Give Us What We Want! | EMBN Show 365

[@embn]

Do you think eBike have enough power at the moment? Share your thoughts below!

[@demondavejeep]

yes

[@yodapig]

Yep - with Class-1 bikes anyway... Constantly focusing on power (and by inference speed) already confuses people who don't understand how these bikes actually work, and in turn those who then make the rules as to where we can ride them. If we want Class-1 bikes to remain accepted on bicycle trails, then we [or the manufacturers at least] need to start focussing on range and reliability now.

[@neilelliston]

Yep. Too much eats cogs

[@GarthFlint-nc2vj]

More power would probably result in trail restrictions. My Bosch takes my up anything I think I can do without losing traction. More power would just result in more spin outs and more from wheel float.

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

Id say the full power bikes have enough power it will be more about the tech that comes with it. Esp for fitness like specialized started with the smart assist. Connectivity and safety features like gps tracking incase of an emergency, theft, etc... I see the light weight category in the mid power still being moving towards something a good majority of mountain bikers will want. For example the fazua ride 60 system with some upgraded parts like bluetooth remote, and LCD touch screen like the TQ and DJI systems.. paired with long travel enduro or even future DH bikes where they are more shuttle machines than they are trail climbers and all mountain rigs. That's where I see the full power being king... An updated fazua bike like my heckler sl but in a V10... (with fazua upgrading all its stuff to match competition).

[@kevb8828]

Missing a BIG thing I really want to see!! Longer warranties as standard for emtbs!!!! When you are buying a bike north or 4k with it’s electrics etc then the warranty should be 3/4 years minimum! a 2 year warranty is just not enough for a bike so expensive we should be demanding that these bikes last for a decent amount of time considering how much they cost! Then hopefully bike manufacturers and motor manufacturers start putting more priority into longevity and reliability etc

[@IdrisFashan]

Agreed. Some of us dealing with long cold winters can’t get out enough, especially if the purchase is late in the season… so the warranty can work against us.

[@draftwood]

Agree. My Ride just got a new motor under warranty but I had to pay labor for the swap. I can't think of any other $6,000 item that requires you to pay labor during warranty period.

[@johndonnelly9832]

Hi lads I’m John been riding for quite a few years on mtb I live in Yorkshire and love it unfortunately I’ve had to have both knees replaced and struggled with the hills now I have a emtb and got a new lease off life and absolutely love it the battery helps me up the hills and I ride a lot further ps 66 years old

[@DX-tk6fy]

15mph is pathetic and really hampers the experience. The second my warranty is up I'll be bypassing that restriction

[@JosephDarby-p8k]

@@DX-tk6fy do it now don’t even worry about warranty. I don’t see the point riding a bike that is slower than an analog mtb. Volspeed chip is a game changer do it you’ll won’t regret it

[@wenlambotomy6231]

DO IT NOW YOU WONT REGRET IT. SPEEDBOX OR STUNLOCKER

[@DX-tk6fy]

​@@wenlambotomy6231I've got a bosch smart system plus rim magnet. €400 for a speed box is insane for what you're purchasing

[@Wimbelder]

Chip it don’t worry

[@anthonynazzal1958]

I want to see frame set options for new ebikes Often times brands lock consumers into build spec kits that don’t match what we ultimately want, and thus we often overpay for a bike only to remove and swap out parts for our preferences. Why not just sell a frame set / motor / battery option and let us spec our bikes as we see fit? I know some brands doing fact do this (ie: specialized w/ s works levo), but they are few and far between. More brands should jump on this imo.

[@Barneyshadow]

You can’t keep up with analog riders on group rides with the stupid speed restriction.. 70% of e-bikes are chipped…

[@macfly10]

The 85-90NM motors are plenty powerful enough. The bulk of my riding is in the "ECO" mode both from a range and an effort mindset. Currently living in Switzerland, the 25km/h limit is a pain. I would be happy with the 32km/h limit for the flat sections, dirt roads and transits having owned E-bikes in Canada and South Africa.

[@winters3]

Yes with Turbo, you ruin Your Drive Train in notime

[@AndyPerryify]

I’ve made the switch to emtb because skiing holidays are now prohibitively expensive and I get the same rush down hill on a bike, but with an emtb I can get more down hills in.

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

Power output it fine, but speed restricts do need reconsidered. however, that said, the UK speed restrctions on Pedal Assist Bikes is what it is because bikes can and do get ridden on pavements and shared paths with pedestrians and it's limited for that reason alone.

[@The_s_d]

Spped restriction for cars are everywhere, in the city, overland, highway. Why should ebike be hardware limited for the slowest possible scenario. For example in germany there are „play roads“ „spielstrasse“ where the limit is 7kmh. Since i can think every bike has to slow down to 7kmh

[@cookster322002]

On the subject of why I ride e-bikes. Back in 2019 I was hospitalised for three weeks with exercise induced rhabdomyolysis. The same thing rich had on gmbn last year in Arizona. mine is due to a genetic issue and was going to keep happening. I couldn’t risk it happening again and didn’t want to give up riding so started riding eeb’s. It’s allowed me to keep going and no more hospital visits.

[@vashon100]

I know what eb's are, ebikes are, emtbs are, but what are eeb's?

[@philhicks5818]

Looking forward to the weekend show , the reason I ride an ebike is simply because my first one was the gen 1 levo and loved the look of the big fat tyres and tractor look , now on my 3rd bike which is another levo , a 2022 model , it gives me so much pleasure when I go up to the Yorksire dales from Oxfordshire, and do a 36 miler ride covering 4-4500 feet of climbing and getting back with about 10 % battery as a safety net , ot gives me so much freedom up on them empty moors and byways , I get to see so much stunning countryside , also having a lot of titanium and other metal parts in my right leg after a mx crass , that little switch on the bars is nice to have as a back up .

[@patrickclark4068]

I had a heart attack a few years back and emtb has made a huge difference. I’ve had other health struggles but I was always able to get back to having fun with a low heart rate that protects my heart.

[@jonathanjames2024]

I have just created a uk government petition to increase the ebike limit to 20mph, I received an email saying 5 people need to sign it to activate the petition. I have the link for people to sign but it won’t allow me to post it here. Does embn have an email address I can send it too? We need 10,000 signatures.

[@neilelliston]

It's been done before. Not enough people signed

[@jonathanjames2024]

@ I saw that but thought it might be worth another try?

[@jerryofthebikes]

No more headset cable routing! Hey designers at: canyon, orbea, focus, mondraker (some models) and others! You know what to do, make headset bearing free!

[@johnyfive555]

100% agree!

[@ianharding3044]

I ride an emtb because it gives me that extra assistance and allows me to ride further. Hills are not a problem anymore. I love exploring the South Downs near where I live which was a challenge on my hard tail analogue mtb. At 66 years now this e-bike has put a big smile on my face 😊

[@utube091116]

I chipped my PinionMGU, because as soon as you go over 25kmh it feels like braking way more than a BoschCX. This completely spoils the fun on flow tracks; couldn’t wait for the warranty end.

[@JasonFoxLCB]

Welcome to the E2 club, Neil! Bought mine in July 2023 and haven't looked back. Still love the bike. No issues so far, realiability-wise, after 2,000 miles on the 801. Sounds like you got a great deal on yours. Enjoy!

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

Thanks for having my bike on again! =)

[@Bcking7872]

Good watch

[@glidesailrc]

I got board exploring my local area on a hard tail and alll but stopped riding for a few years. A mate gave me a quick ride on his emtb and now I have a gaint stance e+ which is plenty for me and all I want to do is go exploring now as hills don't scare me anymore. I like the toughnes of the alloy frame as only go bush and very rarely ride a bike park.

[@MTBPerspective]

I have used Schwalbe on all (12ish) bikes for at least the last 10 years - really great tires Most recently running the Eddy Currents on my Giant Trance X E+ and they are next level !

I think, from now on, the DJI motor system is going to be the golden standard in terms of power to weight ratio, and that Forbidden e Dreadnaught with the DJI is a serious contender for my next ebike

[@megane230f1]

It still does 15.5 mph and once you have had it a few months the novelty wears off, its a reason i would never buy another e bike until they up it to at least 20mph

[@gidrally]

2nd hand bikes - yes, yes and yes! I got into your channel years ago when I lusted for an eMTB but just couldn't make the numbers ever work, and things have only got worse, as you say in this video. Last year I finally purchased a 2nd hand Gen 1 Kenevo. It was a trade-in, it needed some small work but it had just had a new motor under warranty and the battery only had about 15 cycles on it. £2k - absolute no brainer, and got me back out on the trails. Had to put about £400 into it with new tyres, cassette, chain and derailleur but I honestly think if people are handy enough to do some work themselves, there is no reason to spend the silly money on new bikes... we need to send a message to the manufacturers. I'm quite mechanically and electrically minded/skilled, so have no fear of stripping down and repairing a battery or a motor anyway. Why spend the big bucks on a new bike - find a solid 2nd hand frame, the bits hanging off it can be fixed/replaced if the price is right. Got me back out there with money still in my pocket ;)

[@Dark_Vader888]

Made the switch to emtb five years ago and Im loving it. Not because of injury but just because I wanted to try something new. I'll never go back now,

[@davidmstephenson69]

Maybe they should talk about how the price of second hand e-bikes has dropped like a stone not just SL.

[@tromansn]

Depreciation is shocking! Highlights everything is overpriced new 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sickunit2096]

It is my opinion that manufacturers are “throttling” the technology and advancements they’ve given us and they’ll continue to do so for years. They want us to keep buying bikes. Tell me it’s not possible in this day and age to have internal transmissions with powerful motors and long range batteries. And for much less than what they charge us. I’d like to see frame and motor sets offered as well. Some of us like to build/spec our own bikes. The Chinese brands offer this already. Last, I’d like to hear EMBN’s opinion of the CYKE Falcon models, if you’ve even seen these bikes. I purchased one for the motor and battery and the low cost and customized it to make it a more proper emtb. Does anyone else out there ever ask you to review off brands-good or bad? I’d love to see your team build an ultra light and capable “china-direct” emtb and put it to the test. While I can afford a more expensive bike, I enjoy having 3 ebikes that didn’t cost me as much as a Trek, Specialized, etc. Thanks and cheers fellas. I love this channel.

[@Shawn-in-da-Canyon]

I don’t know how you guys ride e-bikes over there with the speed restrictions. That would drive me crazy. Here in So. Cal. I’m riding my EXe at the 20mph speed limit at least 75% of the time.

[@Kaltag100]

I say that what we need is standardization for motors and batteries. If I want to upgrade my battery and motor or change from Shimano to Yamaha for example, right now is impossible

[@yodapig]

That's like asking for the same engine in every car... manufacturers want you to purchase THEIR product based on its specification and performance over any other.

[@lostintransit5822]

The ability to lock out the motor making stealing them pointless

[@RedClay96]

@9:50 Lets go!!! Marin all day 💪🏽 only respectable bike my humble salary could afford

[@danielcedolin2034]

After Owning e-bikes for over 9 years and at one time 2 e-bikes I have recently purchased a Ragley Big Ali and love it definitely the lighter weight and nimble ride put a smile on my on my face . Yes loads slower going up but it’s not a race it’s all about the ride what ever your on 👌 still love the ebike as well just different .

[@squishybiker]

I have enough power in the Bosch CX. I would like my Rail to be built to be able to take the Bosch PowerMore 250Wh batteries for range flexibility

[@Ian-yf3fo]

More belt drive e-bikes.

[@reggiefuentes4599]

I'm 55 years old and currently ride an HT, Banshee Paradox V3. It is a great bike to ride. I would love to pick an FS/emtb, but I don't want to deal with the potential cost of maintenance. The reason I sold my FS frame. Maybe some time in the future I can afford to buy an emtb. I'm still having fun on my HT.

[@richiecaudwell655]

Pinion Gear Box/Engine has a new stead coming, looks amazing. What's a strong Trail/Enduro/DH Pinion Gear Box Brand from Rotorua, NZ. That ZEROED out the options. Right Up There!

[@NoobyVilager]

hope everyone is safe!

[@artsteale3443]

I would like to see all motor manufacturers use a speed sensor like the DJI so the power comes on quicker when you are starting part way up a hill. I don't need more power. I need the power to come on the instant I mash the pedals and not wait for the sensor to rotate sometimes, almost a full revolution.

[@markskielliott5962]

I think e-bikes have more than enough power. I ride a Orbea rise with 60nm’s and I’ve never really felt I need more power. If there is a hill that steep and gnarly your ebike can’t get you up then it’s not something that’s achievable anyway. The only time the extra power would have been nice is when I’m out with mates who are on full fat motors. I have made the change to the Merida e160 cf that I’m waiting on. I have my Orbea rise up for sale h15 at £2600 it had fox 36 factory grip 2, fox float x2 grip 2, renthal cockpit, pinnd cranks, upgraded brakes the lot and so far I’ve had an offers of 2k for it. The used market is horrific which is weird as my bike has been ridden hard but well looked after and has had a fortune doesn’t on it. I must say the bike has just shy of 1000 miles on it. Crazy!

[@thebeatontrack]

I live in NZ and have a Whyte whilst my daughter rides a Trek. I do find the 7km speed difference between our bikes a little annoying when we are on fire roads and she has to hold back so her old man can keep up. Not a deal breaker, but it would be great if there was a worldwide speed standard.

[@jskoust]

Exactly! MGU's but ZF quality / AMFlow Quality and power please!

[@jokermtb]

The radials are gonna take over

[@philhicks5818]

Give me a big heavy full fat ebike any day , have you seen how many sl e-bikes there are for sale already, I’m hanging on for the next gen full fat levo , congrats on the new partnership, schalwbe are freaking aswome tyres .

[@apfolklore]

What Ergon saddle do you guys ride on on your ebikes? Biggest thing the industry could do to increase sales is lower prices. No way they should cost as much as a "good" used car in the USA.

[@michaelgale3887]

We need 800wh batteries split into two, run one for lightweight or both for full fat, one bike would do it all 👍

[@The_s_d]

Speedrestriction are for cars since the beginning even if they have a max speed of 200kmh. I am for speed limiting on trails, or tarmac in da wood. But it should be possible to drive an ebike like a regular roadbike on roads. While more and more cities have a speed limit of 30kmh here in germany, ebikes should have the ability of the same speed for security

[@nick_john]

0:21 we could tell the industry what we want today, and if they listen to us, we might see some of it by say 2027.

[@barryholt3526]

I want the option to have low down power without having to pedal at a cadence of 120rpm. I want 95nm. I want an excellent warranty but it should at least last as long as the 4 year credit deals they use to sell these bikes. I want the manufacturers to concentrate on reliability over weight savings. I want to be able to run a minimum of 180mm dropper on the smallest size.

[@reggie5989]

well there is probably only one natural way for the future of e-bikes (not just for EMTBs). More motor development will probably continue to something similar to the dji's system. That being more power and torque in a light package. Battery energy density will trickle down from automotive batteries since those current batteries are more advanced then what are currently in EMTBs. For example current densities on bike top out at around 220wh/kg, while the newest EV cells range from 250-500wh/kg. I just hope that prices also go down as spending 7k+ on a bike with mid-level parts is crazy IMO.

[@octodadmtbmartyrichards2862]

I have riden zerode trail bikes and they are very good 👍

[@nahbrah12345]

Full power, mullet compatible (not 27.5 straight) 180 travel front and back with dual crown capability. MGU + 700 wh battery (would be awesome to have up to 900wh option). Due this, and win the eMTB market

[@natesteele760]

+85nm of torque, +700 watt REMOVABLE battery, 170mm travel, enduro casing tires, MGU debatable…when they can get that package sub 43lbs I’ll replace my 5yr old Levo. Right now not worth it to save 2-3lbs.

[@daveblackMTB]

I'm interested in traveling with an e-bike. What's the best way to get a bike abroad? It's currently -24°C here in Sweden with lots of snow, so a trip south would be fantastic. However, it's around a 30-hour drive from where I am to Italy, so flying would be the most beneficial option. Unfortunately, no airlines allow taking a battery on the plane! What are my options? I really don't want to take my analog bike! 😀

[@martinschwartz7342]

I would like to see the Pinion MGU bikes sold in the USA.

[@tromansn]

Sounds like last nights pinkbike podcast with specialized inspired todays show! (They said they listen to consumers in developing next gen)

[@carlthomas317]

Love long travel, so would love to see something light weight, long travel, but with a removable 500w battery. Not interested in range extenders.

[@OSUHARDING1ATECHNICEXPERIENCE]

hoseless brakes

[@JosephDarby-p8k]

I like the weight of an ebike 18 to 20kg would preferable. I have a cube action team and it a great bike. Would love a bike that has more power, 1500watts with great torque and power curve when peddling limited to 30mph. Normal mtbs do way more than 30mph when flying down the trails let’s not kid our selfs. With the extra weight you need all the speed you can get to clear jumps have fun etc on a Emtb. I feel like it’s a stigma to want to go fast. That’s why we ride bikes 😂

[@alexerioeduardo2844]

Full 29er 180mm DH weaponry!

[@demondavejeep]

Reason i ride e bike ,,,,,crazy comments.I ride ebike because i didnt get into downhill till i was 47,so had few laps to get up to speed .I ride a crazy trail called Rolling coal . I build SINGLE handed ,by hand alone the mighty athatbsca river .what a view .lol

[@graham2167]

A standard battery which works on all bike brands

[@danielcedolin2034]

Why not power brakes🤔 a small servo would help loads on big downs. .

[@obc3095]

I want a 160mm ,full power 90nm, 700wh, 64°head, coil compatible, easily derestricted, { belt driven...gear-less } bike. 3-4 motor modes and an on the bar "shifter" lever that increases or decreases the amount of support in each mode...so easily achieving 10-12 gear ratio equivalents. PS. I want credit and my royalties for this idea....$$$$$$

[@TeocoreOfficial]

Bosch can not pair with Garmin ,even if you import gps file it will not work cos Bosch like to push their products... Brose works like a charm, all data with Garmin!

[@thetogtube2]

MGU with belt drive on Santa Cruz or Specialized build 🎉🎉

[@martinschwartz7342]

Is Amflow coming to America?

[@gavinsullivan9015]

My average speed on the road is 23-5km/h unpowered. Easy to hit 32 without much effort. Crazy that an e-bike isn’t allowed to match what I can do on my own 🤷

[@jimkartalakis]

I don't understand why when you are talking or reviewing emtbs 99.9% you show full suspension bikes. I believe there are people like myself who enjoys a good hardtail more than a full suspension bike. I would love to see you review more affordable hardtail emtbs.

[@siriosstar4789]

@jim,,,,, 👍👏

[@Dustmuffins]

I think you nailed it with the "lightweight full power" ebikes needing to be trail bikes, and that's okay. I don't need to be pedaling around a 25kg 180mm travel bike on my mostly flat trails just because I need more range for a longer ride or need more power for a super steep section. The Amflow and Orbea Rise seem to be the only good long range, full power trail bikes out there.

[@TheBrokenMountainBiker]

Am I the only one who likes a heavy bike? My Kenevo weighs a good 25-26kg and it's just so much more planted and gets deflected and bounced around far less than my previous bike (regular MTB) I used to have to ride clipped in due to my left foot constantly coming off the pedal (I'm dead from the knee down on my left leg) but that never happens on my Kenevo.

[@robhaskins3068]

I've now got my Amflow pro in Australia I am going to frame mount a manual change 14speed Rohloff directly above the brilliant motor. Will have a lower swing arm high pivoting around the Rohloff axle with belt drive to light rear wheel with no tensioner necessary. It's a MGU that's near silent with a proven Rohloff mid mounted. Probably add a kg to centre of the frame. I want more weight as I am nearly back to my birth weight at 60kg. E=mtb² or is the Amflow (Amway as my mate called it) E=mtb³ Watch this space.🤫⚡️🙄

[@markhowlett9951]

What about conversion kits.

[@paulhusky580bts]

i glad ride ebike after diagnosed with Osteoporosis August last year as loosing bone density and Muscle and Lost 12.7KG Avg 1kg a month

[@anthonynazzal1958]

Also would like to see a fazua range extender …….. lol, jk, that’s never going to happen at this point

[@vashon100]

Glad Steve's grandpa glasses were discarded.

[@david029014]

I want lower prices on everything, bikes, gear, services! It's too expensive to ride a dam bike!

[@vicgregory7596]

User Polini the best end user serviceable e-bike motor

[@michaelleigh2446]

as an old "ATB" rider side pull brakes, rigid, etc. when the fanciest thing we had was a "flex stem" I'm really dismayed/ confused by the changeability of bikes now, ....buy the brand you like with good spec and ride "to the bike", not try to adjust the bike to suit you, I'm mid 60s now so looking for a new toy to rekindle my interest, prob levo or kenevo but can;t get my head around headset cups and flip flop brackets.

[@ZaxDrumsGolfandMore]

I think e-Bikes have enough power. I think they are making a mistake with batteries and chargers. I think they should have a universal charger like they have made USB-C for mobile phones. 🚴‍♂😀

[@mitchelmckay3651]

Gen 4 levo/kenevo🙏

[@Kev2Bee]

85Nm/600w is more than needed. Once the motors are displaying HP specs they will be considered as motor cycles and then the game is forever changed.😢

[@wenlambotomy6231]

15.5MPH SPEED RESTRICTION IS RIDICULOUSLY STUPID. CANT KEEP UP WITH NON-BIKES ON A RIDE SO WHATS THE POINT! THANK GOODNESS FOR SPEEDBOX AND STUNLOCKER ETC. WHICH MAKES OWNING AN E-BIKE ACTUALLY USEABLE.

[@ggoozzii]

People are tired of paying thousands of dollars for overpriced bikes at ripoff prices which don’t last and break down easily that are made for pennies in south east Asia.

[@fudganuld]

More affordable e-bikes Please..!!!

[@winters3]

30/50kmh

[@pjewk]

The bikes are too expensive. Really who has 5-10k savings? If you spend 7k you get poor components.

[@LunRis]

So... the guy on the left is bald, I presume...