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Ending The Tragedy of The Commons
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The Nobel-prize winning economist argues that, contrary to the widespread theory, with the right governance, humans are likely to forge peaceful solutions to coping with resource scarcity.
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Elinor Ostrom:
Elinor Ostrom was awarded the 2009 Nobel Memorial Prize in the Economic Sciences for her analysis of economic governance and commons law. She is the Arthur F. Bentley Professor of Political Science and Co-Director of the Workshop in Political Theory and Policy Analysis at Indiana University in Bloomington and Research Professor and the Founding Director of the Center for the Study of Institutional Diversity at Arizona State University in Tempe. She received her B.A., M.A., and Ph.D from UCLA and is the author of numerous books, including "Understanding Institutional Diversity."
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TRANSCRIPT:
Question: Can you explain your work regarding the tragedy of the commons?
Elinor Ostrom: Well, Mensor, no, sorry, not Mensor, he came later, Gerharten wrote a very stirring article in 1968, published in science, and he imagined a pasture opened to all and posited that if that were the case, then everyone would bring their animals on and they would keep bringing more and more and more and they would eventually overuse the commons. What he went on to say was that they were trapped and could not themselves get out of it. And what our theoretical work and empirical work has shown, is that in many instances, but not all, people have found ways of agreeing on their own rules and extracting themselves from the problem.
Question: Is there an alternative to top-down government or free market solutions?
Elinor Ostrom: Yeah. This is the, this concept of polycentricity of enabling both market and governments at multiple scales to interact with community organization so that we have a complex nested system. and it ain't pretty in the sense that it's nice and neat and many people have tried to get rid of creative solutions that are complex, but society is complex, people are complex. And for us to have simple solutions to complex problems, not a good idea.
Question: Can your research on the commons teach us about climate change?
Elinor Ostrom: If the community at play were only the entire planet and we simply wait until the big guys make a decision, we're in deep trouble. Our theoretical work on polycentricity here is very relevant in that while in any greenhouse gas omission, does have a global effect, it may also have, and usually does, local and regional effects. So we need to be thinking about how to enhance the ways of organizing around the local and regional so as to produce more externalities that are positive at the global.
Question: Have there been any particularly misguided government actions in this area?
Elinor Ostrom: Well, a great number of the policies laid down, let's take the policies for eastern Africa related to the pasture area that the Masai occupied. The Masai had been there for centuries and had figured out a way of grazing over a great distance so that in an area where the rainfall was limited and spotty, they were able to maintain that range land in very good form. It didn't look pretty, as that's the way it was, but if you graze down too far, and then you let some other things come up and don't graze in an area and you get big bushes, then you end up with ruining the functioning of it. Well, when the Brits came in, they gave half of it-well, I shouldn't say that, not half-they gave a very large segment away to colonial farmers and to set up a big reserve. The Kenyan government in the 1950's onward kept giving away, giving away, giving away. They finally created group ranches, but the group ranches weren't large enough to really enable them to maintain the kind of system that worked. They the have been privatizing themselves, the Masai, their land, so it would not be given away again by the government, and working out arrangements so that family and friends can share and they're recreating the movement of the cattle around, and Esther [IB] has done a wonderful job of studying this over time and they may, the local people may again find a way of coping with a very difficult and challenging environment.
Recorded on: October 25, 2009

[@derekyong8878]

Summary (I'm leaving this here as a personal note): 1. Based on her theoretical and empirical research, in many but not all instances, people have found ways to agree on rules that helped them escape the tragedy of the commons. 2. Intervention has to be complex, and occur at both the government and market levels. The tragedy of the commons is a complex problem which requires a complex solution. 3. Since global warming has effects on many small local communities and not just on a global scale, interventions can be made to tackle these, which will produce global externalities (this is called the 'polycentric approach').

[@themsuicjunkies]

Listening to Elinor Ostrom speak makes me have hope in humanity. Thats why I then turn on Bloomberg tv and watch Larry Summers and Lloyd Blankfein talk about how the world economy is doing great, killing all remaining hope and satisfiing my nihilistic thirst.

[@kevinschmidt2210]

The commons find no good use for self-defeatist attitudes.

[@moibe182]

Great contribution.

[@BadMouseProductions]

Poor lady died a few months later.

[@kevinschmidt2210]

Sure thing. Oops! It looks like you forgot to write a paper on your topic and provide the proof of your claim. Oh well, back to the drawing board with you. See you in a few years...

[@kevinschmidt2210]

I'm not the one who makes up the rules that determine how Nobel Prizes are chosen. Go complain to them about "technicality." If you can't find anyone to publish you paper, then your paper isn't worth anything, let alone a Nobel Prize. You may want to ask your friends if they think you are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

[@kevinschmidt2210]

You are silencing yourself by making claims without offering any proof, and instead, offering lame excuses for not doing so. Also, stop going off topic, that's another problem you have.

[@kevinschmidt2210]

It's not my fault you don't prescribe to the scientific method, which requires evidence to support your discovered hypothesis, whatever the hell that is, since all you have presented is an incoherent claim. Why so defensive? Why the deflection to an accusatory tone? Face it, you don't have any proof. Stop wasting my time.

[@kevinschmidt2210]

You have nothing, and you get nothing. Bye!

[@brainSull]

Why are the comments for this video so twisted? Those who are posting inappropriate, negative comments need serious help...

[@ericadamsZOW]

Wonderful.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

1:03 "top down government or free market" ... Those things are mutually exclusive. Diametrically opposed.

[@mybabysaidtome]

I'm trying to find the research docs she talks about at the end, how do you pronounce the person she is referring to? Esther Magni? Esther Maughny? Google isn't autocorrecting it for me aha

[@mybabysaidtome]

dw think I found it, if anyone else is curious its Esther Mwangi

[@sdohrn]

Esther Mwangi - www.cifor.org/scientific-staff-detail/2862/esther-mwangi

[@elisabettamori3732]

Thank you very much, I was starting the same research but I decided to scroll a little bit more before... :D

[@zombiecucake2013]

How in the world do I get an Exxon Mobil advertisement immediately before this Elinor Ostrom video 😂

[@magepunk2376]

Bottom line, it’s a “problem” that conveniently forgets that people can cooperate and work together for their common good.

[@Google_Censored_Commenter]

and sadly she also forgot that people cooperating and working together on solutions is literally what a government does. She's just giving it another name.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

​@@Google_Censored_Commenter Government causes more problems anyways. Communities are different feom Governments.

[@Google_Censored_Commenter]

@@silverhawkscape2677 are they really now? Do tell, whose electing the people in charge of governments? Who is it that delegate their power and decision making abilities to the government?

[@barnabasigari3109]

i think its part of a the problem that they cant communicate. if they can they would make some rules so its better for everyone

[@Kenneth_the_Philosopher]

If we had MORE women contributing to economics, we more than likely would NOT be at the brink of a global ecological disaster!

[@josbjosb1078]

She’s not a woman. She’s a turtle

[@CCRUEnthusist]

Retarded

[@ramkumarr1725]

Good

[@JBvB09]

Could someone give me more examples were the Tragedy of the Commons is solved by people themselves and not through government regulation?

[@casabonita1492]

For example the establishment of the government itself!

[@andrewprice8820]

Why don't you just read the work she's written... PS Don't you see the irony of the dichotomy you make between "government regulation" and "people themselves?" As if these are somehow different. That is very telling. And fascinating I might add.

[@kevinschmidt2210]

Co-ops and legitimate non-profit organizations.

[@Dan16673]

U will never care about a stranger or his possessions more then you and your own

[@jasoncortez367]

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[@Dan16673]

Uh huh. Right. If government did it right.

[@sd-xx8ep]

comrade stalin where are you

[@thegoodspringguy]

I can't believe how anyone with a brain can take the tragedy of the commons seriously.

[@floridaman7243]

Open fishing, poaching, Buffalo almost going extinct, lots of examples why

[@surviveinminecraft]

i bet she only won because she bored off all the other candidates and won by default

[@surviveinminecraft]

why did she win a nobel prize

[@tomaszwida]

because she proved that tragedy of the commons that is regarded by the cult of economics is bunch of theoretical BS that does not happen in real life...

[@surviveinminecraft]

my great grandma is dead

[@surviveinminecraft]

this lady looks like my great grandma

[@surviveinminecraft]

I ended up reading the transcript so i didnt have to listen to her

[@kevinschmidt2210]

I'm certainly glad I don't have to listen to you. Once I block you, I won't have to see your juvenile, trollish comments either.

[@surviveinminecraft]

I hope it gets taken down

[@surviveinminecraft]

i flagged this video as infringing my personal rights