EN3 Members So "Nihongo Jouzu" That Even JP Members Are Intimidated...

【 Nerissa Ravencroft / FUWAMOCO / A-chan / Mori Calliope / Aragami Oga / hololive 】
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[@Chaosloki]

Elite Miko out here catching strays every time an EN member speaks JP. lmao

[@konaqua122]

I love how her title is Elite and everyone is dissing Miko. However, the gap moe is something I really like.

[@NeuronActivation]

The fact that Fuwawa and Mococo can speak Japanese fluently. Means that a Korone collab can more than likely occur, holodoggo will be a reality.

[@yong9613]

Holok9, Holohounds...

[@gremcilia_immermurin]

​@@yong9613holocerberus

[@zayd4078]

Holobark

[@JL_Loki]

Also Luinee Collab. She is already down bad for twins and she already said before she wanted to meet them.

[@gigachad5961]

Korone , koyori, twins

[@showland2727]

Oga is so funny on these watch alongs, thanks for including him.

[@Verxx-sc2tl]

Oga? Where? (⁠｡⁠•̀⁠ᴗ⁠-⁠)

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

Does the chat help in translating what she's saying? I admit I do not know much about him.

[@SoraRaida]

@@imfinishedgrinding638 Yes, there are translators in chat.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Oga is a star among Stars. He's a fun dude you can vibe with despite not catching an ounce of what he's saying.

[@justavivi3386]

Miko, when her position in japanese language drops even lower "I am in danger"

[@TheyCallMeDio]

At this point, we're all more fluent in Japanese than Mikochi

[@Absolute__Zero]

Miko’s Japanese ranking has sank so low that even Mumei seems more ‘fluent’ in comparison xD

[@yong9613]

Oh NYO indeed 😱

[@FiredAndIced]

There was a memetic image on Twitter, where a Japanese viewer said, "Compared to Mikochi, your Japanese is so good." I feel sadge for Miko (笑).

[@TheyCallMeDio]

​@@FiredAndIcedMiko made us all sound more fluent in Japanese now lol

[@user-rw8vs1we3y]

certified oh nyo moment

[@FromTheDeck]

At this point, I'd believe Ame has a better ranking spot that Miko

[@user-qj8vp4ry3v]

Note : 2000 kanjis is the level same as almost of graduation junior high school (15 y.old) *equal to JLPT N1 class. We Japanese learn 2136 kanji until that time. *I wrote additional description about JLPT classes

[@BagoPorkRinds]

Is that enough to pass N3?

[@user-qj8vp4ry3v]

@@BagoPorkRinds Enough. I've researched how many characters you gotta remember to pass each levels, 2000 is almost N1 level. At least, writing and reading questions.

[@TotemoGaijin]

Its crazy that she knows almost all the jouyou, but isn't confident to speak. 風団は話す方がぜんぜん習いやすいなのにね。

[@Cosmicgardening]

nah this is fine these are completely different skills. My vocab is ~30k and that's including about 2700 unique kanji but speaking well is as much about vibe and pronunciation as it is about grammar...if you don't have an environment that demands output (and gives feedback...), it's not going to happen for a lot of people. If she has the energy a bilingual collab with someone like Irys could help a ton. Speaking broken accent heavy japanese where you can't express yourself is purely about confidence not ability and some people are too self conscious for this.

[@nsfwxd4069]

Holy cow, I still have way up to get there with my 300 kanji, feel like a baby

[@gorodn009]

EN 3rd Gen: Nihongo Jouzu Miko: Worried Japanese noises

[@reaperofthings]

I’m sorry, I think you mean ELITE noises

[@KoyaHarmony17]

Dayum, even the JP devil of Holostars approves Nerissa and the twins!

[@Ichinaru31]

Can't believe how many talents that can speak jp are being added to EN. It only makes making mash-up collabs with jp members more promising and frequent happenings.

[@BakedConjurer5]

seemed like they really recruited those people with half half content of jp and en

[@Ichinaru31]

@@BakedConjurer5 yeah, which is pretty great cause EN is becoming more diverse when it comes to having members that can speak more than 1 language.

[@BakedConjurer5]

@@Ichinaru31 interaction wise yeah i agree

[@Ichinaru31]

@@BakedConjurer5 That's what I meant friend, it's always great to increase the bond between EN and JP more than ever before.

[@toospooky5929]

"We're not perfect" said the obviously native Japanese twins. I guess they can learn with Miko.

[@RandomUserX99]

They're not native. They are Canadians.

[@kagesentai]

​@@RandomUserX99could be canadian born japanese, we never know

[@RandomUserX99]

@@kagesentai we do know. They are Hapa twins living in Canada. Soon they will be famous IRL too, like Callie and DDK.

[@musicwalls]

​@@kagesentaiYes we do. They're both Canadian by nationality but they've spent so much time in Japan that their fluency is native level.

[@toospooky5929]

@@RandomUserX99 I've yet to see proof Canada is real. They're Japanese.

[@EsmeraldaVids]

Rissa is that one friend that says never study but always get A mark

[@alexjustalexyt1144]

Hell fucking no, she has definitely studied. It's just that once you begin learning a language you realize how much you do not know. I know about 5k Japanese words and even now I'm like "damn, I'm absolute shit at Japanese" The whole "man I only know about (insert a great value)% of the language, I'm terrible" is extremely common for any language learner.

[@JL_Loki]

Poor Mikochi. As soon as I heard them speak Japanese I thought about Miko loosing rank again. Also Fuwamoco should look out for hawks. One of them is already too excited to meet them even before they debut. That one is obsessed with twins and even talked about it on her debut. Even Polka know she can't be stop seeing the twins.

[@JanitorAntisocial]

"Who's your favorite vtuber?" "Sakura Miko." "Oh, okay! What language does she speak?" "...I don't even know anymore, man."

[@SSRBnero]

lol

[@stephen01king]

We all know she speaks elite

[@kaboom8081]

elito language

[@addicted-DD]

Japanyese language

[@coryxvx]

The strays shot at miko 😂

[@lorddanielthesecond73]

Now I know the new EN ladies are speaking beautiful Japanese, but I would also like to point out that our beloved A-chan seems to be improving her English with every appearance

[@switchkon2811]

Miko's rank is getting lower and 35P is getting anxious.

[@TheyCallMeDio]

Now Miko's rank in Japanese has been downgraded to deeper than the lowest tier

[@illiiilli24601]

She's still probably pretty high up in HoloEN

[@user-keikaku]

I was surprised Fuwawa and Mococo could speak fluent and unaccented Japanese. Their Japanese skills are as good as a native's.

[@trelos7431]

I am not suprise there twitter activity and if you know already there voice

[@nietzchan]

I heard they previously work for some travel guide or somethin /s

[@Faramik2000]

@@nietzchan just imagine a GGN playthrough on their channels just to really fuck with reality

[@MxMoondoggie]

They are half-Japanese. They were already doing activities before this as Vtubers among lots of other stuff

[@YuriEnthusiast]

@@Faramik2000 oh hell naw 💀 imma wait until this becomes a canon event

[@vilmamiyagi2785]

the other holo advent members (shiori, bijou, nerissa) speak a little bit of japanese but the most fluent speakers are fuwamoco + a-chan's english

[@MessedUpBrainspike]

"I'm not so good at Japanese, I just happen to know 2000 kanji" For each and every EN generation that debuts, I feel more and more inadequate as a human being

[@TotemoGaijin]

There are 2,136 kanji in the jouyou kanji (regular use kanji), so she's practically just shy of being considered literate, but somehow isn't confident in speaking and grammar. No idea how that happens, lol.

[@littlewhiteherz1402]

@TotemoGaijin I can understand speaking tbh. In my case when it comes to english, in writing I'm basically fluent but I'm not confident at all in speaking because I don't have anyone to practice with lol.

[@piotr004]

@@littlewhiteherz1402 Me too. Reading and writing? No problem. Speaking? I'm nervous...

[@Lancynical]

Tough times for 35P

[@minimeatball253]

Finally more members that can teach a certain Elite Shrine Maiden

[@aprix7977]

🐾BAU BAU🐾💕💙

[@MitchJustChill]

🗿

[@antares_m20]

what does that fucking stone accomplish? does it deliver any emotion?

[@jennifercheung6464]

@@antares_m20🗿

[@fernandomarques5166]

​@@MitchJustChill⛏️⛏️⛏️

[@FuMiO02110]

​@@antares_m20You need to FEEL THE 🗿

[@Sonicsion]

I always appreciate channels like this. I can only speak 1 language (barely) so seeing translations to what has been said is very nice. Cheers

[@Neutral_1zed]

Fuwamoco speaks japanese so fluently I could even start to believe they’re japanese who learned english.

[@aoitenshi911]

They are native, but try new era with speaking english as they main languange

[@nietzchan]

Yeah man, I almost believed that too, crazy!

[@villahermosasebastian8794]

From their accent they dont seem like native english speakers either

[@johnandrew4856]

They mentioned on twitter that they do not live in Japan maybe they are of Japanese descent

[@nicodalusong149]

Hahaha, A-chan really did that to Miko. That's funny.

[@rexblanco2204]

With every new Non-JP Gen that come out, Miko's JP ranking goes lower and lower

[@WeirdSatay]

So she's probably of Korean or Chinese ancestry.I speak mandarain so Kanji's easy for me even though their meaning is often different in Jp but it's easy to make the new associations since the way it's written is already familiar. Grammar on the other hand is a whole other different animal. The particles and sentence structure is very different.

[@rdxzero]

Yeah. When learning Japanese from zero, it's rare to remember and read 2000, but also be bad at grammar at the same time. It narrows down the possibilities significantly.

[@JL_Loki]

I think she's probably Korean who grow up in US the way she speaks.

[@SoraRaida]

@@JL_Loki Not saying you're wrong, I think she's more probable to have Chinese ancestry just because Korean's hangeul looks vastly different than Japanese kanji

[@andrewli6606]

@@JL_Lokishe says she doesn’t really know Korean so probably not Korean or at least only of partial Korean ancestry.

[@RandomUserX99]

Nope. She's 100% white girl from Minnesota

[@SolStryker]

2000 kanji reminds me of my (ultimately squandered) journey with Anki flash cards.

[@alrightalright4585]

Duuude, I had no idea those 2 were a team package until just now. I def assumed they'd be streaming separately. That's an amazing idea. It's cool Hololive still trys new stuff like this even after already discovering the winning formula.

[@yodawgzgaming4416]

Oga's characters legit crack me up and I'm so glad to see some of them finally getting clipped 😆

[@hikun2837]

Mikochi getting off from the chart 😂

[@faylinnmystiquerose2224]

Oh shiz, I'm early lol, poor Mikochi though XD

[@communismwithgiggles2515]

Miko catching strays left and right 😭

[@aldiy1707]

2000 kanji is N1 level tho??? Anyone that study japanese that know 2000 kanji should be alr pretty good and is not a beginner, the only reason i can think of is that she's Chinese.

[@daedalus25]

Yep that was my first thought too. Nobody knows 2000 kanji and is considered "beginner" level unless they learned Chinese first.

[@Falkner94]

in terms of reading though I think she doesnt have too much practice for japanese speaking which is why she cant speak well which is what it is for both me and my friend as well

[@HYPERMUGEN]

Yeah I don't know why they are still at N2 unless their mother language is chinese.

[@cosminmoldoveanu731]

I was thinking she might've done Heisig's RTK and learned kanji meanings before anything else, but if she says she can read them, then it might not be that...

[@yesno2696]

@@cosminmoldoveanu731 yeah the moment i heard that i wondered if she had followed any of the rtk-like courses or kklc

[@b.l.a.c.k.s.t.a.r]

A-chan immediately pointing out that Miko's Japanese language ranking is getting lower because the new EN members can also speak Japanese lmao

[@Techno_Idioto]

Pretty sure it's a requirement at this point to at least speak some japanese to be in Hololive..

[@Nixthyo]

2000 Kanji is almost N1 level for JLPT lol.

[@illiiilli24601]

Just 136 away

[@TotemoGaijin]

How do you even get to that level, but not have any confidence in your speaking skill? Kinda blows my mind, lol.

[@illiiilli24601]

@@TotemoGaijin RTK

[@o0...957]

​@@TotemoGaijinThere are many cases where people are very good in reading but not as good in speaking or writing, whereas others are better at speaking but not good at reading or writing. I have a similar situation, I can speak Assamese fluently, but it's hard for me to read and even harder to write.

[@polygon2745]

@@TotemoGaijin Do you only speak one language? Because there's a very big difference when it comes to actually speaking a language and being able to read it lol. It's the same thing as teaching yourself a language simply by going through textbooks and language dictionaries. You'll theoretically be able to "speak" and understand the langauge, but if you're not ACTIVELY using it and practicing, your speaking proficiency will obviously be poor.

[@dickysatria7268]

Poor mikocchi , getting crossfired 360°

[@Sparkster217]

1:56 that synced laugh tho

[@daemonking3486]

But hey, at least my Mikochi is elitenese jouzu

[@sub2suisei]

Migo is SOMEHOW losing despite not being present, ssg 😂

[@0x012]

Wanikani gang!

[@nietzchan]

This is enough to drag me back to the hellish anki supplemental routine

[@defeatableairman]

My thoughts exactly.

[@damujklas]

Fuwamoco feels more native JP lol

[@aoitenshi911]

Sarcasm lol

[@highstudentproduction8195]

Man borh sister is fluent! I think this what they mean they almost share the same braincells. I think both of them also do the practice each other and talk daily. Will definitely note that for sure.

[@lootmaster1337]

rip miko, her jp rank as en gen0 went down even more :/

[@stefanyuwono1909]

Elite: ore hazukashii, nye

[@yourvenparianen5390]

Miko is elite japanese, not comparable 😂

[@Crackalacking_Z]

Oh nyo XD

[@X1erra]

Fuwa Moco are not only so fluent in Japanese, they speak like literal natives! I'm starting to have doubts they're even from the US xD

[@-Devy-]

Well you'd be right, they're not from the U.S. They're from Canada.

[@johnandrew4856]

Are Canadians of Japanese descent

[@megalosauru]

Mikochi catches Ls even when she isn't around, damn!

[@lewtx2283]

sounds like the twins speak native japanese for a long time already while Elite Miko getting caught with stray shots....

[@Seansworldd]

She’s almost as tall me me LETS GO

[@bhirawamaylana466]

everyone watching Miko with pity.

[@SaitoHimea]

Mikochi: OI!!!!

[@Yor35P]

Mikochi's EN ranking dropped again.

[@shimrarin2660]

Guess that what being tour guides does to people

[@joejunior4700]

FuwaMoco is perpetually in Collab.... If that makes sense 😂😂😂😂

[@chills_tiny_mom]

Nerissa is as tall as me 😭

[@Meitary]

2000 kanji is actually native level wtf Nerissa is cracked

[@azurasana540]

EN gens who can speak JP fluently or advanced: HoloMyth has Kiara HoloCouncil has Bae and iRys HoloAdvent has Nerissa, Fuwawa AND Mococo. Next gen might be a full roaster of livers with 5 of them being able to speak JP fluently

[@polygon2745]

We don't even know if Nerissa can speak at all though. There's a very big difference when it comes to actually speaking a language and being able to read it lol. It's the same thing as teaching yourself a language simply by going through textbooks and language dictionaries. You'll theoretically be able to "speak" and understand the langauge, but if you're not ACTIVELY using it and practicing, your speaking proficiency will obviously be poor.

[@azurasana540]

@@polygon2745 oh yeah, I forgot Nerissa might actually understand what they say in JP with her 2000 Kanji but speaking it may be difficult.

[@DoozyyTV]

Probably a wanikani user lol knows kanji but not the rest

[@kimsubaki6389]

nerissa: 5'9 joe rogan: jamie, pull that up

[@KenanVonKaiser]

The Fact That Fuwawa And Mococo Can Speak Japanese Fluently! Means That A Korone Collab Can More Likely Occur, Holodoggo Will Be A Reality!

[@Claire75690]

Lmao you tried 💀

[@Ringo_ChanSan]

Same birthday as me, that's pog

[@defeatableairman]

A-chan saying "oh no" TSKR 🙏

[@layfonal1889]

Cerberus will be a freaking clip fiesta

[@HaesslichG]

1:46 - oh, burn. Between the twins and Nerissa, I'm pretty sure they're going to rank her next to Gura soon.

[@shinranarukami3411]

I didnt really think about it till now but Miko has just dropped 3 ranks for japanese among the EN members

[@akatsukiwolf2735]

incoming Miko-chi reaction.. nyo! nyo! nyo! nyo! nyo!

[@gourmand3]

Yay her voice matches her model

[@meinelust]

FuwaCoco sounded native even though they claimed that they're not fluent.

[@MinhLe19303]

I remember when the twins first speak Japanese, the Japanese chat goes wild. They're really that charming, huh...

[@cydh_r]

The twins just need to pass JLPT N1, while mikochi is getting further away than N5

[@Lelouchtheclipper]

Lucky for irys that these doggo understand nihongo or she truly ☠️

[@LA.20]

2,000 kanji, hori shiz. 500 or more and she all have of them. にほんごはむずかしいね。

[@Archedgar]

1:47 RIP in peace Miko-chan, trolololol. Although Shiori isn't featured here, I wish she were. I can't believe how quickly I'm falling for this new vtuber..... I was so burned out and dropped almost all of them entirely but my heart is refreshed & renewed with this one. It's the fkking goth nerd chick thing. It hits right in the core kokoro I tell you.

[@lanoche]

Lmao Miko always gets roasted. At this point she's probably sleeping in lava just to make it easier.

[@franks777_KFP]

Poor Miko catching strays everywhere 😂

[@vangvull999]

Fueamoco definitely mix japanese at birth

[@aerthreepwood8021]

Damn, I missed those two.

[@kuzumadesu]

Nerissa is my type

[@raiden5176]

Getting jouzued on day 1

[@shiningsimp]

35P in shambles

[@lawliet617]

Miko is in shambles

[@TheGreatAtario]

Miko will always be #1 in speaking Elite

[@DiuLei619]

35P : Hazukashii danye~

[@gingeral253]

I should probably start learning other languages as well… it’s just been hard.

[@LaskarPl]

Is that the actual A-chan? dude... hers getting better every clips

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

I know.. every time I see her now I'm just like, damn.

[@eXaiix]

2000 kanji might feel like a massive hurdle but it’s doable in about 3 months of active studying… I know cause I did it and know a bunch of other people who did the same. And I’m incredibly lazy. Definitely feel the same way with feeling illiterate af though even after 4 years of studying with full kanji knowledge

[@Progeusz]

yup, can relate

[@SkreD]

I can 2000 Kanji" "Beginner-level" btw lmao

[@Marconius6]

"I can read 2000 kanji" That's like... all of the kanji my dude.

[@netherslayer3561]

No, iirc 2k is "recommended" for the average person's day-to-day life in Japan

[@Boris_Belomor]

Funny thing, I've read an article about kanji where it was stated that historically you can count over 300k kanji if you include regional and outdated ones. So nobody knows ALL kanji.

[@darkrow8488]

There's 10.000 kanji less or more, BUT, 2000 of it used for everyday life, the rest is rare to use, unless for teaching and stuff

[@TheSlammurai]

Oh you know Japanese? Name 2000 kanji.

[@UnknownGamer40464]

​​​@@TheSlammuraiI name all of them Bob.

[@bunc7406]

Whys everyone gotta dog on my elite shrine maiden like that!!! ..... see what I did there? BAU BAU!!

[@rizalfiqrifahmiaminudin6326]

poor miko

[@keroro0015]

2k kanjis? wtf shes good

[@Wha2les]

Fuwamoco are japanese native speaker while being very good at English

[@D3Vlicious]

Maybe they can help their fellow En member Miko improve her Japanese

[@kelvinw.1384]

They were guides in the past so doable

[@tiagoh.4120]

Damn english A-chan has no chill lol Mikochi got roasted 🤣

[@kaptainkooleio]

“Old enough to drink” IN WHAT COUNTRY?

[@DucVEagle]

Atleast Miko knows how to be elite

[@STOP_FAKENEWS]

if she can read kanji it’s because shes chinese like baelz

[@STOP_FAKENEWS]

baelz is ashamed she can speak canto, which makes me respect selen more from nijinisan