Endorphin Pro 3 After 100 Miles - Still Great?

[@legswillmove]

Rather than the Elite, I'm more interested to see what they do with the Pro 4. I feel like a lot of people agree that they nailed the three. I hope they can find subtle ways to improve without "fixing" what isn't broken.

[@youngrevival9715]

It’s discontinued it’s the elite now

[@legswillmove]

@@youngrevival9715 are you saying there won't be a Pro 4?

[@wonkydonkey7899]

I highly doubt it. Elite will be a shoe on its own.

[@DarkPa1adin]

make it a Pro + v3 version like they did with the Pro +

[@Sen-ki-]

There will be a speed & pro 4. Was invited to a Saucony Demo Event and we were told that it won't release until April 2024. They've slowed down their releases in order to completely revamp shoes instead of just tweaking the upper sole. Biggest change I've seen is that there will be an internal layer of PwrRUNHG in addition to the visible PwrRUNPB. The plates of the speed & pro 4 will stay the same as the previous gen (Speed & Pro 3) & pro 4 will have a fully gusseted knit tongue. Hope that helps!

[@rickyhughes]

Did my 1st half in these babies! They have a special place in my heart. They are indeed holding up extremely well.

[@ajaybn]

On a side note you should start giving hair care tips.

[@ryanrem5123]

Its called conditioner bro 👌

[@franciscomorales15]

Jajajaj

[@gfrm456]

Definitely, how do you run with long hair as a guy??

[@PhilippBorn]

@@gfrm456 vote for pig tails 😅

[@VietBotPDX]

Maybe he’s born with it

[@meangirlbecca]

I'm new to "super shoes" and bought the Pro 3 based on recommendations. Got about 60 miles on them so far and also wore them for two half marathons recently and they were superb. So springy and really propel me forward with great energy return. These shoes always help me pick up the pace without exerting extra effort, like I'm less tired. Great investment. I have the Endorphin Speed 2 too which is widely loved by a lot of people but they are too narrow and unstable for me. The Pro 3 definitely feel more stable with a wider base.

[@matmax17]

As a Decathlon employee, it is much appreciated to see our products making an appearance on your channel again ! ✌️

[@kofuzi]

the high viz cycling jacket is useful on winter roads

[@RDJ2]

The Kiprun and Kalenji apparel is very good IMO. I buy expensive shoes but basically everything else comes from you guys.

[@Feanaro5503]

Still rocking the Endorphin Speed 1!

[@chrisrose3967]

I don’t really like black running shoes but this one looks astonishing in black

[@NeillyVille]

Saucony hit the home run on Endorphin Pro 3. My go to racer. What a shoe.

[@heavyrunnerweightlifter4392]

My pro 3's have a little over 100 miles and I agree with everything you said, it even feels better! I also believe the speed 3 was a step back as a speed shoe and a step forward as a daily. So much to speculate on ! I hope the speed 4 had a carbon plate because I found the pro 3 to be very versatile, just like the first endorphin speed .

[@Chris_H-xt5sf]

How's the size on the pro compared to speed 3's?

[@RVS_Athletics]

Just bought Pro 3s and I do use Novablast 3s for my everyday runs, so I guess now I have your recommended shoe rotation pairing that you mentioned in this video :D

[@valerio76it]

Nice video. Very interesting to see how you envisage the future of the Endorphin line. I love the Pro 3 and am really looking forward to seeing the Pro 4. ✌🏼

[@bryanunderwood7586]

I could not agree more with all that you said Mike. Wow, I use the Novablast 3 for easy, recovery, Steazy, and some times Fartlek type runs but my go to racer is the Pro 3. I have used the Pro lineup since the first version. It just works and is so forgiving at the end of a marathon.

[@der_sascha]

for me its my top 1 from 2022 and until now in 2023 as well

[@atalk143]

Such a fantastic shoe! IMO, anyone thinking/looking at the ASICS Superblast should really consider the Endo Pro 3. This shoe is just as versatile while also having too-tier racing chops.

[@Run_Farah_Run]

I’m really glad to hear this! I just got a pair for Christmas (have not used them yet) and planning on putting a small amount of miles on them until Berlin Marathon in September.

[@kofuzi]

I continue to be a big fan of what Saucony did with the endorphin pro 3 (even though I also really like the endorphin elite)

[@Run_Farah_Run]

@@kofuzi was the running near the toe area of the elite a drawback of those shoes (when you did that review…@runlikeheller said the same thing) or did it get better?

[@kentm7731]

I think Saucony should just progress each on the track it currently places each model. 2 choices for marathon (Elite and Pro) 2 choices for sessions (speed and Kinvara Pro) and 2 for daily/easy (shift and triumph)

[@JJCA82]

don't forget about the tempus also

[@antonioromulodelcarmen283]

Aside from the Nike Alphafly v1's, the Saucony Endorphin Pro3 deserves a double-up in this super-critical race shoe category, especially if there is a discount.

[@muhammadnaim4424]

Bruh.. this guy is best review in whole planet youtube.. and forsure this guy leg have more milage than my daily car.. lol.. thanks bro.. you help alot a people who love running..hopefully u join Melbourne marathon this year.. cheers..

[@kofuzi]

thanks for the kind words

[@pnojazz]

I purchased this shoe last week. I plan on using it for training. I’m looking forward to using it. I’m in love with the upper!❤

[@kofuzi]

hope you love it!

[@johnshandle777]

Good to know I'll get a couple of goal marathons out of the Pro 3s, before using them just for training. I bought mine in UK when they were discounted down to £125. Unfortunately, not at that price anymore, but still slightly reduced.

[@solefreak2]

Yeah got the pink pair as it was the only colour in my size! As much as I don't like the colour, couldn't pass up at £125. Have these and the Adios Pro 3's.

[@menjackim]

my pair is without visible signs of use after 190km. Great job saucony! The best sneakers I've had

[@Prakash.Uthappa]

I wait for the B roll footage at the end of each video, usually of you in discomfort of some sort. Can totally identify! Great videos.

[@theswerunner]

I got the Pro 3 for 150 USD and they are amazing 😮

[@Klian159]

Yoo kofuzi, great video man! I wish you can review more of the nike line up like the ALphafly 2 or Streakfly or the Tempo!

[@kofuzi]

Stay tuned

[@deshkanagrikhoon]

Saucony Endorphin Pro2 is a wonderful shoe for racing and fast workouts. Bought it on huge discount and loving it completely.

[@madridiguy1713]

Totally agree bro 👍🏼 what a shoe 👌🏼

[@charriso]

Just ordered this one, thanks! I loved Endo Speed 2 but worried the Speed 3 might be too daily trainer-y, so went with this one. Excited!

[@kofuzi]

Hope you enjoy!

[@wandelpassiert8064]

I love my Saucony Endorphin Speed 2 I ran also races with. Now I will go for the Pro 3.

[@LR6092]

This is my exact rotation. Asics novablast 3, endorphin speed 3, pro 1 for long runs and the pro 3 will be for race day

[@kofuzi]

Ah nice

[@TolunayOrkun]

I hope they continue Speed, Pro and Elite lineup. Speed 3 has moved a bit more to daily training vs Speed 2. Pro 3 is a great shoe for racing for mid-packers like me. I think Elite is too Elite for me to get additional benefits. Pro could be training shoe for those racing in Elite so it could serve both camps. If Saucony eliminates (as some comments suggest in this discussion) or substantially changes Speed or Pro, they might be making a mistake.

[@RDJ2]

I completely agree. From reviews I gathered that the Elite is less forgiving and a bit stiffer. For me that would be too much. I use the Speed 2 and the Pro 3 currently but I have little interest in the Elite.

[@dr4aces]

Excellent video. Particularly liked the paring ideas.

[@pinguinopenguin2559]

Love your videos ❤

[@itsahardmuttlife9263]

I would not recommend the elite to anyone unless their running form/mechanics are pretty good. It’s not a heel striker shoe. The EP 3 will work for way more people.

[@Davatai]

Great review. I have the green color for the endorphin 3. It is well cushioned for Marathon Racing.

[@kofuzi]

Nice

[@zacharygarner9425]

The endorphin pro sticks around as the best value racer/workout shoe and the endorphin elite brings in some of the alphafly market for Saucony. That’s not to say that it’s their ideal use case or feel based comparison. I just think that is what will happen.

[@RDJ2]

Picked up a pair at a discount and just ran a half marathon in them today. Didn't feel the upper, in fact I barely felt the shoe at all. Smashed my PB and ran 1:36:11. Which for me is very fast. My legs feel pretty good now, I think the shoe deserves a lot of credit for that because I tend to destroy my calves when I go fast. Love them so far.

[@RDJ2]

I bought them for 163 euros btw. Talking about bargains.

[@edineyborges9979]

Congratulations on the job.

[@kcc8041]

Endorphin Pro 3 for the win!

[@daddycox82]

I have 800k on mine, I use it for all speed work, I started to mix in MP into my long runs and once I used these my recovery was a lot faster. I hated them to begin with as a race shoe as I didn't feel SPECIAL in them and never actually did a race in them. Two weeks ago I did a half in Alpha Flys and had not worn them for a few months and regretted it around 7k mark.

[@Ellerybish]

Do they still feel decent after 800k! That’s mad I had a pair of speed 2’s and did 800 in them and they were knackered. I know Pro 3 is a completely different shoe but I’m very keen on getting them but hoping to get more than a few 100k out of them! Thanks!

[@AuDHDRunner]

I'm hoping for something with Speed 3 midsole but Pro 3 upper. The Pro 3 still feels a bit firm to go the distance for us slower and heavier runners. Either soften the foam or make the plate less stiff. The adidas pro 3 certainly feels a little softer and better suited for me anyway.

[@Fozzee.1970]

You find the Pro 3 firm for a carbon plated shoe! I'm 230lbs and I love the softness!

[@AuDHDRunner]

@@Fozzee.1970 a little firmer/stiffer than I'd like. 220lbs and slow at the moment. I did like the super firm/stiff pro for up to half distance when I was 195 and faster.

[@undeadly1103]

the speed 3 is such a weird shoe. sometimes it's awesome. sometimes it feels dead. glad to hear the pro 3 is so consistent

[@Fozzee.1970]

Speed 3 is dead all the time for me. Pro 3 is completely different set up.

[@dumbdumb123]

That's my exact experience with the Speed 1 so it's probably not the shoe.

[@undeadly1103]

@@dumbdumb123 no. it's the shoe

[@roostermiller]

I think its a plated series vs the none plated series. Plated series is elite for race 5k to half, pro for marathon and long run, speed for tempo and session training and the kinvara pro for daily. Non Plated is the Ride for daily, triumph for long, kinvara 14 for tempo/ session/ half marathon, sinister for 5k to 10k.

[@SuperUngit]

Some people have speculated that the Endorphin Elite is a one-off shoe for the anniversary year. I sort of hope that's the case. I feel like the Endorphin line is great as it is and the Elite is superfluous - especially considering how much more expensive it is than the Pro 3.

[@kofuzi]

Interestinf

[@melvinho77]

Love this shoe. Using it as my daily runners. Well worth the price tag.

[@Ellerybish]

How many km’s have you ran in it now? And is it still holding up well. Thanks

[@melvinho77]

@@Ellerybish Unfortunately, the side of the shoe tore apart and I had to throw it away. Definitely, the mesh is not as tough as I hoped for.

[@RyDawg084]

I just ordered these shoes for a marathon I’m running in May! I have size 15 feet! 😂 And Saucony carries larger sizes, So that was the reason I went with Saucony as well. After having trouble finding a marathon shoe from other brands

[@kofuzi]

Nice

[@davidzlotnick1899]

First marthon Feb 24th- will be in the EP3!

[@chinitopogi7511]

Expecting for endorphin speed 4 to fix the foam to become more durable and inherit the upper found in Elite and Pro series. Then have arch support for (High) to prevent plantar fascitis.

[@jordanyoung2772]

You've mentioned a number of shoes you would recommend for a full marathon, but what about a half? Would your suggestions be similar? Would love to hear your thoughts as I'm running my first one in April!

[@kofuzi]

endorphin pro 2 is really nice for that distance. but overall, the list of shoes that work well for the marathon are pretty much all of the marathon shoes, except for a rare few, like maybe alphafly, superblast, and prime x.

[@jordanyoung2772]

Great! Thanks,@@kofuzi!

[@JustinMiller-sn1nn]

Hey Kofuzi. Great content as always. I love the EP3's but have considered the Elite for my next race. How do you compare the two?

[@ericletasse5129]

The endorphin elite seems like a one off, and for a niche group. I actually prefer the endorphin pro v1 (has my current marathon pr) as I like a firmer ride. Endo pro 3 is rather soft and comfortable. I’d consider that for a road ultra. This elite seems interesting though.

[@davidlundy9142]

such a good shoe. I am guessing version 4 is upper change only. 5 might get the HG foam as it looks like its being tested now by some leaked pics. everyone thinking the 4 will be different dont realize that the 4 is being made as we speak and will be on a boat from china soon.

[@kofuzi]

lead times are indeed quite long

[@treboltreacy9498]

This is my all around fast and slow running shoe. I haven’t had a shoe so good for years. Race day is Next%s. I have the speed 3 for short a ground contact speed.

[@kofuzi]

thanks for the feedback!

[@treboltreacy9498]

@@kofuzi 450 miles .im running them to the ground and starting to break the upper 😀 im getting another pair for shure.

[@Bodhished]

I think the speed 4 needs an upper more like the speed 2. Maybe also drop some weight.

[@chucky1golf]

They fit like a glove on my feet, mesh is very thin as my toe did pop through 😢 great for my easy runs on the local canal as the sole has no holes. 👍

[@GuwapoAP]

I was able to get the Vizi colorway during the holidays at 30% off from running warehouse

[@kofuzi]

nice

[@alexanders4911]

The proof is in the pudding kofuzi! ❤️ From Sweden

[@arifffilzah8484]

Its would be nice if you could upload a video of your running segment/training

[@woody_runs]

I'm absolutely loving the Endorphin Pro 3. Picked up a 2nd hand pair to try them and I've pulled PB's in 5 & 10k already. I have London Marathon next year and would LOVE to use these but not sure I'm brave enough. I've always been put in mild stability shoes.

[@kofuzi]

I think you should be ok, but you’ll have some time to test them further

[@woody_runs]

@@kofuzi Thank you for the advice 🙏🏼

[@stevenlian7748]

8:36 coming back from 2024, he actually called it, lol. Is Kofuzi actually a time traveler? XD

[@kofuzi]

I haven't see the Endorphin Speed 4 personally, so I suppose it still remains to be seen. but if I'm right, it's just a lucky guess

[@stevenlian7748]

@@kofuzihahaha, for sure! It’s quite logical. Love your videos, keep them up!🎉

[@vlad_olenich]

hi @kofuzi. What a great green windbreaker on you! Can you share the link/brand of it? And yeah, the video is cool

[@paddywiggle]

What are your thoughts on the lacing? I sort of wish they went back to a more traditional eyelet chain.

[@barry_144]

I found the upper of the Adios Pro 3 much more comfortable than the Endorphin Pro 3

[@markoljustina]

AP3 have bad upper; upper creases, tongue is too tin, bad lockdown; i run hm pb in them 01:30:28 but i am little bit disappointed after Vaporfly1

[@viviileee]

Hi Kofuzi! Thank you for such a great review! What do you think about the sizing? I have the original endorphin speeds and love them. Do you think the sizing is the same? Also! Do you think these shoes will get my feet and legs through a 4 hour goal marathon? 😅😊 I know the longer one stays out there the more painful it is on the body. But you paced a 3:45 marathon for a friend I think I heard you say! And that gives me hope these shoes can withstand that length of time!

[@kofuzi]

Yes

[@kalicharankhetwal]

Today i purchased Endorphin Pro 3 at $149 in sale. finger crossed :)

[@kofuzi]

Hope you enjoy

[@rishoo007]

Hi, I have decided to buy the Triumph 20 for fast walks and occasional runs. I am heavyweight and tall, beginner to running. I am planning a shoe to complement the T20 for comfortable but little faster runs. Won't be running very fast. What would you recommend, Pro 3, Speed 3, Tempus or something else?

[@Jantonyofficial]

I got these on sale this week for $135 at track shack

[@kofuzi]

Nice

[@BlackJesusChrist666]

I like the endo pro 3 so much It’s part of my weekly rotation trainers 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@kofuzi]

As long as you’re feet are happy, keep doing it

[@yijuntey]

This is kind of irrelevant but i think that u have a great running form and was just wondering how u improved or learned to run with better form? I can run quite fast and for quite long too but i want to improve on my technique to run even faster and also been having some knee pain recently which i think is due to my heelstrike.

[@edwarjoselema6784]

Hi everyone. I have slightly wider feet. I currently own the endorphin shift 3 in 8.5 which feels a bit snug, and the endorphin speed 3 in 8.5 too which fits perfectly. Now I want to order a pair of Pro 3s but I have read some people saying that it is better to size up half a size, but some others say it fits true to size. So I am not sure if I should go for a 9 or stick to my usual 8.5 (US). If there is anyone here who owns the endorphin 3 lineup and has slightly wider feet I would appreciate your comments please! Cheers

[@toddhickey1956]

Like a faster high cushion shoe… how many miles would this foam hold up for a treadmill runner?

[@pennybrown677]

I wear a woman's 8 1/2 in Hoka and New Balance but I read somewhere that the Pro 3 ran a little small. Do I need to size up 1/2 size? Is the toe box roomy?

[@kofuzi]

A1. I went with my normal running shoe size A2. for a racing shoe? yes. compared to a daily trainer? not as much

[@marathonranati]

I got the saucony endorphin pro 3 at size "8.5", my actual size is "6.5", should I wait it out? Or can I run in it a little loose? I dont know what to do.

[@robertarmero6320]

Endorphin elite is the new Endorphin pro + . Probably won’t see too many iterations

[@kofuzi]

interesting

[@nicholasvollmer8666]

Don't make the speeds firmer again, some people like a softer shoe for workouts...... like me!

[@alanreymercado2665]

i have the speed 1, my dilemma is when to replace it. the midsole is not crumpling like other shoes.

[@copperdan7667]

I run in Altra's. Do you see any problems if i switch to a non-zero drop race shoe?

[@dorins3787]

You will need an adaptation period. Take it slow. Your body runs a little different in zero drop vs 8 mm drop

[@Leporkchop34]

Thanks for the video! Quick question, how does it compare to the sc elive v3?

[@kofuzi]

sc elite 3 is a bit softer and the carbon is less springy. so you're getting a bit more cushion but it's overall less aggressive

[@copperdan7667]

I bought a pair of Pro 3's to race my marathon in. I recently tried them out in a half marathon and developed hot spots on the pads of my small toes later in the race. I tried them again yesterday during a speed workout at marathon pace but put body glide on the pads on my feet and got the same problem. Suggestions?

[@juanchica9065]

I really liked how mine felt running. BUT... durability is really bad. At least on mine. The under sole is wearing out super fast. And before everyone says it is my running form, I do not have this issue on my Nike, Asics or Hoka shoes. I really like how they feel but not buying them again.

[@kofuzi]

are you comparing racing shoes against other racing shoes? otherwise, it might be a bit of a lopsided comparison

[@Lalo_Runs]

YWGO! 🎉

[@stoicrunner2757]

Pro 3 discounted in Australia at the moment

[@kofuzi]

Ooh

[@DesertTriDad]

This shoe felt great for me although the first few runs it tore up my achilles

[@AuDHDRunner]

I agree I'm not getting the ever increasing slant in on the heel on the endorphin shoes. I had to take a heat gun to my speed 3 to peel off the rubber enforcement an inch or so from the top to relieve achilles rub/pressure. Much better shoe now!

[@woidmoasta4673]

Do you also think the foam is getting softer on the pro 3 after 50+ miles?

[@al_lee123]

Do you recommend this just as much for a half marathon?

[@seanmarshall5569]

Re: Predictions, I find the classification of these racers is all about class. Wanna be a pro? Wanna be an elite? The optics of the marketing allow ppl to think they can buy their way into a class of runner. This would mean the pro stays put as a more accessible marathoner than the elite, the speed is a workout trainer, and the Kinvara is a poor man’s Pro.

[@gpersonaltrainer]

I've reached 500km wearing the Pro 2 and I've run 1K at the running track, after testing the Pro 3, just to see how they would have performed. Feel free to watch my video. Well, although they are still great in terms of how much the outsole is worn out, regarding performances, they lost a good 10 seconds per km. The Pro 3 seems to be more bouncy and more forgiving, therefore I hope to reach the same distance I've got, using the Pro 2.

[@HMuny55]

My question is, if you have about 3 shoes in your rotation... how long does a shoe actually last. Feel like shoes easily last a year plus

[@nicholasvollmer8666]

There's really no length, it depends how many miles u put into them.

[@HMuny55]

@@nicholasvollmer8666Im 228lbs and have put 483 miles on my Endorphin speed 2's and just ordered a pair of 3's for example. When I say "last" I mean in mileage.

[@BR_fontes]

Hoka rincon 3 or saucony shift 3..tank you

[@kofuzi]

if you need stability, Shift. if you don't, Rincon

[@dorins3787]

It would be a shame to change the Speed the way you described it. Elite is too expensive and I do prefer the speed

[@kofuzi]

I found the Speed 3 to be best at VO2 Max effort, personally. and I don't like to use it as easy paces, but there's just so many people that tell me that that is exactly how they use it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dorins3787]

@@kofuzi same here. I do believe the Speed 3 is the best shoe Saucony has in this moment (perfect all rounder) and I find it a shame to ruin it just to make us buy another "dedicated speed" shoe. For race day, ok, Pro 3 "for the win" (PB).

[@hahaheslop]

You can get it in the UK £125 🙂

[@andrewramirez3332]

should i just get the 2s if i can pick up for $100 or these worth the extra $

[@kofuzi]

it's a good deal, but I much prefer the 3 over the 2. I think it's a very big difference. whether it's worth it is more of a personal decision

[@EricH98]

Do you think the saucony or adidas is more stable?

[@kofuzi]

Depends on the model

[@EricH98]

@@kofuzi sorry! The Endo 3 or pro 3 is what I meant

[@jacobduplessis6970]

I need a shoe for uptempo/speed training that I can use for some Xc races in the future should i try this shoe if i can get it for cheap

[@kofuzi]

it could be a good choice but I think it would depend on the terrain of your xc races

[@jacobduplessis6970]

@@kofuzi grass and trails mostly, some gravel, i would just use them when i couldn’t use spikes

[@sanakiyamam1987]

durability is horrible. many people selling it after short usage. the front area of the rubber tears so fast and upper material after around 300 miles is destroyed and the shoes are useless. i cancelled my order after seeing reviews and sellers the foam is also not well protected. it gets destroyed underneath

[@kofuzi]

from my personal and anecdotal experience, I have not heard of a single person selling it after usage, short or otherwise

[@JoshL84]

I feel like I can run faster paces in the Speed 3 than the Pro 3. I have increased my fitness since my last full so hopefully I can get even more out of the Pro 3. It worked great for the Chicago Marathon.

[@kofuzi]

Sometimes I feel like the Speed 3 is a running shoe Rorschach test. Its great for whatever you want it to be great for (I like it for VO2 Max work)

[@piratepyle1903]

The Endorphin Pro 3 or the SuperComp Elite v3?

[@kofuzi]

One has squish the other has bounce

[@piratepyle1903]

@@kofuziI love me some bounce

[@andrewstrauss6564]

How does this compare to the Vaporfly?

[@dumbdumb123]

I've heard it's way more stable which can help when your form goes south.

[@kpmcdonald1]

How does it compare to the kinvara pro?

[@kpmcdonald1]

Also did you ever run in the speed 3 ?

[@kofuzi]

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[@sunjoy1010]

Can see how much you have been satisfied with Pro 3s (adios pro and endorphin pro)

[@kofuzi]

Last year was a good vintage