Empire and Hari Seldon Discuss - Amazing Scene - Asimov’s Foundation

[@gaiusbaltar8915]

At this point, human history is just twelve thousand years of people not listening to Valery Legasov.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Yup 😒

[@MrAvidLearner]

Good comment. Not great, not terrible.

[@bearjuncture]

He’s in shock

[@TheChosen2030]

Judas

[@Sammy_82]

And Anderson Dawes

[@joshuacollins9346]

It's a rare actor that can be this intimidating and charismatic at the same time. Lee Pace is outstanding.

[@kookie_2178]

He just stand out from the rest I watched the series only for him lol.

[@MichaelBrown-rg8oi]

Ik he is gay in real life so I CAUTIOUSLY say no homo (because the dude would probably have powers over me if he tried) but GOD DAMN

[@MrImastinker]

And it takes an exceptional actor to hold his ground against him. That’s Jared Harris for you.

[@xhagast]

He lets you speak; he listens, he is even polite. He is unafraid, determined, he is doing his job. He is almost benevolent. You can tell he is going to have you hung but at least he is listening.

[@HierophanticRose]

Cleon the Day: "Why is that?" Hari Seldon: "Over admin capacity"

[@antman4671]

LMFAOOO Stellaris reference

[@danielmoore9580]

we all know that consumer goods is the real problem here

[@eduardomattosalves4940]

@@danielmoore9580 The solution is change welfare to stratifield economy! Ah, and make more slaves!

[@danielkeys8974]

@@danielmoore9580 I thought that was the Birthright Campaign Setting.

[@danielkeys8974]

Yes, that was an excellent line. Pity they forgot it. Well, maybe we'll learn next season that another major religion condemned the Empire while Brothers Day and Dusk were occupied ("spread too thin.")

[@calkelpdiver]

Nice reference to royal in-breeding via cloning. You create a new grape from the same vine, and put it into the same bottle.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Yes!

[@robertmartin9029]

It's less about in breeding than about indoctrination. Each clone is brought up to have the same thoughts and values as their predecessors. As a result, their "dynasty" has stagnated. It is failing to adapt to changes around the galaxy that are gradually making the empire irrelevant. As Seldon stated, first the outer areas, the areas with the weakest link to the empire, will start to chafe at being controlled by it. As they start to push back, the empire will decide that they are "not worth" the effort to control, and it will start to withdraw. This emboldens others closer in to do the same.

[@Musashination]

@@robertmartin9029 a reflection of the fall of the Roman Empire.

[@DrownedInExile]

If Empire is upset at Dr. Seldon now, wait till he finds out about the protomolecule sample he's hiding!

[@PrometheuzReturns]

LMAO i understood this reference

[@LuxAeterna22878]

"I am giving it to da belt."

[@skittles7306]

😂😂😂

[@DrownedInExile]

@@LuxAeterna22878 The Beltalowda.

[@MemoryUtilizer]

Dis is da earter en you

[@bird6472]

0:23 Dawn and Dusk move and are affected by Seldon, but Day isn't and is motionless. Remember this Day, the Dusk later in the series, is very anti-Seldon where the other two Cleons listen to his warnings. This is a rare moment the Cleons aren't moving in unison (not including the Dawn in the future timeline that we know is very different).

[@gafanhotogamer5993]

This Dawn, the time-skip Day, has been altered already

[@svyatoslavrurikovich8831]

@@gafanhotogamer5993 It is also implied that the Brother Day in this scene (Cleon XII, Brother Dusk in the latter half of the season) might have also been tampered with already. None of them were perfect clones of Cleon I.

[@mf5202]

Lee Pace, Jared Harris. They could be reading the Little Red Book and still be a must-see.

[@SapphireCrusader1988]

"You can't save yourselves, but you can save your legacy!" "Yours or mine, Doctor Seldon?" "Humanity's."

[@jonathonpolk3592]

Yeah, that's what I was hoping he would say in response. Or even "ours" would have sufficed. What a missed opportunity. Still, a great scene.

[@george-florinconstantin4141]

Lee Pace would make an awesome General Zod! What a mangnificent actor!

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Yes

[@TheMetaxes]

Emperor of Mankind or Lorgar

[@Musashination]

@@TheMetaxes Maybe the angel one.

[@TheMetaxes]

@@Musashination sanguinius

[@Haldinyar]

Too gentle

[@JaketheJust]

Remember that, “my science can predict society trends not individual ones,” this is foreshadowing the Mule. Like in the book, Sheldon’s psychohistory couldn’t predict the Mule.

[@00bean00]

But, he could control (make allowance) for it

[@KD--sj8eo]

Doesn’t really foreshadow it. That’s literally just the whole point of ‘psychohistory’!

[@JaketheJust]

@@00bean00 I did see one flaw in the series plot, if psychohistory cannot predict individual acts, how did Seldon know his individual death would guarantee the survival of the Foundation?

[@Lliamhd]

@@JaketheJust Maybe because the entire "history" at this point probably emcompasses trillions and trillions of individuals. That is what he cannot predict individually. But his Foundation is small, limited to...I'm not sure, dozens or hundreds? That is much easier to predict. Just my guess.

[@DrownedInExile]

The Mule was a pretty far-fetched notion, for a book grounded in hard-science. I do like how it was executed though. The Mule used his far-fetched psi-powers to turn people into sycophants. But those sycophants couldn't help him defeat the Second Foundation. That was the Mule's downfall.

[@IndigoDaisey]

Love on Dusk's face when Seldon says "the same old bottle".

[@Haldinyar]

It’s communism trying to be clever, neglecting it was a nearly incident free 400 year old bottle.

[@fullsendcirca9255]

It could have been better if they used some of the Seldons quotes during the tribunals to really bring it all home

[@aperson22222]

The last scene in the whole show that actually had anything to do with psychohistory.

[@sammaks]

Yup

[@aperson22222]

@@sammaks Rewatching this after knowing how the rest of the show went makes me sad. This shows what we could have had: a show that deviated from the particulars of the source material, in service of a compelling story about the imperial clones; but one that was still faithful to, or at least respectful toward, the books.

[@jameshetherington1]

@@aperson22222 Honestly, I applaud the Cleon storyline, had me hooked and I personally think its a fine adition to the story. It really shows the stagnation of the empire and its inevitable destruction whilst offering plenty of room going forward. When you have future Day trying to control events by wiping out the footprint of his enemies and trying to placate the Luminism religion it shows how impotent even a driven, capable and powerful individual can be against the tide of time. Honestly (and spoilers here) but if they continued with a Cleon existing after the fall actually being the Mule because of the mutation problem I'd be ok with it as narratively it would tie together the personal animosity between Empire and Hari Seldon with the concept in the books. The issue with the show is they have taken the most interesting parts of the source material just eroded it into something less interesting and less believable - for example Salvor Harding and the Foundation beat Anacreon in the books through wit and sociology, not chance - but it feels like someone somewhere is forgetting that Foundation's success is not tied to an individual pulling off a lucky heroic gambit but in sociological outcomes that were unexpected though on reflection inevitable. Some of that will be unpopular with a lot of people but thats just how I feel about it

[@aperson22222]

@@jameshetherington1 I’m not sure that’s an unpopular position at all. Nearly everyone I’ve heard has said that the imperial storylines were the best part, if not the only good part. Given that it’s the storyline that is the farthest from the source material-it borrows nothing more than a few character and place names-whereas the parts of the story that bear a superficially passing resemblance to Foundation are widely panned by both Asimov readers and non-readers alike, I wish they’d just made an original sci fi story about the emperors. They still could have worked in psychohistory and a Seldonesque figure in the pilot, but after that just go their own way. They’ve got a good original idea but clearly no clue what to do with anything Asimov wrote.

[@PracticingPessimist]

@@aperson22222 How about now after season 2?

[@StuartLloyd]

2:58 Yours. He literally said "your legacy". Listen.

[@00bean00]

Hello, writers

[@john6203]

Pace and Harris the two best things in this show.

[@xhagast]

Everything else is cringe trash. Or trash that makes me cringe.

[@mespaillat921]

Loving this show

[@jaftem2x]

The cinematography in these scenes are so so so good.

[@xhagast]

This was a very good episode. They stuck to the source material. In this episode.

[@HierophanticRose]

Sarcastic or?

[@xhagast]

@@HierophanticRose Critical. The further they get from the source material the worse the series gets.

[@HierophanticRose]

@@xhagast I mean whole thing is fabricated, there is no Imperial Cloning doesnt exist. Emperor in the books Hari is talking to is from Entun dynasty if I am not misremembering, and the real reason of the downfall of empire is a complex relationship of court backstabbings, military interregnums, and inefficient subsequent emperors. This whole concept is made for the show.

[@xhagast]

@@HierophanticRose Yes, but the trial, their arrest, their argument, the encyclopedia, Terminus. It is from the book. The rest is filler. Future episodes barely have recognizable names.

[@panagiotispapadopoulos2594]

@@xhagast Well in that case, sticking to the source material (barely) once or twice doesn't mean much, does it? I find this show to be unwatchable for someone who just wanted to see a remotely faithful adaptation of the books. Such a shame... though granted the books always seemed unadaptable to me. Had hope because of Dune though, guess it was too much to ask for two sci fi greats to be adapted faithfully.

[@BlazingImp77151]

I just figured out the plot of tomorrow's episode. maybe. we just had the religion event. we haven't had the homegrown insurrection on trantor. coincidence?

[@BBanzaj]

go back to episode 6, the insurection on trantor is the worker revolt in the sinks.

[@npcknuckles5887]

Seldon: You're overextended. Day: Overextension is just a number!

[@markjmaxwell9819]

One of the things l love about the Foundation saga is besides the hidden robots a human works out what's going on before the fall. The spacer technology and the stagnation that happens to them leads into the Foundation saga beautifully. Human inventiveness and love of exploration still thrives and helps us find a way into a brighter future. Loved reading Isaac's books. 😎👍

[@XiangYu94]

0:27 - *me complaining to my boss before Black Friday hits the store*

[@DrownedInExile]

2:15 "What is an Empire? A miserable little pile of secrets!"

[@annaflorence9670]

There are other transpositions really bad of books compared to this one and for me it is not so bad , seen from the beginning to the end of course it is totally different from the original Foundation story but I think that the Apple series has a little encouraged to know. more of the history of Isaac Asimov's books

[@dkoz8321]

I recall see an ancient holovid from mythical home of humans. In it a senior officer in one humanity's water navies , by name of Mark or Marko Ramius, states "A Little revolution , now and then, is a healthy thing.."

[@snapfinger1]

Now if they only film Weapon Shops of Isher & don’t meddle with the characters like this before I die, I’ll die happy.

[@jeronimo196]

1:01 - The exact moment this series died, on retrospect. Here we see the black Ray Palpatine of STEM lying about math on behalf of Hari Seldon, to the emperors. How she had high enough bluff to fool the emperors is like asking how is it possible for the best mathematician to be born on Space Wakanda, given that Space Wakandans have been killing mathematicians for generations. Only a racist could ask such a question. The scene where Hari Seldon nods approvingly, while the lie is revealed to him is the last straw - but this is where it was over.

[@JohnG44]

Man people are such snowflakes now a day cry about anything 😂.

[@markjmaxwell9819]

This reminds me of many empires in history the British empire being one of the more recent ones. 😎

[@axonis2306]

This show is a great argument to read books. Surely, even a pebble can imagine a better scene while reading Asimov's Foundation. Also, no crtical sex theory.

[@amichaelthomas83]

I think Hari did know who took down the star bridge .. and Demerzel was ultimately responsible... zeroth law power play.

[@redcoltken]

I agree!

[@AlyssMa7rin]

Demerzel cannot do anything to harm the Cleon Bloodline, so I don't see her as responsible for destroying the Star Bridge, especially since it: A: Is a direct threat to the Cleons B: Is an indirect threat though the societal repercussions C: Would be ultimately harmful to everyone involved, and she is shown to be ruthless, but not without a conscience.

[@Tetrad20]

@@AlyssMa7rin The laws are also a priority list, the zeroth law (A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.) takes priority. But humanity is a vague term, so is "EMPIRE". So she can disobey "EMPIRE" or harm a person to save "HUMANITY"

[@LiquidSnake1988]

Since dune 2021, all related stuff keeps popping up like this. So I get to know about Hugo's award leds me to this including lord of the rings. I only know some from dune that it doesn't have AI but a futuristic movie. Lord of the rings are fantasy with no AI as well. What can you tell me about foundation.

[@rictusmetallicus]

Read the books

[@arthuroliveirasouza4714]

@@rictusmetallicus The show of foundation it´s the same thing of Hulu´s Handmaid tale. Both are adaptation based in famous fiction books, both with much more differents storylines, characters and concepts. And this is not bad, with Handmaid winning many emmys. Both are great series in own way.

[@rovelt3802]

Love this series

[@leesnotbritish5386]

I had such hope for it at this point...

[@irishchancer2687]

Powerful total escapism this scene

[@lamario295]

How did one man cloning himself, repeatedly, stop a galactic war?

[@locarno24]

It was a succession war. By Cleon removing any competing individual with any claim to the throne and establishing a 'conveyor belt' of likeminded rulers, in theory you prevent dynastic squabbles. In theory. It's worth noting that 400 years isn't THAT impressive in the sweep of human history, with several dozen royal houses managing that long.

[@dannyn.6933]

​@@locarno24 Fun fact, the current Emperor of Japan stems from a hereditary line that has ruled Japan for almost 2700 years.

[@locarno24]

@@dannyn.6933 the Yamato is the longest lived Royal line but there's been at least ten dynasties in various countries (india, georgia and korea to start with) that lasted a millennium or more (over double the length of the Imperial dynasty in Foundation)

[@mrsupremegascon]

​@@locarno24 Capetian dynasty in France, uninterrupted from 987 to 1792.

[@robeartaniwha7674]

Moriarty in Sherlock Holmes. He Jared Harris was one I invisioned that could be Harry Seldon the other was John Hurt.

[@00bean00]

How about hide the pain Harold?

[@helloharr0w242]

Man, that opening dialog missed a fabulous retort. Seldon asks, "should I speak first, or will you?" Empire replies, "By all means, Seldon: speak," but instead of "speak" he should've said "continue."

[@Mopark25]

Clever!

[@piotrwitkowski9431]

Okay. I've read Asimov's Foundation books and I don't remember *any* of that. What the heck?

[@EgyptologyLessons]

They just chose to create their own story line, but within the empires 10000 year history. They must have found the ruling leaders in the book boring, and made something up and slapped Hari Seldon in there.

[@Musashination]

There isn't a genetic dynasty. Only the emperor and a army of bureaucrats. The show failed to show how intricate, bureaucratic and Kafkanian Trentor is. Instead, they invented a friction between Seldon (Jared Harris) and Raych (Alfred Enoch). That alone made me give up on the show for cheap writing.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

@@Musashination Yeah I watched till the sixth episode and I realize it’s just a colossal fail… For shame on the creators of the show for deviating from the book completely. Just another Mandalorian TV show.

[@Musashination]

@@EgyptologyLessons sixth episode?! You were brave my friend.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

@@Musashination it was horrible! 😭😭😭

[@xzen667]

Seldon in this show is nothing like the books. Such a good actor and character ruined by bad writing by the show writiers.

[@mawinstallation6626]

At this point this show only has the name "Foundation" and the character's names, aside from that the plot is brutally different. For real!

[@Archonsx]

tbh, the show has nothing going for it, other than beautiful cgi, the books are a better choice

[@JemHadar422]

@@Archonsx it’s people like you two that get great works cancelled. The book is the book and the show is the show. No show will ever be a carbon copy of the book. Thank God HBO never yielded to you book devoutest or we would have nothing new to watch.

[@bandito1beard]

@@JemHadar422 Yeah but for people who actually read the books and hoped to see a physical manifestation of them...then this is a disappointment

[@JemHadar422]

@@bandito1beard I read the books and I’m not disappointed because I understand that the show runners are also artist and it will be there interpretation of the book.

[@Michaentus]

@@JemHadar422 Just give it a new name if you are gonna change so much, using the name is almost false advertisement

[@_Skim_Beeble]

This TV show isn't Isaac Asimov's Foundation, it's Apple TV's version and far from even similar to the book.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

That’s the world of producers know best!

[@hr1100]

And it's great. The books are not a film material, so adaptation must be made in place.

[@AlyssMa7rin]

It's a surprisingly good adaptation, having read the first book, I found that the showrunners had at least a moderate understanding of Asiimov's work, even as they took liberties to adapt it to the small screen.

[@DrownedInExile]

Yes and? A visual medium can never ever be exactly the same as a written one. Get over it.

[@DeadmanRedux]

​@@DrownedInExile You're wrong

[@Aditya-f8t5z]

Thank u to the Jewish people for making sure civilization has laws and we all managed to not use violence to seek solutions..... When we leave violence to seek solutions....there comes a possibility to see that the pain is within....not without..... Thank u to the Jewish people.......🙏

[@matthewforbes2969]

Dr Hari seldon, you stand accused…..

[@KENOMAN1969]

What movie is this? It's not labeled.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Apple TV called Foundation. Based on Isaac Asimov's books.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Apple TV called Foundation. Based on Isaac Asimov's books.

[@aeristheblack3725]

@@EgyptologyLessons it is not so much based on asimov's book, it is a different thing, only someone stollen the names.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

@@aeristheblack3725 And minor characters that were in there for like maybe two chapters are turned into full on main characters

[@adrianturner7308]

What movie is this?

[@kurenwirsun2478]

It's a new series on Apple TV called Foundation. Based on Isaac Asimov's books.

[@adrianturner7308]

@@kurenwirsun2478 Thanks, sadly I won't be able to see it as 1. I don't own an Apple TV, and 2. My cable company does not carry it.

[@george-florinconstantin4141]

@@adrianturner7308 , there is a torrent of alternate sources...

[@rasheeqahmed1208]

@@george-florinconstantin4141 nicely done 👏👏👏😄

[@tomeisenmenger7048]

@@adrianturner7308 Wait until the season ends, subscribe for $5 for one month, binge it. It's worth it.

[@r.g.o3879]

First off I love Azimovs works. I've been reading them for over 50 years. The Foundation Trilogy has always been one of my favorite series. To be clear I am a 62 year old white man, army veteran with a BA in History. I am not particularly racist or sexist. I have no problem with reading a book with primarily female characters or movies with black characters. My mother and father were from Puerto Rico so I can qualify as being a minority, though I grew up with a very standard white American family and cultural situation. That said I am fluent in Spanish, spent 7 years in Puerto Rico and know all the musical, cultural, culinary taste of that part of my heritage. Now as I be said I have no problem with female or black characters in books or films, what I don't like is this trend to change characters from classic books, films, comics etc from white males to either female or black. If a director wants to remake say Colonel Nick Fury Agent of Shield, then the actor cast to play him in a film should be played by a white man as he was originally written by Stan Lee and drawn by Jack Kirby. That is just being respectful to the characters fans and creators for over 50 years now. I love Samuel Jackson as an actor and in the Avenger movies he does a great job as he always does but I can't accept him as Nick Fury. Call him Major Fred Fury Nicks black step brother. Or better yet make a brand new character to be head of Shield, don't insult the fans who have followed a character for decades and just rewrite history to suit a particular social agenda. The same with Captain Mar-Vell of the Kree. He was a man, a great hero and should have been left alone. Again just make up a new female character and use a little imagination not try to erase decades of existence. The new Dune movie has had a pleathora of such revisions, and now the Wheel of Time that I spent decades reading over 18 books. I know what certain characters should look like. This is not being racist or sexist but it's the same as if one day a new movie comes out showing George Washington as a black woman! You have to respect works of fiction and film the same as any historical figure. I know there are good writers out there who can create new, good, female or minority characters, it's just wrong to attack white males by rewriting us out of existence. There is nothing wrong with being a white male and being proud of that. As any other people there have been good black and female people and bad. No race or sex is superior to any other. Gay people have been around since the dawn of time, there is no need to pretend they don't exist. We are all parts of this same world and all of us deserve the same respect, even fictional characters! One of the first such rewrites was when a thirty year old Jewish man suddenly became a fair skinned, blonde haired blue eyed Caucasian named Jesus. I will be happily amazed when I finally see paintings, statues and sculptures showing a middle eastern Jesus and not a fantasy of northern Europeans. It's the same thing as what is going on today. Maybe the world will be a little better place when some people don't feel the need to attack and erase a group of people out because you have some resentment. Excuses about creative lisence don't hold when you are not the creator of a certain character. If you want more female or minority characters then just create them!

[@SM-os6wq]

It’s a financial decision. Same reason you see more Hispanic and Asian characters now, it’s to appeal to international audiences and diverse home grown audiences. It’s a good change.

[@DavidReynoldsGier]

you utter fake of a fan. Nick Fury in Ultimate Marvel is a black man! AND Nick Fury Jr. in the 616 continuity (that's the main one you claim to follow so religiously) is also a mixed-race black man, Nick Fury's son.

[@SM-os6wq]

@@DavidReynoldsGier No wait, you may prick his little bubble here. In all that prose and he could not disguise his outdated view points. Nevermind that for year we have been whitewashing Hollywood. Not that I care, if an actor is good, that’s all that matters to me.

[@blockmasterscott]

I agree 100%. I hate rewritten characters. I would never expect Blade or Ripley from Alien to be white males, that would just be stupid. Same with converting white male characters to whatever. Tuvok from Star Trek Voyager is an excellent example of how a non white character should be done. Black male as an ORIGINAL character, not a remake of Spock. Janeway, the first female captain as the lead in a Star trek show, was an original character, that is cool. But this rewriting original characters really bothers me.

[@piotrwitkowski9431]

Hmmmm. One point: the "new" Captain Marvel isn't new at all. Carol Danvers was part of the "Captain Marvel" series from the beginning and she's had Mar-Vell's powers since 1970s. And, while Mar-Vell died in the 1980s, Carol remained an active hero all the time as Ms. Marvel / Binary / Warbird. So, making her Captain Marvel now just cements the position she's held for years...

[@thomasciarlariello3228]

Asimov 1942 .

[@PhilosoFeed]

What the fuck are they on about genetic cloning? That wasn't in the book.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Welcome to the world of producers know better!

[@nikw3026]

Why isn't Hari Seldon an Indian guy?

[@anthonycunningham8116]

Because he doesn't have to be?

[@nikw3026]

@@anthonycunningham8116 in the book he is asshat Black people complain when characters are whitewashed This character was blackwashed

[@ronin3381]

@@nikw3026 You’re not making any sense.

[@nikw3026]

@@ronin3381 are you slow? In the book hes Indian the name Hari Seldon is a northern Indian name More western bullshit

[@ronin3381]

@@nikw3026 As far as I know, Asimov never stated the ethnicities of any of his characters, but all the images I could find online seem to depict Seldon as a white man. Not that it really matters, of course. The acting abilities of the cast and the quality of the story are what’s important, not the ethnicity of the actors.

[@MrSomethingdark]

yes yes societal collapse, the Central commitee didn't listen, boron on the core, the second archive, yes yes black woman in the cast instead of the original character, comrade, this is not feasible

[@Beanie-Sandals]

Why does the new 2042 theme remind me more of Rick and Morty than the actual Battlefield theme?

[@duckdialectics8810]

I was so disappointed in this TV show, apparently they are so confident they will have 20 seasons that they started out by making up entire plot lines not found in the book...

[@arthuroliveirasouza4714]

The show of foundation it´s the same thing of Hulu´s Handmaid tale. Both are adaptation based in famous fiction books, both with much more differents storylines, characters and concepts. And this is not bad, with Handmaid winning many emmys. Both are great series in own way.

[@blakjjags0697]

My name is actually Harry Seldon, I hate this so much

[@00bean00]

Citation needed

[@blakjjags0697]

@@00bean00 what do you want my birth certificate?

[@indisummers4385]

Terrible lightiiiiingggg

[@MarkSmith-zg5hq]

It should just be called "FounDUNEtion" and get it over with. No relation to the books, but then the movie "Planet of the Apes" was nothing like the book either.

[@Iautocorrect]

This is in the dune universe??

[@petchlnwzaaa]

@@Iautocorrect No, this is based from the book called Foundation by Isaac Asimov

[@hariseldon3786]

I told him and I told him and even now I tell them - but Trump has been re-elected so we have bought some time...

[@artytomparis]

This is terrible. Pathetic. Completely out of context. The books are vastly more relevant and cohesive.

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

race swapped characters kek

[@joefortey4]

Just say you hate black people, we all know you do.

[@guotyr2502]

@@joefortey4 oh fu ck off , if they ever dared do this to a canonically black character you'd scream as if trump has been elected again , but somehow it's fine if it happens for EVERY noteworthy film adaptation in the last decade, and we're bad for pointing it out, lmfao

[@joefortey4]

@@guotyr2502 oh look the conservative is crying again. I don't give a f*ck if they cast a black woman as the queen. Get a grip you absolute helmet.

[@guotyr2502]

@@joefortey4 Everything you stand for is trash , and you'll have to live with it until you realize that afterall all this woke bs won't makeup for a good movie and the fall of so many franchises proves it

[@joefortey4]

@@guotyr2502 I don't know, reading your online tantrum is pretty entertaining.

[@Napalmdog]

Man, one minute of this and I can say not like the books at all and not worth the time. Seldon was dispassionate as psychohistory is. Read the books, skip this bad drama.

[@LukaDzegvelishvili]

I wish that show wasn't a trash :)

[@sammaks]

Sadly it got worse, I lasted to episode 6

[@arthuroliveirasouza4714]

The show of foundation it´s the same thing of Hulu´s Handmaid tale. Both are adaptation based in famous fiction books, both with much more differents storylines, characters and concepts. And this is not bad, with Handmaid winning many emmys. Both are great series in own way.

[@arthuroliveirasouza4714]

@@sammaks The show of foundation it´s the same thing of Hulu´s Handmaid tale. Both are adaptation based in famous fiction books, both with much more differents storylines, characters and concepts. And this is not bad, with Handmaid winning many emmys. Both are great series in own way.

[@LukaDzegvelishvili]

@@arthuroliveirasouza4714 so what? It is still a crappy tv show, which bastardizes whole idea behind the foundation, if I am going to see another god damn sex scene, I am going to puke.

[@juliomentor9219]

Woke,

[@joefortey4]

Poke

[@arthuroliveirasouza4714]

The first book almost don´t have women, so it´s acceptable some gender swaps, dumb dumb.

[@mawinstallation6626]

@@arthuroliveirasouza4714 Yeah, I have no problem with that, as long as they fill in the same roles. But the thing is that they can't! The plot has been warped to a point it is unrecognizable...not trying to hate on this show but it can't be considered an adaptation, it's a whole 'nother story

[@IndigoDaisey]

@@mawinstallation6626 Aren't the books mostly conversational with little action. That won't work visually.

[@arthuroliveirasouza4714]

@@mawinstallation6626 The show of foundation it´s the same thing of Hulu´s Handmaid tale. Both are adaptation based in famous fiction books, both with much more differents storylines, characters and concepts. And this is not bad, with Handmaid winning many emmys. Both are great series in own way.

[@aeristheblack3725]

This adaptation is an insult to Asimov Work

[@EgyptologyLessons]

💯

[@arthuroliveirasouza4714]

Honest question: You liked if they adapted foundation in literal form ? Because even asimov agreed that foundation saga don´t work as a literal adaptation.So many changes are necessaries in any live action adaptation of foundation, like new concepts , characters and new stories.

[@aeristheblack3725]

@@arthuroliveirasouza4714 this is not an adaptation, this is a rewriting, an adaptation is when you keep the sense of the story not when you turn Salvor Harding in a fuking female terminator when in books the character philosophy is " the violence is the last refugee of the incompetent "

[@xy11xy]

His own daughter is executive producing.

[@aeristheblack3725]

@@xy11xy she did not wrote it, art is not a genetic thing and be his daughter means nothing, who wrote this serie is doing worst that with GOT

[@jhonsmith7991]

Idk, so far this whole series is a big dud of wokens. Stopped watching after first 4 episodes.

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Yup

[@DrownedInExile]

/Eyeroll

[@arcadealchemist]

i am assuming this series sucked cos i couldn't watch past 15 mins

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Like many shows it’s pandering to many party groups

[@IndigoDaisey]

Or, you have a short attention span.

[@00bean00]

@@IndigoDaisey ooh, yeah, ad hominem to the rescue!

[@DrownedInExile]

Your loss.