Emma Smiths Words That Antis Don't Acknowledge

[@skyleen]

I tried to watch this, but didn't finish. He just couldn't seem to get to the point

[@carolmartin7042]

Thank you, brother. The final basis of The Book of Mormon being the word of God is a personal testimony from the Holy Spirit. An intellectual testimony is good, but only the spiritual testimony will last forever.

[@jamesrexsannatracy8318]

Repent of this blasphemous cult and run to the true and living Christ. Here’s a hint. He’s not satans brother…..

[@etcomehome39]

Believers still believe. Religion is a powerful thing. Joseph Smith practiced polygamy but it doesn’t matter because historical facts do not matter what it comes to faith. No amount of intellectual honesty can overcome emotions.

[@timwrightfamily740]

It would appear that Emma’s son was asking specific questions about current accusations against the book of Mormon.

[@xaverrogers4910]

Fiction book da

[@1pt21jigawatt]

Those accusations haven't changed in 194 years.

[@torysavage1]

JSIII was the President of the RLDS church and they at the time believed the BOM to be the word of God. His line of questioning regarding the BOM was not of anti nature but probably to bring truth and validity to the BOM.

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

I believe Emma and i believe Joseph. It feels so good to have repented of the false beliefs and traditions that were handed down to me about him! ❤

[@PrimaNet23]

The truth about Emma is so important. Thanks for sharing this. Emma was an elect lady all her life. She told the truth about the Book of Mormon and she told the truth when she said Joseph never practiced or taught polygamy and she was his only wife.

[@whyisgamora3721]

Very good. Now read the part where she defends her husband against the false accusations that he ever practiced or taught polygamy. She testified clearly that he never did and stood by the truth.

[@user-xo9tm5ky3z]

@@whyisgamora3721 is there any online reference that you can show me concerning this?

[@user-xo9tm5ky3z]

@@whyisgamora3721 I need it for my research is why I'm asking

[@darcyharefeld211]

@@user-xo9tm5ky3z Camille Fronk Olsen, a renown LDS church historian and scriptorian brought up the statement on a BYU tv network discussion program about 10 years ago that Emma stated in her journal “polygamy was not a part of Joseph’s church.” I didn’t make a note of the date and time.

[@Petiehud]

Read Joseph smith revealed: a faithful telling. Or if you have hundreds of hours watch 132 problems on KZbin by Michelle stone. Same info in both. He most definitely wasn’t a polygamist, but also get used to the fact that prophets are most definitely far from infallible.

[@user-xo9tm5ky3z]

@@Petiehud the church admitted he was a polygamist. The only reason why you would be a Mormon and say that it's because you changed the definition of polygamy. He doesn't have to live with the person and have children with them; the definition of polygamy is being married to more than one person... that's it. The church has the receipts, and in fact I've always known. 10 of those 46 women were already married and one of them was 14. The scriptures say thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife

[@MichaelLivingston-me]

When you only look at a small aspect of Joseph Smith and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you might find things to confirm your previous assumptions and beliefs. This brief Q & A doesn't prove anything to objective investigation. One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. “Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan

[@tedmabey1852]

Thank you for sharing that, Brother Patterson! A marvelous, sweet testimony from Emma Smith! As I was listening to you read that, I could almost hear Emma speak! I got the same warm chills of excitement I always receive after praying, hearing a true sermon in church, hearing President Nelson speaking in General Conference! It is the spirit whispering to me telling me what I have just heard or witnessed is, indeed, the truth! I can't wait to see Brother Joseph and Sister Emma again one day! is there any way I can get a copy of that interview? Where can I find it? My name is Ted Mabey living in Sandy, Utah. THANK YOU!

[@jeffturner8927]

I think the believers are totally confused now Ed. Can you just clarify your opinion of Emma's comments about polygamy and how it contradicts Church teaching?

[@LatterdaySaintIdeas]

I appreciate your intentions to defend the Book of Mormon. It is true. Emma's Last Testimony (ELT) is really Joseph the third's creation. The problem with Emma Smith's last testimony is that it contradicts her earlier testimony, and denies other truths we know to be true. 1. Emma was not allowed to see the translation process as Joseph was forbidden by God to show her. 2. Emma said in a letter sent to Emma Pilgrim that Joseph translated differently than described in ELT. 3. ELT denies polygamy, which we have many many witnesses to. 4. Emma talks about Joseph leaving the plates unsupervised on the table, which again goes against what Joseph said about protecting the plates and not neglecting them. 5. Emma says Joseph couldn't write or dictate a well worded letter, in spite of the fact that we have letters dictated by Joseph Smith from this same time period in which he was clear and eloquent. 6. Emma Smith didn't stay faithful to the church and didn't raise her children to believe in the teachings of the church after Joseph's death. She didn't tell them about their Father's prophetic role until much later in their lives. She was traumatized, and broken, and willing to do whatever she had to to survive, including no talking about the church, or Joseph's mission for decades. I feel for Emma. I weep for her. She died 10 days after this supposed testimony. It's really not something we should use in support of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.

[@alindalt2897]

Thank you.

[@stephenbrown9370]

Emma didn't stay with the church because she knew B.Y. was the charlatan and man who's secret combinations killed the Prophets. She also knew polygamy started with Brigham. The lds church was REJECTED WITH ITS DEAD in 1844 according to the promise the Lord gave in section 124 specifically BECAUSE of Brigham and the fake apostles who were the tares who stole the vinyard and broke down the olive trees. The Nauvoo temple in 124 was the "tower" that was never completed in the parable of the redemtion of Zion in section 101. Christ explained in no uncertain terms in 3 Nephi what would happen with the gathering of Zion, and it WASN'T "Zion is in the heart wherever a fake, rejected lds temple is. Zion sits smack in the middle of the NORTH AMERICAN CRAYTON because it's a SOLID STONE FOUNDATION, unlike all the coastal areas of the U.S. that will sink or be washed away. God builds on a rock, not a sandy foundation. And temples in cities all over the world that will be obliterated is NOT a firm foundation. Any more than the fake apostles and RMN are today. The lds now are nothing more than real estate moguls stealing your tithing to build shopping malls and bail out insurance companies.

[@jamesrexsannatracy8318]

The problem with all of it is that’s it’s all blasphemous lies and hogwash. Nuttier than a squirrel turd

[@robertandersen6387]

I don’t understand in the least why people get hung up on polygamy. What is the big deal? This is one of the simplest doctrines ever brought forth. For Christians, it shouldn’t be worth thinking about. I always ask any Christian why they are so judgmental and shallow when it comes to this. Was Abraham, or Jacob a prophet. “Oh, yes.” They will say, but for some reason it was OK for them, but not a modern prophet. I say, get over yourself. This doctrine, properly understood, is a no brainer.

[@richardduerden9526]

"Anti" and "faithful" is a brutal oversimplification. I suggest you show a more expansive, less reductive view of this tradition and its many, diverse adherents. Gotta have more than two bins in our heads. Otherwise you oversimplify other important issues, too, for example, "Mormonism," which was not the same in 1830, 1879, 2024, etc. For many reasons Emma would not recognize our version of Mormonism any more than she would have the version of 1879 in SLC.

[@phav1832]

Studies show that memory of "what really happened" changes over time -- there are a lot of academic studies that confirm this (Try telling a family story that happened years ago with your spouse and count the number of details and even major points that you remember differently). There is not enough acknowledgement of this important limitation in most of these Church history discussions/debates. Critics of the Church are especially guilty of this.

[@krismurphy7711]

So you are saying that when Joseph Smith wrote down his First Account of The First Vision he forgot a lot of the details???

[@beckywheeler9372]

This church has many ignorant disciples of a great fraud.

[@bryanpons6585]

In your humble opinion of coarse. You make your opinion sound like fact

[@misterskins]

Thank you, Edwin. Could not have been more simple and direct. I have no need, and I expect you as well, for the testimony of Emma Smith, but it is so refreshing to hear of her tenacity for the truth. Truth here comes through the Spirit, and anything more simply confirms what we already know. Thanks again

[@UVJ_Scott]

Ultimately the only proof that is necessary is to read and study the Book of Mormon. All other evidence pales in comparison.

[@krismurphy7711]

Feelings trump Reality...Facts...Evidence....Common Sense?

[@UVJ_Scott]

@@krismurphy7711 Both are important. 2 Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost, which shall come upon you and which shall dwell in your heart. D&C 8

[@krismurphy7711]

@@UVJ_Scott Anything sourced from Joseph Smith and his Rock is suspect.

[@UVJ_Scott]

@@krismurphy7711 that’s what the Pharisees said about Christ. If you haven’t read and studied the Book of Mormon you have no basis for an opinion.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@UVJ_Scott. I’m an Inactive, Questioning-Challenging Member of The Church who was born and raised in it. The Book of Mormon has some interesting, motivating and impressive parts, BUT I find The New Testament the same. More so.

[@dlsdelessemusic]

Where can one find the transcript of this interview? That was powerful! Thank you.

[@freethinker1026]

Emma stood by the truth and the truth is Joseph wasn't a polygamist. Not sure why you left out the part in that very interview where she is asked about polygamy and denies that Joseph ever taught or practiced it. But you are correct, she stood by the truth until the end.

[@danielvega442]

Yes he was section 132 D&C and Bridgem Young was practicing and teaching polygamy.

[@fultongo7457]

Truth can never change but God’s approach to how to accomplish truth can- God is good, so whatever He does is good. He can do as He chooses, as long as it’s good. What is good is also true, they cannot be separated. Any good approach can be used to establish truth. He is the way, “the truth” and the life- He decides what's good for us and we should follow.

[@gstevennash]

Emma was a human and said many things in her life. I don’t think anyone either accepts or rejects the Book of Mormon on her words. The reality is no one should accept or reject it based on anyone words or feelings. They should do so based on total objective reality. I wouldn’t define myself as so much anti as simply for truth. It would be great if everyone let the whole truth out and encouraged critical examination of it using reason and not mystic feelings. If that were done, everyone would come to a consensus the the Book of Mormon is a 19th century work of fiction and by default the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints a fraud.

[@fultongo7457]

17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Fulfilled not tossed also not gone away or destroyed. Remains as truth fulfilled. Still stands in history forever, never to be destroyed. Since it is God’s word and He is the truth, it stands and still remains.

[@BobSmith-lb9nc]

Emma was 74 years old when her son Joseph III asked her those series of questions in Feb 1879. None of those questions were "anti-" style questions. All were direct and honest. A decade earlier, at age 65, she had also discussed some of the same issues in a letter to a friend (Mrs Pilgrim). She was also interviewed in detail by Edmund Briggs in 1856.

[@phav1832]

It's amazing to me that we take these interviews of memories of these people that are literally decades after the events took place and then accept all the details as "facts" . . . human memory changes over time. We need to always keep that in mind in analyzing these types of sources.

[@BobSmith-lb9nc]

@@phav1832 However, when the various testimonies are from those closest to Joseph, and are corroborated by each other (the testimonies are congruent), the likelihood of bad memory is far less.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@BobSmith-lb9nc She had already felt the need for repentance. Just being honest like the rest.

[@darcyharefeld211]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D What do you think she needed to repent of?

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@darcyharefeld211 It isn't what I think. It's what happened. You either know or you don't.

[@kj7653]

Emma was talking to her son. A mother will do anything to protect her son. She would have said anything not to crush his spirit, his childhood idolization of his father, nor his future standing as leader of a church.

[@duncansh81]

Put yourself in her place and see if you would answer the questions in the same way. Let's reframe things a little bit as well. You were persecuted for your beliefs, had children die because of exposure to cold during one instance of a mob dragging your husband out of the house in the winter, saw your husband and bro-in-law killed (likely another bro-in-law poisoned 4 weeks later), had Brigham Young and other Utah church leaders lie and slander you, etc, etc. If Joseph Smith Jr was a liar and a charlatan (as you seem to think), would you want that life for your son or would you renege on what happened earlier in your life and hope he led a different life that would keep him safe and live an honorable life, unlike his father? All records of Emma Smith from people who knew her (aside from Brigham Young, as mentioned above) was that she was one of the most moral people they knew. She fought for truth and lived it to the best of her ability by all accounts.

[@godsoffspring4195]

Thankyou Edwin. Excellent upload!

[@jeffturner8927]

Ed. In the very same “interview” Emma explicitly denies that Joseph Smith practiced or taught polygamy, either spiritual or otherwise. However the LDS Church teaches quite the opposite. Who can we trust?

[@godsoffspring4195]

Can you provide credible evidence Emma said JS was not sealed spiritually to other women?

[@jeffturner8927]

@@godsoffspring4195 It’s in the very same document that Ed is quoting from. Emma said it, if the interview is to be relied upon. Ed seems to think it’s reliable. www.mormonthink.com/files/emma-interview-1879.pdf

[@krismurphy7711]

@@jeffturner8927 Funny that Ed did not mention that.

[@cmr4622]

That's a tough one. On one hand she might have an inkling to support JS regarding the plates and origin of the church. In the same interview, being asked by her son who was the prophet of the reorganized church, that was founded on the premise that Joseph didn't practice polygamy. Did she try to support both? Were there other extenuating circumstances? Good thought exercise.

[@BobSmith-lb9nc]

One matter very hard to explain is that Joseph had no offspring from any of those sealings, while constantly having children with Emma. Were none of those "marriages" consummated? Based on DNA studies, apparently not.

[@mikeoniones667]

I can't wright yet I wrote three books and I picked it up out of my memory and I feel like it flowed through me from the spirit my book was called The book of Mammon

[@bobrussell8339]

You ought to edit your statement again. As currently written it demonstrates that you are totally ignorant of the facts.

[@BookofMormonRap]

She was there and she was a witness of the great work that God brought forth 🙏❤️

[@krismurphy7711]

She witnessed Fanny in The Barn.

[@Canut0]

lol, your favorite go to! Hahaha love you Brother, I hope you have a blessed Sunday 🙏

[@krismurphy7711]

@@Canut0 Emma’s reaction was/is undeniable

[@Canut0]

@@krismurphy7711 my testimony of The Book of Mormon is undeniable 🙏❤️ ... blessings to you as always 👍

[@krismurphy7711]

@@Canut0 I have no doubt it is.

[@buckrogers1408]

Testifying Joseph was ignorant is not faith promoting, I don't think that is really what we should be doing.

[@cynthiashores57]

Great lady of moral character and well suited to supporting Joseph Smith, Jr. She shouldered many burdens.

[@joannedixon1281]

After Joseph Smith died l read that she and her children left and joined another church,

[@madogg152]

Thank you, always appreciate your excellent presentations. :)

[@Jjj53214]

You give great credence to the statements of Emma Smith. However, you are well aware that she consistently denied that Joseph Smith was a polygamist in multiple interviews throughout her life. Emma refused to follow Brigham Young because she maintained Joseph was not a polygamist. I suspect that you accept everything that Emma said, except when it comes to polygamy. I suspect that you think that Emma lied about polygamy, but was truthful about everything else. This inconsistency must be addressed.

[@wheels636]

Considering that Joseph was only sealed to the women Emma was correct. That's the thing anti's forget about. No DNA from any of these sealings exists proving they were just sealings. Even if you want to call it polygamy he would still be within the rules the Lord set out in the Bible.

[@godsoffspring4195]

That's because he wasn't physically practicing polygamy. What is wrong with you guys?? Emma told the truth. :>)

[@Jjj53214]

@@godsoffspring4195 That’s the point. Either Emma was truthful about polygamy, or else her statements are unreliable because you don’t know when she is lying and when she is telling the truth.

[@wheels636]

Brigham had strong opinions about a lot of things just like many people do today. Some were just that his opinions. Not everything a prophet says is the word of the Lord. Many things are but that doesn't mean ever personal opinion is. That's where people get so hung up.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@Jjj53214 Well Emma only ever said one thing. There should be no confusion. JS was not physically practicing polygamy.

[@danielclingen34]

“No reason to be lying” her son continued to lead the second largest branch of Mormonism. Your “witness “ statements also contradict. You really have to do mental gymnastics to think that it’s all true. This isn’t really the convincing argument the title seems to claim.

[@darcyharefeld211]

Be careful of what you accuse the first presidency of saying.

[@darcyharefeld211]

Prove that Joseph Smith or any other prophet stated that Joseph Smith said he lives or lived polygamy. You can’t

[@lolocsun]

Read the preface to D&C132... It clearly states the doctrine had been in place years before it became official... Like in the Simon and Garfunkle song, "Man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest"...

[@darcyharefeld211]

@@lolocsun Polygamy is not a doctrine of the LDS religion. Read Jacob 2,3 and 4 of the Book of Mormon and find out what will Happen to men who desire to have more than one wife.

[@lolocsun]

@@darcyharefeld211 ...That's evidently proof of JSJ's evolving mindset... POLYGAMY was practiced by many of the Mormon church's first "prophets!" Do you not KNOW that? ...Brigham Young had over 50 polygamous wives... Polygamy was a big part of what was supposedly RESTORED... The FLDS church still take seriously D&C132:1-4 which says that taking extra wives and concubines is a 'must' in order to attain exaltation to 'godhood' in the life after this one... There's much more to the LDS religion than is covered by the BoM... Ppl should not be allowed baptism into it, w/o knowing what they're getting into/accepting... How accepting the 'Jesus' of the BoM+ (the + part includes D&C, PoGP, etc, etc), means REJECTING the Jesus of the BIBLE... Wishing you the best...

[@jeffreybernson7978]

D&C132…Joseph never practiced polygamy

[@lolocsun]

​@@jeffreybernson7978 The marriages are no doubt recorded in the well-documented annals kept by the Mormon church... If JS wasn't trying to justify his own practice of polygamy via the voice of "Jesus" (D&C132:24), why was Emma, JS's first wife, (in particular) threatened w/destruction if she didn't submit to it (D&C132:54&64)?...

[@mikeporter6952]

Thank you Edwin! I know of myself, independent of any other influence that the Book of Mormon is true, and that Joseph was an honest man and told the truth.

[@krismurphy7711]

Thank you for sharing your feelings.

[@danielvega442]

@@mikeporter6952 subjective feelings now tell us where the Golden plates are at?

[@mikeporter6952]

@@danielvega442 do you really want to know? Or is this just a dig at my faith? You may know the truth of all things by the power of the Holy Ghost

[@danielvega442]

@@mikeporter6952 through the Holy Spirit not you're subjective mind set. Where's the city of Nephi?

[@mikeporter6952]

@@danielvega442 hey my friend- have a great day… Moroni 10:4-5

[@TrellKennett-ib3ss]

Thank you for posting this!

[@intignia]

How about you define what an anti is before you begin your talk, then it won't be so confusing for those of us who don't know what an anti is and just stumble across your video. "This looks good. Think I'll watch it"

[@chuckintexas]

Pretending to NOT know what an "Anti" is just to make a disparaging comment - NO ONE _FORCED_ you to click in OR to *stay* . The HATRED and Contention is OF THE DEVIL . There is no need for your input unless you can offer something meaningful _either_ way .

[@markfahey3921]

Someone who is against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Some one who attempts to destroy the faith. That's it in a nutshell.

[@intignia]

@@chuckintexas W H A T ???

[@intignia]

@@markfahey3921 Thanks.

[@user-gv9zi5iw5u]

Thank you Ed! Refreshing how these truths resonate to those who know the divinity of the Book of Mormon for themselves. That witness comes only [!] from consuming the words of the book with a heart open to understanding and living. Add my witness that the Book of Mormon [without diminishing anything from the Holy Bible and its special witnesses of Christ] has greatly added to my love of our Savior and understanding of His plan for mankind. You need the gospel clarity of this book. Because of it we better understand the nature of God our Father and His Son; the book witnesses the need for priesthood authority in resolving serious sin; it witnesses that prophets are called among many nations and that no one [!] has the authority to limit, within a single volume, God's word as scripture to his children whom he loves regardless of their time and place on the earth.

[@kaymendenhall786]

This changed my feelings towards Emma. Thank you!

[@fultongo7457]

Moses's followers, men and their brothers were asked to take more than one wife, if a brother died, why?. Sarah offered Abraham a wife, Hagar. Moses was ordained with authoritative priesthood under the hand of Jethro, descendant of Hagar. Jacob, Israel had 4 wives, which would make up many generations of the earth. Were they good or bad men? Are there any replies to this post?

[@fultongo7457]

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; “but thou remainest”; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: “but thou art the same”, and thy years shall not fail. Hebrews 1

[@sheenapetersen]

All that interview proves is that she gave the answers to her son that she wanted to give. I wouldn't consider Emma a "liar" in totality, but that doesn't mean she never did lie.

[@duncansh81]

Put yourself in her place and see if you would answer the questions in the same way. Let's reframe things a little bit as well. You were persecuted for your beliefs, had children die because of exposure to cold during one instance of a mob dragging your husband out of the house in the winter, saw your husband and bro-in-law killed (likely another bro-in-law poisoned 4 weeks later), had Brigham Young and other Utah church leaders lie and slander you, etc, etc. If Joseph Smith Jr was a liar and a charlatan (as you seem to think), would you want that life for your son or would you renege on what happened earlier in your life and hope he led a different life that would keep him safe and live an honorable life, unlike his father? All records of Emma Smith from people who knew her (aside from Brigham Young, as mentioned above) was that she was one of the most moral people they knew. She fought for truth and lived it to the best of her ability by all accounts.

[@jeffreybernson7978]

TRUTH FEELS SO GOOD

[@user-gt9tv9ie4b]

Funny how Joseph couldn’t of hid a book or script to read from but he did hide 50 wives and why didn’t she answer his head was in a hat with a stone so there was no book.

[@meghanschwanke1133]

They were only sealed to him

[@RayRayLem]

Valid points mixed with logical fallacies. Not really a convincing video or a convincing interview. I think it best to stick with faith and prayer.

[@moronibaloney6888]

One of the things that Emma said after the death of Joseph was that she condemned polygamy and that people should only follow the teachings that her husband stated publicly. After all, Joseph covered up the polygamy and the revelation that he wrote for Emma (now known as D&C 132 in the LDS church) remained hidden for decades until it was eventually published in D&C. She never admitted publicly that Joseph had multiple polygamous wives. The LDS church currently acknowledges the polygamy including with teenage girls when Joseph was in his late 30's. I think that Edwin Patterson does a nice presentation, but I do object to his use of the word "anti's". It's a bit of a hateful term and doesn't really describe the intention of most of the vocal opponents to the truth claims of the Mormon churches (LDS, FLDS, RLDS, etc.). I think that the average "anti" most wants to help Mormons to see that they are being deceived, but Joseph Smith set the tone for becoming vitriolic towards ex-Mormons. For example, when William Law revealed Joseph's secret polygamy, the temple endowment, and the second anointing, Joseph tore him down. William Law saw Joseph as a fallen prophet who used his position to do unspeakable things while lying about it publicly.

[@bryancheney3430]

Not being decivied. You have not expreienced what i have and therefore your opinion is worthless.

[@freethinker1026]

Emma stated that the first time she ever heard of any such revelation (D&C 132) was when it was published in the SEER in 1853. William Law was excommunicated by Joseph prior to the Expositor. William Law started his own church prior to the Expositor. William Law conspired to murder Joseph prior to the Expositor. Then William Law published libel in the Expositor for which Joseph believed he was within his rights to destroy the press. Emma never admitted publicly that Joseph had multiple wives because he didn't.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@bryancheney3430 But your opinion is? Hell of a Christian Mormon you are!!

[@krismurphy7711]

@@freethinker1026 Did Emma have an axe to grind? She hated Brigham Young. She abandoned The Church and stayed with a splinter group. SHE has credibility???

[@moronibaloney6888]

@@bryancheney3430 It's called "elevation emotion", and it is a pretty universal emotion and it is very easy to detect from physiological cues (slight tearing in the eyes, a change in breathing, sometimes a flushing of the face). Mormonism teaches you to rely on the Spirit to bear witness to yourself, but it's really just emotion. "Haidt asserts that elevation elicits warm, pleasurable sensations in the chest, and it also motivates individuals to act more virtuously themselves. " That is the "burning in the bosom" that investigators and members chase. The Bible doesn't ask converts to chase after feelings to determine if a man is a prophet; the Bible warns men about testing to see if a prophet makes false prophecies, or if he changes the nature of God. "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. These ideas are incomprehensible to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible." - Joseph Smith, describing a new version of God. I used to be LDS. I served on a foreign mission. You are free to invalidate my words and opinions in your mind. I would expect nothing less from someone who has been indoctrinated by Mormonism. I know that the LDS church isn't true, therefore, I know that true believing members are deceived, and I was one once myself, so I think no less of them as people.

[@tomarmstrong5041]

Totally enjoyed thank you

[@Jsppydays]

Cannot wait to hear your talk about Emma the Brigham, Mormon lawsuit over the land Joseph gave Emma.

[@StandforTruth712]

Ir is so easy to dismantle Emma Smith’s Last Testimony, which is cited more often Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery statements and testimonies regarding Book of Mormon translation or D&C 9: 7-8 when OC, who attempted translation, was scolded for assuming the Lord would just give him the words without him searching it out in his mind. If Joseph was just reading words off a stone in a hat, why couldn’t Oliver? What was Oliver being expected to figure out if actual translation wasn't expected? Now back to Emma’s “last testimony. “ First of all, it was recorded by Joseph Smith III as he took her deposition on her deathbed. JS III was an attorney. Just evaluate his line of questioning and the concise wording of Emma's supposed responses. “Her words aren't those of one sharing heart-felt recollection. JS III was on mission to prove that his father wasn't sitting behind a veil reading from Solomon Spaulding Manuscript as claimed by the popular anti mormon publication “Mormonism Unveiled" at the time of the interview. Having Emma testifying that Joseph sat hour after hour with his face buried in a hat as he read words off a stone to, gets rid of any veil he was supposedly sitting behind to hide the manuscript he was supposedly dictating from. “Scholars” also fail to consider Emma's possible state of mind at the time of the interview. She was on her deathbed during her son's interrogating. In a letter to William Smith following her passing, JS III wrote that his mother was fast failing when he arrived. One must then question her mental acuity. Was she really capable of giving such clear, concise statements? And why is it that church historians are quick to accept her stone in the hat statements as factual but not her claims, given in that same interview, that JS did NOT practice polygamy. Why do historians also ignore the fact that just a few years later, in a “Saints Hearald” RLDS publication, JS III fails to even mention his mother's the stone in the hat narrative when defending his father's and Oliver Cowdery's claims that the BOM was translated using the Urim & Thummim and plates. In defense of those claims, he stated that even though Joseph had a seer stone that only he and Oliver Cowdery would know best how translation occurred. Furthermore, Emma's own statements, written in her own hand, in a response to her friend Emma Pilgrim’s questions regarding BOM translation nine years prior to her deathbed claims, casts further doubt on her “last testimony.” In the letter, Emma Smith states that Joseph used the Urim & Thummim for the first 116 pages. Although she claimed that he used a dark stone after that, not mentioning a hat, she states that she couldn't find her books or “Times and Seasons” articles to verify which details were fact. Although it's interesting that she can't recall details she was a supposed witness to, it's even more interesting that she fails to mention to her friend that she sat hour after hour with Joseph as he read from a stone with his face buried in a hat as she acted as scribe.

[@krismurphy7711]

Emma was all over the place....tossed to and fro. I truly feel for her. Being married to Joseph Smith must have been hell.

[@forzion1894]

I admire your project of reviewing the supports for the Book of Mormon and responding to anti-LDS arguments. However, the so-called "Last Testimony of Sister Emma" is a dubious document and should not be used, despite the fine quotes you have excerpted. It also contains Emma's denials that Joseph was involved in plural marriage, and Joseph Smith III himself later repudiated some of its claims about the Book of Mormon translation. Fortunately you did not read in those parts of the document. However that, together with the untenable polygamy denials, make it likely that the document was actually written entirely or largely by Joseph Smith III as his mother was near death and too ill to actually converse with anyone as portrayed in this supposed "interview." If we're going to be historically rigorous that means we have to avoid unreliable documents that say things we like just as much as those we don't like. Further discussion of the problems of the "Last Testimony" can be found in the new book "By Means of the Urim & Thummim" by Neville and Lucas.

[@timwrightfamily740]

We don’t have all the answers, but I believe she really struggled with polygamy as you can imagine and since Joseph never had any offspring with any of those wives, it would appear that he wasn’t practicing polygamy in the normal sense. Just my two cents.

[@krismurphy7711]

Maybe it was just about sex? David Koresh....Jim Jones....

[@timwrightfamily740]

@@krismurphy7711 of course that’s a obvious criticism and it don’t blame you for making it. But look at the fruits of when polygamy is actually commanded by God and what happens. All of Christianity came out of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Even Moses. I don’t know if you know much about the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints and the heritage, but those who came from polygamous families have been 90% faithful strong leaders, dedicating their lives in service to others making amazing accomplishments in science and business and humanitarian and political efforts. not what you would expect from rotten fruit or deranged individuals. You can also read their journals about what a terrific struggle it was, and what a sacrifice they made. The women were never told to be polygamous. It was the man who were asked to make that sacrifice, and of course it was a great sacrifice for the women, but they were willing to do it to have a chance to be married and to have children. not sure if I could’ve handled such a trial. But we will all have Abraham trials in this life I suppose.

[@wheat2344]

@@krismurphy7711many of the women he married were pregnant at the time of the marriage. If it was about sex why would he marry sexually unavailable women? The prevailing medical belief of that day was sex during pregnancy would hurt the child.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@wheat2344 That is the excuse Narrative. IF you wanted to have sex, and not make a baby, do it with a prego woman. That’s an alternate explanation. We also don’t know if Joseph was into Oral Sex…Anal… etc

[@heathersmith7903]

​@@wheat2344 telling a faithfully married, pregnant woman she has to marry the prophet of the church or an angel with a sword is going to kill him is a horrible use of power. That is coercion. How can you praise a man or God who does that?

[@JSandLDS]

I would never expect anyone involved in the early days to admit that it was a fraud. It would be a big Screw-you to everyone that had lost a family member who truly believed enough to defend their faith to the death. I know that its easy to label people 'Anti's' who don't believe, but the truth of the matter is that most of us who don't believe have nothing against people like you, who seem very honest and sincere about their faith. We just see things from a different perspective than you, and its always healthy to look at things from as many perspectives as you can and come to your own conclusions. That way you learn most about the reality of our world.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@JSandLDS You just can follow God's commandments. Simple.

[@JSandLDS]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D It certainly is simple I agree. I think that's the appeal for many folk

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@GregoryMutt No. Point was that you need to follow God's commandments. The reasons you can't are obvious.

[@JSandLDS]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D Have a lovely day

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@JSandLDS Always try to. God helps.

[@fultongo7457]

He just taught something better for us than what the children of Israel couldn’t handle, but it was still good and true and for their benefit. The first 4 verses of the 10 commandments are to love God the 6 rest are how to love your neighbor. They probably didn’t see that as the sermon on the mount because they wouldn’t go up onto the mount to see Him as Moses wanted.

[@fultongo7457]

Automatically a part, yes. 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. 11 They shall perish; “but thou remainest”; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: “but thou art the same”, and thy years shall not fail. Hebrews 1. Do you believe these words in the New Testament? Yes or No? Did God ever allow plurality of wives in the Old Testament? Type "only" Yes or No.

[@bobrussell8339]

1. Yes, I believe the New Testament. 2. Yes, numerous people in the Old Testament practiced polygamy: Abraham-2, Jacob-4, David-dozens, Solomon- 700 wives and 300 concubines, and many others. What is your point?

[@simeoncox8336]

5:30 "intimacy of a husband and wife..." Yeah, that didn't stop Joseph from hiding dozens of wives from Emma for years. Apparently Joseph was actually quite good at hiding things from Emma.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

Joseph had one wife. She was the one wife he spent his final hours with before going to Carthage jail. Her name was Emma. Like it or not.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@simeoncox8336 quiet pretender.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D Ah...focusing on the person and not the issue again. Do you ever tire of attacking people?

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@krismurphy7711 Do you ever tire of spreading your lies? No one believes you anyway. You've been proven a liar so many times it's marked on your forehead.

[@user-xo9tm5ky3z]

We deny them because we know they're not true! If a man was found to have been married to two wives in modern-day America which has happened a lot with truckers, where they would go and have to remain in different states, they meet someone, they marry, and then they go back to their real family from their original state. When they are dragged into court, they don't ask do you have children with this woman, do you cohabitate with this woman, because that is not the definition of polygamy. It would be different if it was polyamorous, which is a mutual agreement of having more than one love affair with other people. That's not what's going on here, because you guys are already made the argument that they don't cohabitate and they didn't have kids. Emma is a liar, and so is Joseph Smith so we're not going to take their word no matter how long this so-called interview was. The church already admitted to it that he had 46 wives. There are legal records of him having 46 wives. That is the definition of polygamy is being married to more than one person. You call us anti's, and while that may be true, we have good reason to be. I refer to Mormons as the "Church of the inerudited", which is you know the truth, but you think because you've changed the definitions and how you view what you call antimorman sentiments, is actually just denying the truth.

[@alanchadwick1418]

I don't care if he had 100 wives. You are fulfilling prophecy here. The Holy Spirit, always testifies of Truth. The Book of Mormon is true. Jospeh Smith was the Prophet of the Restoration. You may continue to believe as you do, but it will only cut yourself off from the true vine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as you continue to follow this downward path.

[@user-xo9tm5ky3z]

@@alanchadwick1418 you don't care if he had a hundred wives? And what prophecy are you saying is being fulfilled here? Dallin Oaks who is one of the general authorities of the Mormon church said, and I'm paraphrasing; "that anyone in transgression is cut off from the Holy Spirit, which is the medium in which one receives personal revelation..." Joseph Smith was in transgression and by his marrying of women who were already married. In fact, he committed three transgressions for which he did not atone. He lied to the people of nauvoo in regards to his plural marriage, so the transgression he broke here which is supposedly one that is held up most by the church, and that is not to lie. His second transgression according to the book of Alma was the committing of adultery against his wife Emma. It was only after Emma found out that he received this convenient and divine Revelation of plural marriage which is included in your doctrine and covenants 132. His lie loops around twice, because Emma denies this even though it's part of church record in the history of Joseph Smith that Emma found out that she's the 12th wife, and Joseph Smith had other wives after her. His third transgression was thou shall not covet they neighbor's wife; he was married to 46 women, 10 of which were already married. Even if he only committed one of these, there was not once that shows Joseph Smith had gone through atonement for his transgressions, which means he was cut off from the Holy Spirit according to your beliefs, and therefore could not receive revelation. According to church histories, he still received Revelations while he was locked up in Carthage jail which means in order to receive Revelation, he had to go through atonement, in order to go through atonement there has to be witnesses, since there was no witness to his atonement before going to Carthage jail, he had to have lied about receiving revelation. Even if we were only look at that at the narrow lens of those few days that he was in jail, he was still in transgression for having drank wine, and killing a man before he tried to skydive out of the window. According to the Book of Alma, taking another person's life is one of the abominable sins. So are you going to deny your own book which was written by the very prophet that you're defending, or are you going to continue to make more excuses for why you believe in this garbage?

[@robertandersen6387]

Only weak minded men can’t grasp the doctrine of polygamy.

[@Desertpagan]

Whether an "Anti" acknowledged her words or not, the strength of Emma Smith's words does not change what is false and makes it true.

[@jeffwilson4693]

Very interesting. Thank you.

[@reppi8742]

It seems you don't acknowledge the truth. Your title is a poor attempt at manipulation.

[@Robert-rw5lm]

Dang Edwin you have a following of Antis that follow every one of your videos. I'd say if you have the attention of the enemy then you must be doing something right?

[@krismurphy7711]

Ed has his say....I post my Comments and Questions. The not so funny part is Ed NEVER responds to back up his claims...when they are challenged.

[@simeoncox8336]

Funny, if an "anti" refuses to listen to a faithful argument, then they're not willing to see the whole picture, they're not being objective. On the other hand, if an anti DOES listen, then they're an enemy. Is there anything that a questioning member can do right? Or a former member?

[@TairyGreen89]

​@@simeoncox8336no, because mormonism is a cult. The fact that he refers to non-mormons as "antis" is very telling.

[@user-xo9tm5ky3z]

The enemy? That's a funny euphemism. Is because the church teaches you that you are not to hearken unto information that could actually make you think about what the church actually believes? We know that you're told that any information that's against the LDS church is of Satan. I'm here to tell you that's stupid. The Bible tells us to point out the false prophets, to point out false doctrine, and you're here talking about getting the enemy's attention. Is that what you call actual Christians on a rescue mission to save their wayward brothers and sisters? Any religion that promises that you can be a God if you do this or that, cannot be from God. That is akin to the promise Satan made to Eve in the garden. You guys are being duped and we're sitting on the outside just throwing our hands in the air because you people are just flat full-tilt stupid. How can a perfect book which is how Joseph Smith described the first copy of the Book of Mormon, have 20 other editions in the span of 140 years? That means the Book of Mormon literally goes through the so-called spelling and grammical error check every 7 years. Joseph Smith wasn't describing what it would be and how he said the Book of Mormon is the most perfect of any book on earth in the future, he was talking about the copy he had in his hands! Now you'll say that the Bible has gone through changes, and indeed it has. But scholars for the last 800 years have dependent and acknowledged the King James version of the Bible being the closest thing that you're going to find in English to the Dead Sea scrolls. Never said what was given to us as the complete gospel was always perfect, but I can definitely say that there didn't need to be 20 different editions because of grammical and spelling errors. Were these people that ill educated and stupid that they couldn't proofread their doctrine the first time around? You would think since Joseph Smith was emphatically concerned about the missing 162 pages of the other bullshit book that he was going to write, that he would make sure that there were no spelling or grammical errors in which to point out even further imperfection which would instill doubt. It doesn't instill doubting people like you because you're just as stupid. That's not hyperbole, that's an observation. I live around Mormons and they say the same stupid shit that you just did. How can you believe that your God is the same God of the Bible and the creator of all things, if you believe he was once a man? Unless you want to double down and say that he was superhuman and was able to create things before he became an actual God? Trust me son, this is not those hill you want to die on, there's ample literature on the Church's racism, all the weird ceremonies and rituals that you guys do which were ripped from Freemasons. The racism of the church declaring black people unfit or unclean so they can't serve as priests or preachers in your church. I have a microfiche version of the 1830s Book of Mormon so I know for a fact that these extra editions, were reactionary changes of the last 140 years of people questioning your doctrine... If you believe these were for spelling or grammical errors, then you would also have to believe that these people that put this book together are the stupidest people that ever lived If they have to go through 20 editions to catch all the spelling and grammical errors. We know Mormons like to play word games and the denial game. We're not the ones that you refer to as the enemy, that is actually worshiping Satan. The sad part is you guys don't even realize it because of how it's presented to you and everybody else. What you don't realize is the same thing happened to Eve. She saw the fruit from the forbidden tree is pleasing to the eye and pleasant to the scent. Evil's not going to present itself as a pile of dog shit covered in rainbow sprinkles. You still know it's dog shit, and Eve learned that the hard way. And her dumb female brain, she was a thinking the same thing that you do about your own religion. How could all this good be actually evil? We give to the community, we give people jobs, we help people in need not only here but in other countries. Yeah, you guys do... But so did the daughters of Apollo, don't so did the followers of Zeus, so did the followers of Buddha. The daughters of Apollo with few exceptions does exactly what the Mormon church does! They didn't run off to other countries and shove their bullshit religion in other people's faces, but almost all the precepts are there. Was Apollo one of your gods? And if he was what's he doing here? I thought each God was given their own planet? See, it just takes a little bit of rational thinking and Mormons are not rational in any sense of the word.

[@jacobmayberry1126]

​@@krismurphy7711your challenges aren't intelligent enough to be worth responding too. All I see is screeching.

[@getkraken8064]

This is all so much water under the bridge. What matters to me is this: Are Joseph Smith and Emma united in the eternal spirit worlds NOW as husband and wife. And does Joseph and his other wives enjoy a celestial eternal union also? Celestial marriage, plural marriage was never about this world, it was always about being together in glory in the Kingdom of God. To be carnally minded is death. To be spiritually minded is life everlasting. Let the dead marry the dead.

[@roygonzalez2478]

Amazing video. Subscribed.

[@Autamnleaves65]

The thing you forgot to mention is that Joseph and Hyram also denied that abominable practice. also you discount the book of Mormon. And the 10 commandments. Brigham was influenced by the cochranites.

[@krismurphy7711]

And the statements in the Nauvoo Expositor???

[@clontstable1]

It’s Hyrum, not Hyram. You’re showing you’re ignorance.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@clontstable1 My Gfathers name was Hyrum too. Apparently you think dictation on phones is 100 accurate. Hiram is another outcome.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@Autamnleaves65 sure. Try learning facts.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@krismurphy7711 quiet hypocrite.

[@darcyharefeld211]

Thank you for posting this beautiful tribute to Emma Smith. She was truly a great and wonderful woman. The prophet Joseph Smith was a pure hearted innocent man. He was for ordained to restore the gospel of Jesus Christ in these latter days. He did not have any other wife other than Emma. The Book of Mormon is the greatest gift.

[@krismurphy7711]

That is NOT what the Church now admits. The Church says Joseph Smith married over Three Dozen women and YOUNG GIRLS!!! Hell of a "prophet."

[@timrathbone7093]

Typical lds gas lighting. Emma lied so many times denying polygamy !!! Wake up ed!

[@ilovesheenaeaston]

Excellent video. The biggest question I have is why didn't she and her children go west with B. Young? Why didn't the body of the Church take care of them after the death of Joseph? My seminary taught me that it was because she was simply exhausted from the adversity she experienced. Any thoughts on this explanation?

[@paulgreco5419]

… concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb. Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord; First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord. (D&C 112:24-26) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. …that he might be revealed in his time. (2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3-4, 6, 7) While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. (D&C 85:8)

[@davidtemple2831]

His name would be had for both good and evil among men. Hmm. It only matters what God and Emma knew!

[@kevincoleman9855]

Joseph Smith certainly engaged in polygamy and with Louis Bidamon impregnated another woman while being married to Emma. Is it possible she just had a broken picker when it came to men?

[@BlaineHeggie]

That was great!

[@bryanpons6585]

Giving others the benefit of the doubt creates peace. I get the doubt. The book of Mormon has stood the test of time. Too intricate to be false I say. It predicts American future events. More evidence will support it over time as it has in the past.

[@Jsppydays]

I absolutely would not believe anything Emma said. Love is blind. My mom is LDS, staunch LDS and she stayed with her husband for 20 years 10 kids later had to get a divorce because he was screwing around on her the whole time. She refused to believe it. All of friends were calling to let her know just two years after she got married to my dad that he was a total womanizer. Don't kid yourself women can be blind. After reading several of Emma's books or writing about Emma's history, Emma was just like my mom.

[@Jsppydays]

You know why LDS members are so victimized financially? They are Gullible. Utah is the number one state in the nation of financial fraud. Because they trust, gullible, innocent and act before they do homework and get facts. Even if it does not make any sense don't do it or buy into it. They lose their hard earned money, inheritance, even if it's their relative stealing from them. My step Brothers stole 150,000 from my parents for investments. He spent and claimed he lost all of it. He never paid them back. They completely forgave him. Unfortunately that was my inheritance given to us by our grandfather not to be given to the stepchildren. It can be a Bishop, neighbor or best friend who will blind side you. Emma was broken and desperate, gaslit by her husband just like the financial fraud victims of today. If she listened to the spirit of the holy Ghost she would have left Joseph. Do you think God would want her to suffer the way Joseph Smith made her suffer and then married her as his 23rd wife? Really? Adultery was still a violation of the ten commandments. But she bought into all this. Her smart father warned her. But her lesson. Think.

[@patrickjohnson3671]

What evidence you have that Jesus rose from the dead?

[@tedmabey1852]

​. What "evidence" do you have that he didn't??

[@patrickjohnson3671]

@@tedmabey1852 I guess you want to help your friend out. l hope we can be respectful. Please forget about me, I am just a fly on the wall trying to learn from great minds like you. You are probably one of those persons who believe the book of Mormon to be of the devil, which I duly respect. Now I am assuming you know without a shadow of doubt, that Jesus was resurrected. How did you come by this knowledge?Please answer directly and not with another question or create any diversion. Otherwise I will assume you don’t have a personal testimony of the Jesus’s resurrection.

[@tedmabey1852]

@@patrickjohnson3671 Just the opposite, Patrick! I have a firm testimony that the Book of Mormon is totally true and inspired by GOD!

[@xaverrogers4910]

Word anti says us verses others very culty boy

[@zionking2634]

Both you and Emma appear to be acting deceitfully. Emma directly lied to her son's face. If the polygamy statement is false, then the entire testimony is invalidated and can be thrown out as trustworthy.

[@krismurphy7711]

HELL of a "Restoration"!!!! What a Cluster.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@krismurphy7711 Yeah, your surgery didn't come out right, did it. Still it matches the rest of you.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D SMH....but Thank You!! Flailing around for some kind of insult....If that's the best you can do...well that says more about you than me.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@krismurphy7711 What insult? The truth isn't an insult. Why are you in denial? Are you ashamed of something? You are a Christian, aren't you?

[@berdytv3739]

Your just turning the story around but not the true and facts is uttered😜

[@carlhornbeck8382]

To much commentary... Get to the meat of the matter...

[@krismurphy7711]

Ed, why was Emma never officially shown "The Plates"??? Of anyone in Joseph Smith's life, she was deserving to see them...UNCOVERED...OUT IN THE OPEN so that she could examine them much better AND DIRECTLY. Why was she never given that opportunity???

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@krismurphy7711 quiet puppet.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D Inconvenient truth you refuse to discuss? WHO is the real puppet?

[@b.kimhumphreys6662]

Wow, such bitterness. Read the book, then try to write even 1 chapter, made-up about multiple ancient peoples and their religious and secular history, using any books or references you want. Include a promise that if you pray about it, the truthfulness will be manifest to you.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@krismurphy7711 You will always be a dishonest puppet. You are nothing but a person hiding your inability to follow God's commandments. You are of little consequence.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@krismurphy7711 tell us about your personal family? Do you have one, or is that your real problem?

[@jgreen8298]

Ha,ha....anti's.

[@ryaneden1187]

I really get distracted by your use of the term "anti". Some things I've you say "anti's say" are historical facts the Church confirms as accurate. Certainly the Church is not under what you mean by "anti". It really ruins your videos how anchored you are to the anti term. Basically this video makes it sound like anyone who has a question is an anti. Instead of "anti" just say "some people". Some people question this... Some people say this... Some people ask... It sounds much more intelligent and less manipulative.

[@rodneyjamesmcguire]

We need to consider all the possibilities. She could just be a liar. She could be supporting Joseph's fraud. Or, she could be telling the truth. How do we reasonably determine what is the case? That's the approach I would take. I find her to be an unreliable witness, for quite a few reasons, but I don't reject, out-of-hand, everything she had to say.

[@godsoffspring4195]

If Emma's not a reliable witness.... what is??

[@Robert-rw5lm]

If you only trust the things you like, does that make you a trustworthy witness?

[@rodneyjamesmcguire]

@@Robert-rw5lm Exactly. That's why we take everything she said, and do our best to verify if it's trustworthy. We don't just reject her statements out-of-hand. We do the same for any historical figure.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@rodneyjamesmcguire So If Emma was alive today and told you the same thing as recorded... what then buds?? Would you believe her or just wait until she becomes a part of history for you to poo poo on?? :>)

[@clontstable1]

It’s sad that Brigham Young had so much disdain for Emma.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

He hated her because he could not control her the way he could other women.

[@philandrews2860]

I'm sure that all of those old disagreements and misunderstandings are long since cleared up in the hereafter. I believe that since both of them stayed true to their testimonies of the Gospel throughout their lives that in the hereafter all the foibles of human nature that they participated during their lives are long since repented of and healed.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@icecreamladydriver1606 No, he didn't. Emma left the church for many reasons. None good. Brigham offered her the path back. You either know or you don't. Let it go.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@philandrews2860 I'm afraid there's more to take into account. She used her son to lead hundreds away from learning the restored gospel. Joseph Smith III was never a prophet or any before or after in the RLDS. If she can be forgiven, anyone can be. ANYONE. This is high doctrine not to be discussed here.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D Get to know the real Brigham before defending him.

[@KBColeLong]

This is excellent! Maybe if those who don't believe in the truths in the Book of Mormon actually READ it and prayed to God, asking with real intent if it is true, minds might be opened to nobler endeavers than trying to drag others down to their level.

[@krismurphy7711]

Polygamy was way below Society and The Law. Telling people they can't get back to live with God unless they get a ticket to the temple, which costs 10% of their gross income is a very low level.

[@topazblahblah]

@@krismurphy7711 Christ gave all to the Father. 10% is nothing.

[@fultongo7457]

Having a plural wife is better than fornication then. agreed.

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

Yes, we should all be one. 😂

[@fultongo7457]

@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx Just was replying to another person on the topic of... Moses's followers, men and their brothers were asked to take more than one wife, if a brother died, why?. Sarah offered Abraham a wife, Hagar. Moses was ordained with authoritative priesthood under the hand of Jethro, descendant of Hagar. Jacob, Israel had 4 wives, which would make up many generations of the earth.

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

@@fultongo7457 I'm sorry but I missed your point. Are you arguing for or against?

[@fultongo7457]

​@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx For. Rationnel: This looks to have happened and that God was for it in those cases.

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

@@fultongo7457 Obviously it happened but where does it say God was for it. You make these statements but never say anything.

[@jueyjuice7265]

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[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

I agree with her and believe Emma. I wish the church did but they do not. Emma stated Joseph never had any other wife. So either she is a liar about everything or she told the truth about it all. So section 132 from Brigham is false. You either have to agree with Brigham that she was going to hell as the most wicked woman, or, God who called her an elect lady. The church cannot go to Emma when it suits the narrative and then throw her under the bus when convenient. Yet we throw Joseph and Emma under the bus to protect wicked men. That is where the marring of his and her name comes in, by anti's and by members too.

[@krismurphy7711]

The most wicked man was the one who came up with the idea of modern polygamy....Joseph Smith. Do you really delude yourself that Polygamy was started and practiced in Nauvoo without Joseph and Hyrum knowing/authorizing/originating it??? lol

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

@@krismurphy7711 of course I do. If it was so open why did most non mas0nic members not go west. Not trust the 12 More than 1/2 did not go. You ever wonder why. So many hate Joseph and love or ignore Brigham known lies and much much worse. The adversary hates Joseph and loves his own.

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

@@krismurphy7711 Actually you have that completely backwards but if it makes you happy to be part of the crowd.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@FleeingBabylon-Now If you want to delude yourself in denial, I’d recommend you start investigating joining the flat Earthers and Apollo Landing deniers.

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

@@krismurphy7711 You really are bought into the delusion. Of course the Earth is flat, no one ever landed on the moon, no one has ever gone to space, and Joseph Smith did not do or start polygamy.

[@Icanonlyimagn7891]

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[@tennisgirl57]

Why did you leave out the question about polygamy? Why are we hiding the truth that Joseph never practiced polygamy?

[@krismurphy7711]

Ed, the truth is Emma Smith was a liar. After the fact she denied Joseph ever practiced it. THIS IS WELL KNOWN....you need to do more studying.

[@ja-kaz]

Does this channel give you a chubbie?

[@krismurphy7711]

@@ja-kaz All about me again? My comment was about Emma being a liar.

[@ja-kaz]

@@krismurphy7711 send Monica my love

[@Robert-rw5lm]

Oh if she's a liar then we don't have pay attention to her negative statements against the church either, thanks

[@krismurphy7711]

@@Robert-rw5lm All I know…is she lied about polygamy. As far as anything else…I have no opinion and have not read anything about her and any other topic, except her hatred of Brigham Young

[@susiemccomb4501]

Poor Emma couldn’t admit to her husband’s philanderings; it would’ve toppled her son’s reorganized organization.

[@ericredd5590]

She left the church. That should tell you everything you need to know. I do not condemn Emma nor do I judge her. But, Brigham Young you second prophet had nothing good to say about her.

[@arcondpvp]

She didn't leave "the church" she stayed on the east coast and with the help of her family and surrounding people they formed the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints now known as Community of Christ

[@ericredd5590]

@@arcondpvp she chose to not be a part of the LDS church led by Brigham Young the one this gentleman thinks is the one true church.

[@arcondpvp]

@ericredd5590 My point is that Emma Smith not joining the Brighamite LDS Church is not a good argument against her belief in Joseph Smith and his claims. The RLDS still taught from the Book of Mormon and followed Joseph Smiths teachings.

[@ericredd5590]

@@arcondpvp my point is you are using her words to support your version that of truth not the version she is associated with.

[@arcondpvp]

@@ericredd5590 I never tried to use her words to support the validity of the Brighamite LDS Church, only her belief in Joseph Smith

[@krismurphy7711]

Ed, apparently you are not aware of the hostility between Emma Smith and Brigham Young? And you don't bother to mention Brigham's opinion of Emma....????

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@krismurphy7711 He didn't have to. You're just a spoonfed liar anyway.

[@wheels636]

Brigham had many strong opinions some were just that his opinions just like everyone we all have opinions. But when they speak in the name of the Lord that's completely different.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@wheels636 If not for Brigham Young, the church would have never become what it did. He did not tolerate betrayal or allow the world to overcome the saints.

[@wheels636]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D He was definitely what the Lord needed for that time. Thus a strong prophet with strong opinions.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@wheels636 HOW convenient.

[@patriciafinn5717]

Didnt brigham young say awful things about her?? Not the antis..so please stop blaming the wrong people...her husband wasnt loyal to her..very sad.😢😢😢

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

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[@krismurphy7711]

Ed, you constantly misrepresent "Antis" generally. You attribute assumptions to them that most, if not the vast majority of those who challenge The Church don't believe.

[@wheels636]

I was wondering when the anti's would come out of the woods. As I've said before you can leave the church but you sure can't leave it alone. All you want to do is spew your hate.

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

@@wheels636I don’t know. Churches can be very hurtful institutions and if there is perceived dishonesty, the church needs to account for that. The church asked a lot of people and people have a right to ask a lot of the church. Mormonism is based on some very questionable claims coming from just a few people. Claims that are not adding up. Plus the church is currently a huge hoarder of wealth. In conclusion, the “antis” as this channel labels them must be treated with respect and have their grievances heard and addressed. Blessings.

[@wheels636]

@@PrairieChristianOutreach no they Don't need their grievances addressed because they've done nothing more than regurgitating things that have been proven wrong again and again. They quote sources from people who had an axel to grind who were proven to be liars. People who were not living the Gospel who were adultery in one case. Study who these people were and you'll see people who thought they should lead the church.

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

@@wheels636 I know that is not true. Mormonism has many issues as a church. First of all, it has Scriptures of very questionable origins and qualities. The Book of Abraham has been shown to be fraudulent. The BoM has no historical backing or basis. The original leadership engage in immoral behaviors. The current church is espousing money over the gospel. I understand that no church is perfect, but the members of the LDS faith deserve solid answers to tough questions. Some answers may work for some people, but others need honest dialogue with the concerns.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@wheels636 AND all you do is offer personal attacks.....avoiding the Issues.

[@billthecat22]

They were all fanatical liars

[@lucybates8078]

And I don't believe he could have been able to translate it if he was a polygamist adulterer as the narrative of the church expounds.

[@fultongo7457]

You are right, God changed His mind about black people, polygamy, the temple ceremony (many times), and the word of wisdom. Those were good to change as needed by Him. God can only do things that are good, correct? - so we are in agreement.

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

Yep, God is always changing his mind with. 😂

[@fultongo7457]

@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx Just was to say... that He decided to answer prayers to clarify what we should do regarding these things, as these are important questions, asked Him and received answers and direction on how to proceed with His will, as best as we can under the current circumstances and changes that we need and needed to make for our lives.

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

@@fultongo7457 Nope, God never condoned those things to begin with.

[@fultongo7457]

@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx There are background stories good and bad about this. Not arguing, but someone must be right about them.

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

Those things are all Brighamite changes and teachings.

[@fultongo7457]

Mormon was a good man and prophet who compiled God's records. I think we mistakenly took on the name Mormons, because we were tired of fighting being called that so much and still are called by that. People are generally lazy talkers anyway, it still wrongly falls from the lips of so many, so continuously. It is not the name of the church nor is it Mormon doctrine. It's only in that they are the words of Christ that he wrote and compiled which are good, that we subscribe to that being the same thing which he wrote and spoke. He speaks in the name of Christ as a prophet, as any other prophet would do, so words of Mormon are the words of Christ. Why wouldn't Christ visit His people on the American continent, since He loves all of His children and wouldn't He not have prophets write about it and then let people know about it?

[@krismurphy7711]

Gee....then why did Mormon Prophets and Apostles sign off on the "Meet the Mormons" PR campaign that lasted decades????

[@fultongo]

@@krismurphy7711 All have been duly scolded, as you know. Rightly so! Doesn’t mean the name Mormon is bad, especially him being a prophet. We are still called and known as the children of Israel and Abraham as well as Children of Christ. Are these bad names? Do they not indicate the same people? We still know who is being referenced. God’s people almost always have been scolded and needing correction throughout all time.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@fultongo LOL. So past Prophets and Apostles who approved and used "Meet the Mormons" WERE furthering Satan's Plan???