Victorian Loungewear or Athleisure: What was casual Victorian wear?

[@EngineeringKnits]

I hope you all enjoyed me rambling on about Victorian Wrappers for a long while! Exciting news!! I was able to find the original source for the morning corset, a Berlin Magazine from 1893 - digital.ub.uni-duesseldorf.de/ihd/periodical/pageview/3088267 and the name of the corset is translated to Morningcorset (or couch potato corset 😆). I am really wanting to make this now! A quick blogpost in english on the original pattern: zeitenzauberin.blogspot.com/2016/

[@agypsycircle]

Oooh! Thank you for sharing!!!

[@kjtherrick4031]

Thanks! I read this after my original comment. Maybe I can make one too.....

[@zagerous7558]

There is also bathing corset from the Victorian era, though a little later at 1902, that wraps around the wearer in similar manner.

[@MrsBrit1]

I also found where someone made one this year! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3bUcomihbSLopI

[@alabamalisa3872]

Ageless patterns sells this pattern. Google Ageless patterns #1322.

[@lamoon1525]

As a small child, my parents lived w my mother's parents, her aunts & grandparents. My grandparents were born during the Edwardian period or slightly before 1890s, but my great grands were Victorians. At marker 609, I can remember quite clearly my great grandmother wearing items which looked like this, as well as "dressing" for tea and dressing for supper. (My aunts were very fashionably 1940s). Great grandmother was only rarely seen without her apron which covered nearly her entire dress. She wore high button shoes as well, which were always polished and shining. My great grandfather was not seen without his hat, although I think that was a personal choice. He would remove it if a lady came into the room, but otherwise it remained on his head. He liked his beard. My greats had abandoned breakfast dressing, but did dress for their day early on. Breakfast was coffee or tea and a biscuit of some sort. You didn't see them eating cereal, they felt that was for horses and Kellogs was a conspiracy to abscond with their bacon. Which given WWI & WWII was a reasonable assumption. As a matter of reference, both my greats were near 100 when I was born in the 50s.

[@MiniMidgMom]

These are priceless! Please write a small book!

[@jubileeYAVEL]

Yeah seriously! It doesn't have to be a "book" just a series if short "storys" you know just little things you remeber. Like what you just shared

[@RaqueLauren]

Wonderful. Thank you for sharing!

[@animationstudio5311]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@theanneapproach9071]

Honestly: I really like the tick-tocking of your new clock. It's almost like it's part of your background music.

[@emilybeaton2947]

Think about whether you are more comfortable wearing a bra under your leisure wear, because if the answer is yes, I think you should make the corset. After all, it was designed as a support garment.

[@tymanung6382]

Descendant of Isabella Beaton. England s Martha Stewart ??

[@JustSaralius]

The whole bit about "women who don't wear corsets underneath their wrappers are deplorable and sloppy" sounds a lot like those makeup videos from mid 20th century saying "a woman who doesn't wear makeup is so ugly she brings shame to her entire family!". XD I would think that a lot of women wouldn't bother with putting on a corset in the same way we today might not wear a bra when we're home alone or with close family. Some people feel more comfortable with the support and others don't.

[@laughterismylullaby]

I’ve never felt so called out by the algorithm as when KZbin recommended me this video 😂 lovely! ☺️

[@MiniMidgMom]

Me, too! YT tapped me on the shoulder and said, “this!”.

[@vb7794]

Really interesting project! Ball gowns are incredible work of arts, but I also find daily wear or simpler clothes fascinating. The appron you own is verry pretty, I was going to make a very simple one but I think I'm going to wait for your video I really like the idea of the hand knitt lace, nice way to add a frilly touch with knitting. I also love the embroidery on the appron. As for the croset debate, the body of the person maybe was also a part in wearing one or not, like today with bra, I have a large bust and can bearly function without a bra, and women with less weight can go aroud without the need of a support.

[@agypsycircle]

Oh please try making the corset! That’s a really interesting and unique design and I’d love to see what you do with it! It also seems quite forgiving from the picture you showed! I’m definitely interested in this series idea, and I’ll be happily waiting for everything you come up with! I’m so excited!!!!

[@08icechick]

I would be really interested to see if a “light” corset, maybe something akin to the modern bralette or sports bra, was a thing and was commonly worn under a wrapper. For me personally, that’s what I prefer to wear around the house for some support, without the full armor of an underwire bra.

[@GhislaineBeauce]

I would go for the corset, if you can find more information about the morning corset, go with that, if not, how about the pretty housemaid corset by Symington? It's corded instead of boned, so you would have support and a lot of comfort.

[@kjtherrick4031]

I like your plan of making loungewear. I'd wondered about what women of previous times wore to lounge in too, although I hadn't thought loungewear would include so many layers. I say yes to the inclusion of the morning wrap corset because, much like with modern attire, you have bra hours-days and no-bra hours-days. If you make the corset you found, you'll have a choice. And, I'd really like to know more about this morning wrap corset! I look forward to seeing more as this project continues. Your new sweaters are wonderful. Really like the one you wore for this video; it's very flattering!

[@EagleRue]

I have made a wrapper with no boning, and I often wear much like historical references, in the morning, at breakfast and before I 'dress" for the day. I have a second wrapper, with light boning in the garment, I do not wear a corset with it. I fit the general purpose of the day wear wrapper. I do chores and hang out in this if I am not going anywhere (though I have popped over to the post in it before). I do love the experiential archeoplogy. I have been wearing the morning wrapper for at least 3 years and LOVE IT. My second one with boning, I only made this year and already it is getting wear and I need to make another. You can see the green checkered wrapper in many of my more recent videos.

[@aurorapapillon4883]

I'm now in love with that morning corset! I've been obsessing over wrappers for a while, I love the ones with rope closures.

[@caroleallen9398]

I love this project and I think you chose a beautiful material and design for it. As for the corset, I think it depends on the work you are doing in it. Can you bend and truly “lounge around” comfortably in it? I agree with the other ladies who said it would be nice to have the option. Then you could choose to wear it or not, depending on how you felt or what you had planned for your day at home. With this project, you will be spending a lot of time doing very intricate lace making and probably hand stitching, so I’d love you to try wearing the morning corset for some hours while doing that, and then you can tell us how you feel afterwards.

[@kitty-pm2md]

You could make a wrapper with a tie-waist as opposed to a kind of belt situation (which i think is what's on that pattern?), which was more popular towards the 1900s, and you could wear it both with and without a corset -- which was probably the reason they started making them that way. I feel like most women probably did not wear a corset to breakfast, and what those magazines were saying is really "poor women who dont have servants to do at least some of the work are sloppy and embarrassing" more than anything. breakfast was several hours into the average woman's morning -- you'd probably be too hungry for the corset by then! i imagine some women did prefer the support all the time, and some women unclipped their corsets under their clothes and flung them off the moment they got home from waged work just like women do today with bras. if reading 19th century magazines has taught me anything, it's that people have not changed at all.

[@artheaded1]

I can't fathom putting on a corset to have breakfast and do some housework and then taking it off because my tea gown is made for wearing with no corset, then putting it on again in the evening. I know every woman didn't have a daily routine like this, but it seems a little backwards to be a loose woman with your friends but have to be all bound up with your family. I definitely agree with everyone saying "size matters" when it comes to wearing a corset or not.

[@PopcornEmma]

I obviously love late 1800s fashions but couldn't really see myself wearing many of them but these wrappers look lovely to wear! Comfy clothes are a must for me

[@lacyminoux9177]

I selfishly hope that you make the morning corset. I want to see it but it would be really interesting. It looks comfy and it likely won’t change your measurements all that much (just provide some support) so you could go with or without.

[@hetaliaroxmysox]

I think the answer to your corset or no question is the same as the answer to the following question: when you typically lounge around the house, do you wear a bra? I'm pretty small chested (34B) so if I'm really having an at-home day, I won't wear a bra, but my sister is much larger chested (above a D) and she says she couldn't even dream of not wearing a bra in her day-to-day, even just to chill, bc she really needs the support. Your morning corset idea might be tantamount to a sports bra rather than an underwire bra, so it could be a really comfortable in-between

[@FanGyrlX]

I'm excited to watch your progress making Victorian lounge wear! I'm working on 1930's lounge wear. I love seeing how people are getting creative with at-home clothing right now!

[@kray3883]

One thing I'm really noticing on the wrappers is relatively big/widely spaced buttons compared to what I think of as Victorian...probably for ease of dressing.

[@MiniMidgMom]

One suggestion in the 1860’s etiquette book is to wear the wrapper over acceptable day dress. Perhaps with a loosened corset. Then, if you have unexpected callers you can remove the wrapper and do a quick shift and quickly become presentable.

[@lujadosyning]

I think the corset debate sounds kind of like a bra debate. DUH!!! I, personally, hate wearing my bra at home, but I know people who where there's day and night even sleeping in them. I bet it's the same with the corset. Of course, you are technically not fully dressed without a bra/corset but in the privacy of one's own home... That said, I love the idea of that morning corset. It looks quite interesting and I would love to see you make it.

[@delilahmertoglu]

I wear a bra all day and night except for when I shower but they’re always wireless and nearly always cupless so I’m not sure if that counts😊 I have very small breasts but I still feel uncomfortable without any support at all

[@kray3883]

Plenty of people go braless even in public, too...

[@ashleejones1690]

@@kray3883 Thank you! Unless the fabric is too thin, or the weather too cold, that's usually me. Some of us don't necessarily need the bust support, though there are certainly times when nipple coverage is more the name of the game.

[@genevievefosa6815]

During the summer, I am sure those light weight wrappers would have been very popular, with or without a corset. I have looked at those designs and come to the conclusion that pregnant women may have resorted to them a lot. I looked at some of the Mother Hubbard dresses, and came to the conclusion that they could easily have been made in wools and silks for dressier occasions, and fastened with a belt of some sort around the middle, or made of light weight cotton or linen for summer, and worn loose.

[@half-caffcrochet]

I cannot tell you how much I enjoy your videos (but I'm gonna try!). They are always packed with info and so compelling that I often put down my knitting to stare at the screen instead of just listening. I loved the combo you were wearing today with the pocketwatch. Elegant pairing.

[@vintagelife5195]

We did this as well. Traded in sweats and T's for proper PJ's. Its a great way to bring vintage in the home. Awesome video!

[@saricadouglas5469]

this is exactly the type on content I love and am always searching for. i don't knit, but i sew and am a fashion history enthusiast. thank you!

[@genevievefosa6815]

I made myself a couple of items out of linen, and found them to be really lovely and cool for summer wear. Linen wrinkles very easily - you sort of have to get used to the wrinkles - however, for a summer chemise, it could be ideal, as it absorbs moisture, and lets the air flow through it.

[@RetroClaude]

I'm so excited for this project! I love a wrapper and desperately want to make one to wear around the house so I no longer have to answer the door to the postman in my dressing gown 🙈 As to the corset no corset dilemma, I would say go with the corset but that's because I'm curious and want to see you make it! Wrappers tend to be pretty forgiving and adjustable so you could always wear it both ways in the end 💚

[@alaskacosplay]

I would love to make an 1860s morning gown or late 1890s wrapper made of a cloud printed spandex (because I prefer comfortable stretchy fabrics that could keep me warm and is more practical) which would hang free from a yoke with a lot of pleats to be able to both hide my figure and fit my figure with a belt as well as crazy sleeves with tucks and ruffles and would be puffy towards the cuff instead of the shoulder.

[@mandylavida]

This project sounds sooooo interesting. I can't wait. I think you should make a corset because....why not?! You don't have to wear it always.

[@MiniMidgMom]

I’m reading the same etiquette book, 1860’s version. One thing I would note is that the etiquette book is written for a lady with maids. So she would have breakfast as “down time.” I think the type of morning wear or wrapper would depend upon the social class of the woman you are representing. Is she primarily responsible for the home and childcare? I adore learning about daily routines, those small details that wouldn’t be in a book. Maybe I need to read more 19th century novels!

[@skaterbakes]

Can’t wait to see the next stage of your project! I made two short tea-gown-ish pieces to wear for when I have video calls/people come over and I love them!

[@catherinejustcatherine1778]

I, too, vote for a corset. Especially if you wear bras, or other support,with modern loungewear. I have not watched your video about the research yet, but I have watched several other costubers make the corset. Even if you decide to stop at the mock up, at least you will be part way in understanding the design of one. If you already have a functional homemade period corset, you could just use that. But, there may be a time when wearing the complete outfit, with a beautiful corset is perfect for you. I am a fan of entire outfits.

[@EdwardianTailor]

I think making a morning corset would be extremely interesting!

[@celticgoddess81]

If you are looking for a house dress Marna Jean from the domestic lady's dressmaker, has a house dress pattern called the "Kay" housekeeping dress. She does living history and does an amazing job researching.

[@celticgoddess81]

Marna also has a corded corset which is based on an extant garment. Which is what women would have worn under their wrappers/house gown.

[@Construyendoaishtar]

To see wrapers in a 1989 source: there's the H. O'Neil Spring and Summer fashion catalogue on archive.org (can't link it but it will pop up if you use these keywords). Wrappers were definitely still fashionable, there's a large selection of them!!!! I love your videos! You make historical costuming feel aproachable (as a hobby).

[@tinakauder6605]

Ich weiß nicht, wie oft ich dieses deiner Videos bereits geschaut habe (repeatable LIKE button please), so sehr mag ich es. Dieses Mal fiel mir wieder deine Bemerkung besonders auf, dass du kein perfekter Künstler seist oder kein perfektes Wissen zum Thema hast und dennoch darüber sprechen und es teilen magst, was ich so wunderbar finde! Vielleicht kennst du ja das deutsche Sprichwort:"Die Wälder wären furchtbar still, wenn nur der beste Vogel sänge." Daran muss ich jedes Mal denken! Danke für deine Inspiration und Leidenschaft sowie deine Großzügigkeit, diese zu teilen.

[@johannageisel5390]

That's fascinating! My grandmothers' generation would wear the good old "Kittelschürze" for house- and farm work. It was often also wrapped around, as in front-closing, that's why I had to think about it when watching your video. They were invented roughly 100 years ago in America and then became a kind of "national costume" in the GDR (Eastern Germany). In villages they are still around today. They may be ugly and made from 100% polyamid, but they were so practical, cheap and easy to clean that they became extremely popular. The victorian wrapper is much pretter, of course. I'm looking forward to your creation of one. Kittelschürzen: - images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91rQ02mwlAL._AC_UL1500_.jpg - images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/9197Ltw3MZL._AC_UY606_.jpg - www.nordkurier.de/sites/default/files/styles/bildformat_900x500/public/dcx/2014/11/14/doc6hwuurnzyg91mbn0xv3__file6hwcy0lnphj12dtffar0.jpg

[@Chaosprinzessin2010]

Hello fellow german! I love "Kittelschürzen". Both my BRD (FRG? in english ?) grandmothers wore and still wear them. But most of them made out of Cotton. I inherited some and you know what's really great to wear at home, in these inhumane hot Berlin summer days? Yep, my grandma's Kittelschürze. They should make a fashion comback, seriously. ❤️

[@johannageisel5390]

@@Chaosprinzessin2010 If they are from natural fibers, they are probably great. :) The GDR had them made from Dederon (Nylon), though. I guess there wasn't enough cotton, although the Soviet Union grew cotton in Kasachstan (which lead to the vanishing of the Aral lake :( ) A well made linen Kittelschürze with a little decoration could definitely be a fashionable and comfortable garment. The only problem is that if you want it in colour you cannot wash it very often.

[@brooke_reiverrose2949]

You know when you find a channel and you wonder WHY haven’t you been following it this whole time?? Curse ye YT algorithms! And thank you for *finally* sending me here!!!

[@sighcantthinkofaname]

oooh, this is something I know almost nothing about, so it's very fun to learn about. Also I'm jealous of you and your cold-weather knits. I want to make a couple sweaters, but as a floridian more than like three would be excessive.

[@cauldroncreations]

This video is so timely for me! I have been feeling the need to up my work at home wardrobe so I am not just wearing leggins and t-shirts all day and have been slowly figuring out what that will mean. Thank you so much for posting this!

[@WitchOracle]

I'm so excited for this project! I feel like the corset could be a really fun educational experience (I would definitely love to see it) but I think it would be reasonable to skip it. Can't wait to buy all the lace patterns you copy!!

[@TheMetatronGirl]

My opinion, for what it’s worth, is you should wear a corset if you would wear a bra. If I’m just having breakfast with my family, I’m not too worried about a brassiere...but if I’m doing housework, or any physical activity, I definitely want the support as a very amply bosomed person.

[@stevezytveld6585]

The wrap/morning corset is fascinating. I'm wondering if the people who look after the Simington collection corsets would have a pattern? - Cathy (&, accidentally, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown

[@EmsIsFab]

I'm excited to see your plans for loungewear. I really would like to make a wrapper or tea gown to wear around home... tbh I want a fancied up housecoat. Let's be real. I'll be a sloppy lady with no corset, haha!

[@sonjaklisch8126]

This is really exciting! I can't wait to be (even more) inspired to make some historical recreations! It'd be so cool to see you make the corset as well - but I imagine they take a _lot_ of time

[@laurenloertscher1319]

I love that book on lady's etiquette! I found it a few months ago, and it taught me so much!

[@melissamenchaca9121]

I personally would wear a corset under the wrapper. Perhaps modeling it with and without a corset would be good as I’d be interested to see how it changes the look of the garment

[@CocoTheSpookyLibrarian]

Quarantine has me OBSESSED with the idea of the wrapper

[@CocoTheSpookyLibrarian]

My thoughts on the corset. I think it depends largely on personality. I get dressed to shoes and makeup everyday for working from home 9 months into pandemic. But some folks still want to work in cozies (no hate towards those folks. My dress to shoes is mostly a headspace thing for me). If you're the later, probably wouldn't be a corset wearer. I think a lot of the "wrapper sans corset is terrible" thing was probably also a class/ role thing. A lot of that was about "proprietary" and creating the ideal curated Victorian home image. Where women were the representation of the order of their home. Probably trite moralisms.

[@EphanyasisOwleyes]

It's funny every time I watch one of your videos I'm always knitting lol

[@CVH2311]

This was such a lovely video. I really enjoyed it, with a piece of chocolate, under my blanket, on my couch. Thank you!

[@alabamalisa3872]

The morning corset comes with very little instructions. I haven't made it, but did buy the pattern. The instructions are the original ones. they assume you know a certain sewing technique and corset making. I don't have the skill set at this point to make it. I'd love to see you try! but wanted you to be aware.

[@lorettajames3175]

This project is quite interesting. You should definitely make the morning corset. The red wrapped is beautiful. I haven't started my costuming journey yet. I plan on it soon. I like the bustle/bum pad era and Civil War era. It will be a delightful time watching you make each garment.

[@dawnbell1685]

Very interesting project :). It made me wonder what kind of sleeves women 'back then' wore when and if a woman who wore a wrapper actually washed her own dishes. Just a thought because you made me curious when you mentioned washing dishes in your period clothing, this motivates me to research that aspect...Thanks and I look forward to seeing the progress of your project!

[@loribrown9808]

the wrapper sounds like a fancy robe lol im so excited to see the videos

[@coffemuse]

I love your videos. You have a unique take on historical clothing that I really appreciate. I'm really excited about your new project! The corset adventure will probably be tough (I'm just making my first corset at the moment) but so, so worth it!

[@Dianestitchcraftrelax]

Looking forward to following your progress. Very curious about the morning corset. Hope to hear updates on what you learn about it and will trouble play around on archive.org out of curiosity

[@CrystalPegasusCostumes]

Ooooh this all sounds delightful! I am on the side of making the corset - particularly trying that morning corset! As with wearing a bra, you can test out whether you prefer it or not, once you have the option.

[@ashleejones1690]

The ticking is actually quite soothing and, as far as I'm concerned, welcome back anytime👍

[@CountanceD]

I’m really looking forward to this series! 😊

[@nicnaknoc]

I´m doing some knitting while you talk - don't worry, we got your back, the world will have knitting during this video ;) ... BTW LOVE the tick-tock in the background, carrying that little piece of art near your heart must be so soothing.

[@unicornsinmybelfry2685]

Thanks to you, I bought myself a reprint of "The Art of Knitting". What a neat book to look through. I am temped to try some of the knitted lace patterns. So pretty. I enjoy your videos and look forward to more.

[@aleonard485]

I was wondering where I could find the pattern fo the sweater you're wearing in this video? It's wonderful!

[@Chrisflowgrows]

Can’t wait to follow this journey!

[@DebiSmithPouliot]

It was probably a corset manufacturer that complained about women not wearing corsets.

[@SwedishSalmonbox]

I've been wearing a McGonagall cosplay robe (made out of a blue/teal ish cotton) as a, well, morning robe for the past few years. It seems to me that that wizard and witch-robes might be based on wrappers? Altough not always worn closed.

[@delalangosta]

Thank you for linking to the sweater pattern!! I'm in love. Just found this channel. If you happen to see this, where did you find that pocket watch?? I have been looking for one like that for years for a dear friend.

[@rebeccarisk1772]

I enjoyed this, thank you

[@ajleblanc7474]

Your sweater!!!! It's gorgeous!!! Was it easy? The leaf sweater from the 1940s was not easy! So pretty!

[@christinehicks7868]

I bought that corset pattern (too advanced for me) I would love to see you make it as I couldn't follow the instructions.

[@anonymousperson4214]

Snappy Dragon has a really good video on wrappers (particularly the Mother Hubbard Wrapper) Might help explain the Views on Corsets as well (it's just people being intolerant and deciding that women have to perform feminity at all times, same shit we still encounter today with whether or not to wear a bra. Wear whichever makes you most comfortable, they did too. That turned out spicier than I was expecting 😂)

[@karengrohs4942]

I have an apron made by my great-grandmother in the late 1890s. It has a bodice portion as well as a very long skirt (almost to the floor) and handmade lace. Were aprons typically just the skirt part, or were they often done with a bodice as well?

[@lauraguglielmo]

yesss another 1890s project!!!

[@TheCassandraStryffe]

Very cool video. Thank you!

[@Chaosprinzessin2010]

Hi, I really can't remember where I heard this, it wasn't that long ago, I think it was a KZbin video? Maybe something of Abby Cox wisdom? The "morning" corset might be something that was worn post giving birth... Gosh I really can't remember where I heard of that, "morning wear" being a code for post pregnancy fashion. Maybe virtuous courtesan at insta? I am sorry, if I am very wrong, but I thought I mention it, in case you decide to make the corset.

[@melissamybubbles6139]

I was thinking a few minutes ago about how to make corsets work. Something needs to be done about the hard line at the top. It is like the overwire bras of the 1950s which decreased cleavage while holding the structure of low cut gowns. Corsets probably work best under wovens cut on the straight grain. We need something made from natural fibers which still look good under knits and bias cut wovens which weren't hung to stretch before cutting and sewing. How does that impact our design work if we were to make historically inspired support garments?

[@MayYourGodGoWithYou]

Look at Regency corsets. Not all are boned and those that do only have a few while the cups are gathered fabric with a draw string at the top.

[@melissamybubbles6139]

@@MayYourGodGoWithYou Thank you. Nice. I would like that. How soft or stiff are they? I know you don't wear them directly on skin, but does it feel analogous to jeans, or something else? Also, if sewing by machine is accepted, do you know anything about the use of cording feet? I've been seeing people use zigzag and zipper feet, but there's a cording foot that supposedly does up to seven cords at once. Can you cord in between rows of corduroy?

[@SarahBent]

Can't wait to see what you do?

[@blixtbritt1563]

I am so here for this!! 😃

[@kvmackay]

so cool! thanks for a great video! :)

[@sorthames]

Where can I find the pattern for the sweater that you're wearing? I would love this sweater!

[@suiyinwang5622]

It looks like it's the Rowena jumper from Fabel Knitwear! Her patterns can be found on Ravelry:)

[@lunegarcia4087]

That's a really pretty sweater! Did you make it? Very interesting video also

[@lunegarcia4087]

I would vote for wearing a corset, btw

[@outoftheforest7652]

where didd you find the original source material>?

[@ellieisbusy]

What you’re talking about: Victorian wrappers What my insomniac brain hears: Victorian rappers MC Lady Georgiana in the house! (Sorry. Not really.)

[@practicallymedieval2027]

If you would wear a bra, wear a corset, they basically have the same function, one just includes a back brace.

[@nat0y]

This sounds like the predecessor of the housecoat/house dress

[@janetwise3248]

Considering how much of her life a Victorian woman might spend being pregnant, having a garment that could accommodate her changing size and shape was a practical necessity.

[@RaqueLauren]

So this is where robes come from... interesting

[@eiszapfenkobold]

She made a video about the Morning Corset: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3bUcomihbSLopI Love her information maybe you can write her.

[@Sanecrist]

I vote not to do the corset. I think the etiquette books were a source of eyerolling for the average person. Much like cosmo dating advice now. In youth, you might put more merit to it and with more life experience you realize how impractical it is. But I'm also not convinced woman used corsets as much as is being touted. I absolutely see their value for posture and in back breaking work and in no way see them as torture devices as mainstream media claims. However, to compare to the modern day bra, it's unhealthy to wear one every waking moment and counter productive in the long term. (Boobs lose shape the more one wears a bra, lack of lymph drainage, pressure on the shoulders ect. just as the ab muscles would lose strength if not used and possible impediment to digestion)

[@caragarcia2307]

It just seems really rude to criticize women for what they wore under their wrappers. I doubt most people even cared.

[@hitzchicky]

Possibly true, but even today we criticize people for what they wear in public.

[@caragarcia2307]

@@hitzchicky Unless it's inappropriate, it's still rude. The president of a place I worked at showed up in a version of fish net stockings for her introduction meeting and it was just surreal. It wasn't the only thing off about her but everyone noticed before she even opened her mouth. None of the other office people would get away with it. Maybe at her location but not ours. Everyone else were required to wear long pants.

[@caragarcia2307]

I guess what made it worse is we just had a memo banning sweat pants, leggings, and yoga pants. We worked a lot of overtime and the job was very hard on our clothes so we didn't want to wear expensive pants. A lot of the ladies were either pregnant or had small or average waists and large hips and rears and just had a hard time finding pants that fit. It just came across as very unfair. It's not like they could hide their figure anyway.

[@my.dumpling5557]

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