares, which we don't really have in my part of town, cause we'd rather have parking lots. Fucking hell, I want to make my own town now

[@quackducky4765]

It never amazes me how trains and public transportation is literally a fix to 90% of problems in life

[@dhayes907]

Also watershed zoning

[@robinlaszlo]

You can't keep the "poors" off the bus, though you can definitely keep them out of your underground pod transport system though!

[@benpreston2163]

exactly. Its about not having to interact with other people

[@gustavchambert7072]

Sure you can, you could just raise the price of a ticket by a few hundred percent, or hell, let's say a few thousand, to really make sure we keep the dregs out. Now that the bus isnt full of unwashed labourers we can make some changes to the interior. Maybe put in some comfortable seats, an entertainment system and maybe a small bar or restaurant. We should also have plenty of space for a staff both with waiters and guards at the entrance (at a comfortable distance from actual passengers, of course) to ensure the security and comfort of the passengers. Now THIS os starting to sound like a system of public transport to be proud of!

[@haraldisdead]

That's all it is.

[@Ranzord95]

"I mean, yeah, we could focus on solving economic inequality, but... who will we hire to work under shitty conditions for a dirty cheap wage?"

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

This, but not with a negative tone. I'd probably be more supportive of public transit if the people who used it most didn't scare me off from being able to use it as well.

[@adamwilding9520]

GOD what a masterpiece. You hit everything that bugs me about Elon's whole "Cars are a problem? Then how about Cars Premium??? Riiiiight???" blech. America is so fundementally off-axis with all things city planning.

[@genz2380]

Yeah when you have a government as incompetent as ours taking care of the infrastructure this is the type of nonsense that you get

[@mikehunt8375]

Because it's only about 1 thing, MONEY! NO OFFICIAL EVER cared about anyone else's feelings, health, or state of affairs!

[@whoshotashleybabbitt4924]

You want to see poor urban planning? Check out Edmonton AB, Canada. Public transit is basically unusable.

[@manaspradhan8041]

@@mikehunt8375 America is where it is because it had too much money. Post war Europe was barely getting by so most of the cities were built around foot traffic instead of cars. Whereas America had too much money and just spent it on making all cities car dependent, made their zoning laws super strict ending up with suburban deserts which worked fine when everyone was super well off. Now they are just hotspots for miserable and isolated kids(read: school shootings)

[@cdsbradley]

If cars are so bad then why is there a Cars 2?

[@BorchikYes]

The word: "pod" drives me fucking nuts

[@Moarty95]

In The Netherlands we have something called a 'bicycle', we use em to get around

[@gibbonplays6111]

If only the US would invest in bicycle infrastructure and more affordable public transport it would be a much better country, i am so glad i live in a competent country

[@TimurKaramov]

I still remember when Elon called the diver "pedophile" when he publicly criticized Elon's mini submarine PR stunt.

[@chimsuaumo]

I remember that too. It says a lot about the guy.

[@shady_silhoutte]

Elon Musk is a man-child with an ego as fragile as glass, and a maturity rate of 12; he literally still thinks 420, and 69 are still funny, the guy is in his early 50s for fuck sake. Of couse that looney would get offended when someone sees right through his bullshit, because that would drive away all of his investors, that's what all he really cares about at the end of the day.

[@Thurzatuhl]

@@shady_silhoutte I agree with you on everything except that 420 and 69 are still funny :) Sorry.

[@Tupsuu]

@@shady_silhoutte hehe 69

[@LucasLima-pi1ux]

@@Thurzatuhl haha funny numbers

[@aleenaprasannan2146]

I do not understand why anybody has never asked Elon, 'what's the protocol when someone has a health emergency in his one way narrow single lane tunnel'?

[@toast3]

And also: what happens when there's a lithium fire from a battery failure inside those tunnels? The fire department has no conceivable access to the tunnels, and even given a tesla mini-fire engine, the other cars can't exactly pull-off to the side to let it pass. Even far more mundane stuff like a flat tire brings the whole system to a stop.

[@courier6960]

It’s more of what happens when any kind of disaster (minor or major) happens in the tunnel. What happens if there is a collapse and people are sealed in (it doesn’t seem like a very oxygen rich environment)? What happens if there is any kind of flooding? What about super hot or cold weather? What happens if there is an earthquake or tornado? How structurally sound is this tunnel? What happens if a breaker goes or the lightbulbs die? They can’t exactly drive in the pure darkness here? What happens if even a single person has to abandon their car or stops driving (a vehicular accident, a sudden allergic reaction or seizure, a blown tire, a battery dies or the engine catches on fire)? What happens when crime occurs here (a mugger robs people stopped at a standstill in the tunnel, someone is murdered or significantly wounded), how are any emergency services meant to get anywhere?

[@nshapiro3199]

Eggxactly

[@nathaniels9141]

@@toast3 You just fill the whole tunnel with water problem solved. Nobody dies from the fire.

[@Bphillips2808]

Hyperdeath

[@danielx555]

It's so weird to think back to that time when people believe that Elon Musk was possibly intelligent. He really blew that up.

[@nonyabidness8676]

Some people in America are so against trains and busses, they'll accept literally any solution instead of them. A nearby metro wanted to install light-rail, and I had an uncle that absolutely insisted that it was going to fail. "We used to have trains. We tore them out. Nobody rides trains." The system has surpassed all expectations of ridership. Nearby suburbs that originally held out against it expanding into their area are now accepting it as a solution to workday traffic and a way to bring shoppers to their business areas.

[@sammyjoaxon]

Here in Perth WA, at our new stadium, we decided to put a train station next door. Works great!

[@Tasmantor]

@off spec lol, what?

[@jamesmichaelcabrera9613]

@off spec f*** your tennis match

[@sammyjoaxon]

@off spec ummm no, it’s a stadium, not tennis arena and the train station is only used for when stadium is being used, so they run before and after. But it’s far enough away (a few hundred metres) that you definitely wouldn’t hear a train and also the stadium 🏟 has large walls. It’s for real sports (ie. Football and Cricket), events and concerts.

[@Matticitt]

@off spec have you been near a modern train track? It's way less noisy than a bunch of cars at speed.

[@Matticitt]

@off spec I'm not sure. I believe a line close to me was replaced 5 years ago, and the trains are around that age also. And while regular trains are really quiet, the light rail cars that run on those tracks are basically silent. I can hear cars driving on a 3-lane road 1km away while the train 50m away is silent.

[@Thunderf00t]

Awesome :-) FYI, boring company has now removed ALL projects from its webpage with the exception of Vegas!

[@CepheusTalks]

why am I not surprised to find you down here

[@david-3172]

auhhauauhuhauha what a joke of a man/company!

[@frenchieonthelens3997]

love your channel fancy seeing you here ;D

[@GahMehGrrrr]

@@CepheusTalks More videos proving what a fraud musk is. Obvious really.

[@CepheusTalks]

@@GahMehGrrrr it seems Tesla reported a profit.. not by selling cars, but by selling carbon credits to companies that do a lot of polluting

[@noahgeerdink5144]

In Amsterdam, they have a few very large multi-story parking garages, right next to the outer highway ring that runs around Amsterdam. Next to each of these parking garages is a very big metro station with trains running every 2 minutes. You park your car, buy a metro ticket and go to the city centre. And best of all, if you buy a 2 euro return ticket, your parking cost are discounted from 10€ per our to 1 euro per day. GENIUS

[@dominik262]

ow far is it from the city center?

[@noahgeerdink5144]

@@dominik262 5 mins by metro

[@Sophiebryson510]

Those are park and ride

[@noahgeerdink5144]

@@subjektivegaming I’ve studied in Rotterdam. I really love the ease of travel in Rotterdam center, the metro combined with the trams & rentable scooters make it very easy to get anywhere within the city. i’d only say the south of the city is a bit under served.

[@ridgesail]

Just a minor note, when they write "between games and events", I think they meant the combined number of riders to games and events, not riders in the other times when there aren't games and events

[@DrWhom]

possibly

[@StinkPickle4000]

"you want to combat climate change we should stop dragging 2 tone of plastic and metal around with us" THIS!!

[@CTimmerman]

6 people in a petrol car have a lower carbon footprint than 1 in an EV. Rail is much better; sail even more.

[@naveenarora6467]

@@CTimmerman Truth! Innovation required there too still. Rail can't take u everywhere

[@peskypigeonx]

@@naveenarora6467 But buses can fill those gaps

[@randomacc7721]

nah if u wanna combat climate change u should stop burning coal for fucking electricity and instead use nuclear

[@naveenarora6467]

@@randomacc7721 finally!!! Someone with a brain😂😂

[@Rocksidion]

I was a fan of Elon at one point in my life. Never realized how low my expectations could go. That's what happens I guess if you stop practicing to analyze things for yourself. Thank you for putting this out and helping me build the tools for improved skepticism.

[@hersirnordic2814]

i wanted to write more or less, the same. nowadays i feel likely elon is a fake.

[@feketefeher]

i live in Budapest and was a Musk fangirl myself. here ten or so years ago a guy, who’s hobby is transportation and everything in connection, got the job to reorganize the public transportation of Budapest as a whole which was quite old school back then. i believe Elon has the brain to do this too, and it could work out well. and this is what i find disturbing that he could do that but he wants something to work for Tesla too. maybe they could develop subway cars and electric buses, street cars too.

[@noonward]

being a big elon musk fan a few years ago, i became a social because i realized we need public programs not private capitalist ventures to help society

[@Danwheeler.]

@@hersirnordic2814 He's very good at getting dumb investors to believe these crazy ideas. It's all about how you sell it. So yeah..in other words.. Fake. People want to believe this shit will work so bad they don't question it one bit.

[@domferrel31]

Was Elon fan o fuckin hate myself now I was too stupid 😂😂

[@allangibson2408]

The “Dugout Loop” is larger in diameter than the London Underground standard gauge deep level metro tunnels. Boring Company tunnels are 12’ diameter. London Underground deep level tunnels are 11’6” diameter. So simple fix for the Las Vegas tunnels would be to buy some second hand trains from London and lay some track in the existing tunnels.

[@rajnadar6555]

I wish the tunnels were a bit larger so that when it fails spectacularly, the city could take it over and run buses/trains on it.

[@allangibson2408]

@@rajnadar6555 That was my point - the standard gauge London underground trains will fit with room to spare..

[@Sophiebryson510]

They can have ‘73 stock

[@Bezerker1181]

@@allangibson2408 Ya it would fit but its a tunnel made for cars / pods. Those trains weigh about 200 tons and go max 50 mph. Not that i think that the boring tunnels are a good idea but it usually takes at least 10+ years to even build a simpel strait metro/train tunnel due to the shear weight, while those boring tunnels takes a few weeks to months. Its funny to compare these things for sure but not even realistic in the slightest.

[@allangibson2408]

@Dark One The London underground tunnels are just cast iron rings. If anything the Boring Company tunnels would be more robust as they are designed to support a higher ground load. The weight of the vehicles is largely irrelevant compared to the weight of the dirt around the tunnels.

[@madisonlilly2859]

I love this take. It's so great to hear someone break down some of the many issues Elon's "public transportation" ideas have. That being said, though, I would like to point out something I haven't seen people discussing in the comments yet. Elon isn't designing anything for the public. Yes, the dugout loop, and other loops like it, aren't capable of carrying anything close to half the capacity of other modes of mass transit. The kicker is that Elon wants these loops to be for the upper echelons of our population to use, therefore they don't actually need to be capable of much at all. Hell, he has the money that if he wants his own personal loop that carries him and some staff, I'm sure he could do it! All this is to say that while yes, I completely and utterly agree that what Elon and the Boring company are promising with these loops is unattainable, the reality is that they were never intended to function to the degree they are pitched. In fact, I feel confident that these loops were pitched to the public to garner public support as a means to help Elon save money on permitting/convince city officials to greenlight the project.

[@partypooper8198]

elon does not have billions to fund a major construction project for himself. he is only considered so rich through the stock he is sitting on which has been dumping in value for months. this is not liquid cash he can spend. If he starts to cash out his stock he will need to make a public statement as to why. this would cause a massive sell of from investors and the combined selling of musk and investors would crash it completely. people are already learning about all the musk hype and getting out of that over priced asset.

[@trustytrest]

Even if its only designed as a vanity project, it helps if theres a lot of public outcry against how wasteful it is.

[@DiscoDashco]

@@partypooper8198 it’s the most tiresome template of an answer for him; his wealth is caught up in his stock, so he’s not worth what people think he is. That’s fine, so he uses the resources of the companies he owns to do what he wants to instead. You’ve just explained what incorporation does to offer leverage without an risk to personal assets. So as long as his companies have value, he has liquidity at his disposal. It’s not some weird situation that the nature of his businesses have gotten him into - it’s not exactly how many other robber barrens before him have deliberately integrated their wealth to avoid double jeopardy if organizations go insolvent. His humanist visions for the future is just the cover story to emotionally ensnare monied interests as investors to offset his own costs, and local governments who otherwise default as gatekeepers to his goals to make money. He convinces them this or that is necessary, and will somehow be the “bold innovation” that will usher in a solution to a common problem. But as all the videos on this channel go, Adam points out in accurate detail that most of his ideas are nothing but schemes to sell more Teslas. He is a money driven salesman above all.

[@rockspoon6528]

I took on the Hyperloop as a research paper in early college, and holy hell did that sour me to Elon. It's just.. so unimaginably stupid, like listening to a moron pretend to be a genius and have everyone around fawning over their "ingenuity" and "brilliance."

[@kensmith5694]

It is more like a highschool writing project.

[@mrlaz9011]

Only a few have the balls to shout: "the emperor is naked!"

[@kensmith5694]

@@mrlaz9011 Many just don't bother. I makes for less competition for our kids.

[@As-tray]

That's really all that Elon Musk is.

[@julesy6922]

yup, thats elon musk

[@gizoginjr]

Ah yes, the Dodgers Stadium, which is a baseball stadium. Baseball, as we all know, is famous for always starting and ending on time. Thus, a fixed-schedule service that cannot move any passengers in one direction until all pods in the tunnel have moved to the other end and thus cannot practically allow for any attendees to arrive late or leave early, is perfect here. Don't you just love being trapped at a baseball game because Elon Musk will not allow you to leave?

[@slevinchannel7589]

People really love to HERO-FY the Rich, even though objectively proven and factually in fact: the rich hurt the poor and the current systems makes them hurt us. This aint a Theory: We have the Data. The Data? We have It! C'mon, check channel like 'Second Thought' and 'Some More News' and give them a genuiny chance to explain to you that both 'There is No Problem' AND 'The Problems are so heavy its hopeless!!' is BOTH untrue and wrong and false. We totally have Hope. Give those KZbinrs a FAIR Chance, please.

[@ciello___8307]

also its pretty useless since LA provides a bus shuttle service from union station and the south bay. its quite good.

[@MrSchimpf]

And don't forget that famously many fans really don't get to the stadium in time for game start so if they plan to stick to a stubborn schedule, there's no way most of the fans WILL utilize it because they have to get through LA traffic to get there in the first place and miss the last vehicle inbound from Sunset...and if something breaks down, that's a long ride or walk back to Sunset from the Stadium.

[@beelzemobabbity]

Can’t imagine what would happen if there was some kind of accident at the game that would cause everyone to leave all at once.. the lack of safety measures is baffling

[@kristiaanstolt6931]

Baseball almost always starts on time in LA, cause it doesn’t rain lol, the loop idea is still stupid, but i imagine the loop would start going the other way about halfway through the game

[@thomazmareli]

The Maracanã stadium in Rio de Janeiro is actually a 85000 seats stadium with no parking lots, it just have a metro and a urban train stations

[@MistahFox]

It's like a tweet I saw once: "Elon Musk re-invented the wheel! Literally!" With a picture of a Tesla with a racing car wheel. Someone responded: "racing cars have had those for fifty years" and then promptly got blocked. It's hubris to assume you have the best most innovative solution to a problem without looking at past or present attempts to inform your own.

[@marocat4749]

And then it blew up.

[@DeathnoteBB]

It’s what companies do constantly, funnily enough. Take something that already exists and claim they invented it

[@RudolfJvVuuren]

Uh isn't it actually a bad thing to say you've reinvented the wheel?

[@rippspeck]

@@RudolfJvVuuren Not to gullible people, it seems.

[@wesleymays1931]

If you're trying to do something like that, and you don't at least _look_ at existing technologies, you're not innovating, you're just wasting everybody's time, including your own.

[@narniadici1976]

Nothing beats trains in terms of capacity, efficiency, speed and ecology.

[@abdmzn]

Preach.

[@stormwaker]

Funnily enough in the UK train ticket prices don't reflect that. It's cheaper to drive a car to the outskirts of London than it is to take a train from where I live. And that is even with one person per car.

[@abdmzn]

@@stormwaker that's because of a certain Margaret thatcher privatizing the rail.

[@UglyKidJoe71]

It's also a pretty pleasant way to travel

[@Tupsuu]

@@stormwaker Here in Finland I could book a ticket for a train that is leaving in ~2,7 hours to Helsinki (720km trip) for 23€

[@keithramsey5637]

Greed + access to politicians and planners = gross inefficiencies. USA USA USA

[@joemck74]

I've had americans say to me 'You guys just don't understand. In the States I need to take the car (a 2 ton 15 foot monster) to get a pint of milk, cos america is sooooo BIG my nearest store is a 20 minute drive away!" and they say it like that's a Good Thing. Like they're implying "maybe when your little country becomes civilised, you'll need to drive a huge truck for 10 miles to get a pint of milk". They got Stockholm Syndrome. They've been coerced into this lifestyle and are claiming it's great because, being american, they can't admit it's a bad idea or their whole self-image would collapse. They've been sold the idea that having a car is necessary to be 'free' and if you don't have one your life is a failure.

[@Crashpad14]

People act like Elon just magically found all the best ways to do things and we totally haven't spent decades figuring it out before hand

[@asmallguy6124]

@Bugsey Magee that doesn't sound so environment-friendly. i thought that was what Elon was aiming for with the Tesla project.

[@nosknut]

U mean like he did with rockets and electric cars?

[@mojotheaverage]

@Bugsey Magee it's almost as though the reason the covid deaths were so low was because something was done about it, like instituting lock downs. People like you are the reason so many are scientifically illiterate, the same logic of anti vaxxers saying shit like measles not being a dangerous disease because medicine is a victim of its own success.

[@TrilosonicResolutions]

@Bugsey Magee There's no point in arguing with people like that, they can't think a single step further than what they're told by media. Most of them think that the only fear we have is the needle, and not the mystery concoction that's injected straight into the bloodstream, lol. You're in the right.

[@hazzyavery7152]

@@TrilosonicResolutions "mystery concoction" like its a 16th century potion designed by a plague doctor and not by the world's greatest and brightest scientists. Lol okay, buddy. Enjoy your iron lung and reduced capacity forever while I enjoy being alive because I wasn't stupid enough to believe anti-vaxx bullshit.

[@Are_you_eyeballing_me]

"250 thousand people a year" As a Moscow resident I couldn't help but laugh at this shit.

[@Kingsmartie6951]

Who wouldn’t

[@kiraamv5507]

A City Metro In Indian city commutes more people in a Day in a city Like Delhi Metro transports millions in a Day

[@kiraamv5507]

And to get to the extreme ends of city it'll hardly cost you a dollar or two 😂 and you even spend whole day in it, it'll just charge you the amount which is between your boarding and departure point you can travel whole city in metro without existing the station and end back at boarding point and still pay nothing, I Find it Amazing 😂

[@Kingsmartie6951]

America’s public transport is pitiful

[@miguelhidalgo6000]

Absolutely. In my case, the Metro of Madrid transports 677 million passengers each year, so go figure.

[@ayaanahmed7455]

Bro, I rarely find people who open my eyes. Your videos are so realistic, looking beyond the flashy things with the added humour. I wonder how come you don't get existential crisis seeing through today's fucked society. Thanks brother.

[@TheSteelGuy]

It's... not even a loop. It's a fixed line.

[@Nivola1953]

They should teach the “Emperor new clothes” tale in high school, under critical thinking skills. These days too many “snake oil salesman” are famous and rich.

[@henryfleischer404]

They should teach more stories in high school in general.

[@Cloud_Beatsaber]

You never know when you will need to oil a snake. . .

[@TheWolli1234]

I almost forgot about it

[@Septimus_ii]

Selling snakeoil has been a key part of the US economy for centuries

[@noahwilliams8996]

I learned about it in elementary school.

[@l4ndst4nder]

If the Simpsons had balls they would remake the Monorail episode based on one of Elon‘s schemes

[@davicarvalho6699]

can you even stand that show in its current state?

[@trainsandstuff1021]

@@davicarvalho6699 also very unlikely considering how much they kissed elon in the butt just a couple seasons ago

[@ahopefor]

@@davicarvalho6699 How the mighty have falling.

[@davicarvalho6699]

@@ahopefor why are you a distorted Todd Howard

[@alanjamesh.zamorano1677]

@@davicarvalho6699 He's not distorted, it's just a feature

[@EcoAku]

I love the constructive sarcasm, and the socioeconomic and environmental concern! Your content is utterly compelling.

[@prize9550]

surprize surprize, the boring company removed these projects from their website

[@electric7487]

Yep, more hype to pump up the stock price.

[@lucasschofield8716]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people think Elon is some sort of super-genius.

[@desubysnusnu]

People usually fall for those fake quirky "I'm not like the other girls" archetype. Elon is basically "im not like the other billionaires"

[@AkshayShukla.]

"Hes tha real life Iron Man biroww"

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

Rich = good,smart,attractive etc person to some people

[@inplane9970]

@@AkshayShukla. Canonically, Stark isn't even a good person. He's a condescending jerk towards his teammates and even his protégé. He doesn't even view the other superhumans as teammates. Just overblown obstacles that get in his way at worst, and useful weapons at best. Spiderman is more like a pet project than a protégé, seeing the extent of how far his technology can go with no real concern for Parker. His neglect almost get Parker killed multiple times, despite knowing he's a troubled kid who needs guidance. So says a lot about who these people idolize.

[@makavelismith]

Oh he definitely is.,,, Just not when it comes to this idea.

[@igzom819]

Earlier whenever I heard hyperloop mentioned I always thought it would be high-speed tube trains not a damn glorified low capacity highway

[@kirti3839]

Same

[@Oddi0]

I thought until literally tonight that the Boring Company's goal was to make subways. This is incredibly disappointing.

[@lHawkyl]

thats not the hyperloop

[@lHawkyl]

@@thomashajicek2747 Dogout loop ≠ Hyperloop The idea of fast traveling trains in vacuum tunnels is still around, Musk just gave away the patent

[@ShadowLimited310]

I also thought it was going to be the first US bullet train, but alas people settle for anything

[@gustavomagro9934]

Fuck, the Vegas loop is a fucking 15min walk LMAO

[@the.abhiram.r]

as i become older, im realizing that elon's ideas are actually incredibly stupid

[@metsrock15]

Love how a century ago we had electric trolley cars then we removed them for busses because corporations

[@alaskanight940]

Because lead and acid aren't an environmental nightmare? Put on a few more leaches it will cure the vapors sir.

[@Bluehoke98]

Coming from Belgrade where we still use trolley buses extensively i can attest to the fact that their main disadvantage is the need to run the electrical cabling which means if u fuvk up the route design or your city's needs change it is an infrastructural and cost nightmare to change where the trolly buses go. We effectively, in Belgrade, still use the line as designed back in the 60s and 70s

[@odinallfarther6038]

Look up taken for a ride a documentary on how public transport was systematically destroyed bought out and dismantled.

[@odinallfarther6038]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pl6saXp6oNGmhJY taken for a ride

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@@alaskanight940 Lead and acid from hypothetical batteries can be recycled and reutilized. The only real dangers with those would be possible spills during major accidents - and it isn't like fuel doesn't carry its own massive issues in such drastic cases.

[@Bare_Essence]

"The dugout loop is barely a statistical error" ... lol. Perfect description!

[@wilfredoUbatuba]

Melon Husk would have been a genius visionary in the 17th century. Nowadays he makes himself look like Eric Cartman

[@Lily-ge4tm]

Something that Elon Musk seems to forget about designing infrastructure: if the system ain't broke don't fix it. You don't have to invent something completely new in order for it to be efficient and clean. He seems to completely disregard older systems and good examples and tries to create something without any background knowledge. The result is a nonfunctional system that lacks any logic. He's a dreamer that lacks the inner critic and planner that would point out these flaws.

[@RAYZOR-Xx]

"The dugout Loop is barely a statistical error" Holy shit the burn!

[@halyoalex8942]

That was my favorite line in the entire video. Absolutely fucking destroyed with facts and logic.

[@hindugoat2302]

the dugout loop is designed to move a small number of wealthy elite, bypassing traffic delays... a VIP transport system. its not supposed to replace mass transit like subways... This guy has the same basic complaint about any design that is not built for the poor or the masses, or is bad for the environment ect. There are luxury services and structures that dont fall into that category, that dosnt make them bad designs. They just dont share your values about including the poor, or protecting the environment.

[@spiderjerusalem8505]

@@hindugoat2302, why should we have those then?

[@murphy7801]

European scathing of Elon is high.

[@mateherbay2289]

"It doesn't even exist" :D

[@at_oussama]

Americans probably: "public transport is very socialism, no no no"

[@grandmabea6471]

The shitty thing is, a lot of Americans are very pro public transit. But wealthier Americans, predictably, don't give a shit! And it turns out the USA is a failing democracy where only the wealthy can really hope to implement political agendas, so the American people get screwed, the rich get richer, and meanwhile the Republic rots from the inside out.

[@weirdlemonthing3714]

Muh freedom

[@desubysnusnu]

I swear most Americans don't even know what socialism even means.

[@maknavickas]

No it’s because public transportation is for dirty poor people so I will not do it. It’s the same reason American don’t go to libraries or hang out at public parks, because you can’t legally kick the undesirables out of public places so therefore anyone who has the means to escape being around them does.

[@RobRIPDG]

Prague's population is 1.3 million, California is 40million. Comparing the transport isn't even remotely comparable. That stadium doesn't even come close to hosting that many people, it's a complete flop they want to repurpose it. California is a left wing province. They would 100% be up for some sweet over spending socialism.

[@benjaminbankart4000]

I was waiting for you to mention the many points of failure in a tiny tunnel with pods on rubber tyres. Flats or bursts, or crashes, oh my... I love your videos even though you always say the same thing! "Wow, that could be a train or bus and be so much better!"

[@flpmlks5181]

but public transportation is for poor people, not for someone who wants to show-off with expensive (yet poorly built) car.

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

You actually DON'T always want public transport dropping people right outside a stadium, cos it creates a big bottleneck for moving crowds safely. Good stadium design often involves a path or concourse to spread people out slightly.

[@Albergarri788]

Ok you can use all those parking spaces to make the concourse or a park

[@joiceraiana]

​​@@Albergarri788 Imagine how dope would be a amazing public park close to the stadium with good public transportation connecting to the rest of the city? The air would be better, the aesthetic of the place less harsh and people could bring their family to have a day when there's matches, instead of only arriving and leaving the fastest they can to avoid traffic jam. Plus, drinking without a designated driver and be able to sober up breathing fresh air instead of car fumes

[@Philemaphobia]

@@joiceraiana you might like a lot of European stadiums :)

[@isakaldazwulfazizsunus7564]

I was thinking the same

[@iamcurious9541]

You can have gondolas or smaller buses drop people of outside the stadium without much trouble. Just no high capacity public transportation.

[@SQSNSQ]

"And remember: public transportation is one step closer to communism!" - a (may be not so accurate) quote from a political ad within the GTA game.

[@dani1o25]

Elon Musk feels more like a GTA character than his actual GTA parody.

[@johannageisel5390]

That's a huge argument FOR more public transportation!

[@guill90]

”commuteism“ - noun - Advocacy of a classless mass transport system which create liveable, sociable cities and reduce traffic-jams while saving the environment. ;)

[@johannageisel5390]

@@guill90 Great! :D

[@evanr9583]

communism is when bus and train

[@wolf1066]

Billionaires, eh - they don't actually live in the real world. They have some rich parent who owns an emerald mine or two and they sit and think up ideas without realising that the "lesser people" - whose parents don't own emerald mines - routinely use things that are vastly superior to their "ingenious inventions". And the reason that they don't realise, is because they've never had to catch a bus or take a train in their entire lives; they don't even fly by public airlines.

[@poidachi6003]

if there's one thing Cities: Skylines, or any other city building game has taught me: "Having alternate routes and other type of vehicles to go to and from the destination is better than adding more of the same type of transportation." would probably apply to this kek

[@seanmartinson6249]

I think the one main aspect that you missed in this video is safety, and, I would argue, it's by far the biggest dealbreaker for all of Elongated Muskrat's "loop" ideas. These tunnels are tiny, single-lane roads with no ventilation, no emergency exits, no fire suppression systems, and, on top of all that, you're alone in the pod, no driver or conductor to take charge of the situation if something goes wrong. They're death traps, disasters waiting to happen. No vehicle is completely without risk of a breakdown, and with the loops as designed (and implemented as the vegas loop) there's no recourse besides walking slowly out of the tunnel the way you came in. I wouldn't get in one of those if Elon was paying me!

[@paulustrucenus]

That would make a perfect setting for a horror movie !

[@hodge12009]

Not only that...these cars have lithium batteries. When one crashes it'll probably catch on fire and release highly toxic smoke killing everyone in the tunnel as they try to run away. Kinda like the Kaprun disaster but _futuristic_

[@Oshroth]

There is an action movie from 96 called Daylight which is about a group of motorists getting stuck in a tunnel trying to escape after a truck explodes and seals the exit

[@kaivogel253]

"Elongated Muskrat" had me in tears xD

[@KingOhmni]

@@Oshroth Thanks for reminding of that film, I thought it was great as a kid as the setting was rather believable.

[@Root3264]

It's always "what if we had a public transportation system, but with CARS!!!"

[@moartems5076]

Its like combining the worst properties of both

[@Tate525]

The cars are the necessary component in this scam hahahaha

[@robopope7584]

Actually, it’s “what if we had a public transportation system, but with an inefficient and overly complicated, unnecessarily expensive, and completely ignore a simple and efficient solution that is already proven to work?” (It just so happens that it’s almost always cars/pods in place of trains)

[@manamemajeff6283]

​@@robopope7584 I read your comment and said to myself "Hey that's a very N type to do..." and then i saw your name, so you could understand what i mean right lolllllll (Btw I heard Elon is also an INTJ)

[@ToMeK3001pro]

i like cars

[@Razorgeist]

Why are these guys so afraid of trains? Also I live in Philadelphia and have never been to LA but the fact that Dodger Stadium isnt serviced by any subway or light rail lines makes me think people are too mean to Septa. I mean at least our stadiums are close to our major subway line.

[@Chrnan6710]

The Dugout Loop was proposed by someone who owns a car company.

[@tuffy135ify]

There is a very real reason why people keep trying to reinvent already established inventions. Established inventions have specific regulations for them. They are attempting to circumvent the regulations by calling it something else. It works "great" for guns in the USA.

[@MrMamanDon]

In my vicinity ( New Delhi India ) they built a single metro line in parallel to a slim road (which used to cause hours of jams). That single line reduced the travel time from 30 to 14 minutes and halved the traffic on the road too.

[@EricLDunn]

Can you give the metro line? I'll assume the lone isn't a tiny tube running standard cars. Properly built and located rail systems (underground, at grade, or elevated as necessary) can unquestionably ease traffic.

[@MrMamanDon]

@@EricLDunn Magenta Line (Delhi Metro)

[@EricLDunn]

@@MrMamanDon lots of transit development around Delhi. Tiny pod systems have no hope in an area as heavily populated and congested as there.

[@MrMamanDon]

@@EricLDunn Well if you want to decrease population small deathly holes with pods sound good.

[@arnavrawat9864]

@@MrMamanDonmagenta? Du wali line?

[@nelsondisalvatore9812]

If sarcasm were a power source we would conect this video to a spaceship and blast to AlfaCentauri in one week.

[@10gamer64]

Sorry, the universe does not allow FTL

[@peterpan4038]

@@10gamer64 With U-N-L-I-M-I-T-E-D power aka sarcasm FTL becomes the easiest thing ever. ;)

[@10gamer64]

@@peterpan4038 But what about time travel? Because if you go faster than light, a negative time will pass for you, which cannot exist, at least I think that is what will happen.

[@peterpan4038]

@@10gamer64 That assumption is based on petty things like math and physics. But nothing in the universe and beyond beats the power of sarcasm.

[@10gamer64]

@@peterpan4038 Yes

[@rongpirson5250]

1:03 In Melbourne (an otherwise fairly car centric city), there is a region called jolimont, which has the 11th largest stadium on the planet (MCG) next to about 5 other stadiums of varying sizes, and yet it has minimal parking, because it's served by two train stations which carry about half of melbourne's train lines, as well as several tram and bus services

[@boxsterman77]

If you had an event with an attendance of 35,000 people, a pod that can move 16 people to the discharge location in 4 minutes would take 145 HOURS to clear out the stadium. That is, unless there is a problem in the dogout, with its single-point-of failure design. Now have they planned for emergency vehicle recovery? I'm sure not. If you are going to pursue the cost and disruption of digging a tunnel, why not TWO! Reduce the marginal cost of future upgrade. Why go through that headache again? And why pavement? It's so damn stupid.

[@fake123]

Missed the worst part about all this. There's already an L.A. Metro Gold Line station ONE KILOMETER away from Dodger Stadium, in Chinatown. It's down a steep hill, but seriously, this "problem" could be solved with one covered escalator.

[@minecrafter023]

Or growing a pair of legs, but that is too much to expect from some Americans ;)

[@imwastedhere]

@@minecrafter023 oh yeah I forget what this things down in my waist are

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@minecrafter023 Kilometer is seriously way too long to walk.

[@minecrafter023]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 yeah, I know, it's like 12 minutes (or 0.62 miles) of walking, and that totally on your own, imagine how many bad things could happen to you. You need to be armed with a rifle at least to survive this dangerous adventure down the street or better yet book a short haul flight (the parking lot has to be so big for a reason, doesn't it? Maybe you can bring your plane down, I'd guess it's long enough) to be away from people who only earn half of your income (such peasants, ugh).

[@feonor26]

So I've been wondering about the LA metro. Is it a good and efficient mode of transportation? Don't know if you've been in Europe or if you have any other cities you can compare it with?

[@fmac6441]

In Rio de Janeiro there is a railway to the Christ the Redeemer, called Trem do Corcovado. It is not part of the city's regular transport system, is expensive by Brazilian standards, serves only to climb the Corcovado Hill and is not even the most convenient option for this purpose. Despite all this it transports twice as many people as Musk's solution

[@matthewcoveney4380]

Lmao

[@narthex1681]

Well it seems like a convenient way for tourists to directly access the main attraction of the city, doesn't it ?

[@fmac6441]

@@narthex1681 Not so convenient, as I said it's expensive and it's not interconnected with the common transport system, besides it's famous for the queues. Stadiums are also important tourist attractions and the forecast of a mere 250,000 people using the system proposed by Musk outside the games is very bad.

[@cigan9333]

been there, massive queue lmao

[@melinda2763]

@@cigan9333 Just wait till this dugout thing is built

[@johnnye87]

Never felt like more of a transit geek than when I got excited at you namedropping the Budapest M1 line. Aaand now remembering trying to persuade the friends I was on holiday with to take a trip on it when we weren't going that way...

[@DrWhom]

you should do Wuppertal next

[@CSXIV]

I said this on the Vegas loop, but I'll say it again: tunnels are expensive and time consuming to build, and they're building a tunnel too narrow to actually do anything of note. The single narrow tube just makes it worse. LA has actually been expanding thier metro system in the past few years, so yeah, there are better ideas.

[@InnerSpeaker846]

no need for Elon to go to Mars. He should just travel to Europe for once and could learn soooo much

[@temptemp217]

For someone to learn, they need to have some humanity and integrity left, alongside with not having a distorted concept of reality.

[@mikehunt8375]

Nobody is going anywhere! Why people cant see that is beyond me. They do this with everything, fill peoples heads up with fantastical lies, keeps morons busy looking up, while they rape and destroy the ONE place we should be focused on!

[@monochromefilter9295]

Damn, glad i could find another fellow tame impala fan 🥰

[@InnerSpeaker846]

@@monochromefilter9295 wuhuu we love the kevinsss

[@TheExileFox]

Not just him. City planners should also look at alternatives. Like why does the parking lot have to be all a flat open space? Why not build a 3-4 story parking space behind the stadium? This would use so much less space.

[@chrisalan5610]

I love how Elon is promising he'll be able to build a functional vacuum mag-lev train, but is also failing to create a functional bus system

[@teighandoughty1573]

You'd create heaps better things then him hey

[@NovaTrap1312]

@@teighandoughty1573 Cant see him creating one bullshit loop after the other lmao.

[@carlost856]

@@teighandoughty1573 than him? Definitively. Than the actual smart people he has working on his dumbass projects, no.

[@rippspeck]

The guy is a great salesman. He could sell Springfield a second monorail.

[@programmer1840]

@@carlost856 You'd do a better job at managing the smart people?

[@boeroeng4182]

Everyone: build a normal transit system Elon: funky tunne; go BRRRRRRR

[@frost-fireflareon2305]

When huge amounts of money is thrown out for an inefficient underground carriage system when 0.8 miles is reasonably walkable within 15 minutes

[@Jmcinally94]

It's crazy to me that even America's infrastructure departments can be conned by a charismatic enough snake-oil salesmen. Sure, city planners managed to step in and stop this loop, and you could argue the Vegas one (just like everything else there) was done purely for the sceptical. But the fact that this was even considered goes to show how easily you can just buy respect and influence in the US.

[@millenialmusings8451]

Because lobbying is legal in USA. USA is basically a bunch of very powerful corporations pretending to be a country

[@MrMarinus18]

It's also because of the way funds are allocated for the road. Roads are given funds based on capacity which is why there is always so much hesitation to reduce car capacity in any way. It actually is also the reason that underground tesla taxi thing is there. Because it was build cheaply enough that it was cheaper than the reduction in allocated funds that would come from reducing road capacity.

[@barbara_LL]

actually not surprising at all, he probably just did some serious loobying KKSJSKSNSKSND

[@arunkarthikma3121]

spectacle*

[@aweeeeh5255]

@@arunkarthikma3121 **minor spelling mistake**

[@xoxoj]

At this point. I think I’d pay to watch this guy interview Elon musk 😂😂

[@timberwolfe1645]

I Second the Motion!!!

[@flyingfoamtv2169]

yes

[@TheStarBlack]

Elon can barely make it though his own publicity announcements. He'd be hiding under the table if anyone actually questioned any of these "ideas" to his face.

[@rnomromro6715]

Elon would be like "Uh..the ..uh..when we do x..erm"

[@AntoniusTyas]

You mean 'Ripped Elongated Muskrat and his tinfoil hat on public events'?

[@etzool]

Living in Tokyo, this project was always ridiculous on its face... but learning about the Budapest M1 is freaking awesome! It's incredibly cool that it's still running and doing that kind of volume, even with upgrades.

[@phnv]

Rio did apply the Bus Lanes idea for most of the 2016 Olympics transportation problems, and they did work fine - apart for problems in maintenance and execution that are really specific to the city's politics, no to the technology itself. Being a rocky mountainous city by the sea , digging tunnels are really hard and expensive.

[@RCAVDH]

My view of Musk was nothing fanboy like but i did think of him as "one of the good guys" your perspective has really changed my mind. Thanks for sharing!

[@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide]

it takes little to change your mind.

[@RCAVDH]

@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide your calling engineering idiocy "little" ?

[@rhukiebeats]

@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide little? It's project after project of complete futile and inefficient stuff

[@Gamez4eveR]

@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide Once you start looking into it, it's a downward spiral. Musk ticks a lot of boxes: trust fund baby, incredibly arrogant not reflective of his abilities, incredibly jealous (literally went through the legal bullshit so that everyone thinks he founded Tesla even though he bought it when the company was already like what 2 years old), investor fraud (helloooooo solarcity), wholly ignorant on the matters of general science most would know by the end of middle school. He's a fucking con man

[@Yzeyr]

@@rhukiebeats not that im comparing them, but look at leonardo da vinci. A million projects and most of them is just prototypes and testing completely new things to see if you’re able to make them work

[@Jackson-vr1vf]

My biggest problem with underground car tunnels is car crashes. If there's an accident, how the hell are the police and ambulances gonna get to them? If a car fucking explodes, its not like you can just run away from the explosion, there's pretty much no where to go.

[@frozenser.2356]

Finally, someone thinks about safety for everyone and everything.

[@NinjaLLR]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Blanc_tunnel_fire

[@Aliquis.frigus]

Tbh, under my home city is a whole lot of tunnels, the city can be crossed east to west without seeing daylight for 3-5 miles. Road tunnels are safe if they're build smartly.

[@Hachiae]

im confused, does having a car "explode" around you in a tunnel make the tunnel into a cage? just run down the tunnel... the accident question just look at tunnels like The Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel

[@TheImperfectGuy]

@@Aliquis.frigus Not boring company tunnels if you've seen even video of a hyperloop being driven through

[@mnkeymasta]

7:10 We will have AI cars - With EXTREMELY LIMITED OPERATING HOURS Hey, remember when people's websites only ran during Office Hours?...

[@Dato-64]

Had the argument with an American a few weeks ago that LA is totally fit to host the Olympic Games with no changes to infrastructure and public transport. London had its highest level of passengers ever during the games. 4 million per day. The LA public transport handles 250k per day. They are completely brain washed to be car centric.

[@us3rG]

Brain washed ? Lol I don't understand why train people hate on people with cars. Do you by any chance own one?

[@zaarkeru3391]

​@@us3rG Because they are increadibly space inefficent, energy inefficient and cause a massive amount of pollution...

[@us3rG]

@Zaarker U I didn't ask why they prefer public transportation over cars, "They are completely brainwashed to be car centric." What makes few public transportation fanatics say stupid shyt like that ?

[@us3rG]

@@zaarkeru3391 have you ever owned a car?

[@zaarkeru3391]

@@us3rG Multiple, the last one a V40 T2 -16. That I had swapped to aftermarket suspension, "stage 1" custom tune running on E85 and a aftermarket muffler. I love cars, but the reality as a meduim of transport for most people its simply useless, and society shouldn't be built for car owners. It should be built for commuters, and we should car people should adapt. Public transport should be expanded.

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

Another problem with one-way tunnel only is that you need horrendous amount of pods to carry the people one way when they travel only one direction. Musk probably did not think about the fact that if a pod would have a way how to go back, it could be used more times in one event. Where will all the pods park? There will have to be enourmous parking spaces on both ends of the tunnel. How is that different from a car? The problem with a car is that it can take people only once to the stadium and than it takes the place in the parking lots. The problem of a pod is exactly the same. Regular public transportation on the other way runs back and forward and takes more and more people to the place. The problem of a car is that it spends 90% time parking. This is an uneconomical and unecological use of resources. Will pods have the same destiny?

[@electric7487]

Most of Musk's "public transport" ideas are ultra-exclusive rich people transport so they don't have to deal with us plebeians. They're all built on pride, hubris, and selfishness.

[@furatal-samaraie3884]

Hang on, so the pod takes roughly nine minutes to make a round trip, depositing 16 people at their destination... as the system can only handle one pod traveling through at any given time, the 1200 people have to wait in an orderly queue of 1200 people- sorry 1184. So that's 75 trips, at nine minutes each, and to make sure the last pod arrives in time, the first pod has to start its first trip 625 minutes before the game. Please arrive ten and a half hours early so you can catch your pod.

[@TanaisNL]

No, it's even better, they run like 90 "pods" through the tunnel which need to be parked on the other side. Then when the game ends they run those 90 pods back, where they also need to be parked. So now you need to reserve space for 90 pods on each side of the track. Good stuff.

[@milandavid7223]

Hmm... if only I had been given some sort of natural ability to traverse 3 miles in under 10 hours

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@milandavid7223 , I traversed something like 6 or 7 miles in under 2 hours... so. I suppose it's possible.

[@carlost856]

It's even dumber, the pods park at one side until they're scheduled all come back to the other side.

[@carlost856]

@@TanaisNL that's 1440 people you can transport per game night. I am in awe at the wastefulness of this shit.

[@Kishanth.J]

I can’t wait to explore the abandoned tunnel after this project fails

[@killman369547]

I wonder if Vegas will eventually replace elon's loop with a metro line after realizing how much they got screwed. They'll have to widen the tunnels though because they don't look big enough to fit a metro train into.... maybe that was on purpose idk.

[@ericamcqueen5607]

@@aiviavi8446 did you even watch the video?

[@aiviavi8446]

@@ericamcqueen5607 yep, I was having some internet issues but was super curious as to the content. Saw it later on and realised what I'd commented xD

[@jeffreychongsathien]

During the Big One...

[@Sycokay]

@@killman369547 It is because Elons "Boring company" maybe can bore a little faster than other tunnel boring companies, but can not in a big enough diameter. What use has a small tube? Ok, let's do "Hyperloop" and "pods". Hyperloop does not work, so pods it is...

[@arnastubuttwehak994]

When you suggested "walking" as the final link in the audience delivery chain I thought "Oh, that won't fly. Americans don't like walking, and often aren't physically ok with it". But the walk across the parking lot becomes as long as the walk from a transit stop.

[@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd]

The more people try to make transportation different from trains and buses, the more it remains the same to cars.