Why? How? You believe God needs a seer stone and gold plates to help a man "translate" another set of Scriptures that were supposedly buried after after His Church got started in America and died off for hundreds of years? No He didn't. First off, God wouldn't allow His Church to die off for hundreds of years. He would have prevented that and it would have grown. God certainly wouldn't need JS to use a seer stone to translate, which goes against His word. God wouldn't need to translate at all. He would have spoken to JS and done so without stealing from the man-made English translation, the KJV. There's nothing unique or difficult about the BoM. All of the text is remix of several books while using the KJV bible as filler.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
IGNOMINIOUS - "Word History First Known Use 15th century, in the meaning defined at sense 2. The first known use of ignominious was in the 15th century" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary ONLINE)
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
GENERAL - "First Known Use Adjective 13th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1. Noun 1550, in the meaning defined at sense 1. The first known use of general was in the 13th century" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary ONLINE)
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@WatchingwaitingG2D2 ай бұрын
Quiet pretender.
@WatchingwaitingG2D2 ай бұрын
You're not even a member of any denomination. Just a fake.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@WatchingwaitingG2D you are a Bearer of False Witness. Joseph Smith was the real Pretender....and not very quiet about it.
@tracystoutbehunin93032 ай бұрын
I love your channel!! Thanks for your passion about the Restored Gospel. Besides loving the subject matter - This video is well produced.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@lolocsun2 ай бұрын
@@brettpinion4233 Yay4U, Brett!... A person CAN'T claim to believe both the BIBLE and the BoM+ are true... Those contending so, are speaking from both sides of their mouths...
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
@@lolocsun What I am trying to figure out is do they even know it conflicts with the bible? I wonder if any have read Isaiah or John? How can they be blind? I never get a straight answer. Just duck, dodge and deflect.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
It is not restored. It is re-written to add J.S. to it. Don't you know he rewrote Genesis to add himself to it. However, no ancient manuscript or fragment has ever been found with any of Smith's additions. Yet 10's of thousands have been found that show the bible is the same today as back then. I wonder why? I hope you do to. God bless.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
@@lolocsun Sadly true.
@Jjj532142 ай бұрын
Edwin asserts that Joseph Smith did not write the Book of Mormon. Of course, Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon. The text came from his mouth to his scribes. Even the Lord said Joseph was called to write the book. “Behold, thou (Joseph Smith) wast called and chosen to write the Book of Mormon, and to my ministry; . . . .” (D&C 24:1). The issue is not whether he wrote the book or not, but whether it came from his imagination or from inspiration or revelation.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
That assumes Joseph Smith didn't just create the words in the "D&C" out of thin air. Everything REQUIRES faith that Joseph Smith is telling the truth.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@anthonyjames44782 ай бұрын
@brettpinion4233 Your own reasoning is itself specious as you overthink many of the statements made by Joseph Smith or many scriptural passages. Even so, much of what you claim is of scripture comes from later creeds.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
@anthonyjames4478 please tell me what I preach that is not biblical? All I did was point out the different God of LDS using the Bible scriptures to prove it is a different evolving, none creator of the Universe false god. Why does LDS so often fail to read the Bible and study it as Jesus said?
@bagfacedog2 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 "Everything REQUIRES faith that Joseph Smith is telling the truth." Unlike MAGAism, which requires no faith that DJT is telling the truth.
@coryhorton58372 ай бұрын
Joseph didn’t have to pull it from his mind, or at least not originally. What did you think about, “The Late War,” connection? Gilbert J Hunt wrote a retelling of the war of 1812 in a King James style. That could explain a lot of similarities with the War chapters of the Book of Mormon. But I think Joseph got a little sloppy and too specific in copying from, “The Late War.” "two thousand hardy men, who ... fought freely for their country .. Now the men of war were . men of dauntless courage." - Hunt "two thousand of those young men ... to defend their country. ... they took their weapons of war, . were all young men, and they were exceeding valiant for courage, .. " - Smith Like, was he even trying here? “.... near Moravian Town ... And it came to pass ... the army ... were under ... a chief warrior, whom they called Tecumseh [.] smote their chief warrior [Tecumseh], and slew him ... he fell to the earth." - Hunt "..people of Morianton .. And it came to pass .. the army ... was led by a man whose name was Teancum [...] they did pursue Teancum, and slew him ... he was dead, and had gone the way of all the earth" - Smith
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@jake88822 ай бұрын
Bingo
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
THIS is just ONE SOURCE of "inspirational material" that could have been used.
@jake88822 ай бұрын
@krismurphy7711 nah nah nah. Not even close to likely. Good try
@RS-tz2zn2 ай бұрын
Cory, you might be interested to know that I just did a search of Late war and the words ignominious, appelation, prick, and interposition do not appear in late war. You can look up the book yourself online and do your own search for these words if you would like. So you do you have another guess what source these words may have come from?
@bradleyganz41182 ай бұрын
God bless you Edwin Patterson!! Thank you for making these videos!!
@alexanderv77022 ай бұрын
The Sacrament prayers must be word perfect; if nor, the prayer must be said agaun, as dictated in the Book of Mormon. Yet! Water is said-when it should be WINE.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
The Below are examples of WHEN the English words Ed mentioned were first used. So.... Joseph Smith had access to these specific English words. They have ALL been in use for hundreds of years. Many that Ed has previously tried to use, WERE USED MORE IN THE EARLY 1800's than NOW!! We think of them as unique in 2024....but in the 1820's?????
@elderinisrael2 ай бұрын
Joseph Smith didn't have the knowledge of most of these words, the words and meaning of the words wouldn't have been known to Joseph Smith, as Ed states you would have to be extremely educated to know more then a few meaning of the words. Joseph Smith had a little more than a third grade education. You and I wouldn't know many meaning of the words.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@elderinisrael I never said Joseph Smith had a knowledge of these words....just that they existed, were available. I don't think he created "The Book of Mormon" on his own. I've said the opposite here exclusively. ED is the one who keeps claiming Joseph Smith could not have written it...and I generally agree. So that leaves Two Alternatives....not Ed's Two..... One, it is possible it is for real. Two, and more likely, it was created by a Group. The Problem is the King James Version words. Anachronisms. Joseph Smith's lack of credibility. Because of the dirty laundry from Joseph Smith's life that The Church suppressed for 50 years of my life, I am now a strong doubter.
@elderinisrael2 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 There is zero evidence that a large group created The Book of Mormon and lots of eye witnesses and evidence that he couldn't have written it. Like Elder Uchtdorf said, "Doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith." From my studies and research of my own, #1 is the only option.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@elderinisrael WHO said “large group”???
@elderinisrael2 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 well "group" there is zero evidence that a group had anything to do with The Book of Mormon. It was my mistake in putting large, my apologies.
@jeromemeyers2 ай бұрын
I know for a fact that the book of Mormon is true. The audible voice of God shook me to the bone & told me to "deny not the Holy Spirit". I was talking to God, & telling Him that I thought I had "graduated religion". Meaning, I wasn't sure if I needed religion anymore. I was a bit confused at the time to say the least. I had already felt the Holy Spirit & had a burning in my bosom many, many times before. God had already testified to me by the Spirit. The warmth in my chest I felt in that moment wasn't unfamiliar. It was the burning fire of the Holy Spirit, a clear message, a familiar confirmation that resonated deeply. Undeniable. I was shown that: Joseph Smith's vision of God the Father & Jesus Christ standing together in the air was true. The Book of Mormon wasn't just any book; it was the very word of God. And the temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints weren't mere buildings, but sacred houses of the Lord, where families & couples could be eternally bound together. What other evidence did I need? By the mercy & Grace of God, I heard His voice. I will never deny it. And I will proclaim & declare it forever. Jesus Christ is the Living God. He is my Savior. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He will return to rule and reign on this earth. The Book of Mormon AND the Bible will help us draw even closer to him. I promise this is true. We must repent & have faith in Him. I share this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
Does your family have a history of schizophrenia?
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
FACULTY - "First Known Use 14th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1. The first known use of faculty was in the 14th century" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary ONLINE)
@eastint2 ай бұрын
Wow satan’s minions are really fired up over this video!
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
I'd say Joseph Smith was a Minion of some dark force.....via his moneydigging scamming and later sexual predation.
@KheminАй бұрын
Ah, yes... the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt: Ad Hominem. If you can't counter their arguments with either reasoning or evidence, insult them. 🙄😡
@krismurphy7711Ай бұрын
What is more evil than telling people THEY MUST ATTEND AN LDS TEMPLE TO GET TO LIVE WITH GOD....AND THAT COSTS 10+% OF THEIR GROSS INCOME????????
@krismurphy7711Ай бұрын
LDS Church and Scientology....Salvation via Checkbook
@KheminАй бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 ... Believe or not, this was the foundational motivation why the "apostles" created Christianity in the first place (and, yes, there can be no doubt they created the religion... not "Jesus"). As we read in Acts 4-5, the "apostles" set up the Church to force all members to sell all they had and give all the money to them... on pain of DEATH if they didn't! And while not as Communist extremist, Catholicism continued that basic practice ever since, practically and literally selling salvation to its constituents for almost 2,000 years.
@jameschenault74042 ай бұрын
I love the bom it truly is what it says it is but your killing me this clip should be 4 hrs long at least. The more i know better it goes when talking to non lds so hurry up with content. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
This is Ed’s “new opening video.” He’s been saying this kind of things for a while. 30 or more “proof” words. I don’t know why he needed to make THiS video and repeat many things Ed knows is not true/accurate. The Main Point is his claim that “Antis” claim Joseph Smith ALONE created the book. That is not true and Ed knows it, but keeps repeating it. He bears false witness against many people
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@tabandken85622 ай бұрын
Only the gullible fall for this.
@symphonyofdissent2 ай бұрын
This video presents a really poor quality argument. 1. You keep asserting that there is no way that a less educated individual in Joseph Smith's day would have known words like ignominious. But you provide no evidence for this. When you look at the letters and writings of the 19th century, you see a significantly more sophisticated vocabulary and word usage. You need to show that these words were uncommon or unknown in Joseph Smith's day not in our day to be saying anything valuable. 2. You treat the ranking of a definition in a dictionary as if it correlates with frequency of usage. It doesn't. Dictionaries typically list words based on historical origin (i.e. when that definition is first attested). All those arguments about how unlikely it was that Joseph would use the 8th or 9th definition from the dictionary list are absolutely meaningless and have no value whatsoever.
@krismurphy7711Ай бұрын
Ed repeats over and over and over and over that Joseph Smith could not have written it.....BUT HE KNOWS THERE ARE ALTERNATE POSSIBILITIES WHICH HE REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE.....just poo pahs them
@BlaineHeggie2 ай бұрын
Amazing video. Very compelling. Of course the antis will still dismiss it.
@jake88822 ай бұрын
Concluded...dismiss
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
Not dismiss....debunk.
@godsoffspring41952 ай бұрын
I'd say it's both, Edwin. Both words from God and from Joseph Smith's head.
@douglasforster93002 ай бұрын
Hi Ed, I like what you’re doing but it appears to me that the unique words and their meanings would have to be at the time the book of Mormon Voice written on the gold plates if Joseph Smith has translated them from the plates
@bigguns1262 ай бұрын
What?
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@bigguns126. That the words used in “The Book of Mormon” existed at the time it was written, on “The Plates.” A lot of the words are “modern words” that came about during medieval times and LATER.
@zenif32 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711MAYBE new to the English language. Most (didn't check all) of them already existed in (as they come from) Latin.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@zenif3 And "reformed Egyptian" came from Latin too?
@zenif32 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 You're referring to the first (documented) usage of a word (not the concept of idea) in English. That does not mean it didn't exist in ancient languages, including reformed Egyptian.
@kevinwright85242 ай бұрын
Batman is mormon to. He works a regular full time job during the day. And at night he serves his community. His companion is robin.
@smaug30452 ай бұрын
So is Santa Clause and his Elves
@jake88822 ай бұрын
😂love it
@TO-Aloha2 ай бұрын
This guy is in portrayal here. Arrogance coupled with ignorance. The reasoning here lacks considerably.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
APPELLATION - "Word History First Known Use 15th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1. The first known use of appellation was in the 15th century See more words from the same century" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary ONLINE) 15th Century is a 1000 years AFTER "Moroni" died.
@CojcOlds652 ай бұрын
I don't think you get it. That's not what he's saying. There were probably many many words that weren't in use when Moroni was alive. If Joseph Smith translated it in 1829 by the power of God they would have been words in use then, no matter how obscure. Using the best word that fit the original author's (ancient prophets) intent. That's how translation works. The point, well made, is that uneducated Joseph (if he was fabricating it) wouldn't have known to even use these words. Sounds like prima facie evidence to me.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@CojcOlds65 You buy in too easily. And you need your hearing checked. Ed’s “case” is that Joseph could not have known these words or their meanings. I say that is proven wrong by the mere presence of the Dictionary that Es mentions.
@elderinisrael2 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711, you would be wrong to think Joseph Smith knew these words and all the definitions to each word. As Josephs own mother said that Joseph Smith was not known for reading, he spent his time in quiet contemplation.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@elderinisrael Quite frankly I don't trust ANYONE in Joseph's Family Circle.
@elderinisrael2 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 They are more reliable than any Anti.
@daviddrysdale88822 ай бұрын
It's interesting to note that, the word "Bible" is found in the Book of Mormon, and of course, that word wasn't coined until many hundreds of years later, so Joseph must have seen something like, the record of the Jews, the record of Israel or the old world, and knowing it was referring to the Bible, he called it the Bible!
@jamesbaldwin76762 ай бұрын
There are several types of "translation" methods within the English language. The first is called "literal" or "word for word" and was Not the method used in translating the Book of Mormon. The BofM was actually translated by the 8th method, known as "communicative". This is where the actual meaning of a word, within the contents of a sentence or paragraph, is the primary consideration and translated by the best possible word(s) to the recipient. Hence "the record of the Jews" becomes "the Bible", because that is what was meant. It's not any kind of translation error or mistake. It's just not a literal or word for word translation.
@fightingfortruth98062 ай бұрын
The word Bible literally means a collection of books. It is a great translation.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
All that kind of stuff, in "The Book of Mormon" WAS/IS in The Bible. Gee....I wonder where Joseph Smith could have come up with that???
@daviddrysdale88822 ай бұрын
@krismurphy7711 The Book of Mormon is a record of the ancient inhabitants of the Americas... It contains over 200 people, over 150 locations, systems of weights and measures... And it was translated in a single draft in about 60 days without any revisions before going to the printer in 1829
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@daviddrysdale8882 You have regurgitated The Church’s narrative perfectly. Congrats.
@daviddrysdale88822 ай бұрын
I suppose it's safe to say that in terms of inspiration, the Book of Mormon translation was two-fold... One, Joseph was inspired to translate from Reformed Egyptian to English! Two, the Lord enlightened his mind and inspired him to draw from and use a lexicon beyond that which he had!
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
Apparently he did not "translate"....he simply read the words that appeared on he Rock in his Hat.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@jeffhansen49962 ай бұрын
"Proving" that Joseph Smith didn't "write" the BOM doesn't prove that it is "true". lol.
@madogg1522 ай бұрын
Its amazing why so many disparage LDS. They don't realize they are a compass. Thanks Haters.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
Compass to???? Secret Handshakes? Secret Passwords? A New Name? Which shoulder to wear your robe on?
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
Truth is not hate. Truth is love. The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@madogg1522 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 Compass to TRUTH. There is NOTHING secret in the Church, what you mention is "SACRED" for the very reason of you Disparaging what you know little about. Only the LDS church is Bashed, hammered, Lied about etc. Why, simple what's the point of trying to destroy FAKES, Copy cats. You are a tool of other than Heavenly father. You hate and lies point to the truth. Satan doesn't Bash his Buddies.
@Lomochenko2 ай бұрын
Mormons hate the rest of the world but themselves.
@trzmdpath2 ай бұрын
The narrative of the Book of Mormon is way too complicated and convoluted for it to have been written by any human author. I tell any BOM skeptic to forget any criticism of it which they may have heard and just read the Book of Mormon. Then it is appropriate to pray to God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and ask Him if the Book of Mormon is true.
@RichardHolmes-ll8ii18 күн бұрын
The anti-Mormons have never been able to debunk the Book of Mormon. This is the reason they then turned their attention towards the Book of Abraham. Though however one by the name of Paul Gregersen debunked the arrogant Egyptologist opinions against Joseph Smith by presenting proper interpretation. Not a single anti-Mormon will admit to it though.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
INTERPOSITION - "Word History First Known Use 14th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1a. The first known use of interposition was in the 14th century" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary ONLINE)
@TheSandyStone2 ай бұрын
Edwin has more faith in the dictionary than he does in simple logic how people learn words. People learn words in context. Nearly half your words I found in three speeches of Swedenborg using the "definitions" that Jospeh "couldn't have known". And we know Jospeh read swednborg. My three year old learns words in context. Everyone does. He didn't have to look up the 5th, 8th, 10th definition of power or whatever. He learns it by its context. The premise of your whole logic is faulty. No one is blown away or impressed.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
AND… Ed doesn’t listen to what he says. The Dictionary he refers to was available and existed during the time “The Book of Mormon” was created. Ed proves the words were available to Joseph and The Others
@Lomochenko2 ай бұрын
Why would God use those words which no one knows the meaning of? That just doesn’t make sense. If you want people to understand what you are saying then speak simple clear and concise. Big words don’t help with anything.
@Lomochenko2 ай бұрын
Another thing if Joseph wasn’t capable of writing the book then how was Mormon, Moroni and all the authors of the book capable of knowing those words? God never claimed to write on those plates.
@jeffreyharris34402 ай бұрын
@@Lomochenko Nephi indicated in the first two verses of the first chapter of his first book that he was an educated man, taught in the language of his father (Hebrew) and also the language of the Egyptians. He was also initiated into the higher ordinances of his religion (this is what mysteries means before books like Sherlock Holmes). Mormon was a political leader, prophet, and general, beyond being a historian. This means that he was probably well educated. Also, Mormon was most likely compiling the speeches from his sources. Poor Moroni had years of solitude, and had probably only the records to keep him company. One can tell that Moroni's literary skills increased over time, as he probably ruminated in isolation, reading the records of his own people and the jaredites. He obviously got better as time went on.
@jeffreyharris34402 ай бұрын
Sometimes big words are more concise in explaining big topics than many small words. That is why The Book of Mormon is available for children, teens, adults and highly educated people who have already passed through the highest ordinances of the Gospel. The most important lessons of the Book of Mormon only come when it is taken seriously. That includes looking up the meanings of words that you may not know. Books that don't challenge you don't make you grow - and the whole point of the Book of Mormon is that it invites you to come to know Jesus Christ. Thinking that the Book and its meanings should all be simple to grasp, kinda misses the point. There is an LDS author by the name of David Butler who has given a series of fantastic interviews where he shows that while the Book can be understood at some basic levels, it was written by authors who make constant allusions to esoteric religious ceremonies. If you are unfamiliar with the ceremonies, you won't gain the full meaning. But please don't misunderstand. There is no intention to shut people out, but instead to lift people out of ignorance.
@jameswines65892 ай бұрын
@@LomochenkoMoroni became an angel, Wow Abraham Isaac and Jacob didn't become angels Moses God buried didn't become an angel only in Mormonism
@timmcclannahan83092 ай бұрын
The Book of Mormon IS THE WORD OF GOD.......................................
@krismurphy7711Ай бұрын
Word of King James Version God
@Mike-rt2vp2 ай бұрын
The background music didn't help
@JasonP3132 ай бұрын
I wanted this to be what you are claiming my friend (black and white proof) but it isn’t. The fact that those words existed in the dictionary of Joseph’s time means people used them and that Joseph had access to them. That doesn’t prove Joseph wrote the BofM, but it doesn’t prove he didn’t. I haven’t found that I can “proof” my way into belief I have to “faith” my way into it. (that’s just me speaking for myself though)
@bigguns1262 ай бұрын
I know the BOM is true but power and cast are not big words lol
@PrairieChristianOutreach2 ай бұрын
Correction, you think it is true. The more you travel in life the more you will realize what we don’t know.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@PrairieChristianOutreach Humans are SOOOOOOO emotional and easily manipulated. THAT is what The Church had its Narratives and omitted so much DIRTY LAUNDRY from those Narratives. NOT faith promoting.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@Lomochenko2 ай бұрын
You know nothing. You just claim you know something.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
Friend. That "testimony" test is not biblical. I don't disagree that you get a feeling just as Jehovah's witnesses and Muslims and Hindus. The terms set forth in Moroni 10:4 are manipulative and use circular reasoning. D&C Section 9:8-9 - tells us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" The BIBLE WARNS us against this SUBJECTIVE type of truth test. The LDS test for truth violates the Biblical test. Why? Because we have a sinful nature that can be DECEIVED. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL." The Biblical test begins first with PRIOR Scriptural revelation and to test all things by it (2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:12-2:3; 1 Thes. 5:19-21). 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world." The Bible repeatedly warns us about false teachers, false prophets, false Jesuses, false gospels and counterfeit Christianity (Matt 7:15, 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 Cor. 11:3-4, 13-15; Gal. 1:6-9). Scripture explicitly warns us against demonic spiritual deception (1 Tim. 4:1). "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Cor. 11:14 Even when Paul and Silas delivered the truths of the gospel to the people of Berea, the Bereans were commended for EXAMINING the Scriptures to validate the claims of the apostles. There are NO Biblical directives to pray for new revelation based on a warm feeling for verification. Would you pray about the validity of the Koran or about whether or not Muhammad is a true prophet? If no, why not? Are the Muslims not sincere? They pray 5 times per day. Don’t they feel good or right about their faith? I have sincerely prayed with real faith in Christ and He has shown me Mormonism is false! I don't ask that you believe me, believe the words of the Bible that Jesus affirmed. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.
@btulkas81992 ай бұрын
Ah the power of confirmation bias
@Free_Range_Hippo2 ай бұрын
This doesn’t “prove” anything. Even if I accepted your conclusion I would be embarrassed to use this evidence.
@larrypaxman31722 ай бұрын
If you are not a deep thinker this would probably go way over your head. I Injoyed this video and the proof that was presented is proof to me ,you would have to be educated and Joseph Smith was not
@tabandken85622 ай бұрын
You think it would be too jard for a child to have several books spread out including a dictionary to help him write a book? He wouldn't have to know hard words. Just skim through the dictionary and pick out words. I mean goodness, a kid wouldnt have to be a genius to do that. The fact that you have God dictating EXACT same KJV bible passages, including FULL chapters is enough. THEN you have JS also doing it with a seer stone, which goes again His commands. God wouldn't use exact KJV word for word text. HIS would be perfect and it wouldn't read the same. Are you an actual believer? If you are, you'd get some sense about you and get out. Otherwise you're not a real believer or interested in REAL Truth.
@krismurphy7711Ай бұрын
Agree. But... THIS is the Great Mystery.... Who really wrote it? How? I've read it and it is impressive for that time period. If ever proven to be Fiction it would be one of the greatest books ever written. If true...everything you mention begs the question "WHY?" Why create it in a way that causes so much debate/doubt.
@michaelmavity80082 ай бұрын
What? Pitifully little critical thinking here, the very first statement of fact is that the BOM either came forth from the mind of Joseph Smith or the mind of God, it’s rather easily proven that most of the BOM was plagiarized from other works readily available to Joseph Smith. Using your logic, sir, I am a best selling author because I was able to copy Stephen King’s works in two months. If you really are on fire, answer some of the questions asked in the CES letter.
@krismurphy7711Ай бұрын
FAITHFUL THINKING!!
@dl11302 ай бұрын
When I grew up, it was always oh ye of little faith and a sign a sign ye adulterous generation. Now, it's like we have to prove it's translated from gold plates to make it true. I think you're heading down a fruitless path. The rock in the hat translation is short, for there was no gold plate translation. The plates under cover were more than likely made of tin. Gold doesn't make the rustling sound like the witnesses described. Sorry, but members are better served to keep to spiritual faith and not physical to prove the BofM authenticity. Read the book and love those verses that make it true to you. Read the less altered 1830 version for a more pure sense of the BofM.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
Interesting point.
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@dl11302 ай бұрын
@brettpinion4233 I do not disagree with anything you have said. You have stated the truth. The BOM can also lead people to truth. This we can agree. Jesus Christ is the source of all truth.
@brannonburton54942 ай бұрын
Why dis God provide 11 witnesses if he didn’t want non spiritual evidence?
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@brannonburton5494 Almost all were either Smiths or Whitmers. 8 Witnesses statement was not signed, but a list of their names written by Oliver Cowdery.
@richarner38562 ай бұрын
Book of Mormon evidence is an oxymoron
@madogg1522 ай бұрын
I would like to disagree with you. However, that is impossible. The words are Interesting but not evidence, more like opinions, and Opinions STINK. However, the BoM has significant Scientific Backed evidence. Edwin or other honest researchers should do videos on the findings. Examples. Quatraines Chaismus Sidels Law Hebraisms Writing styles. All these types of writing were not discovered until the Mid 1950's This is evidence, because Science has confirmed these types of writing. Each book in the BoM has a different writing style. That means that each book was written by a different person. Writing styles are admissible in a court of law. Now, THAT IS EVIDENCE along with the listed Hebrew types of writing listed above. Of note: Writing styles are so definitive, they are considered to be equal in weight to Fingerprints in court because no two humans have the same writing style. I don't know if you are saying "oxymoron" because of the evidence claimed or because you are Anti. Either way, the evidence I presented, is Scientific.
@richarner38562 ай бұрын
@@madogg152 then submit it to scientists for unbiased peer review
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@madogg152 Did The Smith Family own a Bible? ALL THAT WAS IN THAT.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@madogg152 Were there learned men in the Smith Family HISTORY and Circle??? Yes. Reflect on ALL THE CONNECTIONS to Dartmouth College.
@madogg1522 ай бұрын
@@richarner3856 It has been submitted and verified an authentic by science and peer review. There are no arguments.
@shadwatson77302 ай бұрын
sorry brother, i was in hopes you were going to prove the book of mormon. sadly, this is not black and white proof. no scholar would consider this as black and white proof. this is your own personal arguement. not proof.
@fightingfortruth98062 ай бұрын
Scholar = Atheist who doesn't believe in any scripture whatsoever.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@fightingfortruth9806 We have proof and ACTUAL COPIES of The Books in "The Bible"? THAT is a huge start over "The Book of Mormon."
@brettpinion42332 ай бұрын
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: "He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If LDS is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
@Misa_Susaki2 ай бұрын
Oh, come on Shad. 200 years of radio silence, and you thought that this single video with under 2k views would have all of the answers you were looking for? I can't even believe that. Surely you didn't expect this video to prove anything.
@shadwatson77302 ай бұрын
@@Misa_Susaki you’re right, I already know that it’s impossible to prove unless angle Moroni decides to return the plates. 😂 But sometimes I like to humor myself to see what other people consider to be “black and white evidence”. Turns out it’s never black and white evidence.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
Ed, are you starting over? Is this an introduction to all of your previous word videos? Because if you have created this recently, it’s basically blah blah blah, blah“. And you were being horribly, intellectually, dishonest, as usual, and that you keep throwing out that it’s Joseph Smith wrote this by himself or it is of God, and there are only two possibilities. When you call additional alternatives or theories “strawmen” you’re basically just dismissing out of hand, while you demand a different standard for your “proof”.
@godsoffspring41952 ай бұрын
How was your holiday, Kris?? It was so quiet around here for a spell, we were wondering if you became a prodigal son. :>)
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 Lost interest in Ed’s “Blah blah blah”…but this episode was like Ed Reborn…and that he NEVER let any of the Truths & Facts presented to him in response to his claims sink into his skull.
@ClintHarper-p9b2 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 If you want to prove the BOM is wrong. Simply start posting scriptures in the BOM that are false, lies, Fake, Untrue. Edwin posts videos and presents evidence for what he believes. You only criticize him and criticize this claims/evidence. Why don't you present evidence of what you claim. Everything you have ever posted from Edwin's very first video on have been nothing more than empty words. PUT UP OR SHUT UP! To many here you're just an annoying little man. Edwin presents his evidence. You just have your claims and accusations. Where is you're evidence to validate what you claim? By simply reading the BOM with a sincere heart, with real intent, an honest person would come to the truth that the only way the BOM could have come into existence is the way Joseph Smith said it did. It's obvious you think you're really smart. Well Smart Boy, write one page of original scripture. Come on Smart Boy. Let's see what you got.
@ClintHarper-p9b2 ай бұрын
Just a short follow up. If Joseph Smith really did write the BOM as you and the other Millions and Millions and Billions and Billions of anti's out there claim. He should be worshipped as being the smartest man who ever lives. The scrutiny the BOM and the Church Joseph Smith organized has held up under for the past 200 years is unprecedented. To say nothing of the Million and Millions and Millions in the past. Still today people are reading the BOM, then bearing testimony they know it's true by the Gift and Power of God.
@krismurphy77112 ай бұрын
@@ClintHarper-p9b First off, “Antis” do not generally claim Joseph Smith wrote “The Book of Mormon.” Ed knows this…repeats it over and over and over and over, which is being Intellectually Dishonest. There is no specific proof of how it was created. I personally believe it was a “group effort.” JS had between 1820 and 1828 to create it…not just 57 days. That short timeline is HIS Narrative. “the Book of Mormon” has not stood up to scrutiny. There are approx 3 Dozen Anachronisms which “prove” it was fabricated. And as far as people’s “testimonies,” that is Human Emotion that is easily triggered. The book is impressive. But so is The Koran. And don’t forget, ALL The Books in “The Bible” were written by humans. They were created much like Joseph Smith’s book was probably done.
@jeffhansen49962 ай бұрын
You have to know all definitions of a word to use it? This is just silly.