Ending the Manual Machining vs CNC Debate | Vlog #74

[@planeflyer21]

I went through the local college's MTT-Manual program. Got hired to run CNC, as industry focuses primarily on production. The 1st shop used a few manual machines for various prototyping and limited production but money was CNC. The biggest issue I saw was machinists wanting to hoard their knowledge and skills, not wanting to pass it on. This concept was summed up years later in one statement from a machinist: "The only thing I've ever seen two machinists agree on, is that a third machinist is doing it the wrong way." Keep doing what you are doing brother!

[@christurnblom4825]

lol I'm less than a year out of machining school but I've been slowly working up to the skill set for 20 years, I guess you could say. I had 7 instructors total and I can't coun't how many times I was told to do something one way and then another instructor would come by and either have me do it another way or I'd dicker with him, mentioning the previous instructors instructions to me, attempting to prevent him from having me start over.

[@kevinc9006]

Yep ..and don't change another man's code....they get pissed, trust me...😜😜😜

[@CNCGuy]

@@kevinc9006 Unless your knocking out 16 minutes in a cycle time and saving boat loads of tools because the previous programmer was old school and doesnt adapt ;)

[@kevinc9006]

@@CNCGuy I just watch them guys at work have pissing contest...and it's funny

[@CNCGuy]

@@kevinc9006 I dont have that luxury. lol And in my case, the previous programmers were Haas employees. Which was before I was hired as "manager" of cnc department. I took inspiration from Titans channel... My boss is stoked we run 304L stainless at 71 ipm .0625 woc 390 sfm with .5 4 flute from Guhring and AZA... lol

[@markmall5757]

Depends on the environment you in and type of work you doing .All shops I’ve been in have had manuals for the one off type jobs and it’s convenient to do something quickly on a manual perhaps like making a fixture plate etc . Perhaps one shouldn’t split the discipline but combine them and and integrate it all .I know if I didn’t I wouldn’t be employed.

[@AlexLancashirePersonalView]

Our shop used CNC for batch work and we had older manual machines for the one offs. Up to 1 ton mainly in cast iron.

[@coffeebuzzz]

Manual is fine for repair and maintenance. CNC is the only way for manufacturing.

[@theworkshopmechanicchannel3296]

coffeebuzzz Exactly. Boom 🤭

[@ericspda]

I would say manual is quite a bit superior for most repair and maintenance, or those simple one off jobs where you need a few surfaces touched. One glance at a 30 taper machine running parts in 6061 with dialed in programming, and you know that one machine replaces 20-50 manual machinist for production.

[@ericspda]

shawn hughes Absolutely. Simple operations are where manual machines excel, even if there’s a bunch of parts. The setup time is no joke for a new part in a CNC. But the market for square bits with a few holes and loose tolerances is very limited. There’s a time and place for both.

[@AS-3D]

exactly! And one off!

[@chraven69]

No. Thats compleatly wrong. There is a hell load of parts that made on manual machines still. And most of what can be done now was done on manual machines before cn / cnc came about. Learning the craft of machining before you go on a nc / cnc is a major must. You have to develop a base line before you add the nc / cnc part to the mix. End of. To say its just used for repair is completely wrong.

[@AlexLancashirePersonalView]

Coming from manual after 30 years to CNC I loved it. I like the way you can create shapes and finishes so easily on CNC with consistency.

[@valmorecaron9685]

Titan your the man !!! Just started watching your videos a couple weeks ago. Your so inspirational and I love how you show and speak the truth about the trade. Cnc Machining has made me who I am today. Growing up as a dyslexic was a huge struggle for me but Machining help me in so many ways. Watching your videos you have energized me to push forward with my goals of running my own machine shop. I program and run two vmc cnc machines in my garage . Still work full time 55 hours a week machine but hopefully one day I can do it on my own!! Boom !!!! Love ya brother!!!

[@TITANSofCNC]

Love you too Brother... Thank you

[@TheRuobi]

I have been at the company I work at now, for almost 2 years (2 years in may). In the first year I have worked on 2 different machines, a Mazak and a Hartford (Fanuc control) and after that 1 year that I have been hired, my boss decided to put me to run our first 5 axis machine (3+2) (Hermle c800u). I have never worked on a cnc or a manual mill or lathe before, and haven't really touched the manual machines at our shop since they hired me because there is no need to. I love this job so much and seeing other people as passionate about this trade as I am makes me incredibly happy. Thanks for the work that you do, Titan and co!

[@helicopterjohns]

Hi, I see your VISION. It is your son. You must be extremely proud of him. You have to move with the times. Example, I grew up during the typewriter age. They were great but when computers finally arrived they became obsolete. No more white out, no more having to retype entire documents just because you needed to add a paragraph or two, spell check etc. etc. I went through the era at my job where we finally got rid of all the manual typewriters. A lot of great typists were really afraid of the computers at first but most of them quickly adapted to the new technology. The same thing is going to happen with manual machine tools. That doesn't mean that the people to operate them are not extremely intelligent, it means they now have the opportunity to make items faster, more accurate and allows Americans to again become the giants of manufacturing. You and your son are on the right track. Embrace new technology! Thanks for what you and your son are doing for manufacturing in the USA! John

[@X_Studios]

Button pushers knob turners were all Craftsman in our own way

[@jordanhillis1315]

You're doing good for America. Not all shops can afford new machines. For someone like me who writes programs for old CNCs on notepad it was daunting to make the jump to cad cam. Your stuff helps like nothing else I've come across. Even though I can't run long programs on our old equipment the principles I have learned about pushing the machines to increase efficiency have taken our shop a long way. All of the comprehensive programs you have for free on your website.. you're doing this to benefit our country and our industry. Thank you for doing what you're doing.

[@fredrikl2594]

Congratulations on reaching 100,000 subscribers !!!

[@TheAefril]

Congratulations from me too, but the count is now - up to 125,000 subscribers. Go you good thing - Titan! Cheers from Sydney/ Australia.

[@jdholbrook33]

I bypassed the manual machining thing and went straight to CNC. Now my shop pumps out beautiful, in spec parts all day!! BOOM!

[@keithlane4343]

I've done both manual and CNC machining, full time for 40 years (yikes !!!). I have been a second shift production manager / foreman / machinist / programmer for over 30 years. I think, in my humble opinion, doing what you guys are doing is great. Teach CNC to get young people out on the shop floor, making good money, so they gain confidence. I like to encourage people to use the manual machines both for secondaries on production runs, as well as home projects for their hot rods, boats, or ???. I've seen how their CNC work improves when they have spent some time on manual equipment. If you can figure out how to make a part manually, it will make your CNC methodizing much better. Using datum surfaces to stop from, so everything is correct, and to print when it's all done for example. The biggest area that needs work for new machinists, I think, is correct work hold. Whether that be a vise, fixture plate, or whatever. Not enough time is spent teaching young people the art of work holding. They won't know unless they are taught, but they have to be receptive to learning. People come in to my shop with five years experience, and they do set-ups where they have the toe of clamps higher than the heal, and they have the 1/2-13 nuts tightened down on studs only catching two threads. That set up has no holding power, and it'll strip out the top threads of your studs, and if your lucky, what they were machining didn't fly off the table and bang up the inside of the machine, and ruin an expensive part. Drives me nuts. What you are doing is awesome for the trade. Bringing manufacturing home when possible. Creating skilled machinists for a whole new generation of manufacturers. Take care

[@thegeneral7484]

You are 100% correct.

[@macmcmillen6282]

Very informative video. As an older tech worker (software development) who is having a difficult time finding work due to some age bias, I've been looking into perhaps reinventing myself as a CNC Machinist. Titan's approach to learning makes a lot of sense to me.

[@danielmoore949]

I’ve over twenty five years started with tape turn NC lathes, and your advice is always kissed properly and touched just to make sure We can only hope to help whom ever listens

[@TiMechOfficial]

Gratulation from an Industrial Mechanic from Germany :D Because of you i learned a lot about self Motivation and resistance against people who want hold you back

[@murrayedington]

Amazing times and just wonderful to see such a commitment to the next generation starting out. Fantastic to see the material you are producing!! I'd love to be born again and start from today, the future is so exciting and you are driving it!

[@richhuntsd12]

Good Morning. I have been manual machining since 1974. Started out at a big factory in the machine shop. I had the best Boss possible, I learned Turning, Milling, Tool grinding , Surface grinding, Sawing. I absolutely fell in love with machining. I started my own business in 1982. All I was able to afford at the time was manual machines. I built the company up with the help of 14 employees for over 26 years. In 1998, I purchased my first CNC machine. I did not even own a computer. A Haas VF-3. Talk about feeling stupid. This was all uncharted ground for me. I am here to tell you that there will always be a need for Manual machining and that is a fact, many shops pay the manual machinists more than the CNC guys. What Titan is trying to get thru to everyone is that CNC is the way of the Future. I picked up CNC programming, setup and operations in no time. No, I am not that smart, just have tons of manual machining experience, I just tried to program the machine to do what I would do manually, except now I had endless possibilities for speeds and feeds. WOW!!! The lights came on real quick. I now have a One Man Shop with four CNC machines and no employees. It's not for everyone but it is where I am at at this point in my career. The kids now a days can really excel in the CNC trade. They have all been using computers since 1st grade. Come on Guys, don't be afraid of the unknown. take the building Blocks classes and see if you don't learn something. I would bet money if you are Honest with yourself you will be Blown away. The entire machining world is awesome, so let's all pull together and quit worry about which type of machining is more important or more useful. It's all important.

[@thegeneral7484]

There are two different types of machinist. One is in manufactured goods. One is for repairs to a part and one off parts for the repair. I think Titan is talking about manufactured goods. Not equipment repair like at a factory the makes potato chips.

[@ClockwerkIndustries]

I don't consider myself a machinist but I run a small business in my garage, I operate a Tormach 770m, a DIY CNC Router, DIY Co2 laser, DIY 3d printer, I also have a manual mill and anodize my own parts, I 3d model design my own products and custom parts for customers, I also program my machines, I set them up, fixture them, maintain them, I do everything I know my shop inside and out. I do all my products on the CNC, but the manual mill is so handy to have but i would never be able to make $ with it using it to make my parts but I wouldn't want to ever get rid of it I use it almost daily also for some small second op things it is super handy. Either way, I love this channel and ones like it, super inspiring! One day I'll be upgraded to a Mori and a Datron! BOOM! Get after it!

[@aces6123]

I work with both. i work in a research and development sector, I've actually use CNC majority of the time for one ofs, it does a fine job on complex jobs and allows me to machine a fixture out of one solid billet.

[@adambergendorff2702]

Love your tutorials, Thank You Have a manual lathe and mill, when I got my first cnc router it was an eye opener to what I could build!

[@rodneycarpenter3253]

I started CNC machining back in the 80s took me all the way through to retirement love it still love it have my own CNC it's now my hobby still Loving it

[@shardgaming9246]

Learning CNC machining has not only opened up many opportunities in the machining field but I also started applying that knowledge in 3D art design as well. Now thanks to a skill I started learning at the age of 16 twenty years ago, i can take that skill any apply it into game design as well!! If I had of known then my love for machining would one day help with my love for gaming man who knows where I would have ended up now and where I will end up in the future! So to all my brothers and sisters out there sharing my love for machines keep on milling, drilling and thrilling!

[@DjRjSolarStar]

I learned manual first at my trade school for the first semester and then CNC for the remaining three semesters. I don't regret learning manual first and think it was an important foundation. I bought a small manual mill for my apartment a year later and thanks to what I learned in school I was able to get started on it quickly and within 6 months made enough money from contracts to pay off the machine, helping a few local small businesses get started by making their prototypes. My primary limitation with CNC is that they are too heavy/big for me to get into my second floor apartment, and it's a big leap where you make enough per month to afford an industrial space, but I'm working on that goal.

[@MisterNico101]

im a cnc student a combat vet needing this job I show respect then funny thing I get it back.. but this cnc is very complex and challenging with 7 more months until my first certification gig lets Go!

[@alexgregg2466]

100% agree, I started 10 years ago and I'm now an RnD cnc machinist and do some pretty serious stuff, program everything at the machine, spec and order all my own tooling and materials and I didn't touch a manual machine for probably the first 6 years. I can now use them but barely touch at all.

[@renaissanceman5847]

worked with both. CNC is awesome once you get it setup right. BUT crashing a CNC is a whole different animal compared to crashing a manual machine and damage can be extremely expensive on a CNC that can result in not only broken tooling, but broken fixture, broken servos etc. Often times one off simple parts are simply faster and more cost effective to make on a manual. a shop should never discount the importance of a manual system as if can only add value to even the most advanced CNC shops.

[@williamromine6277]

Hey Titan I want to thank you I’m recently disabled and can’t work and even though I can figure this CAD out very well it has given me something to do to keep from loosing my mind not being able to work I was a truck driver for 30 years and I remember every advancement in the trucking industry getting fought by older drivers and I will tell you that I would not want to go back to spring ride mechanical trucks that we had in the 80s they were great then but the trucks now are so much more comfortable and driver friendly than the trucks of old Have a great day

[@michaelwhite6110]

I completely agree. I went to tech school for mold making and tool and die. I never got a job making molds or dies, but my career is i CNC programming. I wish that there could be a 4 year bachelors degree in cnc manufacturing, tooling theory, setup theory. Colleges are missing the boat in my opinion.

[@russel6190]

I don't often get on my soapbox to have a say. But after reading the comments and watching the videos. I think that this argument is as old as the one of which was first the chicken or the egg. And at the end of the day what does it matter? Titan I agree with both sides of the coin. What it really boils down to is there is a time and place for both machines. And the skills learnt on either, is applicable to different industries. It is as you have been saying you are opening up the next generation's eyes to the future of manufacturing. And a lot of the basic fundamentals are very much the same. There will always be a place in industry for manual machines, not like you are going to start up a dmu80 to drill a pcd into flange. Just like you not going to make aerospace part on a bridgeport mill. It is really simple. If you want to do machine on cnc, you will need to learn. And if you want to learn manual machining you will need to learn. Some of the skills and knowledge learnt, can be used on both sides. But it is still skills and knowledge that one has to learn.

[@BMRStudio]

When we will see a Abom79 VS TITAN video? Oxtool Tom, This Old Tony and AvE must be the judges :))))))))

[@bobbywright3479]

Being willing and wanting to learn new skills is the only way to advance. Having an open mind is the most important thing. There should not be any room for this is the only way to do something. I have been machining for 38 years and started out sawing material and deburring parts. I currently run Mazak vertical mills and Haas lathes. I program at the machine except for features that are complicated and make sense to do on the computer. I continually learn something almost every day. You can take a little bit of knowledge from everyone you meet.

[@Fixing-and-making-things]

I run a mazak conversational machine, what’s your thoughts on a g and m code machine vs. conversational machines?

[@FastSloW-qt8xf]

Whats the best way to get my feet wet in cnc ? Ive owned a lathe and mill for about 10 years now. Im do it as a hobby and make a few dollars here and there but would love to step up my game. The idea of learning to write code is just daunting for me

[@henryhunter1522]

Love the videos titan they are all so educational and inspirational. I myself just started working in a small shop as a precision surface grinder and would love nothing more then to work my way to become a machinist!

[@glennedward2201]

Titans, Very Valuable point the more that stays here in the USA the better we and our economy thrives. What 5 axis CAM do you use?

[@misteragb7558]

How is it not 3 million subscribers already. Manual machining has it's place, but (my) education has tought me to do CNC machining in 2.5 years (so primarily manual machining), Titan does it in months.

[@alexkern9134]

I lead a medical device prototype team. Can't argue with the middle ground between cnc and manual- conversational. We do some crazy work, crazy fast, through conversational programming. Obviously it has its limitations, but usually it is faster for a couple parts. Cnc and manual backgrounds both help a lot.

[@tannerhoward5974]

Where I'm at we regularly make parts in quantities from 4 to 30, an occasional 100 on manual knee mills because they think it is faster; we have 2 hurco VMC cnc mills that are rarely used -maybe for a hole or radius- then back to manual.

[@TITANSofCNC]

Learn and advance past it...

[@nickmegerte]

Titan i trying to get into this field. What metal should I focus on working with first?

[@xXKilUmaXx]

I've been doing CNC since 2004. But I still enjoy using a solid bridgeport. It's just fun.

[@BenAtTheTube]

I agree with what Titan says, but I run manual machines all day in a CNC machine shop. We have structural parts that need tapped holes in the ends and edges, that will not fit vertically on the CNC machines. So the CNC machines including laser/waterjet cutters do much of the work, and I do part of it manually clamped on the side of the high knee mill table.

[@dm_sliderrr6946]

Manual is great for Introduction. Crashing a CNC constantly while training new users would be very costly. Teach the fundamentals of tooling and feeds and speeds etc. On manuals but other than repair jobs and milling flats on some tooling they're not worth it in industry. CAD/CAM skill will out value manual machining skill in modern machining. Honestly even for milling flats or quick fixes using and having knowledge of G code and mdi saves me time. Once I fixture the tool properly I manually jog the machine into position and just run a repeating small program in incremental. Manual for for beginners classes CNC for everything after

[@starshart2422]

What is a good surface foot for general stainless. I have a 3inch kennametal 6 carbide insert dodeka with through coolant. I'm trying to be the beat at my shop and blow their minds but I can't figure out a good sfm or feed per tooth.. for roughing and finish and the have the inserts. last forever. Using a haas vf5

[@corrodedsanity4648]

New subscriber i run old school lathe but i would love to learn cnc yes please much respect to you Titans of cnc

[@billcorrigan8456]

Titan what is the number one trait of your best employee

[@TITANSofCNC]

Honest, Simply Being Nice... and Passionate. Skills come second.

[@EJL1081]

Can't wait for the Lathe Vids, That's what I primarily run and look forward to learning a few things. Love your Vids and keep up the good work.

[@ashleymccammon5145]

Come check out our machining program here at Idaho State University. We are starting our students on manual machine and finish them with programing and running 5 axis parts.

[@jylmachineshopvb]

Love the way you explain! I have a machine shop working there since I was 12 years old do you think you could shoo a old dog new tricks!

[@Kevin-fj5oe]

Well, my teacher realized the same thing. Instead of manual drawing and designing, he thinks that going straight into using software would makes us more competent in the long run, it's harder since our year is the first and we can't get references from the previous year, but i glad that he decided to convert to using software. For context I'm in civil engineering class, road geometry class

[@philipmacduffie7612]

Ive taught students in this field myself. If you get people who want to learn the sky is the limit. CNC, Manual, EDM, ect it doesn't matter. I however still disagree, CNC is the path to get a run done and make money. Manual machines still can do limited run work for pennies on the dollar. Need to do a one op complex angle drill/ream? Setup a custom fixture on a manual mill and do that 2nd op. Don't tie up a $100k spindle for that. Not every shop has angle gear boxes and multi axis capabilities. So when you are asking people to open their minds to new methods, keep yours open to consider not all shops have all tools. But you are damn right not to give up and turn work away. If that means bulk produce 1st op in your CNC, which is your primary money maker, and do some 2nd op setup in a manual mill then do it and get the money and make customers happy. That said I enjoy the videos and I agree students of CNC or not need real parts to learn on. You are not going to make brackets with two drilled holes, you are going to work forgings, castings, difficult materials, tight tolerances. If you were not going to be asked to do that, they would have someone with minimal oversight and questionable quality make it in china for a lot cheaper than you cost. You have to bring value to the process and you do that with your knowledge and experience. Only way to get that is to do it.

[@kcpstudio]

Here’s how you end the discussion. Both machines have their place. I have both cnc and manual(converted to cnc but still full manual as well) and i utilize both. Take a machinist who only knows manual and take a cnc machinist who never ran manual and give them a series of various tasks. At some point the manual machinist will top out where the cnc machinist is just warming up. You can solve some complex geometry on a manual but that only goes so far. I challenge any manual only machinist to prove me wrong.

[@marc-antoinethebeautiful7714]

Just Had my First Customer Yesterday Manual Milling 4 axis job. BOOM !!! On My way to my First CNC.

[@alexkern9134]

Man Titan, can you do a video (maybe with your two managers too) about how you deal with employees who arent "getting it?" Maybe someone who is slow, maybe someone who doesnt listen to the instructions, maybe someone who cleans their machine, cleans the floor, cleans the part, ect. before loading and starting a new part, maybe someone who shows up late every day? I find it is very challenging to help these folks achieve greatness. I want to help them get to the next level!

[@philipmacduffie7612]

Ever consider they are stopping you from getting to the next level? Ever sit down with them and tell them that? I do have some suggestions: "how you deal with employees who arent "getting it?" Maybe someone who is slow" Better yet assess if they even want to go further. If they don't, its your job to make the hard call to use them where they can succeed or replace them. "maybe someone who doesnt listen" Are they simply not understanding or just flat out belligerent? If they don't understand but they want to, you have an easy path to greatness raise them up and they will be grateful. If they do understand but don't care, you probably cant fix that. If they do understand and are actually doing this because they disagree, then they are keeping others down, and they have to go. "maybe someone who cleans their machine, cleans the floor, cleans the part, ect. before loading and starting a new part," Production is paramount and second only to quality. If you cant make a quality part and do it effectively there wont be a place for either of you for long. Time to explain to them that the green light blinking means money is being made; the real reason this business pays you. Cleaning the floor, machine, and work area is important because you and they should have pride in this shop, the shop that gives value to your customers, and feeds you and your family. All that happens after we take pride in getting a customers order made on time. If the light is on, and you are not inspecting; then use that pride in your place to keep it looking the way it should. My favorite suggestion is schedule a cleaning time each day. Like from 4-430 all hands on deck clean and make the place look right.

[@dylanholt1929]

hey Titan, I think a video on the details of how you develop speeds and feeds for a tool would be interesting. For example I buy a new aluminium roughing tool, I have the manufacturers recommended speeds and feeds for that tool, how do I take those specs and optimise them to get the best out of the machine and the tool?

[@seanosborne8636]

If it breaks turn the spindle speed up or reduce the cut. If it chatters and screams slow spindle down and turn feed up. Change tool length if those don't help. You have to make the adjustments while cutting to hear what sounds best. Also, what makes a proper chip.

[@seanosborne8636]

That's a simple answer. Experience will teach you the rest.

[@JULIANAKATICO]

Hey Titan, I’ve seen you use the 3D Connection Space Mouse. Could you make a video on your opinion on the mouse?

[@robertburns2415]

I learned my trade basically from my father. He worked as a tool and die maker for General Electric for 45-plus years. I have currently held my present job for 37 years. My first experience with CNC was with a Bandit control on a Bridgeport 2 milling machine. For me it was kind of like imagining watching someone else satisfy my wife. It gave me an empty feeling like I was obsolete. I never want that experience again. I guess what I am trying to say we all have our place and that skilled Craftsman are skilled Craftsmen and no one can take that away.

[@samboles3670]

I really couldnt of put it any better, actually enjoy programming CNC's, to a degree but running them is watching paint dry except for the first run.

[@mathewhowell3720]

Hey Titan, can you do a video showing us how do you set up your tool storage area with storage containers and such. Right now I'm in a shop that has tools scattered everywhere and I would like to introduce some organization. What are your suggestions?

[@phillipmakela1378]

As a machinist with 10 years under my belt I feel like I'm behind in the CNC side of machining, it's the future, and you're right by saying to start them in CNC and can easily train the manual side from there!

[@davidsampl7258]

What do you think is the best starter CNC

[@TITANSofCNC]

Tormach if your working in your garage and don’t have huge money and customers.... Haas if you have customers and a plan

[@ThAtGuY-u9d]

I’d like to know how a small shop like mine that has some CNC but mostly manuals is able to take that first step into getting into the higher end CNC machines/work. Seem to get stuck with that you need the machines to get the work, but need the work to be able to afford the machines. I really appreciate the time you take to make these videos furthering the trade.

[@Brenkeeno]

What's the best advice you can give a beginner ?

[@TITANSofCNC]

Watch all my Vlogs and devour our Free academy.titansofcnc.com

[@Brenkeeno]

@@TITANSofCNC thanks for the reply. I will check it out.

[@lupinlux]

Personally I think having a small bit of manuals is important. In my course we start on manuals for a semester, iv all ready had a few months on a hass for a few months so I really wanted to just blow it off but stuck it out and I’m happy I did. I think feeling everything from moving the knee up to make contact with the part or bring the quill down and feeling it make contact gives your brain a better idea. That and having an appreciation for what we used to use to what we have now is important as well. I dont think we should waste a whole year on just manuals but it still should be a start. I understand wanting really get ppl started right on 3 axis and quickly into 5 but I think I’m the long game teaching ppl how to be patient comes from running manuals. Also some ppl need that path as well to get started, some can’t just jump right in on a cnc and some can. But that’s just me

[@bob778_6]

To be honest my entire career so far has been on CNC machines & the only manual work I can do is jobbing where i need to make things like bungs for various parts, it is still useful due to the speed you can do a quick job otherwise it is obsolete in terms of manufacturing small-large quantities of parts.

[@JohnJohnson-hb1jf]

it is best to be able to run manual AND cnc.

[@mustafaalzarkany1992]

What computer parts do you use to design.

[@CaallMeeMrrD]

Hi Titan, have you had any experience on metal 3D printing? are they coming to replace our job in the future? what is your thought on this topic. thank you and i really appreciate every video you made, keep it up.

[@unacceptableminority7101]

It isn't going to replace it. It will maybe replace a bunch of it but mostly add to it.

[@casinoroyal93]

It is slow process

[@hovh03]

If someone wants to learn manual, they can "also" do it. I own manual lathe and mill. But nothing wrong with learning CNC. Like you said, it's the next step and we all need to be competitive or we'll be out. Besides, they share a lot in common, as you said.

[@PreciStrike_96]

I think there are definitely some skills to be gained from manual machining and it still has it's place. But let's be honest, CNC isn't the future, it's the NOW! The capabilities of CNC can not be met by even the most advanced manual Machinist! Can it be done manually? Yeah, probably with a ton of setup. Will it be profitable? Probably not. You can do anything manually on a CNC and probably far faster and more repeatable.

[@Birb_of_Judge]

I am currently learning the job of tool mechanic (in the first year) and I am learning on a conventionell mill and lathe to learn the materials, get a feeling for feed speeds and rpm.

[@fabianmartinez39]

titan how did you get started how did you learn about cncing

[@kylerkrull5145]

He started out as a saw guy in a Machine shop in California after moving from Hawaii.

[@Thor_b]

I fucking love the way he pronounces words #button

[@TITANSofCNC]

Raised in Hawaii 🤙

[@Iceberg69420]

Hey Titan, Just curious if you have an EDM machine? I would love to see a video on it if you have one. I know they’re quite a bit slower than CNC machines but they obviously have their merits.

[@frankfelix5851]

I think it would be great to spend some time on CNC lathe work. Especially stuff that doesn't get a lot of attention such as chuck pressure, how to chuck up thin walled parts and not distort them etc..

[@fryer05maverick31]

A customer said, you don't weld. Nope sir I sure don't, that be a welding shop. That doesn't make my shop any less of a machine shop. It all depends were you work or the shop you have. I have 4 cnc mills w/4 & 5th axis & 2 cnc lathes w/ live tooling & Y axis . But I also have a manual mill & lathe. It's good to know and understand. To use if you need to make something simple. Not every shop you'll be employed by will have all the bells and whistles.

[@TheGame2side]

Yo Titan and everybody else in the comments! Quick question: do you find that running machines as they were intended to run wears them out prematurelly? I ask this because my foreman/programmer tells me not to run faster than he programmed, even though feeling the machines, both the tools and the machines seem to last longer and run better when going faster.

[@sam29-i3o]

I have the same problem, the programmer I work with just wants a steady life and bad mouthed me to our MD because "I'm going to break the machine" he came down and watched me work for an hour running the machines my way, he looked at the load meter on all three of my machines, said "there's no problem here don't worry about it" now all the machines in the shop run to 'my' speeds and feeds, the company is making profit, I'm busier because of the shorter cycle times, the day goes quicker and I'm sitting in on meetings with customers helping solve problems. Try talking to your boss and see what he says, it couldn't have worked better for me. Hope it all gets sorted mate Take care, from England

[@joshua43214]

I just wanted to say thank you for helping make America great

[@Kosmonooit]

Yes but ... having some hands-on training with hand tools and manual machining can be very valuable. For example I seen others spend way too much time setting / programming up a CNC machine just to drill and tap a hole, ONE hole, once off on a fixture, when that could have been done in 10 mins with a drill press and a set of hand taps. These modern machines are fantastic but sometimes some simple hands-on manual methods are more appropriate I believe. Or are we becoming deskilled to the point where that is not possible, and can only fabricate via an expensive computerised machine?

[@charliemclaughlin1042]

What i have experienced is OK we will show you but make sure you run your manual machine wile you are trying to learn look up ameraforge that's how they work I've made really big parts for spacex

[@MoonInPisces1962]

The United States really needs to define a national machining apprenticeship program for the 21st century.

[@rick371]

will you ever cover broaching?

[@Dr_Xyzt]

I think starting on CNC is the way to go for a lot of things. It's faster to drill, tap, and chamfer in a CNC. Plus, you can cut angles and rough without splashing coolant everywhere. -- Manual lends itself to repair work and unwieldy parts. -- Many machinist challenges go to the engineers not grasping what things are practical. Back in college, a lot of classmates made designs with curved surfaces that needed to be ball-milled, so their projects got declined. I didn't buy enough material for my part, so even on a CNC, we had to fixture it 4 times! If I had gotten thicker material, we could have just machined it in a vise, then flip it and deck it. I had nice loose tolerances, but the total package needed more thought. In retrospect, I could have done the whole thing in 2D and had a better result. Plus, 2024 would have been better than 6061.

[@savvysymbiont]

Titanium for teens! TITAN!!!!!!

[@TITANSofCNC]

That could be our giving back campaign to get students cutting titanium

[@ssttuardo]

God bless you Titan

[@tanneranthony475]

Thanks for your help with talking about different things and it really helps with my machinist class

[@DIY3DTECHcom]

When I was in school I started with a slide rule, today I work with massive HPC computing clusters an even yes quantum computers. So do I tell my grandson he has learn how use the slide ruler to understand math? The answer is no, and the same holds true for CNC as you still need to understand the math and guess what when you start thinking in 5 axis it gets even harder!

[@enriqueavila8669]

At work I recently just started on a Doosan Puma tt2500sy.. pretty neat

[@Pickles12555]

See around where I live it’s almost all manual. Each shop may have a old mazak or something. But that guy that runs it has ran it for 30 years. So in a 50 mile radius of my home it’s mostly manual machine shops. There are probably a couple cnc shops. But not many.

[@AFierce0ne]

Much respect Titan, you make me proud to be in the machining industry!

[@bakedtoasty]

It's good to the skills on manual machinery

[@vaughndavies9531]

just subscribed. legend advice and awesome show.

[@hellbounddeciple]

As both a Manual and a CNC Machinist I have to agree that both are Machinist in my book. I draw the line and feel like its a slap in the face to people like me and the past when you get a Production operator calling themselves a Machinist just because they push the Green and Red Buttons. Im third Generation in the tool and die industry and proud of what I do and what my family has done before me. Just a shame when people think they are one when they can't even quote me what a G0 or M03 is.

[@dennishall5006]

It's about to get crazy.... It's about to go down....

[@TITANSofCNC]

BOOM!

[@dennishall5006]

@@TITANSofCNC Titan, Thanks for everything your doing for the NC Culture! You've helped my career tremendously!!!

[@331982chris]

In my opinion, every future machinist should spend a couple of weeks on a manual. Just for getting a feel and respect for the forces coming across on milling machines. CNCs won't tell you that the drives could push up to a ton or above. And a little manual teaches, that not for every little operation a program is needed.

[@SH-pc4xt]

Don't disagree, but for those little operations, use conversational programming. Or just manual coding if you're good at it.

[@josephtharrison]

This is really cool. But where I work “Delaware Dynamics” they don’t really give us younger smarter generation a Chance to show ourselves. We constantly use HFM tool paths. Every time I mention high speed milling they look at me like it can’t be done. Sources:210p and 125monoblock

[@ChrisB89071]

Too often people's comfort zones determine what tool is right in their minds for a job instead of what really is. I love it when people throw out how long they've done something, like it's some sort of validation for doing it the same way all those years....

[@thechipwelder1253]

I didnt now the full potential of manual machining until recently. It is pretty much possible do do anything, but it often takes alot of different tools / equipment which can be expensive for an hobbyist + experience and time. I think a combination of cnc and manual machining is the way to go when it comes to manufacturing. In some years I sucpect that creating a complicated parts only will be one click away on the computer. Some of the charm of CNC might dissaper then, so I wouldnt be suprised if manual machining will grow in the future. People might appreciate "Hand made" products, and the one that manufactured it actually did something more than just pressing click on the mouse. Dont get me wrong, I love CNC. But part of what I like is that it actually takes some thinking. When it will get to easy I think I will go all in for manual maching, as a hobbyist so to say.

[@Francis362003]

I would love to see you do a Gear on CAD and then CAM to CNC

[@moritzkrebs2107]

Is there no such thing as a regulated apprenticeship programm in the USA.

[@dojahmastah7156]

Titan brings the hype!

[@notalizardperson]

I've long been of the opinion that what makes a good machinist isn't whether or not they are an expert operator on a particular machine, but their knowledge of fixturing and workholding and the ability to actually execute it. CNC requires more skill in this respect, not less.