[ENG] AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.16 Group C (Tastosis)

[ENG] AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.16 Group C (Tastosis)
Ro.16 Group C: herO, Ample, SoulKey, Bisu

[@hak11]

I have followed bw pro scene since boxer vs yellow and I keep getting amazed by the skill level increasing each year. This game is truly epic and im glad ive been a part of it for so long.

[@cl8804]

go, japs! wooooooooooo

[@willywonka9785]

Yell0w the true epic z!

[@DonnePlummer69]

Boxer is still the greatest of all time. He defined Terran and paved the way for the Flash.

[@andrewferguson6901]

No other starcraft cast, brood war or sc2, is SO listenable without seeing the screen. Tastosis do such a good job painting the scene and keeping the audience up to date at the cutting edge of the action! Wonderful broadcast as allways. Thanks to the players casters and afreeca for keeping ASL alive and showing some phenomenal games

[@andrewferguson6901]

ANOTHER 10 YEARS BBY

[@LiquidRR]

​@@andrewferguson6901why stop at 10; I wanna see some geriatric gamers playing in their 50s and 60s!! 😂

[@Akumasama]

It helps that Starcraft's soundscape is so clearly descriptive. Like, close your eyes and listen to a fight, you can clearly tell what is fighting what, and which side is dying more. Compare that with Starcraft 2.

[@dungeonmaster6292]

​@@Akumasamayes Brood War perhaps the GREATEST sound design of all time

[@Badj4s]

Listening this with eyes closed in bed right now :)

[@te9049]

I adore Tastosis' passion for StarCraft. Only watched the first game, but you can really feel it through the cast. You two are so lucky that you get to do this for a profession and any thanks or support the fans give to you would never be enough to repay the dept we owe for getting so many of us through whatever we are going through at the time. When a new ASL English video pops up it really is something that makes the day better than it would have been. You, the team around you, and the progammers who dedicate their life to perfecting this art have my heartfelt thanks. It really is a privilege to enjoy your content and hard work. The effort put in by your individual channels is really showing and you should keep up the hard work being put into those, it only makes it all the more special when you cast together

[@C.T.NYC40]

Big up's to the actual game (SC remastered), the league (ASL), the best players ww, the castors (Tastosis), the map makers, the on location staff, the audience. Everything. SC is still the best watchable game.

[@imma5269]

Audio desync unfortunately

[@user-ro2nn7lt3r]

this has happened once or twice before but the commentary is just a little bit more ahead than what we see. The result is literally a game full of spoilers instead of a game with Tastosis commentary and that is annoying as hell... Now I gotta watch this shit with the sound off. "that cannon gets cancelled" - cannon gets cancelled a second and a half later...

[@Picaroon9]

they are jus that good

[@user-ro2nn7lt3r]

@@Picaroon9 axaxaxa fair enough bro :D

[@DrunkCosmonaut]

It is really impressive the level of insight Artosis has into casting these games. Even in the very weird and awesome Z v Z a while back he predicted the tech switches perfectly.

[@Strauss-]

once again there is audio synch issues. around 1:00:57, for example, they read out lurker kill counst before the kills happen. I'd say at least half of the vids put out for these casts have audio synch issues.

[@sebdeef1086]

The editing team just dont give a fuck. If you rewatch ur work, you will find it and change it. They just dont care…im just happy i didnt pay anything to their patreon

[@loredo182]

@@sebdeef1086Shut up. You really don’t know how much logistics and work this needs to get done. Grow up.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

@@sebdeef1086 They could really just go to the GG timings to hear if they call it out before the screen. Really sloppy of them.

[@sebdeef1086]

@@HasekuraIsuna exactly. Dont even need to rewatch 3hours of vod, only the gg timing…

[@Washburne21]

Right around the 1 hr mark during Bisu vs Soulkey it becomes evident that the commentary track is a couple of seconds ahead of what we are seeing. jfc

[@-greenheat-]

12:41 Tastosis 17:35 herO vs. Ample 46:41 Soulkey vs. Bisu 1:13:11 Winners 1 1:22:16 Winners 2 1:29:42 Winners 3 1:46:08 Losers 1 2:17:20 Losers 2 2:40:51 Losers 3 3:01:33 Final 1 3:13:34 Final 2 3:28:26 Final 3

[@MultiAggi]

damn that third final game was a quick one, i loved it!

[@Goose_BW]

thx gamer

[@Eckendenker]

Either your editor doesn't care or it unnecessarily hard to sync up your audio. I suggest you actually do countdowns to the games (actual audio can be cut out), to make it easier to sync the games.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

They could even use the GG timings as a indicator, really sloppy of them.

[@Eckendenker]

@@HasekuraIsuna back in the day we did audiocomments on wc3 replays. Viewers had to manually sync audio with the replay playing in the ingame viewer. Just countdown the timer in the beginning and you're good to go. Easiest thing to do. Replay is not up on patreon yet, so I just have to hope someone actually looks at the comments.

[@IYPITWL]

1:36:10 he attacks his own ling to bounce the glaive onto the scourge omg

[@celestialspark5697]

You can hear the crowd react to it in the background a second later, too.

[@empty5013]

just saw this, absolutely sick play, shame it didnt get the snipe but i love the idea.

[@briana7515]

incredible

[@2639theboss]

Really disappointed KZbin allowed this video in more than 360p this time. Completely ruins my authentic Broodwar viewing experience.

[@MattAlexander-do2od]

Lol

[@TerrorRising]

stop being spoiled jeeeeeez

[@sirdiealot53]

Here’s what you do, go rummage thru the back of an old closed down creepy Circuit City and find a 14.4K modem. 1999 authenticity in no time! 🎉

[@denarte6986]

Fucking blizzard ruining the game by giving it HD textures

[@gmanj88]

144p or bust

[@IanFanselow]

I too would prefer to wait a little longer and get the subs and no audio issues if these are due to rushing.

[@chito895]

The cast audio is a little ahead of the video.

[@kd2409]

Will they fix sound synchronized problem and reupload? This is unwatchable!

[@Goose_BW]

x

[@BLooDCoMPleX]

The Tastosis audio is desynced from the games in at least 3 games. I love you guys but you are making 10k a month from the Patreon, I don't think it's out of order to expect better production.

[@sebastianbean8226]

You have any idea what producing these video costs? And the two hosts have to pay for food to stay alive. 10k isn't that much

[@BLooDCoMPleX]

@@sebastianbean8226 They both have successful streaming careers on top of casting gigs every now and then, with at least one of them being able to afford to finance a merch business. I'm pretty sure they were not starving before ASL English Patreon, I'm sure they're not starving now. I doubt ASL paid them 10k a month to do the English casts. I don't have unrealistic expectations here, I just want the cast to be in sync with the game. That's all. It's not like they're doing us a friendly favor by doing these casts, they're effectively selling us a product and the product is faulty. It's ok to want to have your money's worth, don't be parasocial.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

​@@sebastianbean8226 Is Patreon their primary income? (´・ω・｀)?

[@PULAG]

I don't play much anymore but I i could always watch the pros play anyday. Like today. The childhood memories I have with the game are so good.

[@schemax]

Did anyone else see the move in SoulKey vs Hero g3 where Hero shoots his own zergling with Mutas to make it bounce to the scourge? Holy shit!

[@HappyChillmore]

What! No. Damn…

[@HappyChillmore]

I’m rooting for soul key this year. I don’t know why I just always liked his playing

[@peterhone9763]

Yes!!! I was like Tastosis?!?! Talk about that!! That was wild.

[@noahbaker-kang5148]

HOW DO THEY HAVE AUDIO ISSUES EVERY SINGLE TIME 😂😭

[@tthrl]

Only 10k per month from Patreon. Please understand.

[@sirdiealot53]

They’re trying to decrease their turnaround time so maybe something got rushed

[@fromryuk7785]

As someone who edits videos you'd be surprised. I've had videos work fine in the semi final cut, final cut, then once uploaded to KZbin the audio screws up or the video portion screws up. Sometimes I'm also human and forget to cut, replace, or alter levels of something be it a special effect or audio or something else. Especially on a tight turn around time table. We also dont know how many hands this changes to get on afreecas KZbin. Then if there is an issue they have to correct it pass it along and reupload. And based on the lengths of this that'd be like seriously a whole 6-10 hours alone of just uploading and then HD processing. That's before you also count the time needed to correct and re-render the videos which depending on the power of the PCs adds another 4ish hours. They also have to coordinate with afreecas admins to watch it privately too if they wanted to see the final KZbin product since they seemingly don't have access to the KZbin channel. Lastly about the patreon, yes some of those costs cover editing and wages but I imagine most go towards securing the rights to the tournament's broadcasts. Afreeca doesn't give them these feeds for free out of the goodness of their heart. I obviously don't have exact numbers but I imagine not even 1 months worth of 10k barely makes a dent into that cost.

[@danvsbronies]

It’s the gift that keeps on giving

[@noahbaker-kang5148]

@@fromryuk7785 They don’t pay afreeca anything. They’re making a product for the ASL channel. The editing is trivial work - it’s literally just audio recorded over a VOD. Any high school film student does more complicated editing jobs. One more thing: it’s funny you mention a “tight turnaround”. Bro, it’s a sporting event broadcasted live and they’re regularly 7-10 days late lmao

[@sebastianbean8226]

Tbh often I just listen to Tastosis in the background like a podcast. The matches themselves are a bonus.

[@veidro]

Honestly, I don't care that all those idiots were complaining previously that the videos take too much time, me and apparently many other people liked the previous season so much more. Audio was always in sync, the whole player group selection had subtitles as well as all the interviews and the little intermezzos with the players and Lee Hyun, which just adds insane amount of depth and personality to the entire Korean StarCraft community. Take a full month, three months, fkin half a year to release the videos, I don't give a shit - but please, PLEASE, bring back the quality that the previous season had.

[@TheGero95]

I for one don't care about anything other than the game so this season has been much better with the faster uploads. So stfu

[@michaelbird9148]

I liked the subtitles as well. Pros and cons to both, for sure. I know they got so much pressure from people who want to wait the minimum.

[@sethmoyer]

For $10,780 per month they should be able to afford to do both lol

[@TheGero95]

@@sethmoyer Artosis has 4 kids lol

[@michaelbird9148]

@@sethmoyer It'd be awesome if they had a quick release and long release. Or just extra capacity to hammer it out quicker. I imagine that it's more complicated than we'd assume.

[@BiberandDolik]

New Meta in town: Check your third for hidden early game lurker :) Man, BW is awesome

[@owendavis3500]

Ive had this happen to me many times in my 20 years of starcraft, cool to see it in a pro maych

[@YueY12]

Something that was never mentioned is that Bisu never got goon range in game 2 vs Ample. Another reason the vulture harass did so well.

[@Aggnog]

Another audio desync in 2nd game.

[@49Chevy]

Sound is desynced. Casters are reacting to things in the game before they appear on the screen. Basically unwatchable.

[@sebdeef1086]

And they get paid for that😂 what a joke.

[@highlordalarak2565]

Yup, I watch them over other casters simply cuz I'm used to their voices more,idk, but no patreon from me till i stop seeing so many mistakes from them

[@inguh7041]

They're doin their best, dun worry.

[@MoonyD911]

This was so painful to watch. To see Bisu fall the way he did…

[@rhorains5626]

well when you choose my chemical romance as your intro theme you don't get to win in asl

[@Dartht33bagger]

I feel like his PvT is holding him back sadly.

[@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard]

@@Dartht33bagger It´s like he wants to lose against Terran. Always attacking when he shouldn´t. It´s painful.

[@Fate025]

This game is 25 years old and you would have thought we have tried everything possible in this game. But stuff like long distance gas mining in ZvZ, that just came into the meta this ASL, still blows my mind. It's like "there's new tech in this game, 25 years after it's launch?"

[@gmanj88]

I was just thinking about the new carrier micro that emerged sometime around ASL 15. Even unit control doesn’t seem to be 100% explored!

[@Appletank8]

tbf the carrier micro is only really useful against marines and maybe SCVs, and a tech switch into bio mid way into the game is generally not practical.

[@_JamesHowlett_]

long distance gas mining is old, commonly used in 2v2

[@charlescook5542]

@@_JamesHowlett_ unless if it’s an island map most zergs only go lings in team games of astl

[@user-sk6nm1wr2j]

Let's get an Artosis vs. Tasteless bo3 showmatch, then have them do the Tastosis commentary on it. Maybe throw in some whining about protoss when he loses. Anyway great commentary. Some really great games in this group.

[@tranceBMP]

Just my two cents guys. I'd rather have a longer turnaround time, with subtitles and free of technical errors. If we wanted to just watch the games quickly, we could watch the other VODs.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

Agreed.

[@Olinser]

Man Bisu got outplayed so hard by SoulKey in that first game it was unreal.

[@utarian7]

That's hydra bust man. It's broken as fuck. When you defend an all in without econ damage you're supposed to be ahead. But zerg goes all in, fails, and can just seamlessly switch to mid game.

[@yyyy-uv3po]

@@utarian7 That's because it wasn't an all-in. You can clearly see that he kept some hydras at home and started droning before the hydra attack ended. It was more a pressure play into a light contain (that is, if Protoss defends appropriately).

[@spinvn]

@@yyyy-uv3po but whether it's all in or not doesn't matter, the point is if you commit to an attack that can kill your opponent straight up, and you fail, you're not supposed to play on without falling behind so much.

[@groteweegschaal3071]

I think the interview dubs are way better now than at the start, props to the editor and translator. Thanks!

[@leonillbati-on4389]

At the cost of not translating everything else

[@EricDykstra0]

12:41 is where Tastosis starts

[@MattAlexander-do2od]

Thank you!

[@SporkRevolution]

Ty

[@Fallen608]

Thanks babe.

[@NostalgUcation]

Incorrect. Try again!

[@llJiggyFlyll]

Audio mixing has been kind of off the past couple Round of 16's, last one game sound was desynced from the cast, this one casters are a few seconds ahead of the game.

[@throughsoul]

The sound and the video are NOT in sync. You guys really need to get this right because it's rather annoying to HEAR about things before they occur. Like, "Oh, there goes the observer" and three seconds later it dies. It's like a repeated spoilers throughout the whole game. Correction: It appears to only affect one game. The second one, I think.

[@nickw6229]

Tasteless hasn't said "let's go big picture" yet this season? What gives?

[@DerpHerper]

Spoilers below I would almost wager Bisu did not have a plan going into game 3. Carriers 3 times in a row is not something he really does. It seems like over confidence or under confidence leaning so heavily on Carriers.

[@Healcannon]

I really still hate the Zergling hands. I still wish it was fixed to the singular claws its supposed to be but I do my best to try to forget it instead since its never gonna happen.

[@-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-----]

Been skipping interviews since the dubbing but the casts are great! As long as the videos are released with good quality, no complaints

[@Eckendenker]

how do you like the commentary being 5 seconds earlier than the footage?

[@cl8804]

i love it, subscribing to patreon with a second account as we speak @@Eckendenker

[@ianprivett9210]

Is there a reason Zerg doesn't hide their Defilers in Overloads against Science Vessel irridation in ZvT? against Irridation? Wouldn't the Overlord tank the hit and be able to pull back and drop safely before dying over time?

[@maciejs2351]

Yes there is. If something is irradiated and you pick it up it still takes damage. Also it damages other biological units inside that transporter. However if the transporter itself is irradiated the units inside do not take damage. However; however if it dies ofc units die

[@maciejs2351]

Or another answer if you mean preemptively hide them: probably to much micro. Overlords tend to go places where you do not want them to. It's additional two or three clicks.

[@ianprivett9210]

@@maciejs2351 Yes, hiding the Defiler when seeing an approaching SV for example. You're right, more micro is required, but I do think there is some usage to protect those 1-2 valuable Defilers at an expansion with a Lurker hold. Keeping an Overlord there wouldn't be too hard. Early Irridations from an SK Terran build could potentially be wasteful if they can't get to the Defiler outside of the Overlord, at least until the Defiler is used and the SV irridates it (but the Dark Swarm would still be set down). But I didn't know the units in a transporter's proximity also get effected by irridation, which is very cool!

[@maciejs2351]

Well, then there may be another indirect reason. In ZvT you often skip overlord speed (unless the opponent goes Wraiths), you rush to hive for those defilers as they are essential. So you would start upgrading speed as you make defiler mound, and upgrade transportation after consume. The timing seems acceptable; however, 350minerals and 350 gas is more than 2 defilers and 10 zerglings for consume. I like your approach though and seeing as this season is pretty nuts when it comes to Zergs tactics we may very well see this trick!@@ianprivett9210

[@mandy1339]

did Bisu research dragoon range in game 2 vs Ample?

[@hatinthebreeze]

"When you try to be the hamburglar, and try to hide a hatch inside the base.... this is what you get" lolol

[@Sciolist321]

1:28:10 a 20 year old game needs 20 year old cultural references

[@davidcarey1822]

When can we get an Artosis vs Tastless show match again!?

[@abstractdaddy1384]

Omg not this again.

[@aml7758]

We don't need that

[@DeepeyeLV]

Awesome vid for the weekend free time. Thank you!

[@jamie_miller]

OVERLORD TRUCKNUTS have been declared. What is done cannot be undone.

[@DaxRaider]

tasteless knows what happening a few seconds before it happens xD was he synced ? xD

[@sirdiealot53]

I’d love to have whiskey shots with Timebones

[@voodoochild24262]

i LOVE seeing tastosis predicting the opposite winners lol. yall the best but lezgooo calm effort and ample

[@tulejumal]

How is this the offical english commentary afreeca agrees to put ok their channel. Sound sync problems, every season translation is weeks behind.

[@Lopyswine]

I think the casting audio is about a second ahead of the video.

[@NadDan1]

love seeing this in my youtube box when unwinding

[@Vic-tz3gl]

Spoiler alert: Bisu take a good engagement with a Terran player. Difficulty level: impossible He's my favorite player of all time but man it's heartbreaking to just watch him lose every year in a crushing fashion

[@LiquidRR]

He's an amazing player, and likely dominates 99/100s of the BW ladder, but ASL players are a whole different plane. The decision making of these top players just continues to increase every year and I think Bisu is just slightly behind the curve.

[@Vic-tz3gl]

@@LiquidRR yeah I agree. Zen (NA B rank Protoss streamer who helped with the NYC LAN not too long ago) stated that he really likes Bisu's PvT because Bisu is so active and Bisu takes fights he probably shouldn't. I kind of agree with that. I get how it's like exciting to see engagements but man I'm ready to see Bisu win some 😭

[@justinwood6965]

Hell yeah thanks Tastosis

[@dustincintron1682]

Serious question but is the Protoss race suffering in BW like it is in SC2? Or is that just this season? I mainly follow sc2. Other than that, great cast. I love when they upload these videos, perfect thing for me to play in the background while I work

[@ethansaltmere]

its suffering in general. last 10 asl protoss results have been awful only asl 5 was when they were winning alot because of maps. Terran is so strong at the moment, even without flash last 2 asl all finalists have been terran. Maps at the moment are terran favored thats why

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

@@ethansaltmere Zerg sandbagger spotted.

[@Fantax92]

Why doesn't the ASL observer use the production tab and research progress bars? I feel like those were the greatest addition as quality of life to starcraft as a spectator

[@charlescook5542]

Those are only in replays, asl shows observer while game is being played so no production tab.

[@Fantax92]

@@charlescook5542 big thing missing from the bw remaster then

[@reismw]

I simply love Tastosis casting, thanks for that!

[@mandy1339]

casting audio is slightly out of sync

[@IYPITWL]

I don't mind the dubbing at all. Who are these sub title stans?

[@TheSarenarass]

Wish they would translate the content pieces...

[@WoAzMM]

Tasteless asking a question that has already been answered by the Observer, name a more iconic duo

[@Xpew_pewX]

13:51 Artosis is staring into my soul

[@cl8804]

"does he steal the gas?" Dxracer never change, useless. never change

[@AShinyZorua]

Why was tastless de-synced? he seemed to be calling stuff before they even happen like he was 10 seconds ahead.

[@Raijunz]

How come your casts are always a week late or so? And have synch issues with audio… and the money from patreon.. come on guys

[@vincechilt]

Loving this!!

[@chiken872]

The SC1 is much much more enjoyable than SC2.

[@somecooney5304]

I wish Tastosis could have been best man at my wedding. I almost want to get divorced and remarry, just to try and make it happen

[@user-ub3ji3oq5o]

Im trying to get my friends to watch sc1 this audio issue is not making it any easier. Imagine being introduced to this and the audio is like this. Starcraft is already confusing to follow for new people.

[@steinarmathisen3015]

Hell, it’s about time

[@nuoch2o342]

Please add subbed videos too

[@delayedgratification581]

Hey what are the links for some of the well known streams, like Mini’s?

[@rhorains5626]

gahhhh literally unwatchable due to audio being so far ahead of video but still great to fall asleep to as a podcast or radio sport coverage !

[@JonTietz]

I really think the 2 base build up in TvP is outdated. T needs to force P to attack into them to prevent a third and do a good job stopping that. Leaving the P alone and trying to kill them with one push on 2-2 just does not work.

[@andreiromanescu2933]

Does anyone know the name of the songs they play when someone wins? Example: when Ample eliminates Bisu its a rock song in the background. Anyone knows?

[@myMikeable]

delay is really bad at some parts, 5 seconds sometimes

[@HDHUSKYISCOOL]

damn now its my mission to run into tastless in a bar in seoul

[@rhorains5626]

been said obviously (top comment) but your audio is ahead of the video, spoiling everything before it happens. "this firebat is a hero!!" what firebat.. oh.. 3 seconds later

[@thomasrousseau5949]

When it takes neaely 5 minutes before Tastosis starts describing the game... this is not your podcast guys its the ASL. Your genreal thoughts about the meta and your anecdotes about how the game has changed over the years are interesting, but should be kept mostly in berween games IMO.

[@utarian7]

When is everyone going to stop pretending Hydra bust vs P isn't broken AF

[@DekkarMTBtl]

57:09 Cannon debris disappears

[@Raijunz]

Dark swarm is so broken no wonder it didnt follow through to sc2 😂

[@8milestogo]

\m/ TASTOSIS FOREVER \m/

[@Eliteownage]

much love all!

[@jphone9200]

Lost temple the OG

[@detrockcity3]

The Soulkey storyline is always the same, even though he won several Z v Z sets last season and then lost to a T.

[@leeloodallasmultibox6172]

good luck have fun DD !

[@zaubergarden6900]

audio slightly out of sync

[@evilpugg6866]

I miss stasis Protoss. Like I swear that shit is better than this storm style. So many times bisu coulda broke Amples 3rd base with like 1 stasis the way they were clumped.

[@OlimarandLouie]

It's okay I didn't wanna go to sleep anyways

[@detrockcity3]

There’s nothing legendary about it. My Chemical Romance is trrrrraaaaassssshhhhh.

[@Colendro]

A "Tasteless Water" brand would basically sell itself :D

[@dirkauditore8413]

What's the soundtrack at 41:00??

[@NostalgUcation]

Finally.. 5 days later we get another video

[@cl8804]

woooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@endryl08]

omg finally !!

[@LiBaBamba]

1:36:12 - herO attacks his own ling to bounce the glave and kill the scurge. Didn't work, but really cool move

[@stefanc4520]

Noooo my favorite player😢

[@docholliday1702]

Bisu?

[@yyyy-uv3po]

ikr, and I don't see many other Protosses that can pretend to the ro8. T and Z have several young talented players, but P seems to be lagging behind these days.

[@zolniu]

3:12:00 At this point it's probably better to just let the Valyrie shoot normaly than miss-micro 3 times...

[@stiltzy1534]

1:56:00 that reaver got a homerun off of a bunt

[@vinijdc]

Bisu not even remotely looking like a protoss that could win an ASL. One doesn't even get excited to watch his games anymore.