Enoch Powell on Population Growth, Cultural Shifts, and Societal Impact | The Dick Cavett Show

[@d.marques4700]

Enoch Powell is a Hero to an increasing number of British Patriots! He had the courage to say what had to be said!... This man deserves our full RESPECT!

[@toastedterps]

Amen.

[@SagaciousFrank]

He also spearheaded the closure of mental health wards which are now sorely needed.

[@ryanmyles5555]

I'm 24 and live in Leicester, a lot of what Enoch Powell says is true or has come true, the man spoke not just his own mind on anti immigration but also the publics and they're daily struggles living in a multicultural England.

[@gimmethepinkelephant3685]

​​@@SagaciousFrank ... Even the best of us make mistakes...lol!

[@SagaciousFrank]

@@gimmethepinkelephant3685 , absolutely, but that was a big one.

[@ChubbyChecker182]

Dick Cavett had some amazing shows. Brilliant talk show host.

[@cuttysark57]

Dick Cavett was/is a brilliant interviewer. He's genuinely interested in people. After providing the most economical stimulus, he then just fades into the background to let them speak. So few who reach the top of his profession can do this: it's all about them. This particular interview is one of the most serious and penetrating with Powell I have seen. He was a deep thinker with prodigious grasp of his subject and knowledge of the wider world and its history, and an impressive and accomplished man. Yet most interviewers spend half an hour trying to get Powell to admit he was a "white supremacist". This interview is a rare exception.

[@SagaciousFrank]

Yeah I like his calm interviewing style.

[@shunkadee1299]

Whatever side of this argument you come down on, this puts into stark contrast just how much both television and society has dumbed down over the years. 🤷‍♂️

[@doctorsocrates4413]

"by the turn of the century"..by god he nailed it there and this was 1972.....Best PM we never had by far...rest well enoch.

[@gimmethepinkelephant3685]

If he can see anything that's happening now, and not only in Britain but within Europe and within western society as a whole then I doubt he's resting all that well, sadly... We could use more men like him these days. Too little and too far between. And I don't see this problem ending any time soon because I don't think the majority out there truly knows who the enemy is.

[@johnmorgan8868]

He was bang on

[@TheRussRave]

Enoch Powell deserves a posthumous knighthood!

[@toastedterps]

It will be done.

[@SagaciousFrank]

An intelligent man and I broadly liked what he had to say, but he made some grave errors on domestic policy, as he advocated for the abolition of mental health wards.

[@stevengibbons8638]

The best❤

[@peteratkinson922]

So true. Its the numbers. His prediction has come to fruition.

[@Ryan-on5on]

Regardless of one's position on the issue at hand, it must be admitted that this level of intellectual debate is seldom seen in public forums - political or otherwise - these days. Dr. Miller and Enoch Powell were both well-skilled in the form of verbal exchange that allowed ideas to be constructed and conveyed in a respectful, collegiate manner devoid of ad hominem, straw dog tactics, non-sequiturs, and other fallacious reasoning. How I wish we could return to this more civilized time!

[@johnpugh3348]

Every day someone says to me "ENOCH WAS RIGHT"

[@madeleinebell559]

Really, every day? I'm 61 years old and no one has ever said that to me, not once in 61 years.

[@johnpugh3348]

@@madeleinebell559 You are mixing with different people to me, so we are both correct.

[@Powerhaus88]

@@madeleinebell559 Don't hang out with self-hating liberals then.

[@madeleinebell559]

@@Powerhaus88 Don't be silly, do you really think in 61 years I have only met, worked with or talked to one group or type of people? Now you are making yourself look dumb.

[@shunkadee1299]

Are these people who say this to you in the room with us now?

[@jackto7669]

Bill Maher wishes he had this kind of candor on his program.

[@chaipup7045]

well, he doesn't have the intellect.

[@daniele.tbarrett1630]

In the end, powell was right

[@invictus_They-Them_Nazi_Hunter]

Far right. Very wrong.

[@karllux-d6g]

and IS still right.

[@kanelowrey5172]

Enoch Powell is laughing beyond the grave, “I was right!”

[@stud105]

He loved his country too much to be "laughing". Britain will be a Degenerate cesspit by 2040

[@clonliffepanther]

Crying I suspect

[@FlaviusConstantinus306]

I doubt he’d be laughing about this.

[@gimmethepinkelephant3685]

I doubt he's laughing. His home is being destroyed along with the rest of western civilization.

[@backcountrymon]

Only now yam listening......he was right

[@thirstypilgrim97]

Sorry Mr. MIller, but a british Nana never blew up a concert full of teenage British girls.

[@bradleymilton9372]

Enoch was right look at uk now

[@pileshmuzma9406]

When Enoch realized he was sitting next to a fool he did not get angry; he doesn't feel indignation (or at least doesn't show it). He simply framed the rambling retrospectively with one word "splendid." And the audience instantly realized what they just heard was entirely vacuous, and the man sitting before them isn't a man at all, but rather a collection of antirational superstition.

[@MapleSyrupPoet]

Truth/honest rhetoric, improves health of nation

[@craigsimons817]

Can he be given a Knighthood posthumously!

[@Wicked6975]

Brilliant debate. So has England faired better or worse, and has the culture stayed intact since this Cavett episode originally aired?

[@PrimeGroup-m3q]

He predicted the future and as he stated here he underestimated the problem

[@JohnSmith-it6hj]

better for some worse for most.

[@chaipup7045]

considering his political party has been in power for most of these years, worse.

[@chaipup7045]

@@PrimeGroup-m3q chortle

[@JohnSmith-it6hj]

Blair is the architect of the current state of Britain.@@chaipup7045

[@NikCherk]

Early life Miller grew up in St John's Wood, London, in a well-connected Jewish family. His father Emanuel (1892-1970), who was of Lithuanian descent and suffered from severe rheumatoid arthritis, was a military psychiatrist and subsequently a paediatric psychiatrist at Harley House.

[@getlost3346]

And today, the highest anxiety are faced by Jewish Brits due to the Arab Palestinian violence and a week British government.

[@horroroffab]

The kind of thought provoking discussion that would be classed as offensive and for which both sides would be cancelled for participating.

[@mikehiggins946]

I never realized there were so many do gooders around back then. I thought virtue signaling as a policy choice was a new phenomenon. I guess it's always been easy to act like you deeply care about something when it doesn't cost you anything to say so. This kind of pretending has cost the west dearly and it's still going strong today. Those in charge of making immigration policies are never affected by the consequences of their own ideology. It's easy to say "let everyone in" when you live in a gated community with private security.

[@MapleSyrupPoet]

"Not live in a fools paradise" - Enoch 😅

[@jane2539]

Jonathan Miller was so supercilious and patronising, trying to blind with his vocabulary but it didn't work!

[@schmuck3787]

he honestly compared unlimited immigration from foreign countries to letting our senior citizens live a bit longer in grace and comfort?1

[@bobtaylor170]

My Lord, Miller is the epitome of the cosseted elitist, completely unsympathetic to the way those who aren't upper clahhhsss have to live.

[@jdawe390]

Do you mean Powell? Miller here was defending the immigration of foreign workers

[@bobtaylor170]

@@jdawe390 yes, whom he could insulate himself against the culture and lifestyles of. Powell was advocating on behalf of the ordinary people of Britain. They could not afford to do so. Without exception, people like you have never had Third World cultures forced upon them. You have the money to buy yourself distance from them while you inveigh against the supposed racism of those who do not.

[@mr.mayhem7402]

​@jdawe390 No. Powell was not upper class. His dad was headmaster of a primary school, but he was self-made. Passes his 11+; went to gammar school; scholarship to Cambridge; spoke several languages; Professor at the age of 25; joined the army as a private and rose through the ranks to become brigadier; etc; etc. This information is publicly available. In fairness, Miller wasn't Upper class either. They both came from a middle-class background.

[@ninjaskeleton6140]

Enoch Powell was right about everything except the extent of the problems. It’s worse than he thought it would be.

[@WahrheitMachtFrei.]

Enoch Powell: the greatest Prime Minister Britain never had.

[@TheDanEdwards]

Only for the bigots.

[@FatMarlonBrando]

Like all the aristocracy, Powell spoke well and sounded clever, but is a disingenuous f**kwit. He seems to forget that he encouraged and enabled mass immigration from the Caribbean and South Asia in the early-60s in his time as health minister, and that these immigrants helped save our health service and our nation - typical of the ruling classes to be pro-immigration when it serves them economically, and anti-immigration when it serves them electorally. They are completely cynical and spineless in their ‘beliefs’, and entirely self-serving. Later on, in 1968 shortly before “Rivers of Blood…”, Powell trundled out some spurious nonsense about a constituent of his in Wolverhampton who’s daughter was being bullied as the only white person in her class. Journalists could not find the child or the class, and had actually received similar claims themselves that they had traced back to the National Front (crucially, with evidence). When confronted about this, Powell would not accept it, sticking to his dogmatic nationalist bulls**t despite evidence staring him in the face. Some intelligence. I’m glad this c**t died the year I was born, good riddance - hopefully the stain he’s left on this country will die off in my lifetime too.

[@PhilAlumb]

​@@TheDanEdwards....No----Only for the Honest and Courageous.💯😃

[@Henderburn2]

He was a racist and everything he says here has been conclusively and obviously proven wrong. So yeah, the kind of person who’s been running Britain for a while now.

[@fnee9938]

He shouldn't have been a prime minister because he had to be a monarch.

[@robleeuknhl3345]

He really didn't think the old person argument through....it was so ridiculous

[@josephineajayi1403]

the battle of who can use the most and best vocabulary, cavett looked confused about what they are talking about🤣🤣

[@horroroffab]

If the situation was reversed and 100s of thousands of people from Britain were emigrating / seeking asylum to these countries what would the reaction be?

[@chrisekstrom4614]

God Bless Enoch! R.I.P. 🇺🇸✝️🇬🇧

[@FatMarlonBrando]

Like all the aristocracy, Powell spoke well and sounded clever, but is a disingenuous f**kwit. He seems to forget that he encouraged and enabled mass immigration from the Caribbean and South Asia in the early-60s in his time as health minister, and that these immigrants helped save our health service and our nation - typical of the ruling classes to be pro-immigration when it serves them economically, and anti-immigration when it serves them electorally. They are completely cynical and spineless in their ‘beliefs’, and entirely self-serving. Later on, in 1968 shortly before “Rivers of Blood…”, Powell trundled out some spurious nonsense about a constituent of his in Wolverhampton who’s daughter was being bullied as the only white person in her class. Journalists could not find the child or the class, and had actually received similar claims themselves that they had traced back to the National Front (crucially, with evidence). When confronted about this, Powell would not accept it, sticking to his dogmatic nationalist bulls**t despite evidence staring him in the face. Some intelligence. I’m glad this c**t died the year I was born, good riddance - hopefully the stain he’s left on this country will die off in my lifetime too.

[@Apathynosebleed]

Fairly bonkers!

[@PhilAlumb]

He was a Daring, Truth Teller.💯

[@wraithby]

Yes, Miller isn't all there...

[@VioletBagpipeSack-xf3ke]

@@wraithby that nonsensical ageist argument, he got his dues at the end.

[@thirstypilgrim97]

The intellectual vs the Theater kid. What was Miller even on about concerning old people? Does he not know that an affinity for your own family far surpasses any generational differences?

[@glennfriedman9507]

Where can I find the whole thing?

[@PhilAlumb]

Powell....is Brilliant and What he's said has come true. That's Why he's Attacked and Labelled. He's UNMASKED what's happening Then..and Now.

[@jgmediting7770]

Powell’s motivation was neoliberalism. This stuff was his mask.

[@FatMarlonBrando]

Like all the aristocracy, Powell spoke well and sounded clever, but is a disingenuous f**kwit. He seems to forget that he encouraged and enabled mass immigration from the Caribbean and South Asia in the early-60s in his time as health minister, and that these immigrants helped save our health service and our nation - typical of the ruling classes to be pro-immigration when it serves them economically, and anti-immigration when it serves them electorally. They are completely cynical and spineless in their ‘beliefs’, and entirely self-serving. Later on, in 1968 shortly before “Rivers of Blood…”, Powell trundled out some spurious nonsense about a constituent of his in Wolverhampton who’s daughter was being bullied as the only white person in her class. Journalists could not find the child or the class, and had actually received similar claims themselves that they had traced back to the National Front (crucially, with evidence). When confronted about this, Powell would not accept it, sticking to his dogmatic nationalist bulls**t despite evidence staring him in the face. Some intelligence. I’m glad this c**t died the year I was born, good riddance - hopefully the stain he’s left on this country will die off in my lifetime too.

[@tilst15381]

Everything he said is here now.

[@mrwu2]

Owner of the channel got shook that powell was getting too much support haha. Orwelian guys

[@michaelpuente3352]

What a great conversation. My generation needs this type of disburse!!

[@PhilAlumb]

They're heads are too filled with Rediculous Nonsense & Propaganda. They DON'T understand Critical Thinking...but they'll Live the Outcome.

[@FatMarlonBrando]

Like all the aristocracy, Powell spoke well and sounded clever, but is a disingenuous f**kwit. He seems to forget that he encouraged and enabled mass immigration from the Caribbean and South Asia in the early-60s in his time as health minister, and that these immigrants helped save our health service and our nation - typical of the ruling classes to be pro-immigration when it serves them economically, and anti-immigration when it serves them electorally. They are completely cynical and spineless in their ‘beliefs’, and entirely self-serving. Later on, in 1968 shortly before “Rivers of Blood…”, Powell trundled out some spurious nonsense about a constituent of his in Wolverhampton who’s daughter was being bullied as the only white person in her class. Journalists could not find the child or the class, and had actually received similar claims themselves that they had traced back to the National Front (crucially, with evidence). When confronted about this, Powell would not accept it, sticking to his dogmatic nationalist bulls**t despite evidence staring him in the face. Some intelligence. I’m glad this c**t died the year I was born, good riddance - hopefully the stain he’s left on this country will die off in my lifetime too.

[@Henderburn2]

There are still racists around, even some in the Conservative Party!

[@everythingmeansnothing4019]

Enoch was on the ball !

[@bigpeeler]

Thank you. 👍

[@Mistral434]

If we had listened to such harsh truths, instead of the gentle lies of the pro-immigration stance, this country would be a vastly better place.

[@jgmediting7770]

It literally wouldn’t, given his underlying motivation was exactly what we got economically.

[@FatMarlonBrando]

Like all the aristocracy, Powell spoke well and sounded clever, but is a disingenuous f**kwit. He seems to forget that he encouraged and enabled mass immigration from the Caribbean and South Asia in the early-60s in his time as health minister, and that these immigrants helped save our health service and our nation - typical of the ruling classes to be pro-immigration when it serves them economically, and anti-immigration when it serves them electorally. They are completely cynical and spineless in their ‘beliefs’, and entirely self-serving. Later on, in 1968 shortly before “Rivers of Blood…”, Powell trundled out some spurious nonsense about a constituent of his in Wolverhampton who’s daughter was being bullied as the only white person in her class. Journalists could not find the child or the class, and had actually received similar claims themselves that they had traced back to the National Front (crucially, with evidence). When confronted about this, Powell would not accept it, sticking to his dogmatic nationalist bulls**t despite evidence staring him in the face. Some intelligence. I’m glad this c**t died the year I was born, good riddance - hopefully the stain he’s left on this country will die off in my lifetime too.

[@PhilAlumb]

Yes. We should have listened to Enoch. 💯

[@sophitsa79]

I really think you need to be much more concerned about the white politicians who have been running the country. They are horribly, dirty liars and ruining the country. Some low class family in Birmingham is not what is dragging down the economic system, the education system, the health system of the country

[@johnpugh3348]

Well said,

[@nbarrett100]

Lots of people in the comments will say Powell was right. Between 1995 and 2019 immigration to the UK went up by 166%. In the same years, crime fell by 40%. The city with the most immigration (London) is also the city with the strongest economy. The rivers here are not red with blood, they are brown with sewage

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

I'm guessing they weren't moslems.

[@TheDanEdwards]

@@dreadfulspiller8766 Maybe you're just a bigot.

[@FatMarlonBrando]

Like all the aristocracy, Powell spoke well and sounded clever, but is a disingenuous f**kwit. He seems to forget that he encouraged and enabled mass immigration from the Caribbean and South Asia in the early-60s in his time as health minister, and that these immigrants helped save our health service and our nation - typical of the ruling classes to be pro-immigration when it serves them economically, and anti-immigration when it serves them electorally. They are completely cynical and spineless in their ‘beliefs’, and entirely self-serving. Later on, in 1968 shortly before “Rivers of Blood…”, Powell trundled out some spurious nonsense about a constituent of his in Wolverhampton who’s daughter was being bullied as the only white person in her class. Journalists could not find the child or the class, and had actually received similar claims themselves that they had traced back to the National Front (crucially, with evidence). When confronted about this, Powell would not accept it, sticking to his dogmatic nationalist bulls**t despite evidence staring him in the face. Some intelligence. I’m glad this c**t died the year I was born, good riddance - hopefully the stain he’s left on this country will die off in my lifetime too.

[@ls1476]

London has a strong economy because of the financial sector of The City/Canary Wharf. Crimes went down because a lot of them ceased to be recorded (like how drug possession is just ignored by police these days). Immigration under Blair, Cameron et all has been disastrous.

[@PhilAlumb]

​@@ls1476...💯Truth

[@richardwillford2418]

Today's discussion on this very topic is a carbon copy of this 53-year-old clip: Facts against feelings, purveyors of facts being accused of stirring up hatred, and a belief that closing our eyes will make problems go away. But there's also a difference. Leaders speaking out back then, were of a different intellectual calibre than now. Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson, Donald Trump... It's sad to see.

[@NANR-jn3be]

Yes and even then the quality of the culture and it's people had fallen tremendously over the 53 year period before this clip.

[@greggraime2738]

The most vindicated politician ever.

[@sacredsoma]

Jonathan Miller was such a vapid shallow performer, he did not even seem to understand the meaning of the terms he threw around. Just After Enoch Powell has finished saying the numbers (an EMPIRICAL fact) were underestimated by all including him and one has to take the challenge of the incoming numbers seriously, Miller starts an annoying lecture on how RATIONALISM can seriously undermine the EMPIRICAL validity of an argument. Without daring to even confront the EMPIRICALLY valid facts that Enoch had arrayed both in his infamous speech and in the studio. Miller then goes on to provide just the sort of pesuo-RATIONAL or RATIONALISTIC argument he accuses Powell of, by asserting that unless a folk be told by an agent in office, they will have no problem with their ethnic replacement on mass scale.

[@chaipup7045]

bless. We're still here and Enoch is still wrong.

[@alexandermelbaus2351]

​@@chaipup7045 Did we listen to the same Enoch Powell? Enoch is still wrong?

[@Heligoland360]

@@chaipup7045 Yeah he was wrong, he underestimated the numbers.

[@NANR-jn3be]

Early life check.

[@markhayward7400]

Enoch Powell was a highly intelligent and erudite man and one of the great political orators of his time in politics. He was also a racist and profoundly wrong, not just about the problems facing the UK but also the remedies needed to solve those problems.

[@NANR-jn3be]

Lol, you're about as serious a man as a Donkey Show in Tijuana.

[@toastedterps]

Dick Cavett sounds like the NeoCon William Buckley.

[@louduva9849]

Christ, Miller was so oleaginous.

[@peregrino9154]

Interesting prayer

[@louduva9849]

'the influx from the land of the dead' They weren't sending their best.

[@SagaciousFrank]

Johnathan Miller's argument is fallacious. While an ageing population brings its own very startling challenges both economic and cultural, this is in fact a reason to limit migration, and thereby not further add additional strain and stress on culture and economics. Yet bizarrely he posited this metaphor/analogy to somehow defend policies which add to burdens naturally advanced by an ageing population. Our ancestors earned the right to be here and we wouldn't be here without them. Just because on average they're living longer whether due to healthier live styles or medical science doesnt give a free pass for the entire world to come here to settle. Silly logic, and Powell adequately rebuts and compartmentalises them as mutually exclusive.

[@schlongersaurus]

I love Jonathan Miller 💞

[@septimiusseverus165]

He makes a fool of himself here.

[@gozorak]

He did indeed. Apparently Mr Miller believes that a family living in a house on fire would not know to be fearful or afraid unless and until a government official alterted them to be so. @@septimiusseverus165

[@VioletBagpipeSack-xf3ke]

I love Enoch Powell 💔

[@WrightsW5]

KZbin says 38 comments, but I only see 32.

[@duki4631]

the american audience: tell them a fairy tale and they clap

[@SirDigbyMinge-or8md]

This episode was filmed in London.

[@culturehorse]

Post Brexit and previously, Powel's case is more than adequately rested. Additionally it can be seen here who and why the present demise of UK upon whom that rests and UK's Globalist social migration catastrophe vs. 'rationalist' policies that unfortunately were superceded is responsible for (hint: it ain't Powel). Timely historical revisit. RIP UK Additionally, globalst not only marshalls argumentation in favor of effective euthenasia but outright Malthusianism of the old. A perfect reveal if there was one. Thanks for these uploads.

[@TheDanEdwards]

Keep crying.

[@jgmediting7770]

Powell’s literal motivation was neoliberalism. Or globalism as you call it.

[@FatMarlonBrando]

Like all the aristocracy, Powell spoke well and sounded clever, but is a disingenuous f**kwit. He seems to forget that he encouraged and enabled mass immigration from the Caribbean and South Asia in the early-60s in his time as health minister, and that these immigrants helped save our health service and our nation - typical of the ruling classes to be pro-immigration when it serves them economically, and anti-immigration when it serves them electorally. They are completely cynical and spineless in their ‘beliefs’, and entirely self-serving. Later on, in 1968 shortly before “Rivers of Blood…”, Powell trundled out some spurious nonsense about a constituent of his in Wolverhampton who’s daughter was being bullied as the only white person in her class. Journalists could not find the child or the class, and had actually received similar claims themselves that they had traced back to the National Front (crucially, with evidence). When confronted about this, Powell would not accept it, sticking to his dogmatic nationalist bulls**t despite evidence staring him in the face. Some intelligence. I’m glad this c**t died the year I was born, good riddance - hopefully the stain he’s left on this country will die off in my lifetime too.

[@culturehorse]

@@TheDanEdwards ..not crying. Affirming a flaw in the grand design. Fk off btw & good holidays.

[@louduva9849]

Not much of an argument.@@TheDanEdwards

[@abdullahaanawaleh]

Enoch was a fool