Empire vs The Papacy (Guelphs vs Ghibellines)

[@StefanMilo]

That map at 3:47, I know that took a bloody long time. Great vid and epic though.

[@user-lc8jd6sn2b]

@@MLaserHistory hey if you wouldn't mind would you share the list you have of which city belongs in each group

[@user-lc8jd6sn2b]

@@MLaserHistory thanks a ton I would really enjoy that

[@albertorepetto2909]

One curiosity: Genoa at the time of Barbarossa was so powerful that didn't have to directly join the Lombard League. The Genoese helped, but mostly indirectly, and because the League payed for it. Genoa obtained the same concessions that the other cities struggled for and fought for at Legnano several years before them. One of the reason that Barbarossa couldn't risk to attack the city was because of the newest walls that the Genoese built around the city. These walls were, at the time, the state of the art of european military architecture. Despite their construction initially took years, when the city heard the news of emperor coming to northern Italy, the walls were completed in a very short time, 53 days, as a show off, and as warning. Genoa has got several rings of walls and fortifications over the centuries, and that ring is still called today the Barbarossa Walls, for this reason en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Genoa

[@ThisisBarris]

I started watching, saw that it was between Bologna and Modena, and immediately thought that it would be awesome if it was the war of the bucket. I never knew it had so much significance - I always thought it was a silly brawl between two rival towns. Another great video M.Laser!

[@ThisisBarris]

@@MLaserHistory I can definitely see that you are taking a different approach to the war as this video took a lot of care in describing the events preceding it when most would just make a "meme" video. Italian wars are a fascinating subject so I look forward to your take on it man!

[@arx3516]

The feud still goes on, even in the car industry, Ferrari is from Modena and Lamborghini from Bologna!

[@x8lika8x]

Yes correct. And fast forward to 2022 to see the battle still taking place.

[@rooneye]

So that’s what that event on Europa Universalis 4 is when playing Genoa! Lol

[@MLaserHistory]

Really there's an event about it in eu4 ? Did not know that.

[@rooneye]

@@MLaserHistory Yeah with Genoa, like I said, the event is called "The Guelph-Ghibelline Feud" and you can either pick a side or just let them argue. Obviously if you pick sides then either the HRE or Papal States will like you more etc.

[@MLaserHistory]

@@rooneye ou that's very cool thanks for telling me.

[@FMxEagle]

Great, I have a test on medieval Europe next week. This video brought some of the developments before and after the Gregorian reform in perspective for me. Thanks a lot!

[@sirwelch9991]

Bravo, Bravo!!! A five-star presentation on this rare topic!

[@cocofashosho]

Thank you for covering this topic! We covered the Investiture Controversy briefly in my Western Civ I course last semester, and I just read the Divine Comedy (Dante’s Inferno) and was eager to learn more about the Guelph/Ghibelline references that Dante kept making. Your video provides some much needed context and is greatly appreciated!

[@TheAlez44]

We sometimes still make fun of each other based on if your city was guelph or ghibelline. Guelphs suck

[@sangay9361]

Dante doesn’t approve

[@ComradeHellas]

Haha really now? And what's your city if I may ask?

[@insulindianmarechale]

Fuck ghibellines all homies guelphs gang

[@giacmon85]

@@sangay9361 Dante was a White Guelph. After the Black Guelphs won in Florence and expelled them, the Whites allied with previously expelled Ghibellines Florentine families leaving in the close Ghibellines Tuscan cities and tried to recapture Florence. So a Guelph allied with Ghibellines... It was complicated. Many several layers of city politics, regional politics, international politics, religious and noble benefits, marriages and family ties. What a marvellous, brutal mess.

[@sangay9361]

@@giacmon85 I know

[@eugenecoleman8525]

I've really been wanting to learn more about the HRE and this time period, but it's really hard to find good videos on the subject. Thank you for making this!

[@eugenecoleman8525]

Btw, I found your channel from "OverSimplified" giving you a plug for your work on this video in his war of the bucket video

[@TheLocalLt]

The beginnings of the HRE in the 800-900s are particularly interesting, especially the treaty of verdun in 843 which ended a Frankish civil war and divided Charlemagne’s empire up between France, Germany/HRE, and Lotharingia (Low Countries+Luxembourg+Alsace+Lorraine/Lotharingia+Savoy) which the former two then fought over in endless wars for the next 1100 years. Really remarkable how Europe begins to essentially take shape right there. Also why I disagree with the creator of this video that the HRE started in 800, as Charlemagne’s empire spawned both France and Germany, which would conquer Rome and become its own Roman Empire, later called Holy.

[@whatsrandomtoday4628]

This video is so well made! I love the information you included. My brain wasn't overloaded and I really got the gist.

[@talon5985]

Lol I occasionally find wonderfully concise, detailed videos from your channel on the most random searches. Thanks for all the effort you put in.

[@jenniferofholliston5426]

The best explanation of Guelphs and the Ghibellines I have ever heard.

[@ray23empd63]

Really complete video! You explained this part of italian history much better than the outdated version they teach in italian schools! Keep up with the good work!

[@ScrapironRyann]

thank you so much been trying to understand this all day, your 9 minute video was more effective than all the reading I've done on the net today

[@MLaserHistory]

I completely understand your struggle, Wikipedia and other websites aren't very descriptive about the topic and all the books on it are too academic to be able to comprehend the over all picture. Honestly someone should write like an introductory book in to the Empire vs the Papacy struggle. Maybe it exists but I have yet to find it. Anyways happy to have helped.

[@ScrapironRyann]

​@@MLaserHistory I'm trying to shoe horn Frederick II's role in all this, another complicated matter, my head hurts. It seems like he had a major role in the struggle between pope and emperor, I need another 9 minute vid on him please 🙏

[@rghibellini]

Very interesting and well structured summary, thank you for the insight!

[@techguru4448]

A great vid, many thanks. Would you consider producing a presentation of the Black Nobility? So much has been said about the Papal Bloodlines, and the Black Pope and it would be nice to have a historically accurate picture. I would love to see the connections between the Venetians and the Phoenicians.

[@lvlv693]

I just wanted to thank you, i have a presentation to do about this and you helped me alot !

[@MLaserHistory]

Glad it helped!

[@Piperdogloveshats]

Great video!!! I’m a new fan! Thanks for really thorough and well researched content!!

[@aymarafan7669]

San Marino just be eating pop corn watching this!

[@2712animefreak]

The funny thing about Dante's Inferno is that the protagonist meets some of Dante's most prominent political opponents during his tour of hell. Therefore, Dante literally :) (or is it literarily?) told them to go to hell.

[@andrewhooper7603]

So much classic literature is just some dork writing Mary Sue story. Look at the Arthurian Cycle, where it's just a string of guys adding a character who's totally more badass than the character you added. Like, Lancelot was written in by a Frenchman. Wow, look at that, he bests Arthur in combat and fucks his wife. But who's that walking through the door? By god, it's Galahad, who gets carried straight to heaven because he's so perfect and not an asshole like that Lancelot guy. Hell, even Arthur himself is just an excuse for Brits to write about how they would kick every other kingdom's ass and how perfect their realm is.

[@βιτψηασσνιγγα]

3:24 Europa Universalis IV estates. Awesome

[@nicktrevi2990]

Great job. Highly underrated channel. Magus Are you against making a video on the City of London, its offshore status, history and interaction with power structures such as Bank of England, etc. ?

[@MLaserHistory]

Maybe someday, but I'd probably actually rather do an independent video on just the bank of England because, it has a fascinating history.

[@unioneitaliana7107]

The seal of Welfs was a red eagle grasping a green dragon🦅🐉, all in a white shield. They're curiously the colors of the flag of Italy. 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@martinavaslovik3433]

Wow! What a mess that was! I've learned a lot from this video, and thank you very much. It clears up a lot I was wondering about.

[@goodcookgaming5352]

Here from Oversimplified Great content

[@sauronmordor7494]

:)

[@EdoardoLusuardi]

Amazing video, very detailed.Cheers from Reggio Emilia.

[@Peristerygr]

Τhe division that practically gave autonomy/independence to northern italian city states as whole north italy, except Venice, was politically part of the Holy Roman Empire.

[@jacondo2731]

good as always

[@gabrielboi3465]

Greetings from the ghibelline city of Como!

[@leguan1]

5:00 Gwelfs cities (red cross, not white), Gib towns 7:15 Campaldino, Florence, Blacks won, Dante left

[@scottjohnson9799]

I want to know more about the guy in the middle at 3:10. Dude looks like a badass. Just holding that sword and waving at the guy drawing things.

[@Derna1804]

Since I don't see anyone else being a pedant in the comments, so I'll just point out 6:07 that there were no tomatoes in Italy during the Middle Ages and this explains why all the Italians were ornery and prepared to kill each other over almost nothing.

[@MLaserHistory]

Picture is unfortunate but the point stands, it just would have been other fruits not tomatoes.

[@nicolagordon6784]

So helpful. Thank you

[@KARKATELCESARENVIADODESA-pv4yd]

North Italy be normal for 1 split of a second challenge

[@mariocassina90]

And remember your vote doesn't count but but vote of your count counts

[@rolland890]

Awesome video!

[@rolland890]

I want more!!!!

[@franzwallner4281]

Great video ! Many thanks !

[@elliottjames671]

I see that Borgehse double head yellow and black eagle 👀

[@NihilsineDeo1866.]

Good video my dear frend!

[@tylerchapman9234]

If you go to that town even now they will happily show you the bucket

[@CrusaderMapper]

3:46 ah yes Rimini is referred to as Roma

[@isabeldeortega]

Oversimplified sent me here. I just subscribed 😁

[@filippodaidone738]

You used the wrong flag for Modena, that was the late flag of the Duchy of Modena, with the colours of the Habsburg. Italian comuni at the time didn't have flag but gonfaloni plain color flag on a spear with a coat of arms painted on, the Modena one was blue and had a Blu cross on a gold field in the coat of arms (Blue Cross on gold was an alternative Ghibelline symbol) The Bologna one was also a gonfalone. But pretty good video, I subscribed.

[@jean-denisdebeauvoir4542]

Better than OverSimplified

[@serenissimarespublicavenet3945]

Dante Alighieri fought at Campaldino

[@greenbutter3190]

Stable video👍

[@ontuonssmetuona8016]

I cant stop thinking about Denmark

[@charlesgehring8124]

I thought the same thing when I saw the flag.

[@arx3516]

Copenaghen was the secret Ghibelline headquarter all along!

[@TheLocalLt]

I disagree that the HRE started in 800, as Charlemagne’s empire spawned both France and Germany, which would conquer Rome and become its own Roman Empire, later called Holy. Charlemagne’s (much grander to be fair) empire on the other hand was never called the Holy Roman Empire, just the Roman Empire or Frankish-Roman Empire. Charlemagne’s empire was more seen as a revival of the Roman Empire under a Germanic but Christianized king, as opposed to the Holy Roman Empire which was formed by the Kingdom of the Germans and never conquered the Roman and Frankish lands back in France, which was its rival and counterbalance. The two fought over everything, including the pope (Avignon popes), so a united empire encompassing the continental Roman Empire / all Frankish lands never really happened again after the death of Charlemagne’s son Louis the Pious.

[@raymonddonahue7282]

very good video

[@boki102409]

Venice looking at the side line.

[@loliesforevery1]

Hey, your video really helped frame the battle and many other elements into context. I was wondering what sources you used to make your video? I'm trying to write an essay and could really do with the help.

[@loliesforevery1]

M. Laser my essay is about Dante and a section of it is putting Boniface viii in context and so i'm talking about the guelph's and ghibellines but focusing on florence

[@sahhaf1234]

Excellent.. But you have to make a longer video on it.. Or, better still, a series of videos..

[@TheVinceLyons]

With whom did Venice side?

[@MLaserHistory]

Neither since they weren't part of the HRE. They either remained neutral or sided with one side or the other when it benefited them. Venice basically used the conflict for its own advantage as much as it could.

[@johnsondoeboy2772]

Did they eventually merge?

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

You might say that the Imperial faction wanted Unlimited power. Hah.

[@Nick-qw2ue]

Greate video

[@simonpeter5032]

This is a great vid, the only criticism I have is that you mess up some homophones and homonyms. For example, 7:50 you used "where" instead of the correct "were" for that sentence. I recall noticing similar mistakes earlier on but let it slide thinking it was just one accidental occasion. If you ever want or need help with grammar and phrasing, I'd be willing to help.

[@uhforja]

Also, at 6:06 there's a picture of a tomato, which was introduced in Europe in the 16th Century.

[@ByWho-js5bq]

the GILFS vs the Gideons

[@HistoryHouseProductions]

Never knew that such a dumb war had only semi-dumb roots.

[@EdoardoLusuardi]

Cause racism is a perfect reason to start a war.

Italians.....

[@Iapetus7849]

Hungarians......

[@dbass4973]

history: some men fought for power many have died as a result

[@knockhello2604]

Tribal Italians cracking the fuck up

[@paulc6210]

Title of the video : you should change the order, if possible..... Apart from that, very good.

[@egg-xb1ip]

Here from oversimplified

[@banana_man_101]

What a load of Bologna.

[@nexusebtuoy]

LOLOL sapere aude!

[@vojislavbelic896]

Anyone else here because of Meiou and Taxes?

[@notsure6187]

History of Philadelphia please or Pittsburgh.

[@Chris-hp9be]

But I digress

[@souhardyabhol]

Over simplified

[@bencaspar]

who knew that Chiao Mein was crowned y the bishop of Rome

[@eldermoose7938]

So extreme political polarization is bad

[@apple-ui3gc]

the only authentic empire is roman empire whose capital is constantinople

[@arx3516]

That was just a cheap knockoff. How can it call itself "roman" if it doesn't hold the city of Rome?

[@ChevyChase301]

@@arx3516 um because Caesar spent very little time in Rome and is the truest Roman

[@edigabrieli7864]

Your reading in a monotone is so annoying I lasted only a few seconds.