Engineer hired by Surfside still feels that the Champlain Towers South is an imminent danger

[@s.floridaliving5692]

Yeah, if an engineer with that much experience tells you something is wrong... you better damn well listen and do what he recommends.

[@sev5087]

Yea if they listened to the first engineer two years ago this never would have happened

[@WDIOMUSG]

I was it I an Iron worker for a number of years for Washington DC Local five. I worked on two jobs that were emergency disaster relief situations, that he was in charge of and he knows what he’s talking about. He’s was very professional and respectful to everybody around him no matter your job occupation, the kind of person you’d like to sit down and drink a beer with. I have much respect for this guy. And if he saying this they should take heed and act immediately.

[@suekennedy8917]

4 weeks later and still waiting for the disaster.

[@Dedicated2WendyWilliams]

this engineer seems rusty to me

[@Vixen781]

Same issue in NY after 911, the ground continued to crack and expand beyond the site. The engineer know his business, let him do his job.

[@RadioMcRadioface]

@Portfolio _cs the engineering term for this is "BS".

[@mattstorm360]

But if he dose his job someone might loose money.

[@gerdokurt]

Its not about cracks in ground, genius. Its about the missing vertical load from the builiding that stabelizes walls against horizontal forces.

[@BillyLapTop]

The World Trade Center had the same issue after the 911 collapse. That bathtub was 7 stories deep and basically held back the Hudson River. This matter is not to be taken lightly.

[@robertthomas6127]

From what I have read that is correct and Allyn Kilsteimer was present there as well to my knowledge.

[@massimookissed1023]

Thousands of tons of gravel were dumped up against that retaining wall at WTC to help prevent it collapsing into the basement pit.

[@brucefoster8000]

This guy was complicit in the cover up of the 9/11 controlled demolitions. He may be right, but he has zero credibility.

[@sircampbell1249]

Trade Center was pin back..

[@robertthomas6127]

@@brucefoster8000 .... Why don't you show us your credibility. That is incase it extends further than your keyboard 😂

[@TheVoice010]

Warning comes before Destruction...Props for this guy putting His name on the line, it's not easy being the person to call out danger, before it happens

[@colleenkerr4237]

This guy's knows what he's doing and talking about!!! Very well know

[@Spec360]

Where was he 40 years ago

[@jansonshine9082]

Question: will they listen and take action?

[@latinaforever4892]

63 years experience he knows what his talking about 🙏 wise men!!

[@williamhaynes7089]

@@Spec360 - he was at a concert smoking pot

[@DarkSpiderZero]

I looked up this Allyn Kilsheimer because I never heard of him. I thought he was just some local guy the mayor hired, but boy was I WRONG. This guy is THE premiere expert in structural engineering, with vast, VAST experience in building disasters such as the World Trade Center and Oklahoma City federal building. He's the exact best person for this job. They need to take everything this man says to heart if they want to avoid another disaster.

[@jlw184]

So this guy is the same guy that covered up the incendiary devices that bought down the World Trade Centre? Jet Fuel can't melt steel beams.

[@queencerseilannister3519]

@@jlw184 That is a myth that's been debunked by scientists.

[@theanimaster]

@@jlw184 Logic can’t melt stupid apparently either. But everyone’s an expert.

[@mrobject9113]

@@jlw184 lol, must have took off your tinfoil hat if your wifi is working

[@joburke6448]

Please listen to this engineer’s expertise BEFORE another tragedy occurs.

[@jdrose1000]

Yes! It would be suicide at this point!

[@kevinmccool3719]

They won't

[@mslee4722]

Possibly an even worse tragedy.

[@williamhaynes7089]

have him oversee the repairs if needed on the north and east towers, then spend a night there to show you believe in him.

[@dianaprince3176]

Ah, but that’s not the American way.

[@theashpilez]

Make the inspector an authority, not a side show ignored.

[@SB-iy7ls]

Thats what you get when Republicans run a state.

[@eclipse369.]

Authority. Haha

[@beyondthedetails]

@@eclipse369. You slow or something?

[@LIG87]

@@SB-iy7ls exactly...republicans do not believe in science or engineering. This planet is in major trouble

[@ct6502c]

@@LIG87 They didn't always used to be like this. I don't understand how and when the Republicans turned into a bunch of nutjob tin foil hat conspiracy theorists.

[@thebrain7065]

By the looks of it lately....he's got a job for years in Surfside alone. Every day I watch the news...another building is being deemed unsafe in that area.

[@lsbigworld6672]

florida has laws that were meant to segregate that have existed since the 20s. all new buildings must make 1500% of the profit back in the first year, meaning they are forced to cut corners.

[@dustyflair]

@@lsbigworld6672 what? what are you jibbering and jabbering about.

[@seluland]

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[@lsbigworld6672]

@@dustyflair I am an actual urban planner, and florida has a law to promote single family homes that all new developments should be projected to make back 1500% of their profit within the first year or they cannot be built.

[@williamhaynes7089]

@@lsbigworld6672 - other than selling the units what income stream does a developer have? They don't run the day to day operations as the owners do thru an association.

[@georgef1176]

That’s a lifetime of knowledge. Take it seriously.

[@dengangok5372]

Or he’s just an engineer and sees the clear hazard coming

[@CLINT_theNotorious_TTG]

He’s just one Engineer…. They need others to make evaluations, then decide.

[@morrisgentry8624]

As a retired civil/forensic engineer (40+ years), unless the perimeter walls were designed as stand-alone cantilever walls, I agree with this gentleman. I’ve investigated and analyzed numerous wall collapses that occurred under similar conditions.

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

The news sure is making a big fuss over this little wall....this is something normally only the forman would hear about

[@jamesedge219]

@@tweetybird7668 agreed! However, how many basement walls are? Not arguing, but the reporters embellished emphasis on words seems like theater! Question, if the structural soundness of the building was in question, if there are buildings in the area that are as aged and constructed under the same building codes, why are they not being inspected and evacuated? Just askin!

[@dnchco3295]

hi im curious about how stand-alone cantilever affect integrity of the structure

[@tonycook7679]

@@dnchco3295 the footing would have to be substantially stronger and deeper to resist the bending moment from the material restrained by the wall. As part of a larger structure this was not necessary.

[@mario0318]

@@dnchco3295 also keep in mind the concern is mostly for the south tower which due to its close proximity would collapse if the wall gives in to the saturated ground surrounding the building.

[@jeremycovelli]

This a roundabout way of saying that the remaining walls are now acting as retaining walls.. which they are not designed to be with the roof of the parking structure gone.

[@samuellourenco1050]

They are thin as heck for sure, and have only one layer of rebar. The pool was the only structure that was correctly built.

[@CharlesReinmuth]

Nice, succinct way of putting it

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

@@samuellourenco1050 hell, yeah. It survived TWO collapses right next to it!

[@connormclernon26]

@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 really goes to show where the emphasis was in construction

[@charlesbartlett2569]

As an engineer who has constructed basements in the area, public officials should listen to this engineer. The wall may not be designed as a cantilevered wall (no supports or tie backs). Backfill should be placed immediately against the wall to act as a buttress on the Collins Avenue side. Alternatively, let it fill with water. On another note, a lot a folks were claiming a sinkhole caused the collapse. No evidence of a sinkhole yet.

[@dustyflair]

anyone who is clamming about the sinkhole is prob wearing a tinfoil hat.

[@psyolytesaille]

I keep reading the sinkhole speculation but it would have been seen by now. Some people want to keep giving the benefit of the doubt when things are served on a platter.

[@mssha1980]

The news hasn’t caught up but people say the pool deck collapse caused the building to fall. They have videos all over KZbin

[@tbrwn2548]

@@mssha1980 i saw that

[@allangibson2408]

@@mssha1980 In spite of the pool still being full of water until last week…

[@mattxr6t]

It doesnt take an Engineer to figure that out...But apparently it does.

[@Elm98]

What a useless comment, but so was my reply.....what a life

[@stevenmeadows6917]

Useless

[@livewireOrourke]

I thought it was witty

[@kanesmith8271]

@@Elm98 something wrong buddy? 😄

[@bimmer8602]

Nice car mattyS love older bmws

[@marlenerami3151]

Trust what this engineer is saying. He knows what he is talking about

[@gezzuzzful]

no engineer said it was going to collapse before it did

[@glennsmusicchannel]

@@gezzuzzful watch the video

[@jonchalk3855]

My grandfather was a state civil engineer and he would say the same. Another disaster just waiting to happen if nothing is done, and properly.

[@mattk8810]

Champlain south does all their maintenance. Though, it needs to be reinforced.

[@denverdubois5835]

If I owned the blue hotel next door, I'd be calling in structural engineers to make sure my property was safe, and lawyers to prep a bigass lawsuit just in case.

[@williamhaynes7089]

its a Time share, Blue-Green Time share company runs it...

[@finddeniro]

Let the Lidigations ..Begin.

[@Dilberto88]

Hotel next door was built in 1965. The right way. Yes, they keep it up.

[@tangerinetech5300]

I really doubt youd win any type of case unless they can prove they cut corners building the the apartments that collapsed otherwise you can't sue anyone in a natural disaster.

[@robertjennings397]

@@williamhaynes7089 a

[@petemiller519]

It's called an unbraced wall. I am a retired structural, and he is 100% correct. Those walls are designed for the deck to act as a brace. Without the deck, the top of the wall is not braced, and any surcharge on the roadway will cause the wall to fold over. I have done over 50 suspended slabs, and in every case the walls required to be braced at the top by the deck. They are not designed as free standing for the simple fact it costs more.

[@danielahoti4109]

Why aren't the walls pulled down/ demolished completely? Makes no sense to me that these dangerous walls are still standing. Impossible to happen here in Germany 🇩🇪☺️

[@petemiller519]

@@danielahoti4109 If you pull down the walls then you must erect a new wall to hold back the earth, roads, and other infrastructure. It is just easier for the time being to brace the walls until this mess gets sorted out. The walls are located on private land, that means strata would have to pay for it. All of the owners just lost their multi million condos, and building very expensive retaining walls is the last thing they want to do. This will become an insurance claim, a mess of lawyers will get involved for numerous parties. It will be a legal mess first, someone will purchase the property and a new building will be erected. Cheers from Canada :)

[@s.floridaliving5692]

@@petemiller519 This is a 100% accurate assessment of what the issue is, and how it is going to play out. Will probably be tied up in court for quite some time. I'm not smart enough to be an engineer, but even back in the day, doing demo jobs, we always made sure we shored up any wall that didn't have support any longer.

[@PaulJersey]

@@petemiller519 I agree 100%. They need either to install structural steel braces, tie-backs or fill. All expensive options if they want to open the street. Generally the demolition contractor would leave the old foundation in place and fill the site to grade, so street support, utility support, etc. would not be an issue. Then when they new building was constructed they would remove major sections of the old foundation as they construct the new foundation. This is an unusual situation with unsupported walls, etc. Just a screwed up tragic situation.

[@teebzr5975]

So you're saying the wall would fall down. It's very short tho? Sorry I don't understand the danger

[@EzeePosseTV]

I'm not a structural engineer but, even I could see that there was a danger of the bathtub walls folding over. Get some bracing and brackets on those walls NOW before we have a secondary disaster on our hands.

[@miacenter643]

oh please you didn’t think of that

[@EzeePosseTV]

@@miacenter643 Oh Pulease, are you really that dense?

[@borisquince6302]

@@miacenter643 yes, he could see it after the engineer pointed it out 😂😂😂😂

[@tangerinetech5300]

@@EzeePosseTV dawg shut the hell up you didn't think of anything

[@somethingtojenga]

The Surfside official we all know exists: "Nah, I think it's fine, let's reopen the road."

[@Dan-qt7kq]

You do not grey and wrinkles like that from not having saddle time. 63 yrs, pretty sure he knows way more then most.

[@MegaSnow121]

Ouch. Sounds very serious. I thought with the debris removed, the site was safe again. Glad they have an experienced engineer to give them advise on the dangers remaining on the site. My heart goes out to all the victims of this horrendous event.

[@johnmajane3731]

This engineer gave our company a lecture on the rebuilding of the Pentagon. If he says there is a problem there is a problem and it should be addresses asap. He is one of the top structural engineers in the World let alone the US.

[@denniscashell2407]

Reporter's a drama queen

[@ReptilesGeniales]

He is GOOD!! Thanks for using a very experienced engineer for this job, he does an excellent job!!

[@customconnections2425]

Always pay attention when the OG speaks. They know, even if you don’t wanna hear it, you will live it through, and will learn the hard way. Just like they did. And the story always repeats.

[@Vito_993]

But it’s Florida freedom listen to no one and blame Obama

[@Dan-qt7kq]

I couldn’t leave that building fast enough.

[@matthewmosier8439]

It seemed a bit overhyped in the clip, but basically the foundation wall near the roadway is no longer being supported along it's top by the rigid slab. The title of the video is a bit confusing, it made it seem like it was the sister building which is in danger of collapse but it is actually referring to the site of the condo building which already collapsed.

[@Wazupiseeyou]

@@matthewmosier8439 I read the description and it says “South”. Why would you think they are talking about “North”?

[@DJRenee]

Right

[@friedchicken1]

@@Wazupiseeyou because a lot of people is not sure if north or south collapsed and the title specifying "south" will make those people think that it might be the other one

[@jasonm1690]

I just got done watching videos of this guy inspecting the North tower a few hours ago. Now I see this and I don't even question this man. He knows his stuff.

[@williamhaynes7089]

anyone willing to stand there and drill holes in columns and floors of a questionable building w/o crapping their pants gets a thumbs up from me

[@MaryMacElveen]

Heed the very experienced engineer's warning. We don't need any more loss of life. I hope those who own other high-rise buildings are checking their buildings.

[@infiniteuniverse123]

Where was someone like this when they inspected the building so many times before?

[@MaryMacElveen]

@@infiniteuniverse123 You are exactly 💯 right! Sadly, it's going to turn out that people dropped the ball and perhaps money played a huge part in this tragedy.

[@s.floridaliving5692]

@@MaryMacElveen money played a HUGE factor in this. The condo owners played a game of kick the can down the road and finally ran out of road.

[@williamhaynes7089]

@@infiniteuniverse123 - it wouldn't matter, the building was inspected, failed and they were scraping up the 55 million to fix it , just too slow

[@brianatkinson6600]

@@MaryMacElveen you got that right! I see kick the can everywhere. Fixed income people are turning HOA's into retirements communities for people with no money.

[@Grejegando]

I've worked in construction for 16 years. On a typical new construction you would have strutting pipes and wailing beam holding back the excavation (depending on the size and depth of the excavation as well as on other factors.) No sane engineer would leave those boundary walls unsupported like that. A landslide could happen at any moment and those walls can't take the shear forces acting on them without proper supports from the inside. Those walls are currently acting as retaining walls but they weren't designed for that (according to what I had just heard from this gentleman).

[@1953childstar]

For a "mere 12-13" story building, wouldn't steel girders and concrete be used ?

[@Grejegando]

@@1953childstar Yes. Each building has its own specifications and other factors like the type of soil/ground also play a role. I worked mostly on high rise buildings in Dubai where the dug ground is mostly composed of sand and buildings are typically over-designed since labor is cheap and the weather is harsh.

[@dispositivosdesalomao7874]

As a Civil Engineer, I completely agree with this man. As a Brazilian who's not used to watch this type of news, I'm shocked by the amount of drama added to the situation.

[@melikey3758]

Now imagine that type of “drama” added to everything by the media. Especially when I comes to one-sided politics, etc.

[@nadogrl]

@@melikey3758 - Drama and fear-mongering.

[@dispositivosdesalomao7874]

@@melikey3758 @nadogrl no wonder the number of panic attacks are increasing in the USA.

[@1953childstar]

@@dispositivosdesalomao7874 Yes, with COVID, political drama and now this ( Plus, I am no longer 22 years old and thinking I am invincible - I cherish every day !! )..

[@lisaknight4986]

That man knows what he is talking about he has had years of experience in the field.

[@icare7151]

To the Surfside Captain Engineer: There needs to be proper ASTM etc testing deep in the ground moving up through the columns and foundation walls. FACTS: The city/towns of Surfside, Miami Beach and County regional building departments weren’t concerned when 774,000,000 million lbs of new beach sand drove passed Champlain South Tower parking garage entrance road on 88th and on the West 8777 Collins Ave, NOR were they concerned when 87th Terrace was removed along with further massive shock, dynamic and static loads were placed on Champlain South Tower’s South foundation wall and decking as Champlain’s HOA allegedly complained to Surfside “these activities are causing damage to our foundations and buildings” including water intrusion into garage, side pressures on foundation walls, etc. The foundation wall can easily be shored up with timber and Ram set steel into garage slab floor. Keep the pumps running and install bracing. When is Surfside Captain Engineer going to do the proper ASTM etc testing?

[@Pro-Deo]

makes me wonder how many other buildings right there are in peril.

[@Courtney-pe2iw]

Probably not unless they fall on other buildings. Or they have structural damage too like South tower but he can check them all. I think South Tower was getting too much water in pool deck and under that wasn't fixed.

[@Courtney-pe2iw]

These walls left up from it though need to be tore down or something put there

[@Us3r739]

Florida is just not meant for huge buildings. It’s a swamp.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

They're still doing foundations like this NOW.

[@wendyj.3858]

And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.

[@chincemagnet]

Yeah, it was great

[@virginiaw8608]

I'd trust him...he has no dog in this fight, but to keep people from dying.

[@dentatusdentatus1592]

But he may have a cat or at least a hamster that is planning to get in the fight 😁

[@jaysun070476]

They probably didnt listen to this guy when the building was constructed.

[@catfan5756]

Wtf are you talking talking about? He is talking about the site as it now sits. And 35 dummies gave you a thumbs up. F&$k the country is doomed. Did anyone even watch the video? Or do people just lack any kind of comprehension?

[@Men-R-all-the-same-]

He was just hired by the town of surfside now.he wasnt hired before when the building was constructed

[@ricocheteraw90sthebestdecade]

@@catfan5756 you got way too angry man fix your life

[@catfan5756]

@@ricocheteraw90sthebestdecade bro the video spells it out clearly. This guy's comment is crazy stupid. The building was built 40 years ago. Who knows what this guy was doing. If you're not concerned about 51 people watching a 5 minute video and not being able to understand or comprehend what the video was even about. I think you better fix your life. Because you're not going to be able to live off the hard work that built this country forever. This kind of stupidity is why countries fail. When it does fail just remember to suck it up.

[@catfan5756]

@@Men-R-all-the-same- thank you,. Excellent post. Good grief. The comprehension level of some people is really concerning. The video wasn't that long and was quite clear.

[@allee358]

He is saying: The retaining walls of the basement needs angular bracing for the counter weight acting to the wall top! Temporary steel work is needed. Itg is now needed because the upper support of the wall is now removed. Where the retaining wall used to have a opposite force acting on the wall top from the pool deck slab.

[@ThePrissy11]

Thank you. It wasn’t clear from this dirt bag news station that milks this situation for all its worth.

[@KB4QAA]

Allee: "Buttresses". That is what is needed. Need not be steel. Could be concrete.

[@noonedidthistome]

correct - the main floor / pool deck slab acted as a diaphragm bracing the wall at the top and the garage floor slab and footing braded the wall at the bottom, now the bottom is still braced, but the top is not. a true retaining wall in a landscape, for instance is designed without the expectation of the diaphragm bracing at the top, so other methods not included in the design of this wall are used to compensate for no bracing at the top

[@ThePrissy11]

Everyone thinks they’re an expert

[@ez1913]

He was hired by the same folks that are being sued for letting it fall down. Let's listen to every word he says!

[@petuniaromania6294]

The entire site will continue to be dangerous because it's still subsiding. Properties and their structures on either side of this property should be constantly monitored now for movement, cracks, and/or fissures of any kind within and without the structures.

[@scherzva]

I agree.

[@colenexoxo8939]

Agree.

[@winecrimesfoodandtime7119]

Most certainly

[@peterguindo1576]

Please follow his advices, this guy is an expert, he has the necessary experience on this field.

[@fixthatface483]

The reading of those quotes were dramatic as hell

[@excavate08]

SUBSTANTIALLY so.

[@stephenpmurphy591]

He's a honest man with a conscious rare in today's world.

[@latinaforever4892]

Well done 👏🏼🙏

[@snowmiaow]

I would trust this guy's opinion.

[@joyluedtke4842]

And surrounding buildings? These are deep foundations. This guy is thinking about stuff nobody else is…

[@anthonyziemba6920]

If everyone was smart get your money and get the Hell out of that area. Sept 10 is peak Hurricane season. Time is running out. Get your stuff and don't look back.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

If you sell it to someone, they get 5 years to sue you...

[@jennapuhl596]

Good for him!! He cares about human beings. I can't imagine being in his mind at this point!!

[@willbee6785]

An engineer on an other KZbin channel has just said it was 8 inches thick with single rebar reinforcement. He expressed concern that it was thin.

[@jansonshine9082]

Not enough.

[@jaydenp4975]

Which KZbin channel?

[@Dallas_K]

Eight inches? Everything about that place was done paper-thin.

[@willbee6785]

@@jaydenp4975 Everyday Dazz

[@ashleylala4293]

I’m really digging the 80s vibe that I get from that glass block moment in the background. Reminds me of simpler, better times. I wish I had a time machine to escape this dystopian nightmare which has unfolded.

[@larryjohnson3087]

The 80's Vibe of nothing is impossible and everything is unlimited it was got us here today?

[@AlexKS1992]

The ironic thing is that those condos were built in the 80s.

[@fosbury68]

I lived through the '80's. Restaurants and bars were smoke-filled stinkholes. You could even smoke on airplanes. I wouldn't go back to the 80's for a second.

[@AlexKS1992]

@@fosbury68 You got to admit the 80s was the best decade for music but for other things not so much.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

@@AlexKS1992 1980 exactly. So late 70s.

[@corib2025]

Hope they brace that wall quickly. If the land under the road slides into the site, there’s no telling where it will stop. Could It take out the structures across the street?

[@jamesrogers4674]

Should just expose their foundation is all. But a pool deck falling shouldn't bring down a building either.

[@rosalynw.otieno1994]

He seems to be suggesting a gigantic sinkhole swallowing everything around it after an explosion caused by pressure under, inside and alongside the wall. In other words, a concrete and steel bomb and then an unpredictable crater.😳😳😳

[@melodiefrances3898]

@@jamesrogers4674 except that the columns were all rotten, and structurally connected to the ones holding up the condo, so they pulled those down with them. According to some videos I watched that looked heavily at the blueprints etc. Or rather, I should say, this is one hypothesis. And one reason why would have been better if the garage and pool were structurally independent of each other. It probably still would have been OK, if not for extensive water damage. Hopefully they will able to say for certain what happened so that it won't be repeated ...

[@1953childstar]

Or could everything simply "slide into the ocean", since it is not far away.. I am learning !!

[@jamesrogers4674]

He is just talking about the basement walls not designed to be a retaining wall by themselves without the now absent floor above to prevent lateral movement at the top. The bottom of the walls won't blow out (actually inward) because the basement slab is still intact counteracting the immense pressure pushing in on the perimeter wall. Standard construction techniques are: First the foundation, columns and walls are poured in that order or monolithic. Then the slab is poured locking everything laterally at the base. Backfilling still can't begin though. The tops of the walls and columns are only structurally secure from side to side movement when the above slab is poured linking everything together. Both bottom and top slabs provide compressive strength from filled earth compressing inward all the way around the building. If the walls fell in it would only disrupt the ground 30 to 40% angle from the bottom slab to the surface depending on the characteristics of the type and conditions of the fill material.

[@jordenberry3716]

I thought there were over 100 missing. Where’d they go? The rubble is cleaned up?

[@bellezanegra0206]

Some of the ppl were out of town. There is just one more person to identify

[@jordenberry3716]

@@bellezanegra0206 ahh yes makes sense

[@deborahbeaudoinzaki8019]

The garage was filling with saltwater, not rain water, prior maintenance manager stated “two pumps were not enough to keep the water out”…. At times it could be as high as 18+ inches of saltwater! Did this saltwater rust the rebar and crack the concrete; it was going on for years!

[@deborahbeaudoinzaki8019]

Was the garage lower than the ocean water table?

[@deborahbeaudoinzaki8019]

Should be a team of engineers working on this; Very complex issues and just getting one opinion is questionable when he states it could fill with “rainwater”, when actually it is reported to fill with “saltwater”; is this going to be a coverup so nobody focuses on the ocean water level rise and how it might have affected the building?

[@boricuadelight]

Officials need to listen to this man so they avoid further tragedy.

[@carolynbrown4112]

No one listened to the first engineers. It might be wise to listen to this one. 🤔

[@greghobbs1728]

Anyone else read the article about the crook who was the developer of this building ?

[@msr1116]

I only read that he was a Polish born Canadian in trouble here and up North for bribery. Would you happen to have a link to the article you reference?

[@denverdubois5835]

@@msr1116 I don't have a link but it was in the New York Times so Google should bring it up. His name was Nathan...Reitman, I think?

[@winecrimesfoodandtime7119]

@@denverdubois5835 Reibar

[@winecrimesfoodandtime7119]

@@denverdubois5835 so coincidental

[@galechicago325]

It was Hyman Roth all along.

[@armanddesarrierespays719]

Listen to him, you don't want more tragedy...

[@ez1913]

He is lying. He was hired by the same folks that are being sued for letting it fall down, and they need to destroy any evidence that may remain immediately.

[@carlag5746]

@@ez1913 why would he push to keep the walls intact if he was hired to destroy evidence? Wouldn’t he just say nothing and let the walls keel over thus destroying evidence?

[@debstrzelecki2485]

@@ez1913 Quit with your tinfoil hat nonsense. You really need to work on improving your listening comprehension. Go troll on some Q nutjob site.

[@ez1913]

@@debstrzelecki2485 I guess for those that have never been on a jobsite, doing real MAN labor, doing things that matter in the world, those folks would have ZERO clue about what was missing from the columns the remained. Get back in line miss sheeple. Never question anything and get that double shot of zombie juice. LMAO Another damn 50 cent troll. Head as empty as your page.

[@lorianndupont7586]

@@ez1913 o stop, please! Another tin hat.

[@susanjavier2008]

Heed to this man's knowledge, with the many years of experience and a keen eye, I would take his advise before all Hell breaks loose , hope something gets done to avoid potential accidents or deaths

[@Really14301]

I agree with you! (but you wouldn't heed to his knowldege) You'd heed his advice. It's advice... that could have been anyone. Funny there were Canadians in it....

[@susanjavier2008]

@@Really14301 well don't try to reword what I just said, I did said advice as well , hello

[@dogsaregreat3870]

Still got that sea water problem coming up under the foundation

[@burningdust]

Had an open excavation like this in my home town, it did cave in and took the nearby sidewalk and a section of the street with it. The construction company had to install sheet pilings along the perimeter of the excavation to properly retain the surrounding fill.

[@SavageSmithy]

It doesn't just act like a bathtub, it will also act like a boat. We know water gets under the slab and has flooded the basement several times but that is with the weight of an entire complex on top of it. If the water level gets high enough there's potential for it to start lifting the remaining slab which will further weaken the wall of the structure.

[@rootingforyou6399]

Unfortunately, even after this building collapsed, some people have not been awakened. In another location, there is a young mother with two young sons who hopes her building gets fixed quickly. Her inconvenience sounded more important than their lives. It is hard when a potential tragedy is lurking, to remove yourself from the building. The financial crisis is one thing, your lives is another. Sorry.

[@timc333]

There is no financial reason that mitigates putting your self in harms way or allowing oneself to remain in harms way , if you live in one of these deteriorating buildings , get out go to a hotel , if you have no money , get out go to your local fire station and demand shelter , the local authorities , must act to shelter you , but they will do everything to not pay for it . The local Authorities should take care of the people affected by this , but they should leave the engineering to the professionals , lets remember someone at the city did sign off on these buildings knowing what they knew ...

[@williamhaynes7089]

@@timc333 - if they have no money then they wont be able to pay for any Repairs that they owe when the estimate comes in... should they try and sell it?

[@1953childstar]

@@timc333 Very true !!!

[@WANNAWATCHIT100]

Even if they did build there again, who would be dumb enough to trust living there at this point?

[@salfromoregon4369]

People with short memories.

[@KB4QAA]

KC: There is nothing wrong with building another building on the site, or with living there. Sheesh.

[@misguidedangel6550]

@@KB4QAA sure if you don't mind living on hallow, most likely haunted ground. The energy around this place must be unreal. When that many people suddenly lose their lives with no warning you are left with an unbelievable amount of "trapped" energy. The spirits in the area would not know they are dead and to move on to the light. The spirits would be very confused with what is going on right now. This is one of the biggest ways that buildings and land get haunted when a tragedy suddenly takes many lives without the people knowing they were gonna die.

[@melaniebuford]

@@misguidedangel6550 I agree. There was an 1981 skywalk collapsed inside the now Sheraton Kansas City Hotel Crown City. People who did not know about the incident says it’s haunted. When you die unnaturally on land, it’ll become haunted (in a good way) because the soul is confused between realms.

[@KB4QAA]

@@misguidedangel6550 No, feeble minded superstition doesn't bother me. Example: Millions of people have died in Rome over the last two and a half millennia. Does that make it uninhabitable? Sheesh.

[@sct4040]

This makes perfect sense, the walls need to be prop up before the streets can be opened. There will be a cave in.

[@kathybrown8026]

It sounds so bad ! I am so grateful that no rescuers were hurt or the waiting families and friends! Close it all down until it can be carefully made safe! God bless everyone!

[@darifaust7665]

For the millionth time! Florida geography and high rise building do not work! There is not bedrock. None!

[@ericl2969]

Actually, I heard that this building was supported by pilings driven into bedrock, and so far there is no evidence that the foundation failed (it was above-ground structural elements that failed). But for you to say there is no bedrock shows ignorance beyond measure. There is always bedrock, any place on Earth. It's just a question of how deep. Supporting the foundation on pilings is how designers make use of bedrock that's too deep to reach by excavation.

[@richardmcleod1930]

"The Foolish Man built his house upon the sand".........................and we all know what happened, "the house came tumbling down". The Southern part of Florida is really just an island of sand. Building such enormous buildings on just sand is very foolish.

[@Honorable_Judge_Mental]

Mud, clay and other sedimentary materials making up most of Florida: 👁️👄👁️

[@TheEmmp]

Well that might be right, the pressure of all the dirt around it’s putting pressure on one side of the wall, when inside of the hole the wall has no support to push back or balance all that pressure from outside where the road or dirt, sand is, or might be collapsing inside and change any stability of the dirt, asphalt of the road, streets...

[@vt-yp7yq]

I'm surprised people still want to continue living on any of the existing property.

[@rosalynw.otieno1994]

Or anywhere near that town. I’d be packing my stuff and getting the heck outta Dodge City!!

[@Ronnie86753]

I agree with him 100% actually

[@ez1913]

He was hired by the same folks that are being sued for letting it fall down, and they need to destroy any evidence that may remain immediately. HE LIES! Lots of jobs sites look like that for months during construction. They don't cave in.

Are you a structural engineer, or should we take that as internet noise?

[@christinewolfe5481]

@@ez1913 : No, he was hired by the Town of Surfside, *NOT* by the condo association. The town is not the subject of any lawsuits, at least not yet. If the building was designed to sit like that, yes, it could sit for months, but it wasn't.

[@ez1913]

@ Have you ever been on a job site? Or are you just an internet troll?

[@ez1913]

@@christinewolfe5481 You are 100% on where his money comes from? He is lying. New construction sites sit in "Bathtub" for months and don't cave in. So the question is, Why lie? Because the population is easy to baffle with BS. If he's such and renowned expert, WTF was he before it fell?

[@eulinpetit-woodyear6816]

Bring the rubble back!

[@williamboyle8918]

ha!

[@dinosaurdude5668]

The engineer did say they could use dirt instead of supports.

[@misguidedangel6550]

I hope ur not serious?

[@dennis-qu7bs]

I don't understand. Is he saying the remains would fall inward or outward onto the road?

[@ct6502c]

I think he is saying that the retaining wall would fall inward, and all the shifting soil would cause the nearby street to collapse. That does seem like a possibility.

[@rosalynw.otieno1994]

It’s a sinkhole waiting to happen, basically.

[@theamerican7080]

Engineer hired by Surfside didn't kill himself.

[@Lou-C]

Bruhh lmao

[@jansonshine9082]

The disrespect for older, more experienced people here is disgusting. The newest generation belongs to the ignorant and unhatched.

[@misguidedangel6550]

I was raised to always respect my elders especially the elderly and that means opening doors, holding doors, standing up on a bus and offering your seat to a senior. Helping a senior if they are struggling. I rarely see this type of respect from the young these days

[@flgirl250]

@@misguidedangel6550 exactly! Some kids now a days are nothing to brag about.

[@dfar1962]

It may be worse than what this engineer is heeding. High tide and a broken wall may create flooding from the Atlantic. Below sea level, the sea water has saturated the soil/sand over the years and is a big deal. The parking deck floor was seeping water from the ocean for over 40 years. The dirt and sand is under pressure and saturated. Once released, this substrate will become a slurry. If the east wall collapses during a high tide, then the ground caves in and a river from the ocean would cause substantial flooding. Geologists need to get involved. More urgent is to structurally support these walls. Once the forensic engineers are done, then they need to back fill the entire "bathtub" area.

[@SirHumano97]

Dont they have a bunch of architects and engineers working on this? It's astonishing they were not prepared for this ...

[@peacelove3817]

So now I’m wondering if it’s the building structure or the original settings of the ground that made the building unstable???

[@rosalynw.otieno1994]

How about both? You know that saying? Garbage in, garbage out. That’s probably what we’re looking at here. My God, this is disastrous because that builder put up other buildings elsewhere, in all likelihood.😳😳😳

[@peacelove3817]

@@rosalynw.otieno1994 I hope they inspected all those buildings in question. Lots of evacuations to come if not already.

[@rosalynw.otieno1994]

@@peacelove3817 my confidence in the authorities is almost non-existent on this issue. They let the building maintenance keep being postponed after numerous failed inspections.

[@snowmiaow]

They should fill it with soil as he said and make a memorial park.

[@vidznstuff1]

The property was sold. Not a chance

[@snowmiaow]

@@vidznstuff1 Wow, that's mercenary.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

@@snowmiaow Where do you think the money is coming from to get for the victims and their families?

[@gracieg7601]

That’s because the buildings are built on reclaimed swamp land. It’s not fit property to be on. It’s reclaimed swamp land. What do you expect?

[@mightymouseofnyc]

This reporter is terrible. The story needs to be shared but this dramatic representation of the issue is overdone.

[@scdevon]

Lame media trying to make people jumpy all the time and boost their lousy ratings.

[@pennyyonts350]

That's what the media does - stir up emotions! Facts and truth would be nice.

[@olympiaskye2324]

Had it not been for the news, you would've all been unaware of any building dangers, enviornmental dangers. It's purpose IS to scare, so you can GTFO or else!!! lol Ungrateful..

[@olympiaskye2324]

@@pennyyonts350 Well, it's a good thing they didn't tell you aliens are landing! You would've believed that, then run over there, only to fall into a sinkhole..! That's what FAUX "NEWS" does. (sweaty Tucker Carlson nervously reads propter, sweat pours down his flushed face, like a waterfall) "OH! Everything's just fine...no There are NO laser beams attached to those weird looking machines, hovering over our heads at all...nooo...LOL Noooo...!! They didn't just fire at those schools...don't be silly! No, the churches aren't suddenly bursting into flames & the military wasn't called...UGH..Liberal media telling lies again..What you're seeing here now, folks is..Uh...liberal made videos are lies! (*yeah that's it! Tucker...LIE to em!*) Let's PLEASE go to commercial break!" lol

[@pennyyonts350]

@@olympiaskye2324 Well, now. Do you feel better after getting that off your chest?

[@coachanderson2704]

He knows his stuff! Listen to him! PLEASE!!!!! My GOD! This guy been doing this for 40 years!

[@coriebarnes8680]

Actually, he's been doing this for 63 years! He's probably the BEST man for the job!

[@gregoryagogo]

They need to finish demo and fill it with dirt.

[@garywheeler7039]

And compact it well.

[@garywheeler7039]

The city needs to hire a dredger immediately to pump sand from offshore into that hole, fill it up above ground line before the neighboring buildings begin to collapse.

[@lewisgarrison860]

Based off of what has happened so far on this site, now is not the time to say "No It'll be fine"

[@thomasdonald3291]

I think they should be more concerned with the sister apartments that are still standing, which were built at the same time, with the same materials, not a vacant lot

[@rosalynw.otieno1994]

Except the vacant lot is a potential Cookie Monster. It could collapse inward and eat up everything around it, potentially.

[@kathym5307]

I really hope the "powers that be" listen to this man and take his advice!

[@friedchicken1]

I'm curious to know a few things like: did the value of surrounding properties drop by a lot? I would imagine so. Are people trying to sell those properties and for how much less? etc etc

[@williamhaynes7089]

value is in what buyers are willing to pay, you can ask any price but the buyer must be willing to pay.

[@friedchicken1]

@@williamhaynes7089 and that's great cause that's how the market works, but I was asking a specific question

[@flowergirl3438]

Almost 100 people lost their lives and countless others have lost their home. Is this town playing Russian roullette with peoples lives and safety by not fixing this problem immediately. Tear down everything and rebuild a proper structure or make a memorial on the site. We don't need any more heartbreak.

[@katiehenry7]

With what money?

[@cspacone]

Can Rosh Lowe add a little more URGENCY and EMPAHSIS on several of the passages in the letter, please?

[@-kattya-]

Yeah, I cringed a lot, omg

[@pete5137]

...acting classes are starting to pay off.

[@paulbrancato8262]

Is anybody seriously suggesting leaving the site as is? Come on, give them a chance to get evidence, make plans for the site and just play it safe until then.

[@ThePrissy11]

Good comment

[@kenlieberman4215]

@G J No. Its an obvious problem. When traffic goes over the road it pushes the soil down and OUT. They need something to contain this force or the road will eventually collapse. The deck provided this lateral support when the bldg was intact. Its not a big deal, but something must be done if even temporarily.

[@lizsays3324]

I got the impression he's worried they will reopen the road before they reinforce the retaining wall. Hard to tell with this vague reporting.

[@npcdd1652]

But where did the dump trucks get loaded?

[@charlesbartlett2569]

@@npcdd1652 On the side road. Not Collins.

[@edwinacaparelli9911]

I'm trying to understand the physics of what's happening tonight curious does anybody in care to explain how the building is any different than it was when it was standing like as far as water and force. I'm curious as to what difference is now. Is it because the force of the building above is not there anymore so the force of friction from the side or the applied force from the side rather, could topple that wall?

[@neilwick5219]

There was a reinforced concrete deck, under the above-ground parking and under pool area and under the first floor, holding the top of the basement walls apart. Now, all of that is gone and there is nothing to counterbalance the soil pushing on the wall from outside the building.

[@edwinacaparelli9911]

@@neilwick5219 that makes sense thanks. No more equilibrium. Thanks!

[@matthewwiddows6319]

i can see his point, the ground level floor\slab\deck would have been acting as a brace against the outside retaining walls. with out that the soil it pushing in on those walls. be good to see this is handled when basements are being dugout for large skyscrappers etc.

[@RichardLee-yw8cn]

There are a number of individuals who shall remain nameless and who are glorified handymen posting videos on a regular basis indicating their assessments of the causes of the condo collapse. This is a great disservice. Kilsheimer is a world renowned expert who will come up with an extensive analysis and conclusion which will likely take months.

[@citroniron3293]

I have a feeling that this is basic engineering in buildings and nobody is acting accordingly on the site. Why?

[@williamhaynes7089]

because no one wants to pay for it

[@jcsgodmother]

This is the man they would not give access to the site. Seems like he is smarter than they are.

[@toyo-boy3631]

That is what MSM is telling us. Why shouldn’t we believe everything on the tv?

[@Iwillnotbepushed]

63 years of experience says it all. Take action immediately. Collapse is imminent!!

[@chincemagnet]

These are the people we need to be listening to. This mans extensive experience basically makes him a master in his field.

[@davidrivero7943]

Shore it up , fill it in , declare it what it is , Sacred Grounds. Rope it off , fence it off , lay a forever reminder of what & why this happened here including pics & names of those fallen .

[@williamhaynes7089]

the owners/victims would like their money from the land sale..

[@runngunn]

So all the debris has already been cleared off the site? If so I'm amazed it has occurred so quickly.

[@Ms.NoNo2]

So it’s time to fill the hole with dirt or concrete

[@stumeister6891]

I wonder why nobody followed those dump trucks to see where they were going when hauling away the debris pile. I am out of state so not sure if anyone was curious enough to find out where that debris was taken to

[@monty9373]

This man still takes the Iron Ring seriously.

[@alicehallam8247]

And did anybody check to see if there's a sinkhole down there due to years of water seeping through the parking structure then into the ground?

[@drchangtorres]

Not only there they should check all the building by the beach!

[@alicehallam8247]

@@drchangtorres Yes! The beautiful water there also may make the location a dangerous place to build large, heavy buildings.

[@joemaloney1019]

It was more than that, there could have every been sea water inflow under the basement garage slab. Tidal forces could have created a space under the floor slab.

[@chevdad1566]

And it did happen as high tide came in. A previous maintenance man claimed that the parking garage kept getting salt water coming in.

[@dgrn101]

He's not wrong.

[@Djsexton25]

I’m curious if all the buildings that close to the salty ocean and has been hit by hurricanes and flood water has the same or similar things going on ???? Water damage from the ocean over the yrs can easily cause damage.

[@melaniebuford]

Listen to the man. I would not put my life on the line should there be another condo there. A memorial site there or near.

[@ciaransmullen1088]

Why the hotel manager should have closed resorts for engineers reason.. it could have save people live..