Endeavor CRJ9 performs emergency landing at Kennedy Airport. Loss of nose wheel steering. Real ATC

[@walterappling6230]

And the actual available landing length for 31L remains a closely guarded secret.

[@AEMoreira81]

Displaced threshold means about 10,500 feet. The threshold is past 22R/4L.

[@federalburrito]

The controller said. Only displaced threshold was closed. So no difference.

[@Tygreton87]

Hahahahah totally. The pilot asked that like, 5 times? 😆

[@amb865]

That was an interesting one. Pilot was super-clear and didn’t hesitate to ask when he needed ATC to repeat something

[@RLTtizME]

Could you repeat that?

[@gravity69100]

nothing like declaring an emergency, and then having the controller ask you 30 seconds later if you’re going to declare an emergency

[@jamescollier3]

it used to be fuel and souls a few times. once per controller

[@sylviaelse5086]

Yes - if he'd said MAY-DAY MAY-DAY MAY-DAY there would have been no confusion, though note my comment about PAN-PAN.

[@wizerdjuice9589]

Well done by the crew and ATC.

[@RLTtizME]

@@sylviaelse5086 No. You just made that up. There is no factual proof of that.

[@MrRadarrat]

Having been a controller what you don't hear are the other 30 aircraft he's talking to, the coordination going on its nowhere as neat and tidey as these clips

[@Joe-Guybee]

The length of 31L must be classified.

[@t.p.mckenna]

'Er, excuse me, sir ... that information is on a strictly need-to-know basis. What is your need to know? Please advise.'

[@ailivac]

"You're 10 miles from MEALS" But we're hungry now!!

[@t.p.mckenna]

Unfortunately this is one of those 'aaarghhhh!!!' exchanges when you just want to scream out and say, 'oh, for pity's sake ... someone!! ... Please!!! Just give the man some GODDAM yardage!!'

[@Rosarium2007]

2:10 - sounds like tower repeated amount of fuel back wrong and then later asks about fuel again, only in time.

[@Supernova_sapiens]

Doesn't the Kennedy Approach controller sound like the folksy controller from Die Hard 2?

[@MattyEngland]

"We're gonna need tugging off on arrival

[@blockbertus]

"Could you take the highspeed exit with your inop nose wheel steering?!" Both ATCs were kinda all over the place here.

[@amb865]

Could you imagine the PA announcement? “All right - once we land, I need all passengers to unbuckle, run to the right side and leannnnn - maybe we’ll make the high speed exit.”

[@RLTtizME]

I think the commenters missed your mirthful innuendo.

[@amb865]

@@RLTtizME or chose to ignore it!

[@RLTtizME]

@@amb865 Humorless twits. Stiffs.

[@chrisschack9716]

Heading 090 looks correct to me, possibly they missed one of the previous turns. Judging this from JFK's runways and the angle the later heading 150 makes.

[@josephroberts6865]

I agree. Magnetic headings are much different than true headings or grid headings. The isogonic lines of variation on a VFR Sectional show the difference from true course to magnetic course (or heading after adjusting for compass deviation) that result in a significant shift with east isogonic variation being subtracted from true course and west isogonic variation being added.

[@elainecolling6883]

THESE PILOTS HAVE A GREAT RESPONSIBLITY TO MAKE SURE ALL PEOPLE COME TO SAFETY GIVE SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS TO THEM THEY GO THROUGH MANY HOURS OF TRAINING WORKING TOGETHER IS VERY SERIOUS TO ACQUIRE A SAFE LANDING🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊❤️❤️🙏🙏

[@brmam1385]

It’s always astonishing to me how clear & calm pilots sound when there’s big trouble going on.👍♥

[@jillcrowe2626]

These men and women are cut from a different cloth than you and me.

[@buckmurdock2500]

nose wheel steering is not exactly a life threatening situation.

[@teamscrew]

I’m curious how they would know they have an inoperable nose wheel while they’re in the air?

[@golfkid333]

Me too

[@rdspam]

My first thought reading the summary/intro. I assume they got a warning/alert - slow hydraulic leak that took time to trigger a sensor?

[@AviateNavigate671]

CRJ driver here! It’s not so much that the Control Unit knows that the NW Steering is inop, rather it senses an issue with some part of the aircraft that would cause the NW steering to become inop. So an issue with the hydraulic 3 system, the centering cam for the nose wheel (which is the device that keeps it centered while the NW is retracting), or even an issue with the Proximity Sensing Electronic Unit (PSEU; monitors the position of the landing gear) could all trigger a STEER INOP caution message

[@golfkid333]

@@AviateNavigate671 awesome! thank you!

[@pk7549]

NWS control unit failed, that's all.

[@atomicgiraffe250]

Forgive my ignorance... why does inoperate nose steering require an immediate return the airport? Couldn't they continue onto their destination and deal with it there, presumably with a much lighter fuel load?

[@saxmanb777]

Long runway, familiar airport, loss of hydraulic pressure…. Just better to get on the ground and not go to destination.

[@UnshavenStatue]

it's about length of runway, quality of emergency response on the ground, and to a lesser extent, maintenance. jfk surely has longer runways than laguardia or norfolk, and probably better emergency trucks than norfolk too. jfk is also likely a maintenace base for endeavour, but even without the maintenance factor, jfk or newark were clear best choices to handle a no-steering emergency and possible runway excursion.

[@yooein]

​@@UnshavenStatuealso you better have any passengers at an airport where you can put them on another plane than some random other airport.

[@luv2fly452]

It doesn't most of the time. But they probably talked to maintenance and flight control and the company determined it would be better to return to JFK. They probably had a spare aircraft at JFK which could make for an easy swap of aircraft.

[@johnburgess2084]

Knowing nothing about the CRJ, if the failure is due to a hydraulic problem, perhaps the problem could get worse as the flight continues. Better to land before more things break.

[@yooein]

JFK was surprisingly helpful. Could have been nicer, but they were extremely nice for JFK

[@kghjgjgjrfrty]

I could use a tug and pull

[@sylviaelse5086]

"... have a good day". What do you mean? He's already having a bad day.

[@holylee30]

from now on

[@yooein]

may the rest of your day be good after the mess

[@theshiningnova]

kinda curious how they know they have inoperable nose wheel half way through their climb. Does in-op nose wheel has any effect on their ability to fly to their destination?

[@AEMoreira81]

No ability to fly…just a problem on touchdown. The wheel well will have sensors.

[@saxmanb777]

It literally pops up on their screen. NWS inop or something like that.

[@t_t5222]

Better and safer for everyone to land at a hub like new york right away. Destination might not have as good of emergency services if something does go wrong and if something as important as nose wheel steering breaks, there's a high chance that more is gonna break soon.

[@danielmillard-g4t]

In this scenario it was better to divert to JFK. The procedure for this issue requires the use of the longest runway available. JFK has longer runways than LGA. Both airport are a Base for Endeavor, once the plan lands it will need to be repaired before it can be flown again. Norfolk has contract maintenance available that can do minor repairs and deferments. For this issue though if the plane where to continue to Norfolk and the Plane would be stuck there until Endeavor could send maintenance down with the right parts. Additionally Delta should be able to rebook passengers to their destination from JFK.

[@FeNite8]

​@@danielmillard-g4tNorfolk also has a very short runway due to construction

[@imaPangolin]

So in a crj you get this typically with a gear disagree on retraction or with a hydraulic system 3 failure. I’ve had it with a mis rigged proximity sensor. Anything with gear in a crj is 200 kts max and 10000. There’s a breaker that can be reset (on the ground) to get the steering back if it’s PSEU (proximity sensor electronic unit) and you can use rudder to take a high speed. Now if it’s a hydraulic system 3 failure that’s different. No steering. Lucky to have the gear down. Hyd 3 is main gear extension with gravity and hyd 2 assist for the backup extension. The request for longest rwy likely means hyd 3 fail as that would be flaps 20 and a higher approach speed. Also 68 pax with 8000 pounds of fuel is close to max landing weight. The whole runway length discussion is amateur hour. They have JFK charts. Their ACARS landing data will have the lengths as well. Even with flaps 20 and increased landing distance for no inboard brakes and partial ground lift dump any JFK runway works.

[@FeNite8]

31L had construction so they were trying to get the actual landing distance...which atc never gave

[@pk7549]

Then wouldn't they declare a hydraulic failure?

[@luv2fly452]

@@pk7549 It wasn't a hydraulic problem. It was a Nose Wheel Steering Inop problem. Which for all practical purposes is not a big problem.

[@albertotognoni4819]

Why they declare Emergency for nearly all sorts of flight control problems

[@sylviaelse5086]

We criticise pilots for being unwilling to declare a timely emergency, but in this case, with a nose-wheel inoperative, I'd have thought PAN-PAN was more appropriate.

[@amb865]

Maybe the airline procedures require that they declare emergency in this situation instead of priority handling. JFK ground crew seemed to do a good job of handling once the plane landed

[@RLTtizME]

You already posted this. Come on now. Pan pan on outta here.

[@sylviaelse5086]

@@RLTtizME This was my first PAN-PAN comment relating to this incident.

[@RLTtizME]

@@sylviaelse5086 Mayday...Pan......same issue.

[@saxmanb777]

@@RLTtizMEpan pan is the ICAO standard cooking bacon.

[@XPoChangLinX]

The pilot and his non-standard phraseology... not great.