Empire of the Dawn: Ancient Mystery of ASOIAF

This videos covers the unsolved mystery of the Great Empire of the Dawn, a mythical empire in Essos said to have existed in the earliest days of ASOIAF lore. If they existed, they may have been pre-Valyrians, and may have even appeared in one of Daenerys Targaryen's dreams. They also have potential connections to Asshai, the Hightowers of Oldtown, the Daynes of Starfall, and even Euron Greyjoy. The empire was not mentioned in Game of Thrones, nor is it likely to be mentioned in TWOW or other future A Song of Ice and Fire books, but it intrigues me anyway. Tinfoil ahead...
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Timestamps:
0:00 Great Empire Legend
2:11 Black Stone
4:23 Legacy in Dany
6:53 Dayne / Dawn / Hightower
10:15 Fantasy Archeology
12:58 Asshai
14:59 Long Night
20:28 Last Words
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[@danieldeclue1466]

The great empires of the Dawn most definitely are the ancestors of the valyrians. I personally believe that the valyrians as a whole are most likely descended from the amethyst Empress herself, being that true targaryens always have amethyst like eyes. I think it's quite possible that the Danes most likely are descended from a specific ruler of the great Empire as well. Most likely the high Towers too. I believe that it's just the descendants of the amethyst Empress who were able to retain at least a portion of the information that was lost in the first long night, like Dragon riding. This would definitely explain why Danny had a dream about the rulers of the empire, and how they were all guiding her towards waking the dragon, something that they all seem to know about, regardless of whether or not she's just dreaming. And since George loves the concept of history repeating itself, we are heading into a second long night, with the modern equivalent of the Bloodstone Emperor being most likely responsible. It's most likely euron Crow's eye who's going to fill this role

[@TheSharpboy]

I agree Martin loves ancient empires that are preceded by another ancient empires. He did it in Elden Ring, too.

[@danieldeclue1466]

@@TheSharpboy I agree, I really like how George tells you about something unbelievable that happened in the past, and by the time it gets explained, you can see very clearly that it was the most far-fetched parts of the story that had a grain of Truth to them, in-universe I mean. Holds true with our history as well. Noah's Ark in the great flood seems ridiculous, until you look at other cultures and realize that nearly all of them have a flood myth, and the flood myth connect right back to the splitting of Pangea. George makes the history of Game of Thrones feel very realistic in that respect, despite all the magic and dragons and stuff

[@molleh3180]

Yes, I believe George is implying all of this!

[@nicolas.p331]

It's possible that the Hightower was an outpost for the great empire of the Dawn, like dragonstone was for the valyrians. If this is true then it means they crossed the sunset sea.

[@CrusaderChris]

I bet several people have crossed the sunset sea and it’s just that none of our POV characters or the maesters know about it. Unless there’s some type of supernatural threat which impedes travel, it must have happened. I used to think Dany would use the Sunset Sea to arrive in Westeros, but it seems her story is taking her further west (Volantis, Pentos).

[@Isuream6331]

Or rather, it’s possible that the east of Essos is CONNECTED to the north of Westeros. Think about it. The Five Forts block a frozen wasteland, never mapped. The Wall blocks a frozen wasteland, never mapped. Both claim to be the epicentre of the long night. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[@tranchmaster]

My guess is that by going west into the Sunset Sea, you would end up somewhere east of Essos, therefore it might indeed be an outpost of the Empire of the Dawn

[@lucasbelmonte2832]

@@Isuream6331 Na George has confirmed that Essos and Westeros do not touch

[@Isuream6331]

@@lucasbelmonte2832 Crap. Maybe they don’t connect, but both go up to the same pole? I don’t know why the Five Forts and Grey Waste exist then if they aren’t related to the Others

[@cthulu8mytoast]

The mythical long rulers, reminds me of the Sumerian King's List that mention rulers that held power for thousands of years. Before the Great Flood.

[@Oximb]

Most likely a nod to the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors from ancient China who were a group of mythological rulers and sages who ruled for thousands of years, one of them was call the Yellow Emperor.

[@GrimFaceHunter]

Might be a metaphor for some dynasties. In our world it might be exaggerated timespans of dynastic successions of a few centuries, in asoiaf those successions may be 5-10 times that. Each emperor's rule being shorter than the previous ones is a real modern fenomena that came with the lengthening of lifespans. Those emperors inherited the throne when they were in their old age and didn't have much time left.

[@michaelsilver253]

After years of watching LML's crunchy stuff, hearing someone compare the kings in the hall in Dany's dream to the ancient emperors and say it probably means nothing just sounds goddamn insane lol

[@CrusaderChris]

LML’s stuff is better than mine will ever be. We’re not likely to find out if his theories are true, unfortunately. In my videos I like to present other people’s theories objectively; so I’ll let LML try to convince folks with his amazing analysis. My aim is to just present lots of different possibilities, and not necessarily subscribe to one belief. That being said, Roose Bolton is a skin-stealing immortal 👍

[@pamelaguerra3768]

Who's LML?

[@michaelsilver253]

@pamelaguerra3768 big ASOIAF lore KZbinr. His channel is now called David Lightbringer but it used to be Lucifer Means Lightbringer, usually shortened to LML. His stuff is dooooope but it does go very hard on symbolism and wordplay which gets to be a bit much at times

[@andriusas90]

to be honest i saw a video on youtube in which a guy completely destroys the entire great empire of the dawn theory and he explains away dany's vision as something george added because it sounds cool and brought out the fact the colors used are literally what george said the best fantasy is made of like no joke george in the interview say's the best fantasy is made of colors and literally verbatum names the same colors as the eyes seen in dany's visions

[@CrusaderChris]

Yes this is true. I touched on this in the video for a second, but using a large variety of colors (including gemstones) is a common GRRM trope. GEOTD theories are really fun to think about, but realistically they’re all pretty tinfoil and unlikely to come up in future books.

[@nickkangtaylorb]

Superb, balanced approach. Yes I think GRRM is super intentional with all this and chooses his words very carefully.

[@CrusaderChris]

Thanks for the kind feedback!

[@Callisto_Arcas]

I think the theory of the Others coming for Euron, as they possibly were sent for the Bloodstone Emperor, is my favorite theory I've heard so far. I love your channel because you have the most fascinating theories. Can't wait for your next video!

[@thalmoragent9344]

Wild to think that the Hightowers, mayhpas the Daynes and other known houses may have been "Dragonlords" or some sort of Pre-Valyrian race/ancestors from the Great Empire of the Dawn. All that stuff, leading up to the Bloodstone Emperor and First Long Night is something I hope another "World of Ice and Fire" book may one day go over in exquisite detail The idea that mayhaps Valyrians are the people who were under the "Amythest" Empress' rule, hence purple eyes. Mayhaps a great ritual is formed for each dynasty change, so all inhabitants of their ethnic group eventually is born with the eye color of their ruling dynasty Mayhaps the gem colors followed families, so mayhaps the Pearl Emperor was actually multiple individuals of "House Pearl" if you will. Sure they're maybe all related but once a new heir is needed and isnt of that dynasty, they chose a cousin of their House to go on. Damy had a dream of silver-haired peoples with different colored, fancy eyes. Makes a lot of sense they're like Valyrians, or related to them rather. Maybe thats why some Valyrians, like House Velaryon, has fancy blue eyes, maybe they have some blood trailing back to a previous Dynasty's rule, one with special blue eyes. Alyssa Targaryen had a green eye, and while its the only case of such a thing, could be long lost "Emerald Emperor/Dynasty" genes still kicking in a rare moment. Also makes sense as to why Valyrian Steel and Fused Blackstone is similar to the Steel "Dawn" is made of, ans the Oily Black Stone around places as well. Similar concepts, slightly different methods used, but for the same purpose.

[@adaradavina7450]

Maybe if Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna that explains his dark eyes maybe its onyx

[@daniell1483]

Not enough people talk about the Great Empire of the Dawn. Very succinct analysis of the current theory on the role the GEOD played in the history of Planetos.

[@legofan1231]

Finally a deep in-depth video explaining the Great Empire of the dawn! Thank you!!

[@elledunn7206]

I love your channel! Thank you for all the GoT lore goodness. ❤

[@aadhavsanthaseelan6021]

So technically , Three Eyed Raven and Bran can see all of this , from beginning to end. What a delight that would be.

[@davidtonner5493]

Another banger video Chris 🙏🏻🤙🏻

[@alt-monarchist]

Yi Ti inherited some of the lands of the Empire of the Dawn, but they are not direct descendants of that Empire. They were simply subjects to the Empire of the Dawn. When the Empire fell they took advantage and simply took over. Just like the Romans who were not descendants of the Etruscans, but once they disappeared the Romans took over the vacant lands.

[@jeambeam3173]

The Romans destroyed the Etruscans so that's a bad comparison. Better would be how the Romans ruled Egypt became it's one very different thing having little to do with Rome

[@alt-monarchist]

@@jeambeam3173 Romans took over the vacant power vacuum.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Love the vids man keep up the goodwork 👍

[@celladoor_uk]

This is incredible AWOIAF content. Bravo, sir! 🖤

[@Josh-hv2ze]

“Again it’s like it’s poetry they rhyme” haha I’ll never not laugh at this George Lucas moment

[@DragonRebornn]

Awesome video my guy.

[@justdirt]

I think George wanted to write about someone going to Asshai, but how he would achieve that never really developed. Besides Dany, no pov character could possibly reach Asshai and come back and still have enough story to finish their narrative. But Mel lived there. Mel as a pov character was impromptu so Jon's death would have a pov character around after it, but it also means that flashbacks to Asshai are almost guaranteed. I doubt Mel will get a ton of chapters, but I can still hope

[@andersfrieden567]

It boggles my mind that George left hints for future plotline in such a mysterious and unique place as Asshai, but then abandoned it and lead Dany to useless Myreen knot, which will ultimately play very little into the ending of her story.

[@justdirt]

@andersfrieden567 The choice was better for Dany's character. Her choosing to trust another witch and go to the furthest point from her goal possible would have been bad writing. As cool as it would've been, I'm happy George decided to let Dany become a great character instead of her sight seeing

[@andersfrieden567]

@@justdirt not saying she should've trusted the witch, there could have been ways to write it better into the story. I just think the Asshai plot could have been more interesting and important for the story, if George decided to explore that option.

[@chrism8216]

Great work

[@WhoTFisthatguy]

Amazing video once again 🤌🏽🤌🏽

[@cadmusravenstag4403]

Knowing Martin, Euron will use the horn only to have it blowup in his face. lol

[@pastelpurpledeathbed]

my mind is being blown with the influx of knowledge that is entering my mind

[@fighting_bones]

Algorithm brought me here, your content is very good has a similar style to Alt Shift X which makes it really engaging. You earned a new subscriber :)

[@Thomk121]

During the empire of the dawn they definitely did not have dragons, but they had some fire breathing beast, or fire magic. It is stated valayrians used blood magic to create dragons. They practiced gene slicing, merging of pecies. Maybe they mixed wyverns, fire magic and valayrian dna to create dragons. The Three heads are the dragon, rider, and mind meld of the 2 is the 3rd head.

[@staytuned2L337]

Make the Dawn Great Again ! 😂❤ Well done, once again Chris.

[@akeelyaqub2538]

The tale of the dawn empire is ridiculously similar to that of Numenor in middle earth.

[@4pace]

Shout out to David LightBringer!

[@aaronbeckett4062]

George popping up with the poetry quote had me rolling

[@joaoandarilhodosol1781]

Very cool!!!

[@reygutierrez9412]

Sucks x that grrm just plants seeds and never brings things to fruition 😫😫😫😫😫

[@needycatproductions6830]

Very good job; very Alt-Shift-X-like video. I already enjoyed your videos on Aenys, Maegor, Rhaenyra, and Aegon 2.

[@LOKILOKI2012]

LOL he didn't like your comment, but the style is pretty similar, no doubt.

[@CrusaderChris]

Glad you like it, ASX is a big inspiration for me! Also, I’ll have a Daeron the Young Dragon video coming soon for the Targaryen kings series 👍

[@Taykoe88]

What about Ulthos? I think thats what its called, the 4th continent? So curious if theres any info on it in the books? Im thinking of reading em myself, but have really bad OCD and don't even wanna start if Martin doesn't finish the series cause it'll haunt my head forever lol.

[@CrusaderChris]

We know nothing about Ulthos except for it’s the furthest east part of the Known World and much of it consists of jungles. Unfortunately I can’t see it being mentioned in any future books, but I’m really curious how far east it goes.

[@Josh-hv2ze]

@@CrusaderChrisI often wonder what lies past Solthoryos and Ulthos to the south and east. It makes sense that there is something out there but because of the distance the people of westeros don’t know what is out there

[@whatisreddin7367]

Its such a mind fuck 😂 the fact that we will never find out what all of this means is both incredibly annoying and incredibly fascinating... But one question I will always have is WTF happened in Stygai? Its like Asshai on crack... Even Euron didnt go there so what the fuck is going on there? I personally think that it was the Capital of The Great Empire Of The Dawn and that it was decimated during the long night, causing a great exodus and having all the people scatter across the world (Valyrians learn from fleeing Shadowlanders, Shadowlanders set up in Starfall and Oldtown, Some set up in Sothoryos / Basilisk isles...) I know the whole "Stygai is a radioactive wasteland" theory is a piss take but it would explain why there are no animals / children around even thousdands of years later and why Asshai is as far as people go and still practically a ghost town. Maybe ASOIAF really is a post apocalyptic story after all...

[@renatoovelar7442]

Maybe the children of the Amethyst Empress fled west to escape their uncle, maybe they hid in the 14 flames, where they mixed with the local Valyrians, teaching them to tame dragons and make fused black stone.

[@queenxx1690]

Daenerys is very often associated with stars and sun like she has some kind of connections to Daynes she calls Drogo her sun-and-stars and lets not forget that according to Ser Barristan Selmy, Daenerys Targaryen's eyes resemble Ashara's eyes like she could be her daughter. Dawn is pale sword meanwhile Ashara Dayne apparently committed suicide by jumping from tower called the Palestone Sword, one of the towers of Starfall, into the sea.Ashara name comes from Ash Ashara: Lady Asherah of the sea: Sumerian Semitic mother goddess "who treads on the sea" Asherah in ancient Semitic religion, is a mother goddess who appears in a number of ancient sources. Asherah is one of the most ancient of mother goddess symbols, recorded in the pantheons of several civilisations from the tenth century BCE. As the mother to innumerable gods and goddesses, she is often depicted as having the capacity to walk on the sea and water. - what we know about our Lady Ashara so far? she lost her child therefore out of grief committed suicide by jumping into the sea but guess what? her body was never found (interesting). Also noteworthy for Ashara: in the Ugaritic Baal Cycle, part of the "chaoskampf" mytheme and a probable source for the name "Naharis," Asherah attempts to protect her child, the Storm God Baal(Danerys Stormborn), from the water god Yam-Nahar by "offering her body to the Lord of Rivers." She offered favours to the Tyrant. But Powerful Nahar softened not His heart. Finally, Kindly Asherah, who loves Her children, offered Herself to the God of the Sea. She offered Her own body to the Lord of Rivers. In this case the "offering of her body" is offering herself sexually rather than her jumping into a river, but you can see the connection. Makes one wonder if Ashara jumped into the Torrentine to protect someone.

[@TheKadanz]

Also let's not forget there's a theory going on that Daenarys may not be a targaryan by blood, or at least, the mad king is suggested not to be a real father. In the books daenary's memory of her childhood is vague and deceptive, she remember things no other people who've supposed to have lived through those same times and were even present in the same places remember at all. I don't remember the entire theory but the youtuber preston jacobs has a couple of videos on it. It's quite interesting.

[@jacobguess84]

I believe the empire originated in ulthos. And where the symbolic lion in the ahzor sword quenching myth. Swords being comets. Also asshai was the edge of the empire explaining the dark color on the map. Empire probably had dragon dreams about catastrophe and political upheaval ensued. People fled follow different interpretations from the dreams and fled political persecution. Landing them and there influence all over planetos before the catastrophe.

[@arthurbriand2175]

Do we know any creation myth from the numerous religions in asoiaf? I don't remember any in the faith of the Seven or R'hllor. Do we know of any myth concerning the origin of man in this universe ?

[@Buzterer]

We just need to know more of what is between the 5 forts and Westeros

[@Hero_Of_Old]

What editing software do you use man?

[@CrusaderChris]

I do most of my editing in Davinci Resolve Studio. I also use After Effects and Photoshop for various images and effects.

[@danielmejorado6098]

I wonder what happened to the people Aegon sent to look for clues about Dragons. Did they ever make it back to Westeros?

[@aahantechno8260]

Miss the intro ❤

[@agrahatimber2919]

Just watched Dune 2, the whole "God Emperor" kinda reminds me of Dune, I feel like the God Emperor was like Paul Atriedes and the Bloodstone Emperor was probably like Leto the second. Maybe he was the good guy and made the nessceray moves to make sure mankind survived and history just wrote him as a bad guy a Tyrant Emperor. Who knows I mean George takes lots of inspiration of Dune and Lotr the is def possible.

[@williamhermann6635]

Any content about GEOTD gets an automatic click from me

[@GoetzimRegen]

So the great empire of a dawn conquered the seven kingdoms and the kings lines was broken, when the last king of the dawns where bound to the great wall.

[@phillipthompson5937]

Somebody send this to Glidus! He'll love it 😂

[@BeteBlanc]

I suggest only that the moral alignments and biases in myth be taken with a grain of salt. The myths themselves contain tibs that suggest we should. Not the least of which is "salt and smoke." The dragon creation myth seems to suggest something interesting. They drank the sun. Sure this works aa nothing more than a myth for why they breathe flame. But this story contains a Long Night. A condition of a lack of sun. Which I think should suggest the sudden arrival of dragons as a precursor or instigator of a period of darkness. Dragons appear to be thematically linked to Amethysts, which suggests a link between them. On the other hand the Bloodstone. This is a gemstone empire. Most people seem to prefer to see this as black or red, but a real gem is green/red. This combo is suggested in two places. the Outer Wall of Qarth and the eyes of special CotF. Suggesting Greeneyes flecked with weirwood sap. Blood betrayal is slightly separated from the other bit. Yes, it could be him usurping, but consider the context and break in the pattern of the story. These were god/kings. Suddenly a god/queen appears. If the Bloodstone was defeated, we have his surviving opponents writing history. Can we trust who history claims was the real usurper?

[@masonhill326]

Where can I access the map you used in this video?

[@CrusaderChris]

Link in description

[@kofiopoku8847]

Ice can never quench fire. fire can only cool ice. A great song that would be sung forever. A song of ice and fire.

[@davidbadillomirete8226]

I think Clash of Kings may have been the book Dany was meant to go to Asshai, is the closer he gets to Asshai, she only had 5 chapters on that book and the plot of Qarth could have been transformed into a journey to the lands of the east with Daenerys getting a lot of atention in each place but having to leave each time because people want her dragons, just move the House of the Undying on Ashai or Stygai, you can still have warlocks on Qarth and other places, maybe trying to expand a cult, Daenerys could travel to Asshai to find knowledge about the dragons and there the dragons get stolen from here, maybe it could have been a good time to introduce Euron only to leave for the ruins of Valyria to find the Horn once he is rejected by Dany

[@alehanedilko2147]

I do think that dragons are magical hybrids between firewyrms and vyverns. That is why dragons are incapable of producing strong ofsprings naturaly. Ashai'i might have just given hybridization technology to valirians

[@rhaenatargaryen8061]

Alicent not having silvery hair in hotd is still not really proof against the geotd idea because we do know its a regressive gene easily overtaken by darker hair. I also love the irony this creates lmfao very fond of it for that reason alone

[@DDLLDDLLDDLL]

So no more intro??😢

[@gentlemanjaxx]

The Bloodstone Emperor also married a Tiger-Woman. Which makes me wonder where do Tiger people come from? Also there’s a sorcerer living in Carcosa who claims to be the 69th Yellow Emperor of Yi Ti.

[@renatoovelar7442]

Maybe the hightowers have those features because they descend from Rhaena Targaryen, Daemon’s daughter.

[@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs.]

It's a nod to Michael Moorcock's "Elric" stories. A nod to fantasy fans, I doubt it will have much relevance.

[@damnatiomemoriae1894]

If kings blood has power, how much power would a dragons blood have? Could be why there are no dragons left in Asshai

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

I'm pretty sure the Valayrians were the Empire of the Dawn's slaves and they specifically brew the Valayrians to interface with dragons with genetic meddling and mutations and once the Dawn Empire died out the dragon riding Valayrians conquered the world.

[@Loreweavver]

I've been getting into Conan lately and I'm pretty sure ASOIAF is just another story a lot later in that cycle...

[@whyonthefall5373]

Check out the Elric Saga by Michael Moorcock. You'll see a lot of it in ASoIaF

[@Loreweavver]

@@whyonthefall5373 I've been introduced but haven't taken the plunge yet.

[@GREY8008]

What if cannibal was the last dragon of the empire of the dawn

[@BeteBlanc]

Actually, I'm going to apologize for my repetitive other comment. I want to try this a different way. The Sphinx is the Riddle. You've used Chinese history, so I'll borrow from the same. Take a look at chinese dragons. Google Pixiu. Dragons can have lion faces. It's the coexistence that's important. A solar empire tends to lions. For example, if you see a Jade lion it's probably related placed by or to honor a Jade god/king. The lion probably being the base symbol. Hypothetically, if your culture sees the sun as lion of day, it's partner or yin/yang opposite would be the lion of Night. Or the moon. You might represent this as either black or white. Dany in a white lion pelt is a white lunar lion. potentially a Lion of Night. Tyrion in a shadow cat fur is a black lunar lion, also a Lion of Night. The sphinx in the story is either a lion or dragon, which borrows from the chinese view. A black dragon should be a shift from a black lion. Thematically, the Lion of Night is visited by the wealthy and the black dragon is used by a people that coveted gold and gems. We have a moon, or Lion of Night, birthing dragons. So it would make sense for a culture using lion sphinx to replace the face with the lion. If this happened during a solar eclipse it would also make sense for it to be black rather than white. This doesn't mean Valyria was a direct descendant. It means that whoever brought dragons culturally represented themselves with a sphinx and brought that with them. In short, the black dragon sphinx suggests a Lion of Night heritage. While the way it's represented in Braavos is likely an evolution of the same idea that dropped the sphinx before it shifted to dragon. If he's borrowing from real eastern culture it would make sense for lions and dragons to be related. It would also make sense for the Lion of Night to be the partner of the Lion of Day and to be the moon in one or both aspects. This representation fits the symbolism of Drogo as a solar symbol giving the moon of his life a white lion pelt. Burning Drogo to make dragons fits as dragons drinking from the sun to exist. This is the answer to the Sphinx is the riddle not the riddler.

[@lollyklein1770]

" okay, he doesn't know how to pronounce dragon but at least he doesn't have to say a 10,000 times throughout the video"

[@conorfennell8475]

If the empire of the dawn built the base ofthe hightower citadel, it would have been before th first men arrived in westeros. Westeros accepted history may be unrealistic and that wouldnt surpise me, but just saying ir would be weird for anyone to build anything there at that point in time

[@ocky88]

The Bloodstone Emperor has to be the worst person/entity in the entire world of ice and fire. He truly stinks. There’s not one redeeming or decent thing ever said or written about him.

[@ocky88]

I guess that is why Euron shares so many parallels with him 😂

[@Luca.Bruschetta]

Mmm new asoif channels ❤

[@Luca.Bruschetta]

I should make one tbh

[@erasmusluares6097]

Let's wait for the travel reports of Arya Stark

[@Thecrimsonking01]

I wonder if they have alicent brown hair in art and show to disprove that connection. I use to sub to great empire of the dawn but now I do not. I forget the KZbinr but stygia is children of the forest city. Corpses in blood raven cave,, corpse City was a strong point.

[@Oximb]

Alabastur. His theory is top notch, the Singers fit the description of the Ashaii legend about that ancient people who taught their arts to the Valyrians. We don't know anything about the GEOTD magic but we know that the Singers helped the Last Hero to make the dragonsteel, magical steel rooted in fire and blood magic. Their Greenseers can see events taking place at long distances, they can contact people in their dreams. The Singers could shape stone with magics. The Singers could bond with animals. The Singers use obsidian. All that stuff the Singers could do, the Valyrians learned it as well (valyrian steel, glass candle made in obsidian, dragon bonding). The Singers are connected to the Long Night, to its ending which coincide with the rise of Valyria... The GEOTD were never mentioned in the books, they aren't characters in the books...

[@redone2466]

Rheagar is Azur ahai =fire Jon snow is a sword = burning sword = warm sword as nissa nissa his mother. Lyanna= is nissa nissa =ice = warm person =good person like her brother ned= a just merciful. Male part = is sword Female part is = heart '''He put his sword in her heart ''' "'Tempered it ..took a time'""= =jon snow raised by ned thought him how to be just Tempered warm= merciful just == see the others as not others but as human like every body else..... Male part===monkey tale===sword Male part + female part= sword (a baby) Jon snow is lightbringer ; Rheagar 's sword = Azur ahai 's sword. Jon snow is a song (son) of ice and fire .. Fallen star /fallen stark/a star dead at giving birth to a baby sword .

[@MbisonBalrog]

GRRM need other writers expand Universe like Stars Wars Legends did.

[@ucnguyenanh9414]

Sounds like the three sovereigns and five emperors.

[@JackCarlisleOfficial]

My name is now Peter Dragon

[@tonyraffetto931]

More like Great Empire of the YAWN amiright? Nah seriously, fun to think about

[@Raminagrobisfr]

"Worship a black stone that descended from the sky" Where did GRRM get that idea from ?

[@Mother_Of_Gays]

Where did he get it tho ?

[@Raminagrobisfr]

@@Darius-_ obviously

[@Oximb]

Haunter of the Dark by Lovecraft. It's about a guy investigating a cult, the Church of Starry Wisdom. The cult worshipped an evil god and a black stone with red veins (a blood stone...) that fell from outer space, it requires human sacrifices... In the ASOIAF, the Church of Starry Wisdom exist and some claims the Bloodstone Emperor was the first High Priest of the Church. He worshipped a stone that fell from outer space and did blood sacrifices to an evil god...

[@Jorrane_Rei_C]

H. P. Lovecraft

[@Jorrane_Rei_C]

⁠What @Oximb said.

[@AvazeGorgha]

Dreigon dreigon dreigon

[@jackashmore]

I find this interesting as hell however I don’t want a show about it. HBO kinda ruined how they could have made the knight king the blood stone emperor

[@xenosaga8436]

Does Melisandre really believe Stannis is Azor Ahai? Maester Aemon says Stannis's Lightbringer is fake because it produces light without heat. It's also described with a ruby in it's hilt. Melisandre uses rubies for her glamours. I always thought she knew Stannis was fake, but was turning his soldiers into zealots so she'd have an army for when she met the real Azor Ahai.

[@Kronk3]

It’s all very Old Testament

[@professor_kaosdrama3993]

Yellow emperor was aryan scythian lord

[@tired_and_stressed]

The George Lucas meme made me absolutely lose it.

[@Heatx79]

Seee, you use the term current like I was on time with this comment

[@ianweir3608]

As crazy as it sounds, the GEOTD is based off Atlantis, and the Valyrians are based off the mythical Aryans of our own world. I'm not making any racist statements here, the mythology is almost identical. According to legend, the aryans were the last descendants of Atlantis, who survive by living on a mountain top. Atlantis was also ruled by Demi god kings who ruled for thousands of years (they were the offspring of [fallen] angels and human women). I think the Valyrians are the only substantial remnants of the Great Empire, and everyone else with weird color eyes are also descendants. That's why ppl with colourful eyes are magic, cause they are unknown descendants of the (fallen) angels. There is power in a king's blood

[@TheBlackconsigliere]

Not to be a cynic or a buzzkill because I love all the lore,but I’m apt to think GRRM knows nothing about any of these theories. The world book was written by 2 other people, essentially super fans. These rabbit holes are their doing.

[@Gray_ninja]

ALRIGHT MY THEORY Danes' original castle was built atop Hightower foundation. I doubt first Dane could follow a star through the Narrow sea, but a walk from Oldtown to Starfall isnt completely implausible

[@anon3746]

What if he had a dragon?

[@Gray_ninja]

@@anon3746 then... I suppose he could forge the Hightower foundation with it. Works too

[@D1craigRob]

I would have loved to see some of this in the tv shows. But no, we get more of Westeros, possibly the most boring place in GoT...

[@tempertempernow]

The black stone is dragon poo poo and nobody can convince me otherwise.

[@tima8117]

could be 😂😂😂😂

[@matheusmterra]

Every time I see how deep Euron was it makes me angry at the show for wasting this monster of a character, one of the best villains I've seen

[@mohirender]

I can't help but feel this is missing the point of the books as a whole... The idea that it's all in the blood, that there's a special group of people who are responsible for everything that's happened in the story, comes off as a bit you know eugenicist and reductive. I've always read the books from the perspective that we are seeing the events unfold from each character's eyes and what they believe in. How much of it is true or false is hard to say. Is it even true that you need Targarayn blood to ride dragons? We're told in the books repeatedly that great houses would try to get eggs in one way or another, showing us that even the other great houses doubted Valyrian exceptionalism. King Jaharyaes freaks out when dragon eggs are stolen fearing they may hatch and give us foreign dragon riders; we're explicitly told he fears this may hurt the idea of their exceptionalism. This shows us that as many Targarayns buy into their supposed closeness to Gods, there are wiser among them who doubt it. So what if it's all bullshit? What if you don't need special blood and it's just a mix of good old animal bonding and some magic powers, nothing else. A final note, GRRM says the third dragon rider in the upcoming books won't even be a Targarayn, lending credence to my claims and suppositions here.

[@devn266]

1st dynasty was Qin in china... look up qin dynasty. someone hasnt seen kingdom

[@CrusaderChris]

The Xia dynasty, if it wasn’t entirely mythical, predated the Qin dynasty by two thousand years.

[@abigailguessis1218]

So it’s china

[@Brellowcrop]

Someone's been watching David Lightbringer, ay. Cool video anyways, mate

[@Oximb]

3 seconds in and a big mistake: the Shadows Land and Asshai weren't part of the Great Empire of the Dawn. Another big mistake at 3:36 "It was Asshaii's dragonglords who taught their magic to the humble valyrian's shepperds" , the Asshaii legends says that an ancient people from the Shadow Lands are the one who taught the Valyrian their arts so not the Ashaii themselves nor the GEOTD.

[@CrusaderChris]

You’re conflating the term “mistake” with “something I disagree with.” I never said it was a fact that Asshai was part of the GEOTD, only that it’s possible. And yes, Asshai is a city whereas the Shadow Lands are a mountainous region, but since it’s called Asshai-By-The-Shadow, we can assume they’re closely tied.

[@theprofessionalhater69]

Bro really thinks he's GRRM holy shit. Crusader Chris very clearly said those things as speculative, tentative bits of info, not plain facts you brainless homunculi. Go outside

[@anon3746]

Ashai was probably the capital of the Great Empire of the Dawn. The theory goes: we have a misterious megacity and a continent wide empire, that existed at the same time. Now, we don't know the Empire's exact borders, but they were definitely in that far east region. We also don't know who built Ashai, but it's bigger than the 11 free cities, Old Town and kings landing put together... Plus it's made of black stone, their signature building material.

[@Oximb]

@@CrusaderChris The borders of the GEOTD are established as « all the land between the Bones and the freezing desert called the Grey Waste, from the Shivering Sea to the Jade Sea (including even the great and holy isle of Leng) », a quick look on the map and we can see that Asshai and the Shadow Lands are beyond those, so including the Grey Waste, the Shadow Lands and Asshaii as part of the GEOTD on your map at the start is a mistake. Yeah Asshai is near the Shadows Lands, thus "By-the-Shadow" but that doesn't that the people living in the Shadows are Asshaii. Even today, a person like Quaithe of the Shadow is not called an Asshaii, just as Melisandre of Asshai is not called of the Shadow. « These Asshai’i histories say that a people so ancient they had no name first tamed dragons in the Shadow » => If the Asshaii were those people, why would they forgot their own name in their report? Doesn't make sense.

[@Oximb]

@@anon3746 The borders of the GEOTD are established as « all the land between the Bones and the freezing desert called the Grey Waste, from the Shivering Sea to the Jade Sea (including even the great and holy isle of Leng) », a quick look on the map and we can see that Asshai and the Shadow Lands are beyond those. We have their borders and legends about the GEOTD, Yi-Ti boasts of being descended from the very first empire to exist but says nothing about the mythical city of Ashaii? They don't claim that their ancestors were the first to tame dragons? Why wouldn't Yi-Ti jump at the opportunity? Because there's no trace of it. We don't know who built Asshai and there is nothing to prove that the GEOTD did it and before you bring up the Five Forts, no it doesn't say that the Pearl Emperor built those, it says that some people think he did, not the same thing, Martin on the subject: " Oh, and he did mention that he put lots of legends into the books such as Bran the Builder. Bran the builder is supposed to have built the Wall, Winterfel, and Storms End. GRRM mentioned that he has become a legend so that people will look at a structure and say "wow, it must have been built by Bran the Builder" when it actually was not. This is GRRM's attemt on creating a world with myths and legends so if at some point you see, "They say it was built by Bran the Builder or Lann the Clever" realize that its part of the mythos. . . . " www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/ConJose_San_Jose_CA_August_29_September_22

[@Lucy-pd6fv]

Bro is using a lot of the same phrases and photos as Alt Shift X…

[@theblessed1209]

I like how the bloodstone emperor and amethyst empress look like they was blk guess earlier civilizations were blk in every history including fiction 1s 😂

[@jeambeam3173]

I LOVE the idea of some dumbass ancient super advanced magic wise Dragon Emperor gave the Others the necromantic powers