Enter Hell Commissioner Emma (True Form & Talent Upgrade Information) [The Battle Cats]

[@Isaac_G734]

My people, I can officially say that GLOOMY NENEKO IS A BETTER ANTI WAVE THAN THE WAVE BUSTER HERSELF. What a time to be alive

[@ilraffaelo6934]

BRUH, i have to gave that a checkout

[@mintsushi9598]

gloomy neneko sucks unless you're in sol

[@acone2017]

you couldve said that anytime because emma sucks

[@acone2017]

​@@mintsushi9598no?

[@Only4two100bucks]

@@mintsushi9598 Nah, she is a great wave blocker with her high range and cheap cost

[@superimmersivebeats8063]

We wait all this time and she doesn't get a range buff...

[@kingauther7812]

A range buff would only make her an insane wave blocker. This true form actually makes her a very unique and good generalist which I much rather prefer

[@jushenmaoMason]

@@kingauther7812bro really out here wanting the wave buster exclusive to be a better generalist than a better anti wave

[@noleafclover3681]

​@@kingauther7812but that is literally what the busters are supposed to be.....

[@iker9095]

​@@kingauther7812who would have expected *wave buster's* *exclusive uber* to be insanely good against waves? Like, that's crazy right?

[@popg21-the-epic51]

​@@kingauther7812 wanting an insane wave blocker in a anti wave set where emma is the premium unit of said set like pai-pai REI or sirius? Imagine that

[@yang_not]

truly a great tank, one that flies backwards when an enemy sneezes on her

[@kingauther7812]

108k damage is a sneeze ig

[@range685]

​@@kingauther7812 yeah, it kind of is

[@yang_not]

@@kingauther7812 i was mostly talking about the high kb count

[@ephraimium6755]

​@@yang_notHe meant the endurance. 108K DMG just to kb her definitely is nowhere near a sneeze

[@yang_not]

@@ephraimium6755doesn’t she have like 10 kbs tho?

[@DiceDsx]

I would've preferred if Ponos decreased her KBs, honestly. Her TF and Talents kinda do that, but in the most roundabout way possible. She might be a decent support now, but her banner is called Wave Busters, not Super Supporters: she's supposed to be the ultimate Wave counter, but fails at that. A sad end for a defective unit.

[@Lev0t0n]

Maybe ultra talents could fix her in the next 500 years

[@kingauther7812]

@@Lev0t0nshe’s already fixed (just not really at wave blocking

[@theflyingcat9017]

​@@Lev0t0nIt would only occupy more range and that's it, it would be improved, it would go from a “tank” to a weakener that when it suffers damage it moves away from enemies

[@asrew1337]

Jokes on you, PONOS just released 4th forms on JP. I will continue the copium train until the games dies...

[@hooraw7760]

PONOS pulls a reverse yaminora, giving up on her wave blocker job and making her a mass weakener. This TF doesn't really fix her weaknesses, but it still seems good somehow.

[@Sporketto]

yeah, we're unsure of her viability but she seems great as a support rusher to main rushers to spam weaken and let them rebound more, aka causing more damage

[@borby4584]

The cruel irony of Emma getting a TF... on the same Update that confirms a Miku rerun, and thus allows us to get the *real* best waveblocking Uber (tied with Eva 00)

[@Surkk2960]

Don't forget Yaminora and Witchy Neneko :3

[@borby4584]

@@Surkk2960 dunno if Yaminora does it well, but Neneko isn’t Uber

[@Geology051]

Is that one miku uber really that good? Cause I don’t care enough about the collab to have actually known about it. Buts that’s cool if it is

[@borby4584]

@@Geology051 Last I checked, it's tied with Eva 00 for Best Uber Waveblocker, due to doing everything Emma fails at. She's got good durability, a resistance to two types, and a standing range of 350

[@astablemultivibbrator8538]

@@borby4584 Yaminora's HP is between Eva 00 and Tokyo Miku, but his cooldown is almost half of their cooldown.

[@nacl4988]

Honestly, They could of made her so much better with just a range increase. 200 -> 260 maybe. Still short range, But not directly in combat, then her 10 KBs could be used as a benefit instead of a detriment, letting her keep blocking for ages, Sort of like how Mitama does with slows. Good HP, lotta KB, Not melee.

[@pak321]

Her tf and talents don't really improve her survivability. If ponos dont wanna increase her range they can give a 20% dodge chance instead. Waves from enemies also help triggering the dodge against all enemies.

[@nacl4988]

​@@pak321survivability is much better, more HP and better weaken. The problem is still lack of waveblocker functionality

[@heferh4320]

me the day of my wedding: 👨‍🦱 me when Emma's true form is finally released: 🤵

[@iker9095]

Honestly, even if they didn't give her more range, I think reducing her kb count to 2 or 1 would have made her much better either as a debuffer or a wave blocker

[@ephraimium6755]

She would have no way to rebound back from insanely powerful DPS swarms when needed

[@GBreaker.]

​@@ephraimium6755they could at liest cut half of her KBs. 5 is perfect number, wouldn't die to fast to aggressive enemies and Wave block ability would work better.

[@Chili65]

tbh the least they could have done was cut her kb count by half to 5. it would make her way better. and the weird thing is PONOS isnt afraid to cut a unit's kb count like how bw lion cat got its kb count reduced from 5 -> 2

[@Tem07]

I think shes genuinely amazing now. Provided you fully talent.

[@abraham-kun4144]

Honestly, that buffs are good, but also I expected more range and less knockback count. In case if Emma gets Ultra Talents, these would be good. Resistance Surge Immune

[@kingauther7812]

Resist would make her way too tanky lol

[@abraham-kun4144]

@@kingauther7812 That's the point, cause she has 10x KB.

[@Geology051]

Resist would be way too tanky. And surge immunity is janky. Would only be useful if you were using her for weaken and not as a wave blocker

[@Andrew-pq3lj]

surge blocker?

[@abraham-kun4144]

@@Andrew-pq3lj Immune, not blocker, read first.

[@Mxi50]

The only time where Siluman don't put Emma in the true form poll Is the time she get true form and even talents She look so gorgeous ✨

[@commandergs1390]

He did though

[@Mxi50]

@@commandergs1390 ooh, the fifth letter Now understand bruh Anyways, still gorgeous

[@nacl4988]

"Wow. That true form sure was a lot of not much to fix her. Oh they just changed her entirely? Well she's pretty good I guess now."

[@aamirariff9252]

Honestly, even if she didn't get the buffs we all were expecting. You gotta admit that design looks sick. She's smokin hot now

[@Surkk2960]

good pun

[@Pudding404]

Emma's """"""saving grace""""" is that there are almost no wave blockers that aren't ubers, wave blocker powercreep is non-existant aside from octo. Her health at base level 30 is really good, 340k, only made better by her weaken. I appriciate they didn't just try to make another cat machine. She is the definition of a test subject unit. Siluman is a fan of demon girls with that S waifu ranking, good taste.

[@aydenator27]

hmm, that first part of your comment is strange. do you mean theres just not a lot of wave shields in general? because Emma is an uber herself…

[@acone2017]

no saving grace because of witchy neneko,yamii,that one miku uber and eva 00

[@Only4two100bucks]

It's not like her role is that valuable either when we can simply spam the wave immune units and beat the stage anyways.

[@nomsomething]

EMMA TRUE FORM YOOOOO

[@nomsomething]

It's not even good 😔😔😔

[@savageteddybear7440]

@@nomsomethingall stages of grief completed world record

[@kingauther7812]

@@nomsomethingit is

[@jojidubi4]

IMO, Emma needed these talent upgrades as part of her TF to be worthy of the “Wave Buster” title. That, and she would have the potential to be buffed further with talents. It wouldn’t make her OP even in a regular sense.

[@TheHighDerple]

after all this time, and the wave buster still isn't great at her one job :(

[@KhakiLongLegs]

One of the best meat shields made for a support unit :^(

[@maniacmohawk5513]

I think Emma TF has potential, let’s take for example an strengthened Zero luza: he has 80k x 2 of damage and Can pretty much annihilate anything, the thing is Emma kb can actually help her in this scenario since she will always only take half the damage, so a angry zero luza would take an aprox of 6 attacks to kill a lvl 30 Emma, that’s quite big in my opinion and it didn’t even included the weaken effect

[@Geology051]

Close; it’s 5, not 6. Though, I don’t think that’s a good stage to use her on at all. She may be able to survive _some_ of luza, but she will very quickly falter to the sir rels, wild doges, and bore jrs, due to the lack of meatshields that will be able to protect her

[@ephraimium6755]

​@@Geology051rushers are quite valuable choice tho, even lv20+50 Superfeline can help a lot with Relic peons

[@Geology051]

@@ephraimium6755 I’m not sure why you’re bringing that up. Her damage is terrible. You cannot use her as an attacker, let alone a rusher

[@ephraimium6755]

@@Geology051 What I meant is that you can use her with other rushers like B.Train, Superfeline, Doron, Supercar, etc

[@Geology051]

@@ephraimium6755 What for? There’s not much synergy there. Like I said already, she’s a terrible rusher herself, so she’s not gonna make other rushers perform any better by bringing her

[@edxomby2579]

Siluman as always bringing absolutely fitting bangers in his videos

[@Surkk2960]

I do like the fact she kind of looks like Shiki Eiki from 2hu (good music choice) and the whole support role she has, but at this rate we should just replace her with Witchy Neneko for the lead gal of the Wave Busters banner...

[@lancetheking7524]

Honestly, I can see this as a "rusher support" type, being used with Thunderjack to bombrush the frontlines (maybe some extra support behind if need be), on top of protecting anyone from waves properly. Range still could be a little higher... 250....

[@omabang5002]

4:49 "Emma can throw her anywhere to raise your team defense." * Proceed to yeet herself *

[@emanwonkon2205]

I was wondering where i heard that song from. Luckily im good inthis stuff, inonly a few seconds i realised it was from helltaker, thanks for the fitting choice of music.

[@kaimy66]

I feel like a simple way of making her better is to cut the amount of KBs she has in half and to increase her range to about 300-350, since most wave enemies operate below that range. But as she stands now she’s basically Supercat Deluxe. A li’l disappointing for someone who’s supposedly a wave buster.

[@meepswag35]

its really sad because ponos is willing to remove knockbacks in true forms, but of course the unit that needed it the most didnt get it

[@scottstaker6818]

She just got her tf and with how bad it and talents are im already hoping for her ultra talents 🥳

[@insertusernamehere8125]

We waited years and many polls of guessing that Emma's true form would come next update just for this...

[@Surkk2960]

The Monke's Paw is a cruel wish granter...

[@ChunwunB]

All she needed was range and more HP and that alone would have made her one of the best wave blockers

[@elthoncubasbv1860]

It shows that you had NP saved for this epic moment xd

[@Franklamerde]

Emma's true form is cool and all, but Ponos when are you going to give catelite and shigong talents ???

[@LokiThePug]

They should have decreased the knockbacks, at least by half would have kinda resolved the main issue at hand besides range

[@frenchfrywaffle7082]

She’s now 10 octopus cats and a super cat stapled together.

[@carloss.8117]

At first, I was a little disappointed, thinking that she wasn't going to measure up. But after trying it, with her talents, I can safely say, that it's one of the best cc units in the whole game, as much or (depend on situation) more than even Chronos or Mitama. And yes, arguably the best wave blocker too. Her hp buff, along the weaken, and her speed, fix nice the knockback highcount. If it's necessary, her sinergy with other cc units it's brutal. And her short range, it's usefull for protect more units.

[@Darktanyan]

Lmao she is one of the worst wave blockers

[@carloss.8117]

@@Darktanyan I respect your opinion, only speaking about my own experience.

[@Only4two100bucks]

​@@DarktanyanNah, when invested properly, Emma performs much better than Octo due to her insane HP, higher range and support capabilities. While Octo struggle against aggressive melee enemies in today meta, Emma thrives against them.

[@Darktanyan]

@@Only4two100bucks emma gets knocked back all the time and octo has quite short cooldown and is relatively easy to boost

[@Only4two100bucks]

@@Darktanyan Emma only get KB when she doesn't have sufficient HP, when she proc her weaken Emma becomes pretty sturdy. Meanwhile octo will die fast against melee enemies and leave some downtime between cooldown.

[@blazie42069]

I think cutting her to 2-3 knockbacks rather than 10 would make her pretty great

[@nexusgameplays4908]

helltaker never die

[@penguinclub2008]

Finally Emma TF CONFIRMED

[@longdinhhoang]

Ponos: "She looks cool now, what more do you want?"

[@Masternati]

Emma ultra talents: Resist vs every trait and behemoth slayer Emma: I'M INVENCIBLE Poisom enemies and Zollow: No

[@Aegis_Paradise]

Honestly, they should give her a new ability altogether with talents that gives her actual knock back instead of the disappearing from the field thing that all cats have after taking damage. This should be limited just to her like how W&P are the only unit with base destroyer.

[@user-um8cg1rb8z]

The design is amazing and it's new role is interesting Sure, it's not the great wave-blocker it is supposed to be, but from the start it couldn't have been. At least now she can have a good support role

[@astablemultivibbrator8538]

It could have been a very easy fix. Just reduce the KB count to 5 and nothing else, which would have improved her by a ton. What's even infuriating is they literally did just that with BW Cow in the same update.

[@Azmie11]

nowbonly left with sirius true form. An already good unit, they probably not gonna give much

[@kia_ghaz]

Idk why this vid makes me wanna get emma

[@danila4474]

Helltaker theme fits her too good, bruh

[@timmyreobed5043]

Ultimately if you want a good buster of waves, ignore Wave Busters entirely and roll for Yamii or Witchy Neneko. Or get Tokyo Miku from the returning Miku collab, but that won't be a relevant piece of advice for everyone. And honestly I still feel like i'd rather use Thaumaturge than Emma for weakens too.

[@Its_Kirby09]

Hope ultra talents can give her range increase talents max lvl is 5 and more chances to weaken?

[@Kamukura7th]

Oh well, at least we can say she's a great waifu (always has been), now it's time to wait for Ultra Talents if PONOS decides to give her

[@DeathlyNay-Nay]

A Buster that doesn't do its job correctly... So Tokyo-Miku and Eva-00 still the best Wave Buster (or more like Blocker) currently, right?

[@THE_REAL_LOU]

yaminora

[@jenrobsreevanich8755]

Actually, the real way to fix her is to decrease the attack's animation fore-swing time. 1.6 seconds is a bit too long. she would be a proper rusher at that point.

[@astablemultivibbrator8538]

Her damage still sucks and it's multi-hit so even if she rebounds, she'll only be dealing 1/3 of her damage every time.

[@ShadowMoon-ms1ce]

not what most people prob wanted but hey at least TF tried to fix it and unintentionally made her more unique would i consider this a win for her? yes now she can be used generally instead of being pigeon holed into 1 niche she has that for her unlike allot of TF ubers

[@Surkk2960]

It does make her amazing as a de-buffer, but it still didn't fix the role she was specifically built to be the best at doing... and being outclassed by a Neneko variant is kind of sad...

[@gotekeeper9519]

TF and Talents in the same update just makes her TF feel even more incomplete. "catfruit and XP only get you half a TF and the rest is locked behind NP" sort of thing. have a good day.

[@lemeow4426]

Outclassed by an octopus roleplayer

[@Lynxeon_Windys_Husband]

I feel that when comparing octopus cat to her Emma is pretty good a lvl 50 octo has 43K hp emma with no weak has 44k in endurance so she like 10 of them without weaken with weaken she has 50% more endurance hp along with strengthening meatshields and chipping enemy backliners.

[@Surkk2960]

True, but if she's the only wave blocker and she gets KB'd by a wave unit, that is a lot of damage heading to your backline, she would still need some support to properly do her job. Her plus Witchy Neneko could be a good combo.

[@valewizz5311]

Problem is, octopus is slow which benefits with the whole wave thing while Emma rushes to the front line

[@ephraimium6755]

​@@valewizz5311This statement is only true if octopus cat doesn't have a shorter lifespan than the respawn timer

[@kongslayer2226]

Now am i question about if ponos would create the "surge busters" and thinking about how op that unit could be. Maybe surge reflect?

[@Azmie11]

nah they just put dasli in

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

Then that banner just guaranteed to give dark kasli

[@acone2017]

surge reflect when the surge base hits the surge reflecter

[@marinmizu]

The only thing she needed to be a great wave blocker is less KB and more durability

[@franciscopereira7798]

All of that for a bad wave blocker

[@demo_AAA]

Ngl, she’s pretty useful against Zero Luza. Kinda like a second Naala

[@Mudkep_]

This is the closest we are going to get to a weaken uberfest unit.

[@SilumanTomcatReborn]

it would be funny if ponos suddenly release new FEST units with better Weaken ability

[@crypto1264_]

Nice vid

[@hsmit007]

Can you post some more videos regarding the 12.7 stuff

[@Azmie11]

patience bro, the update just dropped

[@Iexist8003]

Honestly I’m glad she gets talents, since now the colossus busters can finally start getting true forms Can’t wait for Vega, Tengu, and Sirius true forms (and Envans too I guess, since I have him as well)

[@fili2871]

sirius is already busted, idk whta could they add

[@acone2017]

​@@fili2871tf just makes her look cooler

[@Iexist8003]

My best guess is just waiting for more Debuffs to get added for her, and then give her immunities to those, wave and surge, and maybe higher stats and Crit/savage blow or a cc ability, something different than Weaken so she isn’t just Vega but better

[@kadejelinski2114]

She’s a good Uber but idk why she is considered a wave buster since she is garbage at stopping waves

[@azazel09982]

Wow nothing change XD

[@cetadel6597]

FINALLY

[@chillfacenoob]

Still waiting for War God Hanzo true form.

[@nacl4988]

What song is that from 1:50 ? I swear o recognise it but cant tell where from

[@SilumanTomcatReborn]

helltaker song

[@nacl4988]

​@@SilumanTomcatRebornthank you!

[@elvisobua5459]

Taker

[@Geology051]

They waited so long give this to her, and they didn’t even wait until the addition of new enemies/counters to justify the wait and make it worth it. Judging by her stance as the wave buster, this true form is a disappointment. It’s a shame that ponos decided to change her kit and alter her niche instead of attempting to enhance what she’s supposed to be good at. I guess though it’s good to have closure and know that the original buster collection is complete. Now it’s time to replace her with Sirius as that one option on every update poll

[@GTSE2005]

All ponor needed to do was increase her range...

[@ELITEzinho]

Instead of being the ultimate anti wave uber she is supposed to be, she becomes a weaken support unit instead. Wth

[@LeiNavI_]

Sad that emma still garbo 💀

[@LucianRayden228]

I really was hoping they will fix her...

[@axcelleria]

I knew it, she is S tier waifu 😅

[@BietKo-jd9uu]

Hell taker in battle cats belike

[@jaypeadieL611]

So we can all agree she is probably gonna get the ultraform treatment as the black sheep of busters banner

[@Only4two100bucks]

Turned out she didn't get the UF, Sakura did hahaha. The black sheep is always a black sheep

[@jaypeadieL611]

@@Only4two100bucks rip. Tf slime though

[@he_carnation]

First! (Don't hurt me lol) Anyway, What do you think about the Brainwashed Cats' True Form? Like, Are they worth it?

[@shawt_guy]

They have true forms?

[@he_carnation]

@@shawt_guy Yeah, In the new JP update

[@SilumanTomcatReborn]

since many of them are already solid, the change is not major. but it's enough to create the difference. bw lion is still shit tho

[@he_carnation]

@@SilumanTomcatReborn Yeet, Can't wait to true form my Brainwashed Sexy legs lol

[@haritsaldiyafi]

Yaminora: Hp : 105.040 Dmg/Dps: 25.500/3.844 Range: 340 Spd: 10 Kb: 2 Recharge Time: 97.87 seconds Eva Unit 00 Hp : 127.500 Dmg/Dps: 46.750/4.803 Range: 350 Spd: 11 Kb: 2 Recharge Time: 174.53 seconds Tokyo Miku Hp : 96.900 Dmg/Dps: 40.800/5.563 Range: 350 Spd: 10 Kb: 3 Recharge Time: 144.53 seconds Imo Yaminora is better because it have faster cooldown. Later in UL enemy is high buff so lost uber is avoidable. So have uber who easily to refresh is good. Yaminora is only lose 10 range but gain almost half faster cooldown compare to Eva 00 & Tokyo Miku. Tbh i think Eva 00 is little inferior. Yes it have biggest hp compare to 3 of them but if we lose it we need wait long to redeploy it. Thats no good in UL. But if we can protect it well it can survive long. It just its lose little relevance in UL just because how buff enemy & harsh environtmen in there. But still 3 of them still better wave blocker than Emma.

[@pembasminabisesat]

😂😂😂 Emma is top 1

[@duyminh2803]

ponor couldve done better give her kb inmune, reduce her kb count to 1/2, give her more range, and give her curse against all trait

[@MJoseph.]

Giving her curse to all traits would be so broken

[@bigstew808]

If they just dropped her KB count she'd be insane but I guess ponos thought that's too broken considering her mass amount of health so went with the shit design she got that's pretty laughable

[@Clemente-0]

Boy if she just got half the kb and like 50 more range 😢 ponos why

[@Spoopmode]

My wife.

[@suchen403]

50k (100k after weaken) hp per knockback isnt enough for you? it's more durable than ramen.

[@SilumanTomcatReborn]

Bad comparison dude. 1. Ramen is spammable units 2. For melee tanker like her, lower KB is always the best choice

[@suchen403]

Yeah, I get that, but she is only pseudo melee right? Her range is higher than Octopus and close to Can Can but having similar HP per knock back (against non floating), which should make her better than or at least equal to 10x Octopus. If we compare her against Eva Unit 00 or Gloomy Neneko who have better ranges, she lasts longer on battle field at a cost of letting 1 or 2 wave slipping through. I tried her evolved form at lv30 against Angle Baron stages up to lv15 and she cannot hold up beyond that and I had to use Oct + Hitman to handle the bore, mainly due to her high cost and no warp immunity (from the Angle itself). I imagine with about 2x HP after TF and cateye boost to 50, she should be able to perform a lot better. But considering we have so many different ways to country wave enemies, the investment might be unnecessary for most. Emma's HP pool really impressed me. I can totally see that she will get juggled left and right unboosted, but she also has the potential to grow into a 760k health monster without weaken. The health per KB will be on the same level as Can Can and the weaken/wave block will be more reliable as the HP pool grows larger. Her fast speed also makes up for the KB and less ground will be lost. I'd say she would do a better job than Kai as a tank and last way longer in the battle field, just because Emma still outranges many melee enemy units and can be somewhat protected by fast MS and Kai does not have that luxury. I will try to slowly get her up and see. Regardless, great content man! @@SilumanTomcatReborn

[@SilumanTomcatReborn]

@@suchen403 i get what you mean. but the problem is emma has high speed. as soon as she knocked, he runs again to the frontline only to get knocked again and again. it makes the whole idea redundant. she only works best when there is wall enemy that prevents her to run down. for example, she works on Stylist Mononoke (second stage footage) because there is constant haniwan enemy that blocks her path. on any other stage without that, she can be waste of resource. she is already doomed from the beginning i'm not sure if upgrading her to Lv60 would make any difference. but i'm looking forward to hear your research result

[@mintsushi9598]

everyone before watching this was like "emma still sucks 🤬🤬🤬 no durability octo better" octo > deathkory >>> emma vs deathkory

[@Kong37BattleCats]

Ehh.. she’s decent now,., I guess

[@kuro_nekooo]

Who should i choose, emma or sirius

[@SilumanTomcatReborn]

sirius

[@lasvossal]

I like the approach PONOS took. Instead of taking the easy route and simply giving her range, they improved her HP and weaken in order to work more like a chain of octopus cats. She can actually work really well in this sense.

[@lasvossal]

Additionally, this makes her very unique among anti wave units.

[@rebornmatrix5718]

i should probably watch the whole video but i dont see why shes that bad. Yeah nah ima watch the video

[@Koperlich.]

but the kb's are still really problematic,i think that she won't really be useful with the aggressiveness of wave units later on

[@SPZ-gv2on]

It's a cool approach but I dislike it being on her specifically. Hyped up by the game as some supreme anti-wave unit and still basically the worst at that role in the set.

[@ephraimium6755]

​@@Koperlich.She's actually a really viable unit on non-wave stage with the new weaken effect buff tho

[@gabbycal]

Still one of the worst wave busters. :(

[@gabbycal]

At least she’s hot.

[@robertomannella5621]

No way

[@dimavlasiuk4220]

smash

[@SirojToshmatov-ug4vs]

Cute snow 13

[@ewokcitc]

waifu improvement but still not that great. Super cat but Uber is cool I guess?

[@ReclaimerX]

This is NOT justice for Emma 😡 Ponor L

[@Spotth]

So basically she is still dog water

[@fattyratz2474]

first