Enoch Powell | Roy Jenkins | British Inflation | This Week | 1970

[@crazyfishmonster459]

When people debated the things that mattered, and it was shown in an unbiased manner. Totally alien to today.

[@pommiebears]

Coffee Arts politicians are still lying bastards though...lol! You get the odd one that cops it because he told the truth, but nowadays most are just lying turds. I’m hoping that they aren’t paedophiles now though, I truly am. Dirty, lying bastards!

[@kristiblack4789]

By design and Social Engineering. Divide and Conquer is a War Strategy used by the Romans and British for purposes of division and control. Plus the bonus is, they get us to fight, compete and destroy each other while they profit off of it ALL. It's as equally brilliant as it is repugnant! There can never be Peace while these Whores 4 War R US continue to illegitimately Control and Rule over us!

[@TheDeletedOneOrwellian]

Pommie bears live under tribalism see how that goes. Democracy and capitalism control and harness tribalism

[@gewizz2]

now its all black privilage this and black privilage that.

[@Sionnach1601]

@@TheDeletedOneOrwellian You're being thoroughly disingenuous. The meaning which I understood from Pommi Bear's post was the highlighting of *corruption*. You are talking about *systems*. No system will work efficiently or fairly with corrupt individuals at the helm. You can argue about systems if you wish, but please don't 'straw man' another man's argument.

[@stringingdaisies3429]

As a 10-year old İ would have flicked the tv channels to Emma Peel or Top of the Pops but i remember Enoch Powell as being very charismatic and having a strong impact on last century politics. These days İ can't get enough of watching vintage Enoch Powell. The logic, economic sense, and pure intellectual reasoning, the likes of which we won't see again.

[@billygiles3276]

Damn. I would give anything for such honest and intelligent politicians today.

[@force6769]

And yet if you lived in his time; you would scold him, insult him and protest him to the resignation. Do you know how i know? Because that did happen to him. People like you only change when they are showen with rigorous proof why they are wrong and that happens only with time.

[@steamteamkids3961]

What I don't like about these people is the sheer hypocrisy.He was in Australia, India countries INVADED by the British.Do you think they had a choice? It's like what's happening now racists weeping for south Africa but then saying a brown person can never be British, then how is a white person south African?????? If whites had stayed in Europe maybe everyone else would too

[@billygiles3276]

Force woah you don’t even know me and are making massive assumptions. In the contrary I would actively support Powell’s candidacy. I have to admit I wouldn’t support Jenkins but at the same time I wouldn’t protest his candidacy. So please don’t group me into these modern SJW totalitarians who endorse violence and removal from office of people they simply disagree with when thee person hasn’t even commited any crime

[@kentjensen4504]

@@force6769 You don't know the guy, you fucking idiot.

[@kentjensen4504]

@@steamteamkids3961 You don't know anything. The settlers in South Africa came to lands not farmed by anyone, with only hunter gatherer tribes roaming here and there. They settled, farmed the land, and were on good terms with the small roamng tribes. Only after the settlers started building towns, roads, turning the land into farms, building affluence, did people from farther north venture south, wanting to partake in or steal the sort of society they're clearly can't build themselves.

[@11Kralle]

Enoch Powell could reminisce about his fathers annual choice of livingroom-wallpapers and it would still be a feast for ones ears.

[@sacredsoma]

Jenkins so dribbles in panic

[@kloschuessel773]

11Kralle its amazing

[@zeddeka]

@@sacredsoma Jenkins regularly wiped the floor with Powell in parliament

[@southlondon86]

If he were alive today this great man could help us reminisce about the good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. 😢

[@southlondon86]

@@JohnSmith-it6hj Missing apostrophe.

[@gorgeousaldo2007]

Two very different men having a civil conversation. These men were giants of British politics. We don't have anything like them today - just a succession of bland nobodies.

[@allanchalmers9778]

Glad to see it made a difference.

[@roberthunter4927]

Agree.

[@londoncalling151]

Masons.

[@jean6872]

You are forgetting Jacob Reece-Mogg.

[@richardwillford2418]

With the exception of Boris, who's a blatant nobody.

[@ChristinaMitchell-USA]

When Roy Jenkins said '6% inflation was inconvenient', I could not imagine a better example of British understatement.

[@KaiserFranzJosefI]

Inflation would reach 20% by the late 1970s, so it was just a bit inconvenient at the time

[@highdefboxing8056]

@@KaiserFranzJosefI Actually, that would be the mid-70s. 1975 to be precise, when inflation actually peaked at slightly above 24%. By the late 70s it was down to 13-15%.

[@Sensorium19]

Listening to these men restores the intellect.

[@jonser20cent68]

Yes its a tonic for the mind.

[@davidkennedy6251]

Two remarkable men, political figures of real intellect and ability. I don't see many of today's politicians in that same light.

[@rogercliftonville-acton1574]

They'd never get elected. People prefer sweet lies over hard truths. Given people in this country and their utter inability to consider voting anything other than blue to keep the reds out and red to keep the blues out, it seems quite reasonable to say 'we get the government we deserve'

[@londoncalling151]

Masons.

[@jean6872]

Today the Tory Party has such intellectual giants such as Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and Rishi Sunak.

[@tneita3166]

​@@rogercliftonville-acton1574 Roger, the thing is "yesterday sweet lies" has become today's"hard truth", or don't you see it that way, just saying,,,.

[@daviocampi6951]

​@@jean6872In hindsight intellectual dwarfs who are not wholly conservative and lack integrity. Liabilities and not rewarding the tax payer. Either through incompetence or liberalism.

[@chrish2359]

Two incredibly smart politicians. No MP now is close to their level.

[@HuxleyWasRight]

all they care about these days is PR and virtue signalling to make themselves look "right on" as opposed to doing whats right for the long term.

[@johnnyhammer]

Rees-Mogg?

[@chrish2359]

@@johnnyhammer I agree he is one of the smartest of the current Parliament but he isn't comparable to these two. This is evidenced by Rees-Mogg's book on Victorians which was largely ridiculed in comparison to the highly regarded works of Jenkins on Gladstone and Churchill and Powell's poetry and gospel commentary.

[@ftorres93]

Those old ladies spoke more sense back then than any politician does today.

[@nostalgiaof98]

And reminds me of Monty Python's pepperpot character influence

[@mckinnhe]

@K L As clever as a belch out loud. Your Voltairian wit skewered Mr. Torres as if he had been stabbed by an ice cream cone.

[@clauderebello2850]

SPOT ON..!!

[@trappistpreserves]

You sexist fucking twat

[@billygiles3276]

trappistpreserve any more of your masculinity you want to give away in the name of totalitarian liberalism?

[@SuperFerdie1965]

Jesus Christ. Listen to Powell and contrast it with the pygmies we have in Parliament now.

[@dellawrence4323]

Research Enoch Powell, he was an intellectual giant that is why Heath got rid of him, he was terrified of his intelligence and he knew Powell could see right through him.

[@humanforfreedom9583]

Del Lawrence yep Powell suspected that heath was a internationalist, almost a communist, and his eagerness to get us into Europe sort of confirmed this for Powell.

[@silverbullet2008bb]

Compare listening to Powell to having the BS of Afua Hirsh and Owen Jones shoved down your throat all the time.

[@silverbullet2008bb]

​@@dellawrence4323 Heath was a wrong 'un. He was into little boys.

[@acropolisnow9466]

@@silverbullet2008bb unreal innit. It really does depress me.

[@satishrai5022]

It is an honour and privilege to hear Enoch. What an amazing and intelligent man.

[@barringtonsmith9147]

The man was fluent in five different languages, would you believe that one of those languages was Urdu

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

The most brilliant UK politician that ever lived. Read his Wikipedia entry. The man was an absolute genius.

[@ML-qk1px]

I believe Enoch Powell was a speaker of more than 10 languages

[@ejkalegal3145]

Shame his conclusions have been shown by time to be utterly wrong. You coconut.

[@satishrai5022]

@@ejkalegal3145 Not at all you freshie illegal immigrant

[@philtration-em7]

Shopping that cost £1 more in 1970 is equal to about £20 more in 2024. No different now as it was then.

[@islaarundel3741]

What a fascinating historical document. Clear and honest communication from serious, thoughtful men- so sad that this type of dialogue is only to be found now in old black and white reels.

[@arielgarcia1437]

I listen to these men whenever I need to hear an intelligent conversation, Roy is outstanding and Enoch sensational. I know I'm not the only one that listens to these men off and on.

[@londoncalling151]

Masons.

[@harmlessdrudge]

I enjoy listening to both Roy Jenkins and Enoch Powell. They were both highly intelligent and principled politicians.

[@peterbradshaw8018]

Enoch had a sharp mind.

[@billygiles3276]

It’s shameful how he’s portrayed as some knuckle dragging white nationalist by the media

[@EdMcF1]

A Professor of Greek at 25, he went from Private to Brigadier in WW2.

[@romeisfallingagain]

This country has fallen because men like him never got to rule it.

[@dellawrence4323]

He was an intellectual giant, that is why Heath got rid of him, Enoch knew what the plan was and he has been proven right.

[@dralanblacker8471]

Most nazis has sharp minds

[@adamholiday3450]

Amazing to see intelligent politicians engaging in civilised debate. Nothing like the cheap point scoring career politicians of today.

[@adamholiday3450]

I don't think they even mentioned the names of their parties once.

[@cmvalim2778]

Just imagine if her majesty’s government and opposition could debate like this today 😢

[@23rdjune]

Can you imagine putting these two up in a debate with a couple of today's politicians, like for example Dianne Abbott and Anna Soubry? Now that would be fun!

[@dicktiger68]

It would be slaughter!

[@stc40]

@@dicktiger68 Diane Abbott and Anna Soubry.....🤣🤣🤣🤣 You'd get more sense and intelligence from my goldfish......!!!

[@romeisfallingagain]

anyone that votes for a female politician, quite frankly, deserves everything they get...

[@LaggardlySort]

Neither of them are fit to shine the shoes of either Jenkins or Powell

[@MrDaiseymay]

UNFAIR AND POINTLESS. MORE LIKE REES-MOGG AND BLIAR

[@hermanirishman4525]

A very civilised discussion from a bygone era. Sigh.

[@dean1039]

Ah, Great Britain. That ancient, proud nation that no longer exists.

[@sammysouth8372]

Dean Ah, Great Britain that sucker of the world’s blood that happily no longer exists.

[@sammysouth8372]

stephen morris what difference does it make? Remember the old saying the sun never sets on the fucking British Empire? No sir think of any trouble spot in the world and the blame can probably be blamed on English misdeeds.

[@kloschuessel773]

Dean yeah. Im german and i miss it. Sad days.

[@duncanmiller1288]

@@sammysouth8372 that sounds a bit wacist to me sonny

[@adamtal7569]

You mean the greatest empire/commonwealth of all time...that destroyed/disolved itself voluntarily to abolish slavery & single handed stood alone against axis National Socialism ?

[@PatrickBateman191]

It is magnificent to listen to these two men. What class, what knowledge, what intelligence, what command of the English language.

[@sacredsoma]

I just cant get enough of Enoch, always so sharp and clear

[@GavinMorris1]

And, on this subject, on absolutely the wrong side of the argument.

[@rosecopard7082]

I think he was one of Britain’s greatest men, absolutely brilliant.

[@nilethomas3839]

Also one of Britain's most racist and bigoted but okay

[@GavinMorris1]

@@nilethomas3839 How's your Urdu?

[@nilethomas3839]

Gavin Morris can’t speak a word, why?

[@richardclarke376]

Be a brave man who'd debate Powell - Professor of Classics age 25, then the youngest Brigadier in the British Army

[@wutang6020]

Richard Clarke yes and from a private to brigadier!

[@zeddeka]

You clearly know nothing about Roy Jenkins then. He himself was an intellectual giant, and consistently used to wipe the floor with Powell in parliament.

[@zeddeka]

@Vir Nobilis nope - Jenkins had the reputation of being the supreme parliamentary debater of his era and was famous for the way in which he totally punctured Powell in parliament. On one famous occasion, Powell had made one of his highly complex logical, "glass tower" arguments that he was famous for, and Jenkins crushed him by simply saying "since the right honourable gentlemen always starts with a false premise, he is always bound to come to the wrong conclusion." Powell famously disliked Jenkins intensely because of this. When asked whom he disliked more, Ted Heath or Roy Jenkins, he said "well, I don't want to punch Ted heath in the nose"

[@weefeatures]

@@zeddeka "since the right honourable gentlemen always starts with a false premise, he is always bound to come to the wrong conclusion." A sophistic and vacuous statement unless the premise is proven to be incorrect. Stating something is wrong is not disproving it.

[@christophmahler]

@@weefeatures "Stating something is wrong is not disproving it (...)" Well refuted - whether Jenkins may have had valid arguments or not (as here, warning of monocausal and radical approaches). Today, public debate is solely based on _moralization_ of a position ("it's morally wrong") and personal attack, again based on _moralizations_ - as in the early phase of the French Revolution. The latter lead to civil war and Europe wide state war - before it was restored to a state, arguably less 'progressive' and succesful than during the late 'ancient regime'.

[@MrNaKillshots]

Enoch is an excellent listener, an amiable human being - as well as being an intellectual goliath compared to most, if not all, other politicians of his time ( and most definitely since ).

[@nacholibre1962]

Enoch Powell: The greatest Prime Minister that Britain never had. Singularly brilliant and a masterful statesman.

[@unknownkingdom]

Not if you are PoC, a woman. LGBTQ+, disabled, etc

[@notsuretbh7215]

Thank God he never did or would've had a chance to become at least Tory leader

[@sorrysirmygunisoneba]

@@unknownkingdom what is a woman?

[@tneita3166]

​@@sorrysirmygunisonebaaldor, you mean YOU don't know,,umm, Go & ask your MOTHER,if no answer then try this, WOMAN= A MENSTRUATING ,CHILD BEARING HUMAN BEING,,if by now you still don't know then maybe U R beyond help in that regard's,,,.

[@richardwillford2418]

True. And the same could be said of Jenkins.

[@obamalastname34]

Yow honestly people back then talk with such class. No interrupting and unbiased interview.

[@LouiseHaRrIs76]

What a breath of fresh air... Enoch the man! 👍🏻

[@hermanPla]

Back when the Pre-Thatcher inflation was the worst problem that Britain was facing.....

[@humanforfreedom9583]

It still is and it’s being purposefully done by the Bank of England

[@Judewilkinsonjfk]

I think you ought not to underestimate the seriousness of the economic circumstances in which they found themselves.

[@NyalBurns]

Humanforfreedom 95 no where near to the level is is today

[@zeddeka]

Inflation destabilised the whole economy. As Roy Jenkins rightly points out, it was the poorest people who suffered most from inflation.

[@adamtal7569]

@J LD i think at one point about25%..Relative prices can often be far more important than random basket of total prices.......e.g cost of basic food essentials ;cost of house/mortgage relative to wages.....There was a time in late 50s early 60s when a average working class man, perhaps skilled or perhaps older just promotion throu experience; could get a sometimes very low interst10r mortgage on a £1,000 house (i am sitting,sleeping on a 1963 all leather soffer that i was told cost £100 NEW-calm down ,i got it for free)...............................................In 1996 i & others moved into a £60,000 similar shared house rented-relatively cheap excellent value Honestly it was cheapest on market. Left /evicted after about 9 yrs having paid about £60,000 in rent ;& property worth increased in value to at least £120,000....Since then 15 yr later i guess those figures have more than doubled again..... When rent=mortgage how are u supposed to save for house, flat, or garage...i think i saved enough for a delux wheelie-bin........Good luck

[@cultureofcritique9735]

Christ, Powell's intelligence and charisma are both off the charts. It's nothing short of a tragedy that he never became Prime Minister.

[@Viewer-discretion-is-advised7]

I'm so envious of the way things were back then the way people spoke and people debated the things that mattered, and it was shown in an unbiased manner, England was English proud of its culture and history and not full of immigrants no diversity muticultral problems that we face today the imported problem that we the British people never asked for or wanted. Enoch Powell was right and if only he had become prime minister could we of changed the atrocity Britain is today.

[@mythinktube]

I couldn’t agree more!!

[@gx2music]

Powell. The greatest PM England never had.

[@halfaworldaway]

@Bobby Brennan I would advise re-reading the comment.

[@charlesrenniemacki]

@Bobby Brennan Yes, you've clearly missed the point Dragon Energy made, haven't you? Let me simplify it for you - Powell. The greatest Prime Minister England never had. Do you get it now???

[@southlondon86]

If only he had been PM. This beautiful country could still have kept those good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. 😢

[@tigerarmyrule]

It is like a different world. One thing I notice is the naturalness and ease with which all three men use the language of the Bible...Satan rebuking sin and Cain's sin and heresy etc etc. Educated Englishmen - and all three were educated - were conversant with the basic outline of the Christian faith. Another thing is the courtesy with which they address each other..........as i say a totally different world. Enoch Powell, acerbic, deeply intelligent, a logician and a thinker would be unelectable and unwelcome now.

[@zeddeka]

Roy Jenkins was Welsh - he wasn't English

[@adamtal7569]

the only book i have by enoch powell is the one where he controvershally argures that Mathew was the primary gospel (contrary to more obvious Mark) Of course they could have been relatively concurrent & intermingled or Q? He wasnt really suited to politics,or perhaps voters prefer dishonest fakes & liars-USA is a step ahead in that i think... Alec Dougles Hume mentioned,shortly b4 losing election that TV would encourage best actors rather than politians-he looked terrible on Tv-like a skull.Radio audience thought nixon beat kennedy in debate -TV audiences opposite -Nixon too macho to wear make up.Nixon knew election fixed by Kennedys dad ,but for sake of his future relection or sake of country keep quite.i think there was a quote by Joe Kennedy saying that the amount he paid he was expecting a landslide!

[@eyesofthetiger3568]

I'm naturalized to a British citizen and I'm proud of it. I adore mr. Enoch Powell's.ideas

[@lawrence142002]

He would've had you sent back to wherever it was you came from, bud.

[@eyesofthetiger3568]

@@lawrence142002 That's fine mate..I'm from Europe and I didn't arrive to England by a dinghy! Thanks anyway 🇬🇧

[@tneita3166]

​@@eyesofthetiger3568 Dinghy, umm, how is the peninsula, just asking,,,.

[@eyesofthetiger3568]

@T Neita Ask that question to British Consulate mate who gave me the visa! Besides today, I was in central London. I bet you did not watch and celebrate King Charles.s Cornation!

[@EgoShredder]

@@lawrence142002 Only non-White Europeans would have been refused to stay, which is fine if the ethnic culture, tradition and genetics of the nation come first and they should.

[@rolytnz]

I feel smarter having watched this. Watching two people who are true subject matter experts articulating the issues and where the problems are, and even where a path to resolution lies. Where they differ in opinion is debated and respected. Look at the Clown Circus that is politics today. So many politicians worldwide could learn so much from the way these chaps conduct themselves. The presenter is about asking relevant questions that are not loaded trying to push some preset ideology, and he does not interrupt either. Nor does he need to, Mr Powell and Mr Jenkins keep their answers on topic, succinct, and concise. Superb watching.

[@MrDavey2010]

Truly professional men debating in a civilised way. So different from nowadays where all this has been lost.

[@adamtal7569]

Possibly when indented truthful unbiased journalists ,were sacrificed for not having political bias....And Amanda Holden gets more headlines for what clothes she has worn in the last week,than any possible debate about e.g any just possibility of Erection Freudian Slip ..i doubt i can say anymore (eg 95% plus media donated to 1 us political party-& cover up laptop news) without being banned

[@adamtal7569]

16% of Biden voters said if they knew, would not have voted for him/Harris

[@PatrickBateman191]

Listen to this reminds us very painfully that we have declined enormously.

Looking back from 2020 it seems like Enoch Powell was a prophet.

[@teresaharrison5773]

Roy Jenkins "He hasn't opened his mouth about this" Enoch Powell "I haven't been invited". I miss good manners as well as reasoned logical debate such as this.

[@ajay999999]

2 pork chops and a tin of salmon. How we used to live.

[@lorrainegalletley9711]

Beans on toast

[@tneita3166]

​@@jamessales9047 bubble &, squeak, or dripping & whatever,,,.

[@douglasb5046]

@@lorrainegalletley9711still enjoy them!

[@lewiskx20]

Nice to see two different views debated respectfully without bias and drama hype by the media. 'He hasn't opened his mouth on this yet' 'I haven't been invited too' Pure British class, so far from today's era

[@emmettkellysearth5972]

That old man wearing the cap commenting starting at 0:54 is the hero of the 1970s.

[@humanforfreedom9583]

“It’s gone up 6 pence!” Lol imagine if he saw today!!!!!!

[@DJ_K666]

@@humanforfreedom9583 Heh I wonder what you could have got for 6 pence in 1970. It was still old money back then, just about to change. 6 pence in 1970 is about £1 today

[@LaggardlySort]

Roight ol Naaarfolk boy he is

[@RPaton]

Almost looked like Ronald Fraser

[@markbateman9222]

two intelligent, articulate politicians having a serious debate about serious issues. both made party political points but both men were clearly concerned about the problem under consideration. you have to respect their intellect even if you disagree strongly with them about causes and possible remedies. Hats off to the presenter for being willing to take a back seat and let them speak; how different to the ego driven presenters of today! But Robert Kee was always confident in his intellect and didn't feel the need to try and demonstrate it every two minutes!

[@jamesguy1030]

Enoch Powell was a very intelligent man and would have been A Great prime minister for Great Britain . We certainly would not be in this mess if we had listened to the Wise words of Enoch Powell. We would not have the Never ended Race battles we se constantly on our televisions

[@jamesguy1030]

Ishaan Rahman ~ Yeah, You make some very interesting points. if you haven’t already seen it before, Please check out the amazing documentary series called = “Europa The Last Battle” Part 5 is fascinating and Part 8 is mind blowing ! i hope that this explains what i meant by Racial conflict / Replacement

[@_MrAvocado_]

@@ishaanrahman9880 Why is Stomzy currently helping fellow blacks into Cambridge....doesn't he realise that all the people at Cambridge share the same "British values" as him. (a white person behaving in this way would, of course, be deemed a racist) Why can't he "move beyond race"? he can't for the same reason you care more about your family than mine even though we might have the same "values" this is because humans are tribal animals (Whites are actually the least tribal) it's why political parties field "diverse" candidates in "diverse" areas.

[@southlondon86]

I couldn’t agree more! If Powell had been PM this beautiful island would still be in the good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. But no! Look what the foreign filth has done! 😢

[@adamtal7569]

@@southlondon86 How many would you cover up for ,on a cost -benefit analysis?

[@9londoncalling]

So good to hear two politicians who can construct a sentence using the English language correctly during a sensible discussion. Unfortunately today’s politicians can just about string two words together when trying to cover up a complete lie.

[@johnfitzjohn4300]

POWELL is the only member of parliament that told the truth (and he got sacked for telling the truth)

[@thoskel1]

How good it is to see two very astute polticians in debate without interupting each other.

They could form complete sentences way back when!

[@ian_b]

Powell, as a classical liberal, understands that the increase in the money supply causes inflation. If he'd become PM we would live in a very different country- our economic recovery would have started years before Thatcher and we'd never have been dragged into the EU.

[@fuckfannyfiddlefart]

Classical liberal means state capitalist elitist. Screw powel and Thatcher, all they did was increase unemployment, destroy British industry, sell of the assets, and see the share of profit go entirely to the rich and retried.

[@ian_b]

​@@fuckfannyfiddlefart No it doesn't. And when Thatcher came into office, the post-war consensus economy was already a dead horse, which we had to stop flogging. And perhaps you should look at the effects of flooding the lower end of the employment market with cheap migrant labour which the Left love to do.

[@lupinthethird5784]

Powell was a classical conservative

[@adamtal7569]

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart& blair copied her polices! PPE to the max ,sold off NHS & rented back at ludicrous costs that future govt.s has to still pay(dont mention the war)

[@jamsheadaziz3999]

Two words you used Thatcher and economic recovery. Try telling that to the millions of workers whose jobs disappeared eg steel workers, car industry, ship yards, mining. Vast majority of workers were from northern England and Scotland, who were unemployed. 3 million unemployed. Riots breaking out all over England in '81. Dark times for thousands of families.

[@Sionnach1601]

This is like a stimulating exercise for the brain, watching these three characters speaking. I also immensely enjoyed seeing two politicians agreeing on points because they respected Truth, but also out of a sense of sporting fairness between two combatants. This whole aspect of English life and culture seems to be completely gone, and they are now replaced by actors, actors with vastly inferior intellects and diction. Though I'm an Irishman, and detested the barbarity of British rule over my forebears, (I am sorry, it had to be said), but I can easily admire this aspect of English people and culture; and so I take my hat off to these intellectual heavyweights, and the civilised, seemingly high morality and character they espoused. Though they may have been rogues, as is all too often the case with the politician, I don't know; but they struck me as very fine men of very fine character, and I truly wish that English culture and character had not changed so much, so VASTLY. Even their diction, which was so complex, allowing such beautiful precision; their metre, so nicely measured, and to include their intellect which, I believe, was as fine as could be found anywhere in the World, at any time. Their loss, this culture, is a sore loss to the World as a whole, to be replaced with multicultural, "diversity", and considerable mediocrity. I weep inside for this loss. It is as if Giants have left the World.

[@jean6872]

I confess they left me behind. They appeared to know what they were talking about.

[@Volgan16666]

@@jean6872 as it does every worthless behind that sits in Westminster today and for at least the last thirty years.

[@noneedtoknow6098]

Enoch Rocks ! It would be good if he were still around to hold these British politician traitors to account R.I.P Enoch The Great.

[@chrisevans5259]

All Mr Powell ever set out to do was to protect and maintain all our proper British values and heritage ,...and not lose our identity and British nationals

[@hudldevice1092]

This is a fascinating discussion.

[@markwithers7730]

2 very articulate men who know their stuff, please don’t bring an audience back to question time!

[@dean1100110]

I wish I could go back and tell them to explain to them the horrors of London today

[@dean1100110]

@@ishaanrahman9880 We have more murders than New York and have you seen the gun laws in the US

[@charleshavilland7106]

Fascinating how well they respect each other and have an intelligible conversation, and everything said so relevant even today. Inflation wipes out the middle classes. The richest become richer, and the poor become poorer. Back then 6% was 'serious' today (2023) it is over 10%! Governments must be restricted from printing money at will - it is a stealth tax that has delayed effect once it is balanced by the savings of the poor.

[@EgoShredder]

The banks own and fund the governments though, infact they pretty much through their family dynasty bloodlines own everything in the entire world. To deal with the problem of usury, you need to remove those that want it there.

[@buddha1736]

That labour fella was sharp, both men were fantastic at debating, fantastic watch. 🇬🇧😍👍🏻

[@davidhawk9678]

A different class of debate from the muppets in todays parliament

[@tarakb7606]

What a difference between the likes of Powell and Jenkins and the nonentities who are currently in charge.

[@alanwareham7391]

How many political parties that slagged Enoch off, and threw as much mud as possible ,even though the people weren't even born at the time ,wish that he was their leader now . When you listen to his last statement, it makes a great deal of sense in that " you control your money".Enoch wasn't perfect and I think that he would never have said he was, and of course there are always two ways of looking at any topic ,but the more that you listen to him ,like him or not you must agree that he believed in his country and the people in it.

[@iangraham9050]

These were the halcyon days when the media, and opposition MPs, gave each other the respect and the time to get their point across.

[@DBIVUK]

From about 15 minutes in, you can clearly hear Enoch Powell closing in on a policy of monetarism - still a fairly obscure economic doctrine. Here he defends the Heath government, but when Heath did a u-turn it became the centre of his criticism.

[@myroseaccount]

Powell was a member of the Mont Pellerin society. Google it and you'll understand why he had this view and where it came from.

[@DJ_K666]

Also back then people were paid cash weekly via their pay packet (which was an actual packet i.e. an envelope handed to them every Friday) rather than directly to their bank account monthly.

[@adamtal7569]

not obscure at all (kind of wrongly redefined into political term slur of torys) Marx & Mao were monetarists-In very simple terms just means if eg have gold based currency & lots of gold discovered prices go up-same with fiat currency

[@DBIVUK]

@@adamtal7569 Monetarism isn't anything like obscure now, but it was in 1970.

[@michaelbyrne-e4j]

It's crazy that this price hike was going on before I was born,but talk about history repeating itself.The price hike has hit Ireland pretty hard,between 2023/2024,whatever about cigaretts and alcohol,but the important stuff like regular shopping milk/bread/shampoo and so on is redicilous

[@waynepower766]

Wow what a difference to the fools we have

[@maxryan5738]

They way they listen to each other is really something to watch

[@davidroberts1187]

Even if you disagree with these men, they are grown ups when it comes to debate as is the interviewer, today's mp should take note.

[@trtr9626]

Not one of our current MP’s have half the intelligence of these 2

[@MrDanielfff777]

JRM

[@simongaines7347]

I doubt the current parliament in it's entirety could match either of them for intellect or articulacy.

[@trtr9626]

@@simongaines7347 agreeed

[@GirGir183]

Every time I watch and listen to Enoch Powell videos, I seem to agree with everything I hear and everything I see.

[@zeddeka]

You poor soul. Fancy being transfixed by an eccentric from an increasingly distant past. Perhaps you'd be better spending your time in the modern world

[@adamtal7569]

@@zeddeka do u think his ,at the time his outragious estimats of immigration were an ovrstimate or underestimate (sadly some racists can abuse facts)

[@shanemckenna9416]

Jenkins sounds more like a Tory accent-wise. You’d never guess he was a miner’s son from South Wales. It’s what going to Oxford does to you.

[@onetwo6064]

Amanda Hughes very well said

[@tomthetinker1024]

Someone once remarked to Nye Bevan, born the next town over, that Roy Jenkins did not seem ambitious enough. Bevan replied that, "anyone who came from South Wales and taught themselves to speak like that is clearly very ambitious."

[@HostileButHonourable]

Three mighty intellects at that table. The good 'ol days of discourse.

[@G0ogs]

Two highly intelligent men have a serious conversation in a very articulate way, unlike what you would get today, I have nothing but respect for Mr Powell.

[@LaggardlySort]

Would you believe that those interviews were on the streets of London? What a place it was once.

[@Sionnach1601]

After this life is through for me, I would dearly love to sit with Leviathans like Powell and a small gathering of his peers, watching our abysmal attempts at political discussion shows and interviews, to hear these Giants' opinions on today's lot.

[@williammichaelcowling5248]

Enoch Was A True Politician, a Real Gem that had the Peoples Best Interests at Heart....

[@TheMiseryIndex]

Imagine Diane Abbott trying to hold her own against such sharp minds and experts in articulation- she wouldn't last 2 minutes.

[@mkkravist11]

…..they’d be white, privileged and racist within 10 seconds.

[@paulinekeppey6105]

30 seconds

[@karenfaulkner5922]

2 seconds🙃

[@MarkRyanSchulz]

She'd just call them racists and then pretend that all their statements are stupid and beneath her.. and her constituents would think she showed them and continue to vote for her. It's not the quality of the politicians that has declined; it is merely symptomatic of the decline of the average British voter - just as Powell predicted.

[@jean6872]

Racism and misogyny is no argument.

[@kevinpenneykevinpenney846]

E Powell the best Prime Minster our Country never had.

[@richardsharpe2966]

How true

[@dny9394]

Dear old 'Woy' Jenkins, patrician political failure bigtime but right at home in the EU with a massive expenses account, 4 hour lunches of lobster, truffle and the finest of cheeses washed gently down with, as he put it, "a fine Claret". Right at home. Sold his country for a bottle of wine. An English Politician. Enoch? One of the greatest. A giant versus a pigmy.

[@englishweather9763]

We loved Enoch

[@myzenlifeinnature]

My earliest memories of news programmes in New Zealand had broadcasters speaking with the same accent, diction. They were politically neutral, respectful, civil, as were their interview subjects (political leaders). Intellectual discussion. We truly have long passed the pinnacle of civilisation where one respected the rule of law and its institutions. I feel we are witnessing the extinction of British culture and values (my ancestry). This is now a minority. It is time to bring it back, or are we all going to let it die? What hope for civilisation then?

[@czeslawrossinski2465]

We can easily judge whether Jenkins or Powell policies were successful from todays perspective :-) Enoch you were a prophet...

[@kirtishah1374]

This is brilliant. Clear, intelligent thinking.

[@stuzo666]

Really !

[@SteveJohnson-fp4dk]

When ITV used to produce serious programmes instead off wall to wall soaps and reality shows with celebrities at it does now.

[@chriswicker6672]

The accents are amazing.

[@gemini802]

Old school

[@Noodlehorn]

It' a brilliant discussion. Brian Walden also just died.....R.I.P

[@richardsharpe2966]

Two great politicians interviewed by a great broadcaster

[@gorgeousgeorge3947]

Can you imagine a UK Labour politician today speaking up for ordinary people and repudiating inflation as Jenkins does in this video? Or a Tory pointing out the folly of his own government's inflationary policies? There's no politician of the calibre of a Jenkins or a Powell in Britain today.

[@evilcraftknife5705]

They didn't live in a world of mass media and soundbites. They could afford to be honest.

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

The scriptwriters of “Yes Minister” didn’t have far to look for their inspiration. One of the best shows ever produced for tv. Never surpassed.

[@duncanbick6732]

Both Jenkins and Powell are two of the great nearly men of British politics. Both could have been Prime Minister had they played their hand differently but perhaps it makes them more interesting that they didn’t quite make it. Amazing to think at this point in time Jenkins, an ultra liberal intellectual type with elitist tastes and an unwavering commitment to European integration was one of the most popular politicians in Britain. Hard to see someone like that having such support in the UK in 2022.

[@Alfredromeothatsme]

I only recently found out that Jenkins served as a code breaker during the war. I wonder if he worked with Turing?

[@jacklind1894]

There is an opportunity to hear Enoch Powell discuss prices and incomes policy and the relationship between inflation and unemployment, on which he was cut short in this programme, in Firing Line with William F Buckley from February 1974

[@MB-wv6sg]

Intelligent politicians..........aah yes, I remember them.

[@Fidelisjoff]

Our decline is obvious and in great part due to immigration and the termination of meritocracy for positions based on race.

[@patcoghlan3852]

Enoch Powell was an OG Monetarist I know Thatcher and Nigel Lawson later on were more important in actually adjusting Britain to a low inflation economy permanently from a monetary standpoint. But those ideas wouldn't have been possible without Powell and Keith Joseph talking about it first in the 60s and 70s

[@adamtal7569]

Technically ,speaking purely as an economist ,so were Marx & even the Leninist Mao. ~(Dont know what OG means) but basically lso economically Monetarists.........Also please check out Mark Blyth (a lefty) political economist whom i admire

[@peterstaples1]

Politicians with principles. I'm old enough to remember this

[@richardlaversuch9460]

Not just a winter of discontent but an autumn, spring and summer as well.

[@Richie90090]

Could you imagine politicians in debates today being that respectful of each other today?

[@TMarshConnors]

"Government is the servants of the people NOT the masters of the people in society" Former President of the European Commission

[@craiglocker386]

Those who the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. And we must be. EP has and will always be pondered and studied, it falls to those who know he was correct to act now.

[@michaelashby1067]

I moved to Australia because of issues like these.....am still living here......Enoch was a colossus. Brexit was always coming as Britain lost her own voice and became an EEC province, not a sovereign nation in charge if its own destiny........

[@tennis5011]

@@ishaanrahman9880 Firstly Ishaan, i don't hate the country that i live in. I merely hate the people that run it. To leave would make them the "winner". Something, old boy, i am not prepared to do. Secondly, i was referencing your comment about if Britain's dislike newcomers into our country, then us Brits should leave others. Erm, no Ishaan, it does not work like that. You see Ishaan, my point was that us "Brits" would have worked damn hard to gain entry into Australia, Canada, New Zealand et al. Whilst "foreigners", of any kind, are let into our society "gung ho" by all too willing politicians, eager to gain cheap labour for their business associates. A completely different scenario entirely...thank you very much!! So, my first comment stands!

[@tennis5011]

@@ishaanrahman9880 Why are you now talking about the "British Empire"? The British Empire ceased to exist 60 or 70 years ago!!! Australia, Canada and NZ have been independent for donkey's years! Plus, don't do us any "favours" when it comes to immigration. Besides, there was no mention of the "British Empire" in your original question! We are talking about the here and now! Look, your first theory is deeply flawed. Because not all of us are on a "level playing field". THAT IS WHY! Firstly, to gain access into Australia, Canada and NZ it is almost impossible unless you have the skill sets or are prepared to do the cheap labour that is required. So, let's say, a Filipino has a greater chance of entry to those countries than a UK national ever would (in the here and now)! Not only because they are generally higher educated than us Brits (because they have to get ahead in life), but are also prepared to be paid peanuts for their troubles (because they come from a poor country). Now let's take the UK...the UK, especially under Blair, let every TOM, DICK and HARRY into our country. Even those who couldn't speak our language. Do you know that 20% of Oldham doesn't even speak a word of English?? That can't be right!! All to replace the working class man, in this country, so as to make his business "buddies" even richer and to rub the noses of "diversity" into Social Conservatives wounds. Your argument is horrendously flawed, because what you are trying to say is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. However, the gander (the native Aussie, Canadian or New Zealander), is much , much, more protected in their native country than the goose is (the native Brit), ever would be in his country. So, it is NOT an equal argument! Oh and of course immigration partly causes wage suppression. Any dummy can see that. Less jobs. Increased competition for jobs. Less (or the tightening) of welfare payouts. All adds up to less wages. Jesus, you sound like a right winger if ever i heard one!!

[@tennis5011]

@@ishaanrahman9880 Absolute poppycock! At no point at the start of our conversation were you ever talking about imperial Britain. The conversation was very much about the "here and now" and not something that happened 100 years ago! You are just shifting the goalposts to suit your own agenda. However, if you want to play it that way, then it is fine. So, why should people born in our former colonies, let's say, over the last 60 years, have to be repriated because we won't take modern foreigners in? Every country has its own specific needs at a certain time in history, as I am sure that you will agree. So, why dump people that were actually born there(second and third generation) of immigrants, just because we can't fit anymore immigrants in our country now? Why should they suffer? It is the most absurd solution i have ever heard! What is it you don't understand exactly ? We are full to the brim. A country that is (roughly) a third of the size of France with a population that is roughly about the same. Where is your common sense? It just sounds like a very "fishy" case of some sort of blackmail to me. As for wage compression? Again, it does happen. Now, I am fully aware that immigrants also pay well into the system. So, it balances things out somewhat. But wage compression DOES still happen. But interestingly to note, nobody on the Liberal left ( which is the Conservative right in reality), never talks about morality. They never talk about what is right and what is wrong. And believe me, importing half the world to replace the indigenous people of this country is wrong...very wrong, at whatever the cost to whom!!

[@tennis5011]

@@ishaanrahman9880 Look Ishaan, nice try...but one question? How on earth can Imperial settlers leave those countries when these countries have been independent for donkey's years?? Those "Imperial settlers", as i am sure you would agree, would be long, long dead by now. What do you propose to do, dig them up and carry them out in their coffins?!! I am sure that you would also agree that anybody who was born in those countries, after independence, would not be an "Imperial settler", but a subject of that country and its laws. These people would be second or third generation immigrants, who were born and belong in that country, anyway! The comment, in your message, that i responded to clearly states "newcomers" into our country. So how can it be that you propose that those countries get rid of "imperial settlers", which of course they can't do because they are already dead, if we get rid of newcomers??!! To me, it just doesn't make sense!! As for hypocrisy? Naturally we can't undo what has happened a 100 years before. However, let me tell you, the world now isn't the same as it was before. In fact, people now (in some quarters), would definitely say that the black man has the "whip hand" over the white man. Oh, and please don't use the "karma" angle. I am sick to death of morons using karma as a justification to what is happening now. 100 years ago when we were colonising the shit out of countries, the rich got richer and the poor saw nothing. Fast forward to today with mass immigration...and again the rich still get richer and the poor still see nothing. So even the "karma" angle is flawed. I believe that, Ishaan, that is the angle that you are really taking us down here. It doesn't work, honey...because either way, whether it be 100 years ago or now, the outcomes are still the exact same! The rich get richer the poor get poorer. So there is NO karma!

[@tennis5011]

@@ishaanrahman9880 Look Ishaan...the political establishment is left wing. Whether it be Labour, Liberal or the Conservative parties, All of them are left wing!! Anybody with opposing views are scowled and scorned at. If you are a single mother of four children, who loves abortion, has been divorced 5 times, comes out as lesbian and all believes we should "hug a hoodie", you will be fawned all over. If you are a white, Christian Conservative, you will be sneered at and deemed ready for the "funny farm". It all starts at school (liking the cool music teacher) and being called a "bible basher" if you don't. And is written all over our press. I mean, god...how left wing is the BBC??!! I couldn't even dream of saying things to you (i wouldn't anyway), that i could say 20 or 30 years ago. Plus, if you go into any job these days, we are trained to give that job to any one eyed, three armed, Black lesbian from Rotherham that goes for it. Anything that is a minority these days has the "whip hand". Anything otherwise is surplus to requirements. You only have to look at the Muslim grooming scandal and the time it took the police to do anything about it to see this. In my opinion NOBODY should have the whip hand over anybody.