LIVE COURT | MA. v. Karen Read Daubert Hearing Day 2

[@springer585]

Dr Russell deserves a medal! She stood her ground so well

[@beepboop8374]

I love her. I was so frustrated for her. Brennans constant “you can’t really tell can you” in every question was so condescending. This woman has quadruple the experience and training of any of the people who worked for the prosecution

[@me_6613]

@@beepboop8374I was too! The audacity of the PA!!!

[@beepboop8374]

@ Jenn “hos long to die in the snow?” “It’s raining men” simultaneously deleting everyone’s phones who happened to be in that house and rehoming them as well as conducting her own side investigation with the wife of the lead investigator

[@shkrjam84]

Medical provider here… replay crew, still watching Brennan’s cross. What’s frustrating for me is that there is a reason there is no “standard methodology.” How often do we have a criminal case that just so happens to have injuries allegedly caused by a dog that are NOT fatal, that could be unrelated to the cause of death? The only scenario I can think of where this type of circumstance might happen is someone being pursued by police and K-9, and just so happen to also have non-fatal dog injuries and a separate cause for death unrelated to the dog. In such a case, the medical examiner would likely have more information about the circumstances. Imo, there is not a single person more qualified than Dr. Russell to determine MVA vs dog for these injuries. Just so happened to be a forensic pathologist, an ER physician encountering both, a physician rounding on injuries for patients in police custody with a higher rate of dog injuries, and a particular interest in that area of study. I can’t wait to see argument by defense and defense chew the prosecution “experts” to pieces with Brennan’s own arguments.

[@middleseester]

I’m not through it yet either but I’m just sitting here wondering if Brennan trusts his doctors or if he questions them on how they came to conclusions. I’ve only ever seen doctors be qualified as experts by stating their education and how long they practice and maybe a procedure due to some standardized psych test. This is extremely frustrating and to me a ridiculous line of questioning.

[@shkrjam84]

@@middleseesterhe’s definitely making decent arguments, but he is twisting her words and, imo, doing so in a deliberately deceitful way. Like a feigned ignorance is how it feels.

[@erinkeiko8951]

I’m also in cross, and I absolutely agree. There’s no way to have a standardized methodology that would satisfy him. It would be unethical for researchers to purposefully attack people with dogs to assess wound patterns. I feel like this kind of methodology is what he’s reaching for. I love this doctor as a witness. She’s absolutely fascinating. I hope he doesn’t keeping twisting her words and testimony like he started with.

[@Nunya2025]

because ppl are not computers. victims are not computers. therefore each case will be differrent.

[@archangel807]

Russel started as a Boston cop also. For 80 she is so together and tough...

[@forrestfey]

I hate it when cars with sharp teeth try to bite you.

[@molliwilson5639]

LOL

[@CarlaB-p4r]

😂

[@phatpharm06]

😂

[@ohkay2090]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jeanwinders9556]

You have to pay extra for that feature.

[@AnaFox]

I'm in the middle of cross, and the most frustrating thing about this is seeing one of the most qualified people in this trial be relentlessly questioned and (almost) berated. They are really afraid of her testimony since they must mock it every single time.

[@intothemindshaft]

The dog is good but My fave bit is still that bloke driving to a military base to dispose of phones before they had to give them in

[@DanaVolney]

Forever shady actions!

[@swantron4335]

If I were a Massachusetts resident, I'd be so pissed my tax dollars are going to this case. After watching the first case and these hearings, it doesn't feel like a prosecution of Karen; it seems like the prosecution is trying to defend themselves for the disrespectful "investigation" they did for John, not prosecute. He deserved better.

[@ellenw391]

Spot on....I've posted on this here & other places repeatedly. It also horrifies me if I, or one of my friends or neighbors had something bad happen, this is might how it would be turned into a circus sideshow. He deserved a full & proper investigation. But without it, MA just needs to let this go, not bring in a mob atty on MY DIME!!! And often overlooked, is those of us who live near the Courthouse & shop on the main drag in Dedham (where my Pharmacy, my Costco, my gas station and so much more is located) takes a fast errand and makes it a full blown nightmare when court is in session. I MUST go through Dedham to get to my Dentist. No matter how much extra time I allowed, it wasn't enough. The overall inconvenience to thousands of us is overlooked. They don't show the Courthouse is a 2 lane street, mostly tree & home lined until a small section of Dedham Center prior to Rt1 (the main shopping drag). It is not equipped for this fiasco. It might be tolerable if there has been a credible investigation that produced info to warrant this endless disruption. There wasn't. Blaming Karen won't fix that. I'd much prefer MY tax dollars go to investigating the investigators. Maybe fixing a few pot holes. Not this!!!

[@swantron4335]

@ellenw391 Wow! I had no idea HOW bad it is for residents on a daily basis. I'm sorry, Ellen. Thank you for sharing this!

[@heathermcgovern1529]

We are. The whole state police as well as local departments are all on FBI radar. The corruption goes back generations.

[@ombre111991]

They should do this kind of hearing for the cw's "expert" trooper paul... took Jackson about a minute to show that he is completely clueless. I'm offended that a real expert has to go through this extensive hearing and others are just accepted

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

Defense actually want Trooper Paul to make a fool of himself in front of the jury though. Excluding him would not be in their best interests.

[@domynoe]

@@ombre111991 I don't know if the defense can bring up that at least two of the cops were under investigation because of their shenanigans, but I hope they can and do.

[@ombre111991]

@@domynoe me too!

[@tiffany2943]

Not just Trooper Paul. ALL of the troopers should be questioned with this level of scrutiny with respect to following police procedures

[@phatpharm06]

What?! Trooper Paul took a six weeks course! They mailed him a certificate and everything! I still cannot believe the CW thought putting on the stand was a good idea.

[@amycolangelo7804]

As a MA taxpayer, this is infuriating!!!

[@Alisha_79]

I bet it is! As a non-resident I am infuriated for you all!! My husband who's not into true crime like I am, he's even infuriated for you all too! I can't repeat his exact words here.

[@angelsoldier4444]

MA here too. This is bullshit

[@lizzimmermann7164]

I really don’t like Brennan. He’s nasty and hostile and aggressive when he doesn’t need to be. You can illicit the answers you need from this woman without being an ass.

[@nikigore1957]

He's infuriating

[@careyculbert5071]

The jury won't like him either

[@AnRey18]

Why is it okay for AJ to be nasty or rude? I thought Brennan did an awesome job.

[@SandyOhNo]

​@AnRey18 there is no jury, therefore he could leave the nastiness out of it.

[@AnRey18]

@@SandyOhNo you really think the defense would give some grace to the state witnesses in a evidentiary hearing? I doubt that.

[@lseh]

Couple curiosities I have... 1) Does Dr. Russell regret getting involved now? Lol 2) Has Brennan pissed her off enough that she's going to make it her mission to create a credited program/process that's adopted by medical field so no one can disrespect her or another medical expert as he did today? Lol EDIT: "Methodology"

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

That would be epic!

[@jackmanjack211]

hope she does and names this questionning as her motivation

[@beepboop8374]

Every “scientific” process (which he kept excluding from medical processes for some reason… when medical science is science…) started as a method of recognizing patterns. Hence “hey all of these people have the same open lesions and are suddenly dying afterwards, let’s figure out the common cause.” Or “hey all of these people on these ships for long periods of time are suddenly becoming ill, maybe I should pay attention to that and figure out how to stop it.”

[@JulieeeB]

I’ve had the same curiosities lol

[@me_6613]

OMG yessss!!! Dr Russell, please do so!

[@Stoshnut]

Dogs nails grow continuously over their life time. As they age their claws will become thicker and more brittle. They can also grow differently depending on nail care or lack there of.

[@crystalfarmer4074]

Yep! The more often you clip them the shorter the quicks become, they change even just from everyday walking on concrete.

[@madisonimogen6509]

Same for their teeth, depending on their dental care. Have they lost any, are they blunter from chewing on tennis balls or other items, have they broken a canine or other tooth, have they had jaw injuries etc…

[@crystalfarmer4074]

Hey Brennan guess who else didn't go to the scene... Proctor despite being the lead on the case didn't go to the scene, none of the medical experts the cw called last trial went to the scene, you Hanky didnt go to the scene. I fail to see how that matters. There are no pictures or measurements from the scene of John O'keefe or anything to help anyone figure out measurements or how he was laying or what he looked like, what direction was his head, arms, hands, legs, feet? Thats right nobody has any proof of those things because nobody documented a dang thing at that crime scene

[@maddiemalacopa]

Right??? During that whole line of questioning I was like uh bro did you not watch the first trial?

[@debbysalmon2498]

I don't think he did.

[@ericerickson21]

@crystalfarmer4074 So, based on the unreliable evidence that was provided by the CW, you can't make a definitive statement, can you?

[@archangel807]

the scene is actually the basement

[@beepboop8374]

Don’t most Medical Examiners NOT go to the scene? He kept asking if she went and saw Chloe but I don’t think most M.E.s (even if the dog bite were contested) would go to see the dog themselves, but they would test the wound itself and not the clothing because any biological material that puncture the skin will likely leave something behind. Super odd that never happened. ME’s work with the body of the deceased.

[@countryrat6t6]

The minute they first brought up dog bites/attack in the trial... it's been the only thing that halfway makes sense to me without forcing it. Makes sense that a big dog like that lunging and biting at his arm, could have easily knocked a drunken man over backwards in a way that caused him to whack his head on something hard. That instantly makes SO much more sense than being hit by the tail light, and only the tail light, of the SUV.

[@beepboop8374]

@@countryrat6t6 causing him to “pirouette” but still hold onto his glass tight enough to have it next to his body but also shatter it but also not force any of that glass into his body but also not break any bones anywhere

[@origamikiddo2625]

Agreed. And seeing other trials with clear evidence of the manner of death or person who did the act, you can see how much clearer, quicker, and simpler presentation of evidence is. But then when you have this trial or Murdaugh is much longer cuts you have to present many outside seemingly unconnected things that by the end either make this puzzle of it has to be Alex or, IMO, jamming not matching pieces together that kinda don't fall apart and since a show was missing had to be a car collision even though scientific evidence on car and victim doesn't support that.

[@dpoopie]

Brennan shows his true colour. Repeat-Screaming the word FACT didn't make it so. He's worse than Lally in conflating and mis-stating evidence. The 2nd trial will be painful to watch.

[@Ieezeca]

More painful than Lally? I never would have thought it possible, yet here we are.

[@debbysalmon2498]

I was really looking forward to a interesting trial. No it's going to be painful to watch him.

[@WvBeurden2222]

When Brennan screams that John O'Keefe's his foot was run over by the Karen Read's SUV.. Which was a total untruth.. John had nothing no injuries on his foot, one shoe was found later ( because that shoe was still in the house!) then we saw him lie everything together!

[@me_6613]

At least we may not have any “what if anys”

[@phatpharm06]

Until Brennen asks “who if anyone was driving the ambulance?”, he has a hand up on Lally. But his I “represent the mob” mentality is showing.

[@ericerickson21]

So basically... Brennan: The first word of this sentence. It doesn't convey the meaning. Dr. Russell: It's the constellation of words that convey the meaning. Brennan: I'm asking about this first word. You can't decifer the meaning fron just that, can you? Dr. Russell: No, the word by itself does not tell you the whole message... In closing: If each word by themselves do not contain a whole message, then the whole sentence can not. 5 times zero is zero.

[@mariampogosova8295]

Can you imagine a similar discussion of DNA expertise? Does this fragment alone make sense to you? What about another isolated fragment? Then billion times zero - is zero 😂

[@Exploitiv]

5 times zero doesn’t always equal 0. It equals 5.

[@kevinwynne8308]

It must be interesting having a conversation with someone who just speaks with one word to convey an entire message. So much ignorance in the comments.

[@NexusLexus25]

No, I am sure it’s strengthened her resolve that this is injustice. When so many cases show the harm by see something, say something, she seems emboldened. Bring it!

[@sparkyroots369]

It wouldnt take much for me to retort "If a huge dog burst into this room and bit you, who would you ask for help from?"

[@norainwheelz5342]

Usually a silent viewer, but I just wanna say I appreciate your videos so much! Thank you for lending us ur time, brains and humor 😂❤ These videos have been a nice distraction during multiple hospital visits..please keep doing ur thing, for as long as you enjoy it 🎉

[@me_6613]

Get well soon ❤

[@vegemite_toast]

If after 10 weeks of trial, the table setup in the waterfall is the only "certain" fact we know then she should be acquitted. Because a world in which people are guessing whether someone is guilty is a dangerous world for citizens to live in.

[@DanaVolney]

I am so nervous for her 😟 I could re-create the night at the Waterfall in my sleep at this point.

[@angelasandersbooks]

32:02 I find this special prosecutor disrespectful af. Ageist. He quite literally disregarded the good doctor's extensive experience (likely longer than he's been alive!) and was flippant as hell. JMHO. I have more, but I don't think they're Law Nerd appropriate. This guy rubs me the wrong way.

[@Stoshnut]

Also feels sexist harping on a man "helping" with her paper.

[@angelasandersbooks]

@Stoshnut , yes, just all. I don't think he'll be well received by the jury.

[@crystalfarmer4074]

​@@angelasandersbooks he can be the biggest 🫏 in the world and still put on a nice, calm, kind front for the jury. As much as I dislike him and hope he behaves the same way in front of the jury it doesnt mean he will.

[@maddiemalacopa]

When he called Dr Russel a layman either no training or experience in closing I felt so disgusted.

[@angelasandersbooks]

@crystalfarmer4074 , yep. He's been on both sides and *knows* how to behave, but will he? Can he help himself? I can't believe I'm saying this: it makes me miss Lally, a little. Maybe. They're both awful, IMO.

[@Geaullie]

I have shoes in my hallway, therefore there have been several car collisions in my hallway

[@khizzy9802]

Karen didn’t take her shoes off when she was frantically looking for JO. She must be guilty. CW logic! 🤣

[@AlcideIzMine]

I laughed way too hard at this lol

[@origamikiddo2625]

Yes. And I say things and scream in my sleep so those are probably confessions and not a confused, drunken, sleepy me trying to make sense of things

[@torieagne9046]

The defense needs to use EDB's comments to prepare this expert for how to answer questions during the trial when she's being cross-examined by prosecution. EDB's responses shut down so much of his malarkey.

[@Alwayslearning56]

I showed my husband the picture of John’s arm and asked him if this looked like injuries from a shattered taillight or an animal. He said unless the taillight exploded when the car blew up there was no way that it was a taillight injury through clothes. He knows nothing about this trial.

[@domynoe]

This case passes me off so much. The prosecution wants to ignore the puncture wounds entirely (or claim they're from a broken tail light, which makes no sense to me). AND ignore the fact that the officers were problematic. They really should have chosen not to retry.

[@Ieezeca]

You must not be to the part where he suggests they are freckles yet...

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

​​@@Ieezecaso ridiculous. Of course because he was irish!!

[@domynoe]

@@Ieezeca I hadn't. I got fed up. 🤣

[@CarlaB-p4r]

@@citigirlcountrified1927 😂😂😂 I was like huh?? He’s Irish and got freckles ?? Was so happy when Dr. snapped back at him “oh, are you a doctor ?”

[@beepboop8374]

@@CarlaB-p4r god that killed me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kier4680]

Genuinly, you're so damn cool! Love your content and you seem like such a solid, kind and genuine person. True role model material!

[@origamikiddo2625]

We love our EDB, welcome friend!

[@malibukaty11]

This is so ridiculous ! She is so overqualified it’s not even funny. And then their “expert” that took some community college classes??

[@bell1990]

Hilariously she took some of the same courses that qualified them to testify on them. Wonder how they will be able to spin her as unqualified but the others are not

[@mommajo2781]

Well I can tell you because of the shoddy police investigation no one knows where the body was located no measurements were taken nothing was marked and the pictures were awful

[@heatherlopez6627]

Love how the prosecution kept calling the tail light glass, when it's plastic.

[@CarlaB-p4r]

I think he was eluding to the glass he took from the Bar, but he failed to specify.

[@origamikiddo2625]

​@@CarlaB-p4rgood point. Was that drinking glass (see how I did that so easily?) found broken? And tested for blood? It feels like a million years since this trial I can't remember

[@CarlaB-p4r]

@@origamikiddo2625 I believe it was found broken near his body, and there was a piece of glass on Karen’s bumper that was tested but it didn’t match the glass from the bar.

[@62Kelp]

I landed on your channel looking for another, went no further because I found my law home and I absolutely loved your content. You make the law understandable and dare I say awesomely fun. I’m going to become a member the first of February. We are snow packed in Kansas City! Thank you for the absolutely amazing fun and informative content.

[@goosebump801]

🙋‍♀️ Welcome, new Law Nerd! 💜💐

[@Ieezeca]

She has years of back content...

[@loudflower7392]

Welcome to the best chat, the best replay crew ever!!

[@Justice1911A1]

A new law nerd, welcome friend 😊

[@mxnjones]

Hello, new Law Nerd! 👋🏾

[@beckystrand5685]

Thank you Team Emily and Law Nerds for a good full day of court🌸

[@NeedMoreCoffeeOG]

The way you said "reconstruction biochemical crash daddies" with an entirely straight face sent me.

[@FloatingInSpace5702]

I think the strategy for this trial should be less about what exactly happened at the house and more about their suspicious actions after, and how the injuries don’t match with being hit by a car. Don’t bring up the dog or the potential fight. Focus on the suspicious actions that could be seen as unethical and suspicious, and the botched investigation, and then hit hard with experts that the injuries cannot match up to a 24mph hit and run essentially.

[@goosebump801]

🙌💯 This! All day long

[@origamikiddo2625]

I think they could mention the dog and rehoming, cuz as soon as I saw the picture of his arm with the "scratches" but really"furrows" I was like oh, ok, so dog bites on his arm. And then everything presented after didn't show it wasn't or be proof beyond reasonable doubt car impact killed him. And the car data shown supposed to be the collision was when troopers had the car! Anyway, yeah, don't have to beat the jury with reasonable doubt, defense, just give them the pieces and let their brains mull it over and make the connections. I'm more convinced by the connections I make myself than the ones I'm spoon fed, even though I'm sure it's all strategy

[@cyndifromVA]

due diligence?? you mean like searching the house? or chain of custody for evidence???

[@carliesmith3252]

Or solo cups?

[@CarlaB-p4r]

I was just about to say SOLO CUPS 😂

[@jessycaslavin7882]

YES! The court house is around the corner from both Police station AND fire station. So that's why there is always LOTS of sirens in the background

[@elizaline7571]

The wounds look highly consistent with many images on a google search of dog bites on arms.

[@PatHenery]

😊😊

[@lucygibbons8482]

Well if we can’t stand him, hopefully the jury will feel the same.

[@KylaFuller]

The audacity of him to intensely ask her questions that he himself does not and could not get the answer to. He knows it’s not her job and I feel like he’s grasping at straws bc they don’t have a strong case. They’re putting in so much work for this. They found the dog (I dozed off so i missed that) but they can’t undo the Ls. They didn’t check the house, they didn’t check the Albert’s phones, they didn’t keep an open mind. I think they also forgot the fact that it states he had one major head injury that he would have lost consciousness from almost immediately. Someone had to move him 7ft off the road if he hit his head on the curb. It doesn’t make sense. I’m sick today so I’m listening in between fever sleep.

[@katrinkarlsdottir]

No one testified that Chloe was the dog in question. The marks still do not match ingures from an auto impact.

[@bonniecoy2732]

You are amazing and I love watching you... Thank you for all you do!! ❤

[@TheCinnamonBun]

i'm only 34 minutes into the video, i'm not sure i can last the full 6 hours without my head exploding hahah...... this lawyerrrrrrrr omg

[@origamikiddo2625]

Yeah, I wanted to watch but I'm 28 mins in and already paused and reading comments. I might have to skip pre trials so I can listen to trial without getting immediately triggered by his voice like Lally triggers me

[@ethanmorgan4980]

Brennan's argument against the individual bite marks having zero value, but the whole indicating a dog bite is a fallacious argument. Ultimately, what Dr. Russell is referring to is called Gestalt theory, "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts", etc. For example, I look at a collection of words from a book individually and find 2 "it", 2 "was", 2 "the", 2 "of", 2 "times", a best, and a worst. Each by itself means practically nothing. And I cannot say with any certainty what book I'm reading. However, when I look at them together, arranged in a specific way (i.e. "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."), I can say to a reasonable degree of literary certainty that I am reading A Tale of Two Cities by Dickens. Each wound may not be significant alone, but together, they may add context and weight to one theory over another. I like Brennan's tenacity. Just not for this prosecution. He's like a dog with a bone...pun intended.

[@mariampogosova8295]

Amazing analogy! 😍

[@goosebump801]

Fantastic example! 👍💐

[@ericerickson21]

@ethanmorgan4980 I was more snarky in my reply. But I, too, thought of the difference between an individual word and a sentence. (Meanwhile, Gestalt was the one word I was grasping for that would explicate my meaning.) Oh the irony. (Really not sure weather this is Alanis Irony or real Irony. But at midnight on YT, who's to say.)

[@origamikiddo2625]

Well explained, almost poetically!

[@YippeKiYayBoom]

The cw had to move to remove her as an expert witness, because if he presents any "counter-expert" on how this is NOT a dog-attack, they wouldn't be able to present any so-called "methodology" either. *shrug*

[@loudMouse11]

If Dr. Russell ever decides to write a book about her bad ass life & experiences-? I am so buying it!

[@SteffLowe]

Listening to Alessi (sp?) is divine and an excellent way to spend my Saturday morning. Masterful

[@debbysalmon2498]

If I were an expert of any kind and and have testified in other trials I would do it for free. This is an injustice to Karen, the state of Massachusetts, and this country. The world is laughing at us because of this trial.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I loved Kenny Kinsey in Murdaygh trial cuz not only was he funny, smart, self deprecating and so clear and helpful with case when defense was doing an they could to muddy waters, he was paid so so so little compared to all the other experts I've heard about in about trial. An is I hear he would have done it for free, but Creighton insisted to on paying him, and it basically was his gas money to get down and back to Colloton County.

[@cassymh4835]

I finally figured out who the prosecutor’s voice reminded me of!!!! Rachel’s dad on Friends!!!

[@nancycorreia7813]

Funny you say that because I keep thinking he sounds like Steve, Miranda's husband on Sex in the city.😂

[@Liska78]

I was thinking Mayor Quimby on the Simpsons

[@ispeakewok]

I was hearing Billy Crystal

[@denisedavis9534]

my favorite law commenter, even when I'm having trouble remaining unbiased { I really HATE Brennan's antagonistic style } you bring me around to the " breathe... remain unbiased " side again. Love me some EDB!!

[@notnow7973]

Being unbiased at this point in this case is a sign of inattention?! Pretty sure anyone following the case is now appropriately biased.

[@BoiseGreatDane]

Well damn I should have checked ✅ to see if you were covering this hearing today … I didn’t get my notification and I didn’t check my emails until now… so excited to see and hear your reactions

[@virginiakelly3541]

What?!?! No experience, ohhh Hack Brennan… I can’t with the disrespect!

[@haroldhead7555]

Prosecutor is not a dog bite expert but thinks he is. When my shepherd bit me her canines did not make any marks it was two of the smaller teeth between then that made the holes. There was also some bruising around the holes. It was just the top teeth that left marks. I can so see these marks as bites and claw marks. Both dog and human were constantly moving which had an effect on the depth and direction of marks.

[@origamikiddo2625]

Yeah, I'm wondering if my life experience makes things to simple for me. I saw his marks and immediately thought dog bites. My sister had a friend's German shepherd clamp down on her forearm when she came in the house unexpectedly. She smartly froze and so did the dog, but she has those puncture scars on her arm, just like the police stuff training videos you see.

[@molliwilson5639]

Yes, as a Clinical Psychologist and an expert witness as well, Peer reviewed literature and Clinical experience dictate the methodology . The defense should have prepared her for this type of inquisition

[@carliesmith3252]

I think it’s good that the CW just went off here. The defence know where they will go now and they can prepare her better. She will also get ahead of it cos she’s a boss!

[@1014-m6s]

Incorrect. Peer review and clinical experience provide data that feed into a Standard of Care (usually determined by an accrediting body) that then determines the methodology. Without this process every yahoo would be determining their own ‘standard’, which is what her testimony sounds like she does.

[@Marcia-RetiredTrialLawyer]

Thanks for your coverage!

[@katiesmith9176]

I’m still just so floored they are still trying to prosecute her… just make like Elsa and let this go 😂

[@SWFL-BOK]

❤🎉I missed you Emily 🎉Happy New Year🎉you look fantastic btw

[@dontgetbrazenwithme6733]

I am hoping that watching it with you I won't rage quit like I did this morning. This was outrageous, I was outraged 😂

[@jgfanmatt]

I did the same thing lol.

[@rachelann9362]

Watching it the day after. I am so glad to have her voice my outrage and explain when there may be a legal. I have yelled multiple times

[@CuriousES]

is Brennan aware the taillight is not made of glass but plastic? the glass on the scene didn't match and didn't come from the taillight.

[@aes1492]

Yes he is. He specified this in his questions.

[@debbysalmon2498]

I can't stand that Hank keeps saying sweater, when John had on a sweatshirt. The tail light was not glass, yet he keeps saying glass. Wasn't it proven the the glass didn't not come from either bar, so where did this glass come from?

[@AliciaCardwell]

Love the new schedule for you!

[@ellenw391]

I had a business trip to Nashville. It snowed maybe 3" and the town called it a Blizzard & shut down for days. We laughed & laughed until we couldn't get a cab to take us back to our hotel. We offered to teach them to drive in snow. No one wanted any part of it. Business opened for me the next day (a major star's PR person), not believing they went out in the "blizzard." It was SOOO hard to not laugh in people's faces. That was a DUSTING people!!! We had to extend our trip a couple days and mostly ate and drank at the hotel, as it was insanity to try to go anywhere. Luckily Mom Nature took it away pretty quickly.

[@zenadra]

I sincerely hate that prosecutor.... he's so nasty!~

[@bubbly912]

He's way more unlikeable as Lally..imo

[@mh-tu9dd]

Love love love EDB❤

[@Alllieellie]

The new prosecutor is insufferable

[@Alisha_79]

I'm 2hrs 4min in and my blood is boiling!

[@MaginFLORIDA]

@@Alisha_79 surprised it took that long…..he infuriated me at first hearing.

[@akstory03]

I literally read this at 2:06 in on replay as I had to slightly disengage 😡

[@ccd9394]

Thanks for today

[@katrinkarlsdottir]

Where do the individual injuries indicate a auto impact? What about the scratch indicates a Lexus taillight? How do they know from just one wound if it was a left or right taillight? The testimony at the 1st trial was about the whole injury pattern not just one wound.The pattern caused by incapacitating impact includes breaks and or bruises to more than just the skull.

[@reneetoday3779]

If the prosecution doesn’t believe that someone can be an expert in dog bites (because they believe it is subjective), why do they believe the 2 experts that say that the wounds were not from a dog?

[@kcampbell3682]

When was ever proven that the car hit Mr. Okeefe??

[@molliwilson5639]

It has not been established.. hence the reason for a second trial

[@Brandi_the_Baker]

So they hired a defense attorney to basically defend the common wealth? lol. I think that’s what they are doing.

[@beepboop8374]

@@Brandi_the_Baker well…. They have a lot of shady shit to defend. 🤣 I mean look at how many of their officers from the first trial are rehomed or under investigation for Sandra Birchmore since Karen’s trial ended. Makes sense they needed a defense too.

[@kcenzer9633]

Love your site and intelligence and experience. This will be my new go to for 2025.

[@reneetoday3779]

So glad you could take some time for yourself and with your family, but we missed you and are so glad you are back!❤

[@reneetoday3779]

I really like the expert’s glasses!!!

[@TracyB-dn7jy]

The Prosecution really needs to have a professional video animation made (ala the Murdaugh case) to show the jury how they believe the accident occurred, based on the facts they have. The jury needs to visualize how KR could've backed into him, how he hit his head, how he was knocked out of his shoe, how Chloe came out and scratched/bit his unmoving arm, and how no one saw him laying there bc they were all drinking when they left the house. Seeing how the Murdaugh crime was commited by that reconstructed video was a home run for the Prosecution.

[@tiffany2943]

Or in the gwyneth paltrow case with the very engaging biomechanic expert and the animation!

[@woodenman5283]

When you lie you need to keep it vague…they need to do a Trooper Paul reconstruction with the scene talking to him

[@marissavillegas291]

Standing desk makes soooo much sense for how long we are in trial days. Good job!

[@JoanafcRi]

Replay crew here. Are we watching Cloe's (?) trial? It all felt like the goal is to show KR can't proof that that this specific dog bitten the victim... and not that those marks are more likely to be cause by dog bites than by a car accident... And they spent money tracking down Cloe? This sounds such an unnecessary cost. Prove those abrasions were cause by the car (beyond reasonable doubt) and that KR was driving the car, that is the job, hire experts to demonstrate that! Spending money and time to show the innocence of the dog (or of anyone else) feels so odd from the state. Disproving her story should not be the priority, the state's story should be strong enough to not need to do this, specially to this extend.

[@DanaVolney]

The new trial is going to be different…but still wild and all over the place. I think Brennen is closer to a better trial, but I hope he misses his mark.

[@MoonDragon1]

There is zero way it would puncture through the sweater while moving and not shred the sweater or hoodie. Not possible. Even Crash Daddy and the other one said he was never hit by a car and Karen’s car didn’t hit him. He’s not going to like going up against the FBI 😂

[@cyndifromVA]

how many victims of DV have told the ER they walked into a door or fell down the stairs?

[@LadyJustice2.0]

Teeth molds and paw measurements taken recently will Not correspond with a dog from three years ago. Teeth shift and jaws grow as a dog matures - if it wasnt done back then, than the measurements and teeth patterns are worthless

[@debbysalmon2498]

Dr Russell said that.

[@kayemm1973]

Also unless there is something extremely distinctive about the dogs teeth or the injuries it's not appropriate to try to match the teeth, that is actual junk science.

[@NicoleCamp88]

How can he ask questions that misstate or flat out lies about the evidence?

[@me_6613]

I hope they stay in this bigger courtroom for the second trial. So much better than staring at Paul’s brother mean mugging Karen the whole time.

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

Problem is the jury box does not have a good view of the witness in this bigger courtroom. That's why it was moved the first time.

[@me_6613]

@ yeah, I also saw on this video they are back in the original room. I spoke too soon

[@CarlaB-p4r]

I find it cringy that he purposely wants to sit at the end of the bench so he can stare at her 😖

[@me_6613]

@@CarlaB-p4r yes!!! He literally never looks away. His wife is sitting there the whole time too and I almost have sympathy for her. Almost.

[@rachelann9362]

1:39:51 Dogs do NOT sweat like we do, it’s mostly through their paw pads, and sometimes their nose.

[@farrellanna]

Oooooo I hate the way he’s saying the car definitely hit OKeefe. That just grinds my gears. A backing up of the car doesn’t mean she hit him. It just means the car backed up

[@LauraSweet99]

I hate it too. He is doing that because the more you repeat a lie, the more gullible people will believe the lie.

[@francieluwho6772]

Ooooh that new outro is fun! Great job team Baker!

[@MystearicaClaws]

Look new the new setup! Your lighting is perfection

[@smittycat359]

Let's not forget that she also conducted a shit ton of autopsies as an ME that likely included people that came in through the ER/ED, the trauma center, and through the corrections dept. Also, she can't likely state it's a dog bite wound with a degree of medical certainty because the dog was mysteriously rehomed (among other things) and no one was able to examine the animal comparative to the wound itself. And (as I think of things, I keep adding to my comment), wasn't it a question in the first trial of whether O'Keefe was even struck by a car? In my head, I seem to recall him having blunt force trauma to his head and the injuries to his arm but none to his lower extremities, and the prosecution was claiming that she hit him with her car and that he did a pirouette (wasn't that Trooper Paul's assertion that's maybe what happened)? The defense was arguing he may have been attacked and knocked down by the family dog rather than hit by a car? He's also asking her if she saw or was given or examined certain evidence (debris field, black box data etc) WHEN I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE OWN 'EXPERTS' HAD ENOUGH OF THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS FOR CERTAIN. If shit wasn't collected in red solo cups and piggly wiggly bags (and better photos weren't taken), she might have had more to review to exclude the car accident with more of a MEDICAL DEGREE OF CERTAINTY.

[@1014-m6s]

Pattern recognition and standard may have legal definitions, but they also have medical definitions which she should be able to easily articulate.

[@danik829]

I’d like to see him defend someone that died from dog bites. Wonder where he would find an expert that uses scientific methodology to establish dog bite patterns. He’d be sorry he alienated Dr. Russell. She’d never agree to work with him with the demeaning way he treated her in this hearing.

[@cyndifromVA]

but bukhenik was allowed to give medical opinion

[@kathrynburrowes3102]

What I can't figure out is how she aimed for and backed up at a high enough speed to throw him 7' (I think). I struggle to back out of my driveway straight....😮😮

[@tiffany2943]

This expert has seen so many car accident victim injuries as well as injuries resulting from assault. It would be so interesting to hear her testify to the other injuries and not just focus on the dog injuries

[@Rdlrhome]

I thought it has been debunked that you can tie a dog bite by comparison. Soft tissue moves, it is not like biting an apple. I know my cat’s fangs did not line up with perfection to the holes in my arm after my mom got him released

[@crystalfarmer4074]

Also Dr. Russell is right Chloes teeth in January 2022 will not be the same as Chloes teeth in January 2025. They just won't. Dogs teeth change and grind down, round off, fall out( which will change the entire bite pattern and the way they line up) ect... Even if it is actually Chloe which I have my doubts about it doesn't matter. If I remember correctly Lally claimed and presented to the court that Chloe wasn't available in the first trial and now Hanky here found her? I'm not buying it.

[@littlegreen5845]

It’s been debunked that a specific dog / animal / human can be matched to a specific set of bite marks like fingerprints or dna. It’s not debunked that bite marks can generally be tied to a type of animal - human, dog, cat, etc.

[@madisonimogen6509]

@@crystalfarmer4074exactly! I made a comment about this elsewhere but so many things can change their teeth, general dental care, lost teeth, ground teeth, chipped/broken teeth, jaw injuries etc. It’s also rare that a dog would chomp down once and let go without some sort of tear or drag (from a pull or head shake) unlike when a human would bite down and let go. (Ex vet nurse and separately trained with defence attack dogs)

[@ISIKOFF5]

Love your nail polish, Emily!

[@ginagruber1732]

Chat did not disappoint when it came to the Dr House references 🤣

[@lboutard]

I’m confused can anyone tell me. Have they lined up the way the tail light is broken to the abrasions on the arm? Did anyone match them up? Because the tail light broke all different ways but his arm abrasion are straight in a row right? No?

[@Aliyah.and.friends]

1:08:40 the sneaker being off of his body is not the smoking gun. He's accusing this Doctor of jumping to conclusions. Meanwhile acting as if the shoe being on the curb is the smoking gun of a car accident!!! Yes, it could have gotten there due to a car accident. Or somebody could have thrown it on the lawn later. Ppl this is what throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks.

[@ispeakewok]

The way the prosecution tie the shoe to meaning O'Keefe could only have been hit by a car makes me think people could blame any death in Camden County on a car accident just by taking a victims shoes off.

[@archangel807]

Brennan thinks he can make Russell quit and go back to LA....she was a Boston cop

[@me_6613]

She will stand on business with ALL of her degrees and decades of experience too!

[@kcampbell3682]

Why is he allowed to ask the same question 5-6 times in a row when she answered it each time

[@Ieezeca]

This drove me insane. I think he had 5 ?s total.

[@1014-m6s]

“Can you tell me the standard that you used to assess this as a dog bite?” “I don’t know what a standard is.”

[@AmazingJellyfish]

43:25 is there a methodology for vehicle injuries?

[@mudkipjuice]

Brennan needs to reel back his interrogation over her not investigating chloe for the trial. Dr Russell was not there to determine chloe bit him, just that it was a dog bite unrelated to the car, and the constant driving hime that she never investigated chloe's teeth specifically is just going to make the jury believe chloe did bite him.

[@Ltenn]

There’s a picture online of dog bite wounds that look almost identical to his wounds

[@Aliyah.and.friends]

51:12 LOL... We have listened to the first trial in its entirety. And we still don't know anything about the collision between the Lexus. And Mr. O'keefe!!! Bruh!!! Lol ❤️

[@1014-m6s]

You actually do have that information. Few are putting it together. Look at the digital timelines.

[@keelidenney2759]

36:34 Can someone tell me the difference between the “standard process” of identifying a dog bite and the “standard process” of identifying cause of death? Are they not both using experience, differential diagnosis, and a doctor’s personal opinion? Yet, medical examiners are usually used in trial. I genuinely don’t understand.

[@1014-m6s]

In medicine the term Standard of Care is very common. You can see the most known examples if you look up the JCHO Accrediting body. The standard of care tells you the minimal expected care for any medical issue and to achieve ‘accreditation’ for a hospital, clinic, etc you need to pass an inspection that utilizes these standards. The witness should have been very familiar with the term standard and should have answered those questions easily.

[@MoonDragon1]

She’s right about the punctuate lesion. He had a sweater on which helps not get as good of grip. When my dog was attacked on the jaw/neck she got lucky she had a lion mane that’s thick. Only 2 punctures. She got so lucky. Those 2 small punctures look just like luna’s. I agree the elbow looks like one direct bite. The elbow wounds are more clear to me as bite. He’s pulling away as the dog is biting and pulling. I can see the elbow wounds way more clear.

[@wondergal4729]

"This stream is brought to you by the letter P and the number 3" had me dying 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂