Elon Musk's NEURALINK vs Bryan Johnson's KERNEL (No Surgery)

[@elba_magellan]

Real step up for this channel. Big fan of Bryan Johnson and his efforts. Thank you for interviewing him

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the support Elba.

[@BryanJohnson]

Thank you Elba for the kind words

[@PeterPeter-te6pd]

time to be a Borg 😛

[@maspesasmasperras5554]

@@BryanJohnson hola

[@danielhampton4292]

This is the first step towards machines taking over the World

[@markaven5249]

I really like Bryan, he seems like a very genuine guy and has a sincere focus on self-improvement.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Mark. I agree.

[@jricemusic]

Watched the whole thing. Great interview! Been following BCIs for about 10yrs now and have been waiting for a non invasive tech to emerge that had the resolution and form factor for these kinds of things. I really like the approach of project blueprint also. We operate on so many levels in complete darkness of data. Psychology is the only medical field that hasn’t been based on evidence of the organ it studies. We watch behaviors and patterns and make educated guesses, sometimes getting it right and others horribly wrong. Depression, Alzheimer’s, dementia, Parkinson’s all are diseases of the mind basically and if we can measure the mind, we can experiment with all sorts of things to see what will fix it. I love Elon and am a bit of a fanboy tbh, but I want a non invasive answer to the BCI path. I’m glad someone like this exists and has the resources, intellect, and demeanor to actually make it real. I look forward to throwing on one while I record music or game, or meditate and start quantifying progress of building certain areas of the brain. Instead of muscle body builders this could allow Brain Builders to be a thing 😂 🤓. “Gonna work on my cerebellum and motor cortex today guys. Here’s my HIIT exercise routine.”

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the thoughtful comments J Rice. It's contributions like this that keep me reading the comments. Look at the diagram on page 13: www.kernel.com/hello-humanity.pdf And maybe check out our other intro to Kernel episode here. There's a decent amount of repeat info, but you might be interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWG5d5x7namabKs&ab_channel=NeuraPod-Neuralink

[@po-hsuanhuang5200]

Quality comment

[@RokSivante]

Daaaamn, Bryan’s really rocking the dystopian, genetically-modified, bleached-white/no-sun, plastic-surgeried, perfected-hybridized futuristic look. First impression, tbh: “oh shit. He’s really going borg.” Lol. Though surely Uranus in Taurus gonna transform everyone differently - this being one fine example - and to each their own. Still gotta honor & respect the passion, commitment, and progress with what path he’s chosen.

[@joeysipos]

You can tell this guy Bryan Johnson is a genius… this will probably be pretty successful!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for watching FreeSky 542

[@TheDingsBoms]

Wow, Bryan Johnson is really inspiring..! Almost sounds like he's trying to enlighten the world via tech

[@TAempath07]

I need to listen to Bryan more. Thank you Neura Pod.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for watching Tarun

[@LucasDimoveo]

please make more documentary style projects! I love this!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Lucas.

[@Paul_Marek]

Damn… the way Bryan treats his diet is pretty much robotic-like. It seems that all this tech is truly moving toward transhumanism or at least what many would call “less human”. Promising but very scary future.

[@natashavita-more478]

A healthy is more likely to be more human--more compassionate--than a person who suffers from ill health.

[@Paul_Marek]

@@natashavita-more478 True. And I also think that AI could help us become my rational/logical/spiritual humans. ;)

[@prizma45]

@@Paul_Marek what crap

[@sioncamara7]

When he was talking about avoiding cravings, I was thinking that the cause of the issue seems to be that our reward system is no longer developed for our environment. In the past these desires made sense since junk food didn't exist, so your brain telling you to eat a sweet apple was consistent with the environment since apples were calorie dense relative to other foods. Now we have a system that is telling us that we will be rewarded for a whole heap of things that are actually bad for us long-term. E.g, porn and junk food. Also, some aspects of our reward system that were helpful in the past can no longer function the same due to the technology we have develop for good reasons. For example, using artificial light makes it easy for are circadian rhythms to get dyregulated. Sleep cycles might not technically fall under the reward system, but it gets at the same idea of our systems not lining up with the environment we have made for ourselves. What instead of overpowering this reward system by never gratifying it we could develop technology allowing us to reprogram it for our current environment. That way we could make it so our reward system no longer rewards us for cookies, so we never eat them again. I bet BCI are the right path to "unlocking" this type of technology if it is possible.

[@NeuraPod]

Will be an exciting future, that's for sure.

[@brendabobillo]

Maybe the environments we are designing for ourselves are not matching our biology?... maybe instead of changing our biology, we need to design environments that enhance our natural biology that is available to everyone? just a thought

[@jdailey4063]

@@brendabobillo follows first principles ways of thinking. It does seem like something of value will be sacrificed by following the route suggested by kernel.

[@karunakar422]

Thank you it’s 👍 13:16 biological age vs chronological age 20:45 veggie food for better mental state

[@caydengineer]

Kernel, Paradromics, Blackrock Neurotech, OpenBCI, Valve, Neurable, NextMind, Blueberry, Cognixion, Meta, Neurosity, InterAxon... and so many more BCI companies exist outside Neuralink. This doc is exceptional quality, please expand your view and cover all neurotech!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the kind words cayden. We have a few videos covering other companies (Company Spotlight videos). I think they would've gotten substantially more views if we titled/ thumbnailed them differently.

[@silver_forest-k5i]

Neurotech from Blackrock sounds scary

[@ryanmichael457]

Your videos and information are always top notch! Thanks 🙏

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Ryan.

[@ryanmichael457]

@@NeuraPod I have a professional question for you, in your interview Bryan said hopefully in the next 500 years they will have succeeded! I’m a young man who suffered a Tbi stroke & my question for you is in all actual reality how long do you think it will be until they have a functional Bci that would help me regain function? I ask because you have visited & seen a lot of different tech companies, and capabilities, when he said 500 years I thought to myself I can’t wait that long! Any input would be greatly appreciated 🙏 thanks

[@MrChaluliss]

I feel like depression is a powerful motivator if you can make it past the lowest lows. Very interesting to hear about his experience a little bit. I only wish more detail on each topic was explored.

[@coreykern7604]

Great video! I am really excited about this company and our future. Bryan Johnson is breaking through major barriers. 100% support!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the kind words Corey.

[@matasuki]

This is why I subscribed to this channel.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks matsuki.

[@metamind095]

That was a fantastic rundown of the company. Thanks Ryan for making this documentary. I follow Kernel (and Bryan) for quite some time. I really like the non-invasive approach they have taken. I always wondered what clinical investigative resarch of the brain would look if you could transform the imaginig device (usally MRI or PET scan) to a wearble. Beeing able to measure complex brainactivity in natural surroundings is an absolute gamechanger when it comes to research of behaviour and social cues..cant wait what studies are in the making with this device! The editing was very good and ver streamlined to the end. Thing I missed however was that you dont included Kernels awesome study about music/song recognition just from brain data alone...first I read that I couldnt believe this was possible. ^^ I would also like to see what can be archieved with this device when it comes to sleep/dream research. Anyway Bryan if you read this, thanks so much for jumping into coldwater and bring BCI technology more into the public eye!

[@BryanJohnson]

Thank you MetaMind09. And I agree with you: mainstream neuro measurement is a game changer far beyond what is currently commonly understood or imagined.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the support MetaMind09. Fyi, we reference the music study in our prior episode about Kernel.

[@NeuraPod]

Hi Bryan 👋. Thanks for letting us come see HQ. Was fun to chat with you and the team.

[@metamind095]

@@NeuraPod Ohh I see, thanks for pointing that out.

[@exacognitionai]

I've followed Bryan's work for a few years (& Elon's) as part of my own work on cognitive AI. Kernel has an immense opportunity & like we found in studying the human brain for cognitive AI, the connection of brain tech to aging is direct, clear & beneficial. Exponentially so if we can better train, manage & optimize our own lifestyle including what we eat based on faster more precise physical feedback even using AI. Interesting video.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for watching eXacognition AI

[@SpaceGalleria]

50 year old gamer here , love this idea

[@puertorican850]

What an interview! Bryan is a fascinating android!

[@mediasurfer]

This is another exceptionally well made documentary into the current state of brain research. Unexpectedly, it also gives some fascinating insights into the thinking of Kernels founder Bryan Johnson as pioneer into the future of human existence. Ryan is a really talented interviewer. He treats his subjects and topics with the necessary respect, knowledge and seriousness that make his documentaries such a joy to watch! (I am writing this with a 33 year background in journalism).

[@NeuraPod]

Awesome. Very much appreciated Tarik. Omar did a good job of making me look better than I am. Interviewing is a skill I need to improve.

[@NeuraPod]

Though I should add I have great respect for Bryan, so that may come thru with the questioning

[@carolinejoanne5774]

Thank you! I do hope to be a part of all this new technology, wether improving my brain function or that of my patients. Nurse Caroline

[@lizardy2867]

I believe the Project Blueprint has a much higher impact than any other project I have seen in my life time. Imagine a generation of people built upon their best selves. I personally have always made it a priority to make habits which improve my baseline. It is very important to be in tune with your body, being complacent with feeling bad is a path to destroying that body. Boring information paragraph below: Depression is very rooted in physiology, health is not. Know that all you eat has a purpose. If, for example, you consume a donut, it will be digested in its purest form, sugar. After the initial high from digesting this sugar, you enter a depressive phase where your body starts to store excess sugars as fat. In another case, say, eating a whole bowl of mashed potatoes to the point where you feel bloated. For likely half the day after, you will feel depressed. One point is that you've eaten too much, so excess needs to be thrown away to maintain balance. Another point is that you are now storing some excess as fat. Lastly, the very essence of potatoes is starch, which digests slower than pure sugar. TLDR: Listen to your body, fight back bad habits, have some backbone to say "I WILL feel happy today".

[@BryanJohnson]

Thank you @lizardy. I feel the same way about Blueprint.

[@ultravidz]

Excellent work on this bro solid all around👌🏼

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the kind words AlphaOmega

[@rodrigovel123]

Go Bryan! Go Kernel!!!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for watching Rodrigo.

[@upoopoo]

Wonderfully informative, thanks for putting this together.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Mike.

[@magnamic5614]

Absolutely fascinating, Ryan! Thanks so much for sharing the amazing progress of Kernel. I know this company will have success. The path is difficult, complicated but clear.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the kind words and continued support Magnamic.

[@fredbloggs5902]

When you find out how this device works, it’s amazing it achieves what it does!

[@Miguel__]

Wow...! Imagine having a travel size mri machine in every ambulance and fire truck. Amazing technology/ necessary addition to our first response teams all a Ross Mmerica

[@leannab3865]

I watched this entire video. I can’t stop thinking about this guy and Blueprint. It’s so compelling.

[@-A-c]

Always down for more competition in the bci space.

[@aleksywnek95]

I'm glad i subscribed to you when u were just starting. I saw potential and ambition, and who would know - you already are the best channel about BCIs in the whole KZbin. And I'm pretty sure you will have an enormous impact on society regarding topics like this, or SI. The education is necessary in order for us to survive ASI. Thank you for your work!

[@NeuraPod]

Very kind of you. Thanks Aleksy

[@Smoking_cat11]

Bryan looks sooo clean he's almost perfect

[@NeuraPod]

Skin is an organ he's working on reversing the epigenetic age of- I believe.

[@Smoking_cat11]

@@NeuraPod very interesting I have a question do you think an explosion of knowledge and technology will happen 20 are even 6 yrs from now that will change our current generation.

[@serta5727]

Sounds really cool and useful I think many people will be open to this

[@johnmanderson2060]

I like the brain activity visualization, it resembles lightings ⚡️inside clouds ☁️ at night.

[@MarkBarrett]

I would try it out.

[@giovannisantostasi9615]

This is one of the most important companies in the world.

[@insighttoinciteworksllc1005]

I like Bryan Johnson's no-surgery approach over Elon Musk's one. Bryan Johnson's approach is more in tune with human development The only thing I suspect is that is not Johnson's original ideas. because his thinking is not based on inquiry thinking. He is one of those scientists that discovered through A. I research the model for A.I. of lots of memory with tons of knowledge was obsolete This A.I. was made in their image of intelligence. These scientists figured out something was missing and went back to the 1950s and started copying the Human development specials. This helped them figure out their own weakness. Now, they are all over youtube selling ideas they never have used. The Zeroth principle comes from the past but it was too abstract to understand. I suspect the Germans were using it way back then. The American model I call the Jeopardy Left brain Savant that can't apply anything only regurgitate. The model that binary thinkers from 3rd world can master.

[@BryanJohnson]

My objective in starting Kernel in 2015 was to make neuro measurement mainstream. To make the wellness of our brain and minds a primary focus of society. When the individual is not well, society is not well. At the time, every expert I spoke with told me that there was no viable path to build a technology that could break through to mainstream adoption. My team and I spent two years evaluating every possible technology. We built custom systems in house. We tested them on ourselves. We scrubbed supply chains. We pressure tested every aspect. We ended up finding a single possibility, and that's what you see in Kernel Flow.

[@insighttoinciteworksllc1005]

@@BryanJohnson All of that is great. I am not questioning that part. The part I have in question is the Zeroth Principle. I have 35 years experience teaching history and I explored the process of original thought. I know the process and it is not instruction or reading books. How can it be original thought if you have read? My question is what question did you asked yourself that your mine answered zeroth Principle? The pattern of your subjects leads to nothing which means that Elon Musk wins. What your doing is the key to human evolution. You should be test people that have manuplated the metric. Have you ever have experience someone reading you mind? I wanted to start something like what have. I called it Yeshua's Tree Project based on the Tree of Knowledge. All knowledge has patterns. The reason I can predict some things in the future. Your is one of them. A pattern is something from nothing. Thank You for your response.

[@mikehill1613]

Fascinating…thank you

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Mike.

[@Ryan256]

Cool company. Great interview!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Ryan

[@cryptokids3760]

There is benefit by making mistakes more than once. We aren’t computers and so we can come up with even better examples by experience. I do think it’s amazing how far they have come with Brian as the first real AI human, but we aren’t AI or computers and our mistakes make us human

[@johnmanderson2060]

Fantastic video ! Please remember to orient your stereo recorder upside (facing mouths) instead of flat (facing knees) as others say, use a lavalier mic to get rid of room ambience.

[@mikekaczmarek9955]

After watching so many of these type of videos i have come to the conclusion we have no idea what we are doing. Its like chimps trying to understand computers. So, so far to go !!!

[@NeuraPod]

Lol, true.

[@sioncamara7]

If you haven’t already you should check out the BCI being developed by Synchron. It is a promising approach. The approach is going through the blood vessels in the brain. The have already done human trials. Was also founded in 2016.

[@brandinginpajamas]

Yes really excited about this

[@amitgupta25121993]

21:00 - great advice

[@rustybolts8953]

Agree with Bryan 100% that sometimes some things can seem impossible but that's the point. Until we learn how to make them possible. At least I think that's what he was saying...?

[@SpiderCents]

Very cool, Loki can measure my brain if helps his tech! :)

[@rossfromsa]

Bryan's discipline is unreal.

[@rttp-righttothepoint6656]

the guy that plays loki will play the guy in the documentary about this guy who invented the fountain of youth

[@VulcanOnWheels]

32:57 I believe the expression he was looking for was "shooting the breeze."

[@xasancle]

What an interview, thanks! ☺️🧠

[@PalimpsestProd]

Good deep dive.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks PalimpsestProd.

[@jeremytipton6076]

Yup, definitely going with the, (no brain surgery) option. Do TD-fNIRS use entangled photons? I read an article about a microscope that uses entangled photons To boost resolution without increasing frequency or power Consumption. Probably important when shining a laser into the brain.

[@9thebear]

What a great episode. We live in interesting times!

[@royaldust]

Really good and detailed explanation, thanks. I should say though i think Neuralink is fundamentally a different product and shouldn’t be compared here

[@NeuraPod]

Fair point. Thanks royaldust. Tough to strike a balance of having an accurate title/ thumbnail with enticing viewers to watch the content we spent so much effort making.

[@ShiroNekoDen]

@@NeuraPod while different I do think that combined with research from neuralink, I think flow could lead to consumer full dive vr whether that's for gaming, reduction of time, space and material requirements in schools and work environments. Reducing environmental impact.

[@steveworth5757]

Great video. My second Neura Pod today.

[@NeuraPod]

Awesome. Thanks Steve

[@derasor]

Absolutely amazing. More content like this. Follow ups. Please!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the support derasor. Was fun. Hope to do more stuff like this in the future.

[@TheDingsBoms]

Great work my man!🤩

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Richard Max.

[@Polyrytmi]

took me 10 minutes to realize that asian dude wasn't a A.I Robot

[@jessegarris7037]

Really well made docu-style episode. Cheers

[@NeuraPod]

Thank you for the kind words Jesse.

[@valentinavanovac2109]

Respect Mr Musk!

[@NeuraPod]

Will do Valentina!

[@valentinavanovac2109]

@@NeuraPod Thank you

[@makhalid1999]

Really enjoyed

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for watching and commenting Abdullah.

[@tyrussum4779]

Ask a formal kernel tech to hey they quit after not being ok with company showing fake data

[@fredbloggs5902]

There was a BBC report yesterday about a guy with Parkinson’s who had a device implanted. A much simpler device than Neuralink but it might be worth a look. I’m not sure why they reported yesterday, it appears he had it fitted a few years ago.

[@rwhirsch]

i guess letting sun touch his skin is not part of his health regimen.

[@anitaschvitz9749]

So Bryan Johnson’s Kernel Isn’t torturing animals to death like Lone Skum’s Neuralink? I like that so much more without all the torturing to death Neuralink provides, what Monsters they are

[@HeatherFeFiFo]

Great video. Well interviewed.

[@onteractive6688]

this is amazing 🤯

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for the support Onteractive.

[@tjames22123]

I'm a fan. Research without invasive surgeries are the way to go. This is the way, not physical implants.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for watching and commenting tjames22123

[@michaelinzo]

I’m a gamer can be this used in gaming other than giving out scan details which is used by the medical industries. Can it be used giving out instructions in the game, controlling, and playing a game.

[@shumiatcher]

It’s time we get more data on the brain . We don’t know very much, in fact neurologists admit this Congratulations 🎈

[@townchauffeur]

In February 2021, Musk shared that Neuralink was working “super hard” to make its brain implant safe. He also stated that Neuralink was closely communicating with the FDA to start initial human trials later that year.

[@NeuraPod]

He skews optimistic

[@CalicoArchives]

Great interview!

[@ZT_Performance]

Loki is going to turn us into cyborgs. The future is going to be wild.

[@Myrslokstok]

Excactly 😂

[@ImpeccableWizard]

I get that most people can't feel their own blood flowing, but I can actually feel how every best pushes blood through my veins. But yeah, I can not say a whole lot about my brain and I guess that there is not a lot of senori there

[@amitgupta25121993]

21:00 great advice

[@CRASS2047]

I believe before Neurolink reaches a broadband bmi that is implanted and is widely adopted, technology will advance to a point where an implant is no longer needed

[@NeuraPod]

I think there are already plenty of applications that exist where an implant isn't needed

[@WizzKidxKOx]

"Avoid making the same mistake twice." Point to me in the brain where the concept of "mistake" exists, oh wait, its a human construct based on old norse and/or old french 14th century language. It's so general as to be useless. If he said, "avoid acting contrary to one's own will, so long as they are informed and consent" then I would agree, rather than appealing to scientism in place of morality or philosophy.

[@WizzKidxKOx]

I.e. is a mistake taking medium term payoffs? Taking calculated risks? Investing in gamestop? Invading Ukraine? Repeating behaviors with long term downsides? Avoiding all risks and living to be really old having never left your house? Being nuerodivergent? Choosing family over strangers? Spending on luxury vs donating? Allowing disinformation vs removing free speech? Not cleaning your room because you're protesting against society? Participating in techno feudal societal entropic media incentive structures for profit like youtube and twitter instead of frolicking in some beaucolic field somewhere? Wake up

[@WizzKidxKOx]

"Put on the helmet and measure you for "mistakes" ", lol what a joke. Just show us what we can measure in the brain to further scientific inquiry on medicine, psychology, etc. and leave the woowoo snake oil science diet enlightened self help pandering out of it.

[@WizzKidxKOx]

This interview could have been 5 minutes

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for watching SbaerO

[@AeroDepartment]

Is this basically a higher res apple watch but engineered to measure blood oxygen in the brain while calibration happens by playing aim lab on steam?

[@armouryourmind]

incredible!

[@gubatron]

Elon's Musks' Neuralink vs Loki's Kernel

[@GiaRcheulishvili]

My subjective self-assessment is unreliable. Epic.

[@Holyshiszle]

Getting Sword Art Online vibes from KERNEL and Accel World vibes from NEURALINK

[@valeyard00]

Why does Loki let humans run all those tests on him?

[@Smoking_cat11]

Lol dude I thought I've seen they guy somewhere before not knowing he does actually look like Loki

[@TDefton]

Great video! 🥳 this guy sounds like a supervillain origin story

[@NeuraPod]

Lol, thanks TDefton.

[@JJs_playground]

We're definitely moving closer and closer to the Matrix world (the part where all mankind is connected via a BCI / BMI with all other humans).

[@NeuraPod]

Haven't seen it, but I suspect you're right.

[@giovannisantostasi9615]

Bryan looks like an immortal high elf.

[@navinranabhat8185]

Please question for spinal cord complete injury please we wanna go for a long walk again and waiting for neuralink for a long time

[@JohnMcclaned]

so this is what loki gets up to when he isn't on set

[@williamlewis8773]

Q: Did you try using a full-body image to check for co-related resonant activities in the basal ganglia (lower lumbar region) , and in the major nodal plexxes of the peripheral nervous system ?

[@Dragam1]

I belive I have some greate notes and uppdates to contribute with on this. I find this very fasenating

[@LSD209]

Last comment from me, I promise.... Doesn't it seem probable that in a less intricate system that eliminates paths along the way, thus the continuance of decreasing the intricacy... That the increase of a conflict between two or more individual scenarios becomes inevitable, therefore it wouldn't be possible to stay on the desired course, except or only when the entirety of all transmissions or scenarios are synchronous. Which includes all that occur naturally.

[@pobembe1958]

Correct me if I am wrong, but This thing is inferior to neuralink, because it can't receive information directly into the brain, hence it can't do digital telepathy, nor can it compensate for spinal cord injury.

[@suchdevelopments]

Hi Ryan, I agree with Lucas. When will Neuralink human finish then public. I will volunteer for Neuralink. I am interest

[@NeuraPod]

Elon confirmed human trials will begin later this year. I'm not sure how you can volunteer, but hope you're able to. Documentary style videos like this are awesome. We're trying to do more. Basically the same as some of the Company Spotlight videos we had done. (The former one about Kernel is badass in my opinion. It's unfortunate it got so few views).

[@suchdevelopments]

@@NeuraPod It was informative

[@philiphenderson9178]

Thanks!

[@NeuraPod]

Thank you Philip.

[@viliusmitas]

With light shining onto lipid rich organ like brain there are lots and lots of chaotic scattering, so it's hard to believe in their success.

[@NeuraPod]

I'm pretty blown away by the fact I have a supercomputer in my pocket. Their success isn't guaranteed, but I believe what they've done up to this point.

[@BryanJohnson]

We do ground truth experiments, in phantom and the brain, for this reason

[@TalentedTenth]

Why does this man look like Data from Star Trek

[@sspectre8217]

I think what kernel is doing with Flow is great but I’m conflicted with what they said about demotioning the subconscious. Sure if you only commit mistakes once at most it’s likely an objective gain but that doesn’t sound very human to me. I’m not sure how I feel about the direction Kernel wants to take people, kinda feels like a removal of choice. I love everything else about BCIs but this I don’t.

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Sspectre.

[@kneekoo]

It is human as long as it involves human choice. It's obviously not something many people would want, because a lot of people want to do whatever they want, without anyone or anything telling them it's wrong. But it would be quite interesting to see where people can end up by knowledgeably acting towards their benefit. This is not something we should easily dismiss. We've already done personalized treatment in medicine for a long time now and we know it's necessary for us to get better. But medication is all about avoiding the bad. How about targeting the good for a change? Not only it should steer us away from the bad, but it can potentially unlock gains that we've never even considered, but benefit us substantially. I think this is definitely worth being researched. Knowing our bodies and chemistry helped us saves lives. Now getting to know our brains as well, it could lead to a happier life, less depression, more achievements, etc. And if we zoom out on a society level, it has potential for a civilization leap forward as a result of people being able to be more productive and more enabled.

[@sspectre8217]

After think on it for a bit what they could do in the future when there’s a machine/AI that can tell you the best choice is being able to choose in which sort of situations you can to be guided and which you don’t want to. Let’s make an example: A mathematician would likely want to have as much choice as possible while solving a problem to explore it thoroughly. An engineer would want more limited choice but just enough to check if what the AI is suggesting makes sense and then which one is the most practical, often the best answer isn’t the most practical. Then there’s the average person who isn’t involved in any STEM career who just wants the AI to solve whatever for them because they likely lack the theoretical knowledge to understand the process anyway. We could apply this eating, exercising, the list goes on. Some people want to make some of those choice and some they would want fewer choices some they don’t want to choose at all.

[@lizardy2867]

I do agree on some level. Learning through trial and *error* is a key point in the human experience. If we are never given a chance for error, we may take for granted these wonderful things we are given. However, I believe that the simple fact of the product being something you actively pay for, not something which is directly integrated into your life by some higher power, be it the government or otherwise, makes the whole "Oh but it lessens your freedom" point fairly moot. Final thought: You subscribe to the service, knowing the agreement could relinquish some choice. However, the baseline of choice should be maximized by that service before being publicly available. Example: Program recommends "You may be eyeballing that ice cream again, but if you had salad all of today you'd feel great." Basically, making it more casual.

[@sspectre8217]

@@lizardy2867 I have thought about it more and this could be great depending on how they implement it. I think the best way is to let each person choose how much choice they want to relinquish and in which situations. I know some people would happily relinquish all choice when it comes to food, they’d be like “get me exactly what I need, at the right time, order it for me at the right time” but other’s would want to have somewhat vague suggestions maybe once a day, maybe less. Choice overload is a thing after all but I think we should limit how much choice a person could relinquish to an AI helper.

[@Asaeax]

Honestly I’m in my decade of depression. And I can´t stand the feeling of SSRI’s, so stopped that, one after a day, the other after ~3 weeks.

[@First.Last.99]

u go bro!

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks First Last.