EMINEM'S BEEN STANDING UP FOR US! | Eminem- Mosh (Reaction)

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Cliff Beats

Cliff Beats

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@cathywilliams7636
@cathywilliams7636 8 ай бұрын
The Government and Big Corporations own this damn County. Bring back small businesses and break up monopolies. Eminem has always been dope. ❤
@Sunny-jz3dy
@Sunny-jz3dy 8 ай бұрын
People gotta raise up against them for any change to happen! Nobody's gonna do Ish they're too damn soft!
@Sunny-jz3dy
@Sunny-jz3dy 8 ай бұрын
We have too many little boys running around! We don't have very many men left!
@graphsicimagevinyls5882
@graphsicimagevinyls5882 8 ай бұрын
this rings more true than ever as Oregon votes to shut down small farms to "protect the people"... stock up on food and "other necessary supplies", its coming soon
@graphsicimagevinyls5882
@graphsicimagevinyls5882 8 ай бұрын
@@Sunny-jz3dy Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. - seems more true today than ever before
@BDemonman
@BDemonman 7 ай бұрын
Sorry... but... Allow me to correct you... they dont own just America... they own the world the agenda is world wide unfortunately...
@ginaj617
@ginaj617 8 ай бұрын
He always has….. a shame A lot of people didn’t notice. 💯
@YoItsLowEST92
@YoItsLowEST92 5 ай бұрын
Does anyone else get emotional and tear up every time you hear this song because of what we have allowed to happen to the country and the world especially when you hear the "can you hear us?" At the end
@Slothptimal
@Slothptimal 8 ай бұрын
The original end of the Mosh video told people to vote. This was released in 2004 before Bush's re-election.
@illuminahde
@illuminahde 8 ай бұрын
By the now defunct G.N.N. Guerrilla News Network. This website featured Alex Jones, Ad Rock (Beastie Boys), the detective who accused the LAPD of selling crack and many other original videos. Too bad. It was a great site.
@greatwhitenorth1418
@greatwhitenorth1418 7 ай бұрын
Wrong. The original end to the video had the gathering mob storming the capital building. After a while it was edited to the voting ending and the original was wiped from the face of the earth like it never existed
@ghostflame9211
@ghostflame9211 4 ай бұрын
yeah i remember this being released within a few weeks of the 04 election. "mr president. Mr senator" referring to bush and john kerry, respectively. but if you look at the upload date of the video, it was reuploaded in 2009. they really wanted this song quiet and under wraps; i remember it was on the radio for a day or 2 before they pulled it and the music video was in circulation also for only a day or 2.
@Sunny-jz3dy
@Sunny-jz3dy 8 ай бұрын
Eminem has been taking on the government since the beginning!
@ryankustron2730
@ryankustron2730 8 ай бұрын
Em has always used his platform for good and to promote change and unity. People just don't listen or pay attention
@BackyardButcher
@BackyardButcher 8 ай бұрын
You are so right lol.. a lot of people do not realize that Eminem has been coming for politicians throats for as long as he's been around. Doesn't matter if you're left, right, independent, etc. and I personally don't care because I don't base my music choices on my political affiliation❤🇺🇲 Thanks for the upload 👍
@MRR-my2yl
@MRR-my2yl 8 ай бұрын
I don't know why anyone faults eminem for getting political I understand if you have different views it would be aggravating but the man is trying to make changes in our country that at he feels we are in dire need of he loves America and our people and he doesn't want to stand idly by. I for one agree with his views and am grateful he is looking out for us
@krisschlitt8735
@krisschlitt8735 4 ай бұрын
My fav song still. Love the encore album
@chikushodiz91
@chikushodiz91 8 ай бұрын
PTSD is no a joke and the worst time for people with PTSD is July 4th the sound of fireworks will trigger their PTSD and also for dogs
@MichaelSBraum
@MichaelSBraum 8 ай бұрын
I can, easily, understand that. What we did for our dogs was to turn on the stereo and TV full blast. No pun intended.
@SGTsnick3
@SGTsnick3 8 ай бұрын
17 vets a day take their own life to this day because of the trauma they had to endure due to Bush's ego-driven wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Em has always been on the right side of history when it comes to his political stances, even though he catches shit in the moment from people who refuse to see past their own political biases.
@veysey2243
@veysey2243 8 ай бұрын
Eminem Is in a league of his own🐐 Can't describe how much his music means to me since my primary school days. Phenomenon
@here4thecookies676
@here4thecookies676 8 ай бұрын
One of the biggest differences between the reaction to Em calling out Bush and Em calling out Trump is the cult of personality around Trump. People were still politically divided during Bush’s presidency, especially as the war kept going. But Bush didn’t have fanboys on the same level as Trump
@jameshatton3293
@jameshatton3293 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely hit the nail on the head
@danrandall3772
@danrandall3772 8 ай бұрын
Actually a big part of it was Eminem said if you support trump he didn't want you as a fan. That's what really pissed people off.
@danrandall3772
@danrandall3772 8 ай бұрын
But you are not wrong either because there is definitely a cult of personality also.
@fizzyjecado
@fizzyjecado 8 ай бұрын
i agree... bush was boring, the trump culture impact is significant that media can't see it. In his... Branding Memes movement Marshall won't attack biden... Why? We're in two wars bc of his weak leadership! Btw: Reminder trump was a Democrat all his life. (that said I won't be voting this year tbh!)
@danielmennel4565
@danielmennel4565 8 ай бұрын
@@fizzyjecado Trump is a conman and his followers are willing marks. The problem is you can't convince someone with logic to abandon a position they got to without using logic.
@biosec9361
@biosec9361 8 ай бұрын
This was the Eminem I grew up with. I was in high school when Recovery dropped. I was listening to Mosh and White America on repeat before that.
@WesternGirlEasternEyes
@WesternGirlEasternEyes 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for this Cliff. Who else in the industry is as relevant as MM? I'm talking content and stamina. GOAT. No doubt about it.
@rachelisaacson4269
@rachelisaacson4269 8 ай бұрын
Love Em's courage and truth here ❤️‍🔥 Great lyrical breakdown and reaction as always Cliff 🙌
@Seahawks_52
@Seahawks_52 8 ай бұрын
People need to wake up I’m ready! Em was so right 20 years ago and people are Jay to afraid but we need to not let them keep doing this to all of us. We can change it so fast if we all stand up.
@bossbyron7593
@bossbyron7593 8 ай бұрын
Appreciate you cliff🙏🙏
@coldred9639
@coldred9639 8 ай бұрын
YEAH CLIFF TALK THAT TRUTH!!!!!! TRUTH HURTS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT ANYONE! Show me in the BOOTH!
@berniewatts5028
@berniewatts5028 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate his music more and more everyday. A truth teller. 👏🔥👏🔥👵🏼
@timbrouns87
@timbrouns87 8 ай бұрын
Little fact about the Bush family. During WWII they were one of the biggest foreign investors in the German company now know as Bayer. Then it was called IG Farben, and their main product was Zyklon B. This was the gas used in the camps. Bayer merged with Monsanto some years back. Monsanto was the company that produced Agent Orange. So yeah those two companies are a perfect match for each other.
@joshmason1460
@joshmason1460 7 ай бұрын
They had Hitler send them like 150 people they captured and used them for medical trials. They then sent them a letter requesting 150 more(could be a little off on the exact number, but it was enough to be horrific), because none of the first group of people survived the tests!! Bayer should be boycotted by everyone!! I don’t care how long ago it was, that company is built in evil!!
@Lynndon1994
@Lynndon1994 8 ай бұрын
100000000% telling the truth that people don’t want to hear!
@Sunny-jz3dy
@Sunny-jz3dy 8 ай бұрын
But there are finally more and more people listening! People don't raise up soon.... everyone's just gonna be a slave. We already are to an extent!
@fransinyard891
@fransinyard891 8 ай бұрын
Good morning sunshine! What an AWESOME video to start my day off right! Cliff & the GOAT to start it off right! Awesome video & reaction! Thank you! Much love from Henderson Ga USA
@keepingitrealawesome
@keepingitrealawesome 4 ай бұрын
Definitely one of my favorite songs off the album
@graemecrawford3635
@graemecrawford3635 8 ай бұрын
I think you were right about Em and I love the prism you see things through! Never change bro ❤
@btoso32
@btoso32 8 ай бұрын
rap genious is an understatement.
@coldred9639
@coldred9639 8 ай бұрын
CAN'T WAIT HEAR YOU BREAK DOWN THE 🐐' S NEW DIAMOND! 🔹 ☝️👊❣️
@BitWrecker
@BitWrecker 8 ай бұрын
Not sure how I missed this song all these years, but thank you for doing this. This song hits
@tijnusbeatz120
@tijnusbeatz120 8 ай бұрын
This song is so raw, I love it! Great reaction. Eminem was sick of how a majority of people were manipulated into supporting an unnecessary war. His stance was not popular back then. If you want to continue to live in a democracy, even though it still has a lot of problems, you have to take responsibility! Don't blame your government for the inflation though, it is happening world wide. In Europe it was worse then in US for a long time, also the economy is good in the US if you compare to world economy. If you want to change your system for the better and not having to choose between two old men, you the people have to invest in more and better options for the future. 💛
@brandonmcclellan5379
@brandonmcclellan5379 8 ай бұрын
OEF veteran here, it seems like every life we take takes part of our life with it
@ryanvittner1929
@ryanvittner1929 7 ай бұрын
Hes always said let him be the voice of the people. He will speak the truth and will not hold back. He will stand up for all Americans. New generation doesn't do the research of how much eminem has done for people. (All people)
@jasonbrunskowski2625
@jasonbrunskowski2625 8 ай бұрын
"This is going to happen one day..." Kind of did, about four years ago. Wasn't for the same reasons, but...
@Sunny-jz3dy
@Sunny-jz3dy 8 ай бұрын
They didn't really raise up like that ....We probably should have though! If the people don't raise up anytime soon.... Society's gonna get exactly what it deserves.
@bryntje
@bryntje 8 ай бұрын
@@Sunny-jz3dy deserves is not the right word i think. We don't deserve what they are cooking...
@jonassrensen4341
@jonassrensen4341 8 ай бұрын
Encore is an album people think is a joke. But it's really fuckin deep and I absolutely love Encore
@kitsunerinkan
@kitsunerinkan 8 ай бұрын
Eminem for president.
@Bigtime19
@Bigtime19 8 ай бұрын
Finally someone did MOSH!!!
@alexgruia88
@alexgruia88 8 ай бұрын
What a gem of a song and video. Straight facts.
@gingerlime5077
@gingerlime5077 8 ай бұрын
the slim shady we need
@jamesallman328
@jamesallman328 7 ай бұрын
This songs was powerfully truthful back when it released but sadly still holds true and no one listened and here we are now
@mlamoon
@mlamoon 8 ай бұрын
Was also a video on one of his cds that linked to site I'm sure if I remember..I definitely downloaded
@delbertdavis9809
@delbertdavis9809 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this and speaking on it. I make $ 2531 a month thats $21.10 an hour and my rent is $1856 a month, transportation $100, food is $450 month, electric $130. I have literally have only -$5 each month at the end of the day. I make more than minimum wage.
@dope_prolific
@dope_prolific 8 ай бұрын
This is happening all over the world. There is nowhere to run, we are going to have to fight. We have to unite and settle our differences. Politically, religiously and culturally. They are keeping us distracted and we're falling for it every time.
@fransinyard891
@fransinyard891 8 ай бұрын
My husband always says "it dont cost a penny to be nice" words my family lives by! Try it & see what all changes in your world! Much love from Henderson Ga USA
@magafam4847
@magafam4847 8 ай бұрын
It will cost a penny if someone sees it as being soft not saying you guys are if someone sees it that way especially know a days
@tijnusbeatz120
@tijnusbeatz120 8 ай бұрын
Definitely try to be nice to people as much as you can and be humble too. But NEVER let people take advantage of you or use you. Be aware and be smart! 💯
@fransinyard891
@fransinyard891 8 ай бұрын
@@magafam4847 trust me there is nothing soft about us. You didn't understand what was said. A smile is free so smile!
@magafam4847
@magafam4847 8 ай бұрын
I said you prob aren't but you can't tell me how I took it wouldn't be seen by douches everyone looking for a weakness I'm 40 I get the smiling thing also young enough to see how much people suck but I do get what your saying
@fransinyard891
@fransinyard891 8 ай бұрын
@@magafam4847 ok no weakness here. Just trying to get folks to lighten up & be nice. Have a good day!
@fasttrack70
@fasttrack70 8 ай бұрын
When people say politicians are all the same why bother? i say, "Why are you standing for it change it then"
@crashthecat
@crashthecat 8 ай бұрын
Eminem for president
@globalizacionliquida
@globalizacionliquida 7 ай бұрын
It's so true! When you think about Eminem....you think about Detroit
@DaRealRenegade
@DaRealRenegade 8 ай бұрын
Missy Elliott ft. Eminem - Busa Rhyme Redman & Eminem - Off the Wall
@donalucino7401
@donalucino7401 8 ай бұрын
You Sir, are a hero. Don't let the world get you down. "Don't Let the Bastards Grind You Down" by the Toasters. might be a cheerful alternative.
@tonyaug1981
@tonyaug1981 8 ай бұрын
We as a nation need a Mosh 2.0
@Rmarin8
@Rmarin8 8 ай бұрын
Cliff beats 2024 you got my vote
@CliffBeatsOfficial
@CliffBeatsOfficial 8 ай бұрын
I couldn’t take that job. I’d get assassinated.
@IcebergMikeTPals
@IcebergMikeTPals 8 ай бұрын
You're a real one dawg. I resonate with your energy. "Be nicer to your fellow human beings" is too real and people really should adhere to that more.
@timothytapia8636
@timothytapia8636 8 ай бұрын
Bro you are the most real and wholesome content creator on this platform never change bro you are awesome
@CliffBeatsOfficial
@CliffBeatsOfficial 8 ай бұрын
Yo thanks boss. I’m just me man. I’m not going anywhere or changing up. What people see is what they get 👊
@0siris_Gaming
@0siris_Gaming 7 ай бұрын
I love this song being in Canada we need a version for us when we decide to go back to our more "interesting" history Well make them listen
@emmettcatania3174
@emmettcatania3174 8 ай бұрын
“I’m in chIcAgO” yeah we can tell bud hahaha love from the burbs
@redheadedncurly
@redheadedncurly 8 ай бұрын
When M2BMB Side A then B came out, I took this journey back into em’s catalog. It was dope too because I started from the beginning. I started with the infinite album and went all the way through his whole entire catalog. Like it was so cool. The number of hits I missed, and lyrics I missed was crazy. So long story short it gave me that newfound respect for Eminem, and what he has done and the things that he has spoken about over the years. I encourage any and everybody whether you’re an fan or not do the same thing go back and listen to his catalog. if you got some shit to say about him, go back to listen to some of the shit he was writing about. Do the research. Find out how he would be taken to court to get his lyrics taken down. How he got into new countries for people in rap to go tour in.
@jessicarichter6436
@jessicarichter6436 7 ай бұрын
💯
@UnopinionatedBystander2393
@UnopinionatedBystander2393 8 ай бұрын
This was powerful!
@CaspaCzContent
@CaspaCzContent 8 ай бұрын
Cliff wit anudda oneeeee letssss goooooo🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@kcassidy90
@kcassidy90 8 ай бұрын
Goat 🐐
@fasttrack70
@fasttrack70 8 ай бұрын
I remember going to an anti war protest rave when this came out and the cinema bit in the complex the rave was held played the video every hour in between some documentaries i thought it was amazing
@ll7HaloBeastll7
@ll7HaloBeastll7 8 ай бұрын
I'm holding off on my opinion until his new album drops.
@andylastname566
@andylastname566 8 ай бұрын
oh our government is "guiding" us....to their own goals.
@robanderson3944
@robanderson3944 7 ай бұрын
I was bumping this shit way back when
@fantasmigorical8618
@fantasmigorical8618 7 ай бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't said a "bad" word about our current puppet in chief. Don't think I am hatin' bc I absolutely LOVE EMINEM 💜🐐💜
@anetteandersson2778
@anetteandersson2778 8 ай бұрын
Sooooo gooooood !
@n30ng75
@n30ng75 7 ай бұрын
"When you think of Eminem, you think of Detroit." 💯
@aprilboxton2284
@aprilboxton2284 8 ай бұрын
That line was from BULLY
@mmddhh34
@mmddhh34 8 ай бұрын
We all know was independent. Hes spoke so One sided since. I HOPE . this new album. He exposes everything. Even the fact he knows he was wrong about P.T
@rorajoey
@rorajoey 8 ай бұрын
Bush got criticism from a lot of artists at the time (deservedly so, IMO). Check out "Dear Mr. President" by P!nk featuring the Indigo Girls. She released it in 2006 on her album "I'm Not Dead." There are a few videos of her performing it live. I think the one from Wembley Arena is a good one. That song's important to me because a friend of mine asked me to perform a live cover of that one several years ago, with her on vocals and me on guitar.
@viciouscreate
@viciouscreate 8 ай бұрын
I think Em replied to Benzino & Cassidy, and also shout-out to reactors in Eminem - "Poltergeist"
@greatwhitenorth1418
@greatwhitenorth1418 7 ай бұрын
Show of hands if you remember the ORIGINAL ending to this video.(hint: it actually happened irl a couple years ago)
@TrinaryAdept
@TrinaryAdept 2 ай бұрын
the war on terror lasted long enough for fresh faced highschool kids who joined up at the start to be able to have kids who were born after they were enlisted that themselves grew up and joined the military and were still in the middle east after 2020 3 presidents later
@CarefreeOrigin
@CarefreeOrigin 7 ай бұрын
To achieve younger, we’d have to somehow break the “it isn’t your turn yet” gatekeepers in politics that dictate who we even get to see as potential candidates… and then create a platform for someone who doesn’t have to spend more than everyone else combined to come out ahead. Any suggestions are welcome. 🙂
@UnitedWeStan
@UnitedWeStan 8 ай бұрын
They played the video so much on mtv
@MichaelSBraum
@MichaelSBraum 8 ай бұрын
D12 Pistol Pistol and/or I'm Gonna Get My Gun. " They are BOTH great songs!!! Come on, Cliff!!! This is request number 20 to 30!!!! Great job on these videos. I don't think you've done Black Hole Sun? If not, please react to them, please! ❤️🌹🔥🐐❤️🌹🔥🐐❤️🌹🔥🐐❤️🌹🔥🐐
@Thanos1908
@Thanos1908 7 ай бұрын
They can't reach him, so they try to bring him down.
@jmelvin28
@jmelvin28 7 ай бұрын
You almost have to create a persona and disassociate that part of yourself from your core persona. The problem is there is all types of support built into the military for those issues but once we get out, we have to come to terms and reintegrate the warrior with the man or woman. Most vets have trouble dealing with the ptsd, survivors remorse, and many other psychological problems that converge through the process.
@mixalh77able
@mixalh77able 6 ай бұрын
New subscriber...epic song for sure. Another song was ice cube arrest the president.
@xMaestasX
@xMaestasX 8 ай бұрын
We need a mosh 2.o haha 😅
@eskilwadsholt4289
@eskilwadsholt4289 8 ай бұрын
5:12 "he just snaps back" showing a picture of a cap worn backwards - isn't that an additional meaning, like snapback cap?
@jessicarichter6436
@jessicarichter6436 7 ай бұрын
I’m English so dgaf about American politics but I know wrong from right when I see it. Ems been calling out evil power hungry ppl since the begin of his career, mosh has always been one of my fav songs the chorus is so well written & catchy with a real message. He’s always tried to unite ppl & stand up for those without a voice idk why ppl hate on him & his skin colour for that but it doesn’t change the fact he’s one of the greatest MCs ever. A lot of his music is motivational. 🐐
@josefmalina3273
@josefmalina3273 8 ай бұрын
You gotta react to We As Americans from Em
@xWiffler
@xWiffler 7 ай бұрын
One of my favorites. Imagine that opening the album into evil deeds never enough yellow brick road like toy soldiers then mosh. Wish those songs never got leaked.
@josefmalina3273
@josefmalina3273 7 ай бұрын
@@xWiffler exactly man. Encore would've been another classic if those songs were not leaked. Shame
@xWiffler
@xWiffler 7 ай бұрын
@@josefmalina3273 shits still a classic to me 😂 I love those goofy ass songs.
@josefmalina3273
@josefmalina3273 7 ай бұрын
@@xWiffler me too, but I have to be in a mood for them 😂
@mauriciomarte675
@mauriciomarte675 8 ай бұрын
Anyone notice the soldier’s name that looked like Eminem?
@PaleMenis420
@PaleMenis420 8 ай бұрын
FIRST! plz cliff can you do hopsin - chriss dolmeth
@EvaMetalhankle
@EvaMetalhankle 8 ай бұрын
Man... I almost had a heart attack! But ok... I'm staying! 😂 And guys, recession and overpriced primary needs... it's happening in Europe as well. I see you as well. ❤ (He's dropping the album on easter sunday.... "Here it is guys! My easter egg...almost literally!)
@EvaMetalhankle
@EvaMetalhankle 8 ай бұрын
@cliffbeats (suggestion) listen to System of a Down - B.Y.O.B. .
@patrickwatts8143
@patrickwatts8143 8 ай бұрын
This is how you knew the people that were suprised and turned against Eminem when he went after Trump, had probably not been listening to him that long
@fizzyjecado
@fizzyjecado 8 ай бұрын
I honestly don't know why he hasn't called out Biden.
@Ashley-rl7ig
@Ashley-rl7ig 7 ай бұрын
If you pay attention to every lyric in at least 80 percent of his songs, and you listen to them as if he's speaking conversationally as in he's making a statement and then responding to that statement, his voice changes to his more sarcastic tone... but I've always felt the actual point he's intending to make... like his actual thoughts on the song subject... is only when he's being very pointed and almost in a spoke word song style.... idk man it's really hard to explain what I mean ... but just listen to his lyrics from a conversational tone... and he's way more loving and compassionate and hopeful then people realize.... atleast that's what I think🤷‍♀️
@murphygirl4782
@murphygirl4782 7 ай бұрын
It is important to remember that when our government was first established, the states sovereignty was established first. Then, the states came together and formed a union and created the federal government to represent them on the world stage. The order in which our government was formed matters. The states were not created to serve the federal government. The federal government was created for the sake of the states.
@litldynamite5493
@litldynamite5493 8 ай бұрын
Klaus of WEF said you will own nothing. you will be happy...
@JoshieMadhatt
@JoshieMadhatt 6 ай бұрын
Man I slept on this song so bad. It's because it's on Encore I guess. But I had a good edible and found this fanmade alternate version of Encore and I got to this song and was like WHOA why didn't I give this a chance? Oh but either way if any of yall aren't aware there's a fanmade alt version of encore and instead of THOSE songs it has better ones from that era like We As Americans, Ricky Tic Tock, Stimulate, Love You More and Rap Game
@billypsc7638
@billypsc7638 8 ай бұрын
The book bush was reading wasn't upside-down the shit thing he did was he kept reading it instead of responding to the tower attacks
@Nick338422
@Nick338422 8 ай бұрын
Orange juice in Michigan 8.00
@metathran656
@metathran656 8 ай бұрын
Bet Em drops the new album on April 1st 🤣🤣
@kendrickmagee672
@kendrickmagee672 7 ай бұрын
Cliff i have Em's Encore album
@black82f100
@black82f100 8 ай бұрын
Man I listen to music 🎶 🎵 to escape all of this political stuff
@face4791-ud4ml
@face4791-ud4ml 8 ай бұрын
They need us divided. They use race religion politics anything and the weak will always follow
@Phenetix09
@Phenetix09 8 ай бұрын
You're not wrong about OIR and OEF Troops
@LynetteA68
@LynetteA68 8 ай бұрын
Corp America price gouging America & politicians who allow it is the problem!!! Focus on the politicians who allow it and vote em OUT!!!
@LogOnStiggs
@LogOnStiggs 8 ай бұрын
I'm honestly creamed up like a mF without a misus 😂 just wanna tell yo Clifford and KaT and Em an the rest of the sewers i ❤ y'all equally but pie a pinch more 🤣🤣🤣💯🥂❤️🔥🤟🏻🫠
@soggycereal2407
@soggycereal2407 8 ай бұрын
yeah these are the songs that other people (rey benzino) dont listen to cuz Em really be out here trying to help and be people just dont lisen or just diss him cuz hes white
@cindyw262
@cindyw262 8 ай бұрын
💙
@touatiamir7592
@touatiamir7592 8 ай бұрын
18:01 france has tried that , doesnt really work
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