England fall short... again | Telegraph Rugby Podcast

[@Vlerkies]

NZ were getting hammered by the whistle, their own fault or not, but still managed to construct 3 tries. Eng, an intercept for 1 and that was it. The points Eng got were from penalties, NZ need to fix that, without that Eng were never in the game. Likewise, Eng need to look at their attack.

[@jlm0175]

@@Vlerkies I don't believe it was our discipline that led to those penalties. Disguising obstruction blocking runners as decoys is a blight on the game, Ireland do it all the time too. Most of their penalties came from this, big reason Barrett and Savea asked the question multiple times

[@TimMoss-uz5ps]

@Edgycoonothing to do with English defence

[@steph333-w6u]

Look at the stats on Ben Youngs pod cast NZ play pretty much twice as much rugby. England got away with murder for offside and loitering round rucks. England made more dominant tackles but the stats are telling.Penalties and NZ lack of discipline kept them in the game..

[@TimMoss-uz5ps]

⁠@@steph333-w6umore fool then then . If Clarke hadn’t slapped the ball . England would have scored . 3 missed dropped goals aswell . If itoje got the offload to furbank could have been try under the posts . It’s all what aboutism. Saying New zealand mistakes kept them in the game doesn’t mean shizer. “ englands handling errors kept them in the game . Poor defence decisions from ford and genge kept New Zealand in the game

[@richardscanlan3419]

@@TimMoss-uz5ps which seemed permanently offside......

[@944CoyoteV8]

This was a great listen, gents. Thanks a lot. I think confidence was England's biggest issue, not necessarily for the individual player, but coaching, tactics and maybe culture. The bench execution was planning rather than reactive to the present, and they'd try something once and give up. They played bloody well though, and this Kiwi has huge respect. Just wish my team would stop giving away penalties. 🇳🇿 🤝 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇮🇪

[@steph333-w6u]

Thanks for a very thoughtful and informative podcast guys.

[@geoffnelson6756]

Ford was not at the races for this one, the DG not his fault, ball arrived above his head in a rushed pass, but his tackle on Telea was weak, should have been around the waist and into touch, but Genge got caught a couple of times also, he offered a 3 yard gap to Telea instead of covering that and trusting his team mates inside. England had it, but managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@ObiePaddles]

Disciplined? Why no comment about Itoje attempting to kick the ball when Talea scored one of his tries. Should have been a yellow but not noted.

[@jlm0175]

More than a few things not called out called incorrectly in that game. Would say that Clarke's knock on should've been a yellow too and he really needs to sort that out. My major issue with that game was the constant obstruction in the English attack phases which led to all of their penalty shots

[@steph333-w6u]

Also swinging arm tackle round Setiti on the charge. Round the neck reckless lunge dropped him. Clear penalty at least..Ref right there not even a penalty\, 26th minute

[@johncharley9791]

My concern was the number of times the kiwis were offside and none of the officials picked up on it. We have all these officials and camera coverage and still no offside penalties.

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

ENG didn't let anything slip. The ABs' poor discipline & execution kept ENG in the game. I mean, four off the ball tackles WTF? Tuipolutu's gift scrum offer in the final minute was a microcosm of our charitable vibe throughout this whole match. Reiko Ioane holding the ball instead of releasing it to the overlap players for the late run-in try was another. Thankfully, Telea scored shortly thereafter & DMac nailed the go-ahead conversion. But, we then give up the short kick-off & ALB brain-fades under pressure for a yellow!!!. All totally unnecessary gifts to ENG. The list is long. On the back of a lopsided penalty count & poor execution at times, we were effectively our own worst enemies. This should've been a walkaway win to the ABs. Instead, we nearly gave it up. Hopefully, this was the ugly cobweb dusting hitout we needed before facing IRE.

[@xSubutai]

I agree with 2 penalties that it was an early tackle or tackled off the ball from ABs. But there were multiple plays where Englands decoy support players were getting in the way of the defenders getting to the ball carrier and there was also times where the person was slightly in front of the ball carrier. Laws need to be clarified or just let the contact go. Also late in the game i saw D Mac do the exact same thing and attack the line in support of Will Jordan and he was tackled without the ball but Gardiner said play on. Absolute shambles of officiating from Angus Gardiner against the ABs.

[@christopherburgin5881]

England have a mental issue! How many games in the last 6 have gone from being ahead to losing.Picking unfit players lacking game time is madness against the AB's. Borthwick is not sensitive to whats happening with the momentum. Smith was not perfect but on fire, George Ford was under cooked. Stupid! Winning only 2 games out of 4 in the Autumn Series will not represent progress despite what Borthwick says. No Chance against the SA's.

[@richardworley7798]

A rough England win would have been great on this one, first game up playing NZ any win would have been great. Something to build on. Earl, Genge, CCS, all have fantastic go forward, let's see them running off each other and creating space

[@ObiePaddles]

@@richardworley7798 better they lost and look at the real issues of poor attack and inability manoeuvre the défense than paper over those cracks.

[@richardworley7798]

@ObiePaddles I get your point, we seemed to have gone backwards..but first game up with no warm up against one of the top sides, I would have taken and ugly win

[@alistermacpherson7120]

England sadly are still playing like they did in 2003 RWC.

[@ObiePaddles]

Dont agree that McKenzie could have been a better choice for this test. He plays so far behind the gain line and gets pummelled by the rush defence. Beauden caused the Will Jordan try by being close to the ruck.

[@steph333-w6u]

Not sure they got more turnovers, from the ruck. More knock ons from NZ who passed twice as much 205 to 95 Line breaks 594 Metres carried England 964 NZ / 87 Carries England 143 NZ Offloads 4 England 14 NZ Joe's a numbers man he'll quite fancy those stats

[@TimMoss-uz5ps]

Sleightholme on the bench

[@SalemTotal]

Should be used to falling short by now. Pity Rugby had no stupid boundary countback 🤷‍♂️

[@MAGA2024TRUMP-y8q]

Getting beaten 3 times in one yeqr isnt exactly "falling short" thats called a all black sweep.😂

[@José-j9y3b]

Boks had a 6 days in rwc and won thr rwc...

[@MAGA2024TRUMP-y8q]

So is nobody going to talk about the fact that teams like england and the originals at it ireland always rush offside and yet the officials never call it? I seen england do it for 5 straight phases and turn the ball over and then on the very next play all blacks rush off the line and get called offside straight away!!! I know northern teams need a lot of help to compete with the rugby giant nations but to make it that obvious is crazy.😂

[@buhlemankune3574]

"Oz can destroy SA scrum" with Skelton and Tupou😂🤣😂. Packing down...... English journo cooking @#$_$@(+-/(+. 20:38. 😁😂🤣. Beat Oz twice with A1 and A2 team.

[@SalemTotal]

Its simple really, NZ had 2 kicks to win the game and made them. England had two kicks to win the game and missed them 🤷‍♂️