Enterprise vs Reliant - Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan

Ricardo Montalban first played KHAN NOONIEN SINGH in the 1967 Star Trek TV episode "Space Seed." Having a budget of only 1/3 the original motion picture, Wrath of Khan is considered one of the best Star Trek movies, with music by James Horner.

[@douglaslally156]

Factoid: Ricardo Montalban volunteered to discount his salary to 100K so the film's budget could accommodate all the expensive FX features it needed. He enjoyed playing Khan so much the role wasn't about money for him.

[@gracien2008]

If you really ENJOY and like what you do... you will never work a day in your life... R.I.P Ricardo Montalban.

[@THE-HammerMan]

Douglas Lally I did not know this! Thanks...and RIP RM.

[@Diskoboy1974]

I wouldn't blame him either. Up to that point he was known as either Mr. Roarke from Fantasy Island or the man who hocked 'fine Corinthian leather' for Chrysler. Returning as Khan made him a legend. He really played an excellent villain. He hit it big again a few years later as the villian in The Naked Gun. An audience loves to see a normally good man play someone evil.

[@mayamanign]

@@Diskoboy1974 Lol he had been in movies for decades, he was fine.

[@atrociousconsequences4432]

All he wanted was his vengeance on William Shatner ?

[@Endeva09]

Whether you’re a Trekkie or not, I honestly believe this is one of the best movies ever made, an absolute masterpiece.

[@moltenamber85]

Agreed as someone who is more a fan of the first 6 Star Wars movies. There ARE five original timeline Trek movies I really like, however.

[@michaelvaughn8864]

Totally agreed

[@mikewetzel6788]

If anyone asks me my favorite movie I have decided that THIS one will Always be my answer.

[@theessentials450]

Makes no sense or impact to a non-trekkie. I would not attend a baseball game as I hate baseball.

[@marshall9886]

The best hero bad guy movie ever. Close second is die hard and John wick original.

[@AllenManor]

By today's standards, this was filmed on a ridiculously small budget, yet it is widely regarded as the best Star Trek film ever made. There is a lesson to be learned here!

[@144Donn]

It's ALL about the story!!!Damn the special effects!

[@colinmontgomery1956]

@@144Donn , what are you talking, TWOK's special effects are awesome.

[@cronsmans]

Yep good writing trumps better so effects everytime.

[@jeepanco880]

The conflict was real and the cost to both sides was very high, good writing all around!

[@Action_Figure_King]

Hence why Episode 1 just sucked. Lucas forgot his own mantra, story over SFX!!! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jeffreyrepace785]

Even after 40yrs this sequence raises the hairs on the back of my neck. And Kirks "here it comes" line so dryly delivered....just greatness.

[@insideoutsideupsidedown2218]

Though not very long, this is one of the best space battles ever made.

[@whispermason8052]

gotta love that music with it too

[@johnathanday3011]

I do like Wrath of Kahn but the next movie was the best for me. Remembering watching this with my mother who grew up watching the shows.

[@filter021]

The Starfleet battles game describes life on board a starship as six months boredom, and six minutes stark screaming terror.

[@mmarzett]

Apparently, it took quite a few takes of Shatner saying “Here it comes.” before we got what we saw onscreen.

[@NomadRepublic]

Let’s not overlook the main lesson here: The entire event could’ve been avoided had Kirk simply raised the shields like regulations stated. Saavik was right. 😐

[@mikey_suzefour]

Being boastful is what did in Khan too which was stupid on his part...I would've blasted the Enterprise to hell.

[@robertcaldwell910]

That's OKAY. Am I the onlly one left on earth, who uses IMAGINATION? What is the obsession with "reality"? Who CARES?

[@sonrouge]

Or thrown Khan and his people out of the airlock when they first encountered them, rather than just exiling them.

[@prancer71]

ALWAYS TRUST A PRETTY OFFICER

[@robertmorris8997]

If Kirk had listened to Saavik we wouldn't have had this outstanding movie.

[@fjccommish]

This is how you create drama. Instead of keeping secrets from the audience to try to surprise them, keep secrets from the characters to build the tension.

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

Sadly nobody in Hollywood knows how to write this kind of thing anymore. This one scene is better than everything Star Trek has shit out in the last ten years combined.

[@Kevinegan1]

And make the entire crew completely clueless.

[@RennieAsh]

There's a balancing act. I hate when characters are so clueless that there's no way they'd be on a starship etc ;p

[@davidknight2104]

👏🏻👏🏻 amen to that

[@saa82vik]

Now they only do reboot or remakes and silly prequels, Or a remake of a reboot of a sequel like the cumberbach one.

[@toxichammertoe8696]

This movie single-handedly saved the franchise

[@blazer666del]

And Nimoy`s career, as he quit after this movie. But came back after its success at the box office...

[@wardragonprime]

This is a classic.

[@danielwalker26]

@trf12567 we don't talk about that movie.

[@springbloom5940]

@trf12567 Nothing wrong with the Motion Picture.

[@springbloom5940]

As a kid, seeing the Enterprise getting jacked up like that, was just 😮

[@JacobiusNH80]

That epic score! R.I.P. James Horner. legend

[@filmmusicguy26]

I know right. I fell in love with music because of him.

[@stargazer467]

Truly. Without it.... Static.

[@stevealikonis9467]

yes one of the best scores ever!

[@marvelstarwarsgeek1511]

Hear hear amazing soundtrack one of my most listened to

[@MORE1500]

The music at 9:22 reminds me of the opening score to Mysterious Island.

[@dylanrhymerthecomedian8023]

An unsung hero is James Horner’s score through this entire scene. It’s subconsciously telling us the story without any words. One of my favourite movie scores of all time.

[@sliceserve234]

Had the same thought. Perfection in movie scoring. You rarely see (hear it) this good.

[@gaspump]

And he was an absolute nobody who turned this movie into a beautiful space opera. What a shame he got a swollen head.

[@toddwatson7381]

1000000% agree!!! The musical score adds emotion depth excitement tension and more!!!!!

[@02ujtb00626]

1000%. The score for this film was outstanding.

[@Reflect_the_Son]

The best Star Trek movie ever. I found out recently that Ricardo shot all his footage in a totally different sound stage due to his Fantasy Island schedule being so tight. This plus the pay cut he took (that someone else mentioned) gives me loads of respect for the man.

[@bratton79]

The lack of a direct physical confrontation between Kirk and Kahn didn’t hurt the film one iota but in retrospect it would have been impactful if such a scene existed. Perhaps Khan would have beamed Kirk over to the Reliant and imprisoned him In the brig. Khan might have roughed Kirk up a little. Members of the Enterprise crew would have had to sneak on board Reliant somehow to mount a rescue. But like I said, a direct confrontation between the two never felt necessary during the many times that I have seen this masterpiece.

[@curtzeek8818]

@@bratton79 I disagree. Your scenario wouldn't make it for me. I would only like a face to face if it came down to matching wits and Kirk won that way. Someone had to outsmart the other. Your way, he needed help from his crew to win. That doesn't work with the storyline thay built.

[@Ericwvb2]

This film also shows how you don't need the 10 minute long fist fight between the protagonist and antagonist on a speeding craft flying through some alien landscape with a doomsday button and doomsday countdown. Khan and Kirk never occupy the same room yet the tension between them is incredible.

[@ericmiller9688]

Khan and Phil Collins both want Genesis 😊

[@carminemurray6624]

Awwww, Rest in Peace Kirstie Alley, You are missed.

[@DylansPen]

Hard to believe Kirstie Allie is gone now. Love this movie.

[@davidhazel5854]

I was sorry when they replaced her in the next film.

[@dwmzmm]

@@davidhazel5854 Read that she demanded a huge raise to be on the next Star Trek movie, was told to take a hike (they got someone else to play her part).

[@davidhazel5854]

@@dwmzmm Because she asked for a higher fee for the sequel, or because she was a woman asking for a higher fee? Plenty of male actors have done that, and been rehired at a higher fee.

[@MagicAl5F4781]

@@davidhazel5854 Paramount's offer and Alley's agent's counteroffer were both ridiculous: Paramount offered her a pay CUT because "sequels make less money". Her agent then asked for a lot more money, which happened to be more than DeForest Kelley was making. The studio didn't counteroffer and recast, probably because the agent had unknowingly crossed a line that could upset how much the entire Star Trek cast cost going forward.

[@forzatuner3916]

​@@davidhazel5854 Why do female porn actress get paid 4 times as much as the men?

[@kirkhenry3867]

This movie is 40 years old this year....first movie I went to by myself and walked home....pure magic, favorite star trek movie by far.

[@Silvereagledude]

Mine, too….it was superior

[@blackwaltz3135]

lucky person, i only remember watching it at home when i dad used to watch it on TV

[@carminemurray6624]

"Your's is the Superior intellect."

[@Action_Figure_King]

Back when you could stuff like that.

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

I would have likely stumbled towards home and ended up in a ditch. Only to be rescued by paramedics 2 days later. Good thing I was a kid and wasn't allowed to watch it until the library had it on VHS a few years later.

[@user-gv4bf4zx2s]

As soon as Khan took command of the Reliant he upgraded the Captain's chair with Fine Corinthian Leather ;)

[@ulphil08]

+Mudder Fukker And renamed the ship "The Cordoba"

[@Agent1W]

+ulphil08 And [KHAAAAAN!] put it on the "Crystal Key" program, which is a fully comprehensive maintenance program that beats anything the United Federation of Planets has. It will even cover damages that would otherwise decommission UFP ships!

[@kuribayashi84]

+ulphil08 Lol, if he had waited with his revenge for a couple of more weeks and had enough paint, I'm pretty sure he would have done something like that! :D

[@deacondavis5098]

Mudder Fukker HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@thedevilsadvocate5210]

Rich Corinthian leather, it's rich Corinthian leather

[@deepthought3316]

The music to this scene is incredible

[@MegaZeta]

One of the greatest movie scores in the entire genre of science fiction, and that's saying something.

[@jalenjohnson1662]

One of Horner's best. I think this is the score that made him into a famous composer.

[@scottm8579]

Sulu: "Sir, you did it." Kirk: "I did nothing. Just got caught with my britches down. Saavik, you go right on quoting regulations." Love that last line.

[@VegetaLF7]

Exactly. It shows that Kirk realized his mistake and that his subordinate was correct. He absolutely made the wrong call and put them all at risk.

[@guslakis]

Montalban was underrated as an actor, he was magnificent here.

[@halon7476]

Khan's crew looks like a 80s rock band.

[@Antimatter050]

Yeah especially khan. He definitely looks like some rock band star I seen but can't think of the name....

[@weissmag]

@@Antimatter050 :Nikki Sixx & some others, maybe Bon Jovi

[@angryoldfatman]

Maybe, but he and the crew looked so badass when they were planetside. The asymmetrical metal slit masks made the costume. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5_ZhWOVma58rJY

[@bailey9r]

Maybe a LBGT rock band ;

[@rprince418]

Khan and the Genetics!

[@raijinmeister]

Still the best of all Star Trek movies. Sorry J.J but this is the real Khan.

[@UmbrellaWatch]

hell right!!!!

[@atrociousconsequences4432]

Khan's background was suspected to be Sikh, from the northern region of India. Ricardo Montalbán was the son of Spanish immigrant parents, so not very real.

[@samlatifi3254]

@Dennis Vance lol. Good point well made.

[@richardjackson9584]

@@brasidas33 there is a big Star Trek Khan Theory going around. That he wasn't actually Khan, but was a loyal standen so people wouldn't figure out Khan's real identity. Khan Noonien Singh took over a quarter of the planet through the shadows and the manipulation of the government's moving people around because he was just so intelligent he knew and could predict what people we're going to do. playing chess if you will.

[@edselman3158]

@Dennis Vance Seriously underrated comment.

[@renegade8981]

My favourite scene from this film is Kirk’s eulogy for Spock: “Of my friend, I can only say this. Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most human.” Shatner’s voice breaking in the last phrase was acting perfection.

[@ronniejdio9411]

Horner's is on another level here. Just perfection of an score

[@feelx92ger]

Horner connected script and emotion so beautifully, yet kept the epic structure due to his organized, structured signature. He went off to space too early...

[@alegriaho]

Interesting to note, Horner was chosen for the score because they couldn't afford Jerry Goldsmith, who had done ST:TMP. Horner was way less-known at the time and therefore much cheaper. Thank heavens for tight budgets! I love Goldsmith, but the score from ST II & III are my favorites of the whole series of movies. Especially this scene, Battle in the Mutara Nebula & Genesis Countdown.

[@coolcat6303]

@@alegriaho The funny thing is that after Horner did Star Trek 3, he also became too expensive. So they got a different composer for ST4.

[@VainEldritch]

I'd forgotten how achingly lovely Kirsty Ally was. What a beauty.

[@Steve20127]

Quite. A real looker.

[@Preyhawk81]

butt than she got realy fat. ….. Thats why dont marry ;-)

[@devox3291]

Many wanks were attributed to her back in the day!😉

[@NameCallingIsWeak]

"I'd forgotten how achingly lovely Kirsty Ally was." BELL-EEEE-SEEE-MA!!!

[@TheJosep70]

Yup discovered her in Masquerade and fell in love.

[@Trendle222]

for 1982 this movie STILL kicks ass imo =)

[@Zachomara]

Off the top of my head, I can't seem to come up with another movie quite like it.

[@jonathandonley3299]

It's not opinion. It's fact.

[@plastique45]

On top of that, it was low budget even for an 80's sci-fi movie made by a studio with known actors. Everything they pulled off on that production is remarkable.

[@xaviercross917]

For 2020 this movie is untouchable!!!

[@SiriusMined]

It's a kickass movie for ANY time!

[@blank557]

When I watched this scene for the first time in a packed theater, everyone went nuts. It was an awesome moment.

[@Tessmage_Tessera]

I remember half the people in the theater jumping to their feet and shrieking "NO..!!!" when Khan opened fire on the Enterprise.

[@krismurphy7711]

Ain't that the truth!! We all remember the first time we saw the scenes....and it was like WOW!!!

[@BigBri550]

I remember how the audience cheered jubilantly when Kirk turned the tables on Khan in this scene - also at the end when Spock ended his narration and the credits rolled. To this day, I have never heard an ovation like that at the end of any other motion picture.

[@BigDaddyJinx]

Still one of THE best cinematic duels ever put to film.

[@shujin12345678]

and this scene is just the opening.. there's the starbase subterfuge, ending with the chase into the nebula, and the tense "hunter becoming the hunted" drama ...

[@rossarmstrong6731]

I swear Montalban absolutely relished his part. When I was a little kid I saw Khan as a genuinely scary character. Looking at it with grown up eyes, you see how he really made this part his own.

[@patrickturner6878]

The TOS episode where he is first found is like one of the greatest displays of acting on a TV show of all time.

[@s727r]

Absolutely, I was genuinely scared of him. Legendary actor.

[@kirbyculp3449]

I liked the part when he sings 'Volare, oh oh...'

[@manco828]

An amazing fact is that Ricardo Montalban is saying all his lines to a script girl, he never was face to face with William Shatner in a single scene.

[@vwlssnvwls3262]

Movies like this one prove that it is not required to have amazing special effects to make a great movie. All that is required are engaging characters and great storytelling.

[@RaijinKaze]

Not to mention a totally baller soundtrack and music producer who knows what they are doing

[@dchegu]

Great movie always had engaging characters n great story telling. Sfx is just additional seasoning.

[@Ericwvb2]

This film had amazing special effects for when it was released and it sure wowed me in the theater. The Genesis proposal was the first full length CGI sequence in a motion picture AFAIK.

[@fastertrackcreative]

I thought the sfx were well done for the time. The ships really had this feeling of battle of the titians

[@Elthenar]

@@RaijinKaze I am glad that was the first response. The legendary music was half the battle.

[@jt0n]

"Stand by to receive our transmission" Kirk's smug grin when he says this is beautiful, he knows he's already won

[@mikegallant811]

Yeah, you could say Jim took Khan (figuratively anyway)by the nutsack and yanked, hard!

[@dougsholly9323]

In my opinion, Wrath of Khan was the best Star Trek movie ever made.

[@westonstevens3239]

Your opinion is shared by most trekkies. And I would definitely concur. First Contact the second best.

[@Alan-tr5uj]

I feel the Wrath of Khan is right up there, surely it represents some of the best of Star Trek. I don't feel First Contact is or has ever been in the running for 2nd best Trek film... I would agree it's a solid 3rd place; the Wrath of Khan and the Undiscovered Country duke it out for 1st & 2nd-- I certainly feel the Undiscovered Country is better than ANY of the next-gen movies; by a huge margin. The only trek films I dislike are the motion picture, and 5

[@westonstevens3239]

@@Alan-tr5uj Final frontier a very underrated movie, had a lot of great acting in it. The story and the special effects were what weren't so great about it. The motion picture was a work of art, when you think about it all modern star trek is based on choices that were made in that movie.

[@danielmarinucci7708]

And he wasn't the best khan too.

[@Alan-tr5uj]

@@westonstevens3239 For me, Final Frontier seems like it wasn't a completed work before they started filming. I can get past the lower budget special effects, BUT I simply cannot get past what I feel is an incomplete story; it seems like what we got was like a 3rd draft- and they said good enough... It needed to be tweaked- a few more revisions at minimum.

[@jonglo52]

3.08.. where the trainee is screaming he can't breath and you hear Scotty shouting 'Use your respirators' Love that little moment showing the difference between an untested trainee and a veteran.

[@GR8TM4N]

I remember watching this in a VHS cassette together with my dad back in the 80s ... And I recall how captivated my old man was by this scene with the Reliant and Enterprise going side to side so when captain Kirk says "raise shields" my father stood up from the chair shouting "too late you idiot! too late!!" :D ... oh well. R.I.P dad

[@Admiral8Q]

I still have it on VHS tape. No way to play it though if it would not snap, heh!

[@DoroteoVilla]

Great stuff

[@luigivincenz3843]

haha same with my Dad. VHS tape too! When we were kids, we knew he was into it when he kept saying "Kirk the effing greatest captain!". For which he is (F PICARD)

[@mikeandrews9551]

Dad’s always seem to know best, don’t they.

[@TheBathrobeWizard]

Same. Rip dad. You great khan you

[@Shadowkey392]

"Khan, how do I know you'll keep your word?" "Oh, I've given you no word to keep, Admiral. In my judgement, you simply have no alternative."

[@geoffwilliams4478]

"I see your point. Standby to receive our transmission."

[@djdemondude6593]

@@geoffwilliams4478 Now Mr. Spock.. Spock enters the combination and then cut to the first officer for Khan: Our shields are dropping. Khan with the most surprised look says, Raise Them!! What a great great scene.

[@azraelangelofred]

Ricardo Montalban did not play Khan. He freakin' MADE Kahn and no matter what great (or horrible) actor you try to replace him with or how great (or awful) a script you give for him to be in, it will never be the same. RIP Mr. Montalban, you were underrated and amazing.

[@Darkphoenix007A]

***** You BETTA PREACH!!!!!!

[@OverlordZephyros]

***** thats your fanboyism talking, any actor can be replaced by another better... nobody is infallible

[@matthewmauran9453]

***** AMEN!

[@azraelangelofred]

Lord Zephyros Blow me.

[@OverlordZephyros]

***** oh an insult ... nice. id slap you, but that would be animal abuse

[@danielhaire6677]

No body could deliver a line with as much threat, rage, and sheer class combined as Khan. Probably one of the greatest villains in SciFi history.

[@pwnmeisterage]

Khan wasn't turned into a brooding double-turncoat emo like Vader was. Not even JJ could wreck the character.

[@Jurgen123445]

@@pwnmeisterage LOL, JJ absolutely did wreck that character like everything else he touches.

[@TheIndianaGeoff]

That is what made Ricardo Montalbán so good in his Fantasy Island role. He would talk to you with a smile, giving you what should be great news meanwhile you got chills when he said it from the threat in the delivery. He would have been a great Bond Villain.

[@Laeadern]

Despite being from 1983 this movie still absolutely stands up in the visuals. Ive always loved how star trek phasers look impacting a hull.

[@Wonderboywonderings]

TNG phasers, otoh, look fake.

[@seanbyers6916]

This movie was from 1982!

[@Laeadern]

@@seanbyers6916 You are correct sir...i should have been more careful when typing.

[@davidhazel5854]

There was a sweet spot with visual effects, when they started to look realistic, but before everyone went CGI-crazy. During that period, good storytelling and acting were still the essential ingredients of a good movie. Nowadays, CGI is often used as an alternative to a good, coherent story. If this film were remade now, it almost certainly wouldn't be anywhere near as good.

[@Wonderboywonderings]

@@davidhazel5854 yes! And, your thought experiment is verified since they did make it again--and it's not nearly as good.

[@83Roboto]

Arguably the best Star Trek film. This scene is one of it's best moments.

[@hot2warm]

Arguably? It's clearly the best. In fact, without it, there probably would be no others, as ST:TMP was a big disappointment, and they really needed this film to succeed in both box office receipts and with fan and wider audience interest.

[@michaelsullivan339]

It's not even remotely arguable. This isn't just clearly the best Star Trek film, it's arguably the best sci fi film of all time.

[@travisbashore]

its best* Possessive vs contraction. Look it up.

[@scotthayden5388]

RIP Ricardo Montalban, DeForest Kelley, and Leonard Nimoy :(

[@Andy-go3go]

Don't forget James Doohan

[@MrDavidh4]

And Gene Rodenberry, himself!

[@marileestetson737]

. . . composer James Horner and producer Harve Bennett.

[@ForceMaximus84]

Also, Bibi Besch, Merritt Butrick and Paul Winfield.

[@chrismc410]

@@marileestetson737 RIP to Jerry Goldsmith too. Can't forget Jane Wyatt, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, Mark Lenard, John Coclios, William Campbell, Michael Ansara, Grace Lee Whitney, Paul Winfield, Brock Peters, Roger C. Carmel, Persis Khambatta, Arlene Martel, Madlyn Rhue, and Barry Jenner

[@tomy.1846]

Makes me think of a sick day from school when I was in the 7th grade way back in 1984. I had the house to myself and this was on HBO around 10am. I wasn't that sick and enjoyed this movie thoroughly! Some good times back in the 80s!

[@sitdowndogbreath]

You should have snuck a girlfriend over and play doctor with her you have one hell of a story to tell

[@daveyboy_]

small memories are the best . One of mine was in 84 or 85 the school lost power , heading home , brand new on the shelf was Police Academy. Me and my buddy laughed our asses off

[@robertmorris8997]

slacker

[@mattrodgers4878]

Your story and mine are VERY similar. I was 10 years old at the time, home sick, but healthy enough to watch this movie. I had always watched the the original series on TV, but this was my first exposure to the movies. I’ve been hooked ever since.

[@theessentials450]

DId that many times. Too sick for school, but NOT HBO movies!

[@A65Driver]

i remember watching this in the theater in the early 80s, and the audience was literally on its feet shouting and cheering during this scene.. James Horner's score, like that of the original Star Wars, made this movie come alive..

[@SGTBizarro]

A great depiction of Kirk's edge being dulled by sitting in an office for so many years. As soon as Spock said "Their shields are going up", Kirk should've seen what was coming and raised the Enterprise's shields. That small moment of indecision cost his crew a lot.

[@Foxhound3857]

His experience with three-dimensional combat made up for it in spades later though.

[@hairyrichardson8921]

should have acted when Saavik mentioned regulations

[@hairyrichardson8921]

of course then the movie would have been much duller ;-)

[@deadponic117]

i mean in his defense, he did order yellow alert, and the defense fields did go up in some capacity which prevented the ship from being completely annihilated.

[@80s_Boombox_Collector]

@@deadponic117 What's the difference between "defense fields" and shields? If the word defense is used, it implies full shields. Doesn't make sense.

[@innerspirit3373]

Ricardo Montalban is amazing... And made this one of my favorite Star Trek movies ever... Epic!

[@luissandoval6509]

"Don't insult my intelligence, Kirk". Badass line and Ricardo's performance.

[@aarondashiell3488]

I remember watching this with my mom as a kid dreaming of the future. I just want to go back to the past at this point

[@mikeleo1]

I think everyone wants to do that.

[@Dorpmuller]

Amen to that!

[@michaelwharton3447]

No matter how many times i see this film, when spock calls kirk his friend, just before he passes away saving the enterprise always gets me, pure emotion, 😢

[@emperorjames794]

This is still my favorite Star Trek movie. Everything about it embodies an excellent drama. Even though I've seen this movie too many times to count, this scene still had me on the edge of my seat. I remember seeing this with my father in theaters when I was just a young pup.

[@clone1eighty7]

I can watch this in my head I dont need a screen

[@craigmanning2439]

This was at the local dollar movie house when I was in the 8th grade. Rode my bike to go see it with my best friend. We watched it 20+ times over the summer of 82.

[@georgemartin4963]

My only criticism is that Kahn usurped a Dakota to saying for a Klingon one.

[@chitterlingsrtasty]

Emperor James agreed!

[@kieranlindsay1220]

great film

[@toddwalker4301]

That head on close up of Reliant is stunning! These models were so well photographed by ILM in this film.

[@hamhockbeans]

Those models had extreme detail. From every litte window to the bridge. So when they zoomed in and out it looked real.

[@Valen-xu2wy]

Now they are clouded in "Shadows and Dust", by that idiot JJ. So sad. The art is gone. No more beauty passes. Just confusion until you realise you wasted your money.

[@lonniecraig5186]

The scene from 4:09 to 4:19, with the music as the Reliant is circling around, just leaves chills in me. Truly this fight is a classic submarine vs. submarine battle in space. Such an awesome scene in an awesome movie.

[@yellofury]

that and inside the nebula where it shows the the ships passing over each other in between the flashes on light

[@johno1544]

Music was so good in this scene

[@frederickburke9944]

38 years and I never get tired of this scene. The best part is the way the music comes in when Spock says "Reliant?"

[@rleague685]

The music is perfectly brilliant

[@Tiberius291]

Ricardo Montalban gave a yeoman's performance as Khan. Excellent actor.

[@ace942]

Vivian Pough yes he was excellent in both dramatic roles as well as comedic roles.

[@MrDavidh4]

He should've been nominated an Oscar for his role. Then again, he STILL might've been beaten out by Ben Kingsley for his role in "Gandhi", that came out the exact same year (1982).

[@gutez]

Montalbano's performance was so good that I was surprised he never received a Supporting Actor nomination the following year, at least a Golden Globe.

[@ForceMaximus84]

Best thing about it is that he never acted with Shatner. All of Kirk’s lines were fed to Montalban by a script girl, and he STILL turned in a fantastic performance!

[@losangelesrams3472]

He was fantastic in this role. Great actor and an L.A. Rams' fan to boot!

[@aaronbays4]

Love the score in this scene. "And its very cold in space . . . ." Cuts to a shot outside of the ship in space, the horns and strings shriek so violently, makes the hairs on your arms stand up and gives you the chills.

[@UXSpecialist]

Well put. On a long journey away from home, as a young man, I had space for only 1 movie on my device to keep me company. I chose this….

[@martinjp1]

8:13 "In my judgement you simply have no alternative" said with such charisma!

[@Greatermaxim]

And Khan is wearing one glove like Rinoa in FFVIII. That is the sound of one hand clapping.

[@akgunkel]

Unquestionably the best of the Star Trek films. This is the film that introduced the Kobayashi Maru scenario and this scene shows us Kirk's character and why he was given special commendation for cheating on the test: James T. Kirk never gives up. Here he is totally beaten in a surprise attack, forced to beg for mercy, but he's still fighting, still leading his crew, still trying to win. And then he does win and Khan is forced to retreat. When later Kirk says to Savok "I don't believe in the no-win scenario" the audience knows it's true, because we've seen it.

[@AmericanThunder]

The best star trek movie of all. Epic.

[@damnadat]

You got that right.

[@blazer666del]

Hell Yeah..

[@Thatslifebro_]

Second best beeing either "First Contact" or "The undiscovered Country" in my opinion.

[@shaqm0bile]

first contact is best imo. though i think we can all agree that its a real bummer that so many of the star trek movies were pretty garbage. sigh.

[@Thatslifebro_]

shaq mobile Jup. Mainly the next genearations movie besides First contact were all pretty much garbage. i like them anyway but they are not very good movies. TOS had it better in my opinion.

[@RobertTC009]

A big part of why that sequence works is James Horner's great music. It really builds the suspense and excitement: "Time's up Admiral!" "Here it comes." Looove it.

[@MrDavidh4]

RIP James Horner.

[@markfrancis6508]

RobertTC009 very true.

[@anonone2175]

"Get ready to receive our transmission" 😏, my favourite star trek movie by far!

[@artloverivy]

Now Mr. Spock 🖖🏼

[@wayneyoung2216]

Got that right, James Horners music made these films,oh and aliens aswell

[@carlhenryjr]

Masterclass in film making right here. Every part is expertly done- flawless. Even the special effects hold up to this day. Modern day Trek directors need to re-watch it (or watch it for the first time) and take notes...

[@djdemondude6593]

I still watch this in amazement to this day. I can recite this scene word for word before the words are spoken. This was perfect and the Score of this scene is also phenomenal. The music really builds the tension during Khan's attack. I have watched this many many times and I love it.

[@MegaZeta]

The editing is masterful. _"...it is very cold...in space."_ And smash cut to the two ships powering towards each other, Khan's motif roaring. And cut to Kirk, beginning, too slowly, to realize something's amiss, as his own motif, the movie's theme, rises in the score in response.

[@mrspidey80]

0:37 when Reliant comes right at the screen with that furious music playing...absolute perfection!

[@ulphil08]

+mrspidey80 I have that music as a ring tone.

[@RobertTC009]

I love it when Kirk tells Khan, "Here it comes." The ultimate wink and a nod FU.

[@randolphtolbert3825]

RobertTC009 as Kirk adjusts his reading glasses😂

[@rbrtck]

Delivered with a deadpan voice and poker-face.

[@Moose6340]

Y'know, the chaos in Engineering after the Reliant's first phaser hits on the Enterprise, the airtight bulkheads slowly closing, the engineering crew and Scotty donning respirators...it's among the most "naval-feeling" scenes in ST history. It's the engine-room crew of a World War II cruiser that's just taken a torpedo hit and is sealing off watertight doors to prevent flooding and struggling to keep up steam and electrical power and keep the ship afloat and fighting, while the men frantically scramble not to get caught on the wrong side of those doors lest they die. ST's very rarely gritty and realistic but that scene is about as close as they ever got.

[@deaddropsd1972]

So true. Big budget. I think we all know television has to keep it simple and makes space less dangerous. Have you watch the television show “the expanse”? I really like their depiction of how dangerous it can be in space

[@ryanarment5393]

The fact that it was Spock who shut down Saavik when she was quoting the regs is mind-blowing.

[@mikegallant811]

I can understand why lieutenant Saavik tell Jim to turn on the shields

[@andreasu.3546]

@@mikegallant811 The captain is well aware, now, of why he should have raised the shields.

[@blazer666del]

Be FAR and STILL the best Trek film to day, why the hell can't they get it right now???? RIP James Horner - Should of got an Oscar for this score.....

[@Greatermaxim]

Did he like hot dogs?

[@dizdozpurpleproductions]

One of the finest film sequences of all time, a combination of an incredible music score and performances from all contribute to an amazing performance. The line "Here it comes" is delivered with chilling understatement...

[@gkroll8467]

great line thanks for the reminder you watch it again and you appreciate it more with all this other crap the remakes of star trek star wars going down the toilet the original cast wil always be great

[@PP-nl8ue]

Absolutely. The interesting thing about that line, according to Nicholas Meyer, is that Shatner kept doing take after take telegraphing the line like "Here it COMMMMMMES!" until he finally got bored with it and just said it in a matter-of-fact way.

[@gkroll8467]

amazing a guy like meyer who wasnt even a fan of star trek could pull off such an excellent film@@PP-nl8ue

[@gkroll8467]

excellent film easily the best with the first crew@Galen Joyce

[@soundtracks94]

@@gkroll8467 That may explain why this movie played so well for people who don't even like Star Trek. Every time I run into someone that makes fun of the franchise but willing to give it a shot, I show them Wrath of Khan, and they immediately want to see the story continue with ST3.

[@digijock223]

Ricardo Montalban was a far better actor than I ever gave him credit for at the time. I appreciate him so much more now.

[@minimalistwriter401]

My favorite sequence of any Star Trek production. The special effects were not as good as Star Wars at the time, but the intellectual battle, the exact detail that allowed the Enterprise to escape, and the subtleties of character make this sequence just epic. I loved it as a kid, and I still love it today. And the music - it could not have been better.

[@sauron158]

James Horner's score to the scene elevated it to classic status for sure.

[@gertrudemcfuzz74]

"From Hell's Heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"

[@elcap22]

Moby Dick.

[@juangarza7193]

Fire 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂💪💪💪💪💪😈💭.......

[@christopherpackham732]

What I loved is how it showed that raw intelligence isn't a substitute for training and experience. Khan knows what he should be doing at the strategic level, but he has no real clue how Reliant really works. An new, but experienced captain might have changed the prefix codes, and known how to override the console to get Reliant under control. Khan didn't even realise that it was possible to using the computer to take over another Starfleet computer. He didn't realise that every second he gave Kirk was one more second for Kirk to get Enterprise to do things still beyond the obvious weapons/running, and every second was a second that Scotty could use for damage control. If Khan had more experience, he would have realised just what a dedicated Starfleet engineering team could do. In contrast, once they get their heads back in the game, Kirk, Spock and Sulu quickly understand what the plan is and how to execute it.

[@n.w.1803]

That, and by luxuriating in his opportunity to gloat, and by getting greedy and allowing his mission of vengeance to creep into demanding the Genesis project files, he opened up the communications channels and allowed Kirk & Spock to use the prefix code ploy in the first place... ..if Kirk hadn't baited him into receiving the transmission ("No unencrypted transmissions over an open frequency!"), they wouldn't have been able to access Reliant's computer, presumably.

[@williamburroughs2273]

This whole scene is so perfect. The acting, the story, the effects, the brilliant score from James Horner.

[@jeepanco880]

Hitchcock like tension took it from good to great to Epic! Stakes are high, options limited and the suspense builds minute by minute.. Great writing and acting... No need for over the top chase scenes or fights... The battle is in the mind and this is a masterclass in how to do it!

[@hippiechick19]

I cannot watch this enough. This movie rocked!

[@Kujakuseki01]

Might be the best 10 minutes in Science Fiction film history.

[@bone81able]

deffo

[@blazer666del]

Best dam Science Fiction Film Period... !

[@mayamanign]

Kujakuseki01 I'd agree and up it to one of the best things filmed in the history of the universe. When Kahn barks "FIRE", The rage, goose bumps.

[@reginaldstyles3129]

U are absolutely Correct💙😇😁😀

[@colinmontgomery1956]

Everything here is perfect. The performances, the dialogue, James Horner's absolutely brilliant score, etc. But, what I think really makes this, is the editing. The cutting is flawless. The seamless transitions, they perfectly highten the tension. Couple that with Horner's perfect score, and you have a damn near perfect scene. I especially like the shift in tone as Reliant's phasers start to slice open Enterprise's hull. Like her arteries are being opened. You can feel her bleeding.

[@Captain-Cosmo]

What a wonderful film. I saw an unfinished work print of it several months before it was released. Expectations were not high, given the mixed reception of the first film and the fact that this picture was on a lower budget. It had a temporary soundtrack, the viewscreens were all blue (or green, I can't recall exactly), it had a temporary soundtrack (Brainstorm, some Prokofiev, and even some Superman cues, if my memory is correct), and many special effects scenes simply had storyboard art in its place. At the time, the ending had not quite been worked out. At the point where Kirk tells Scottie that they've got two minutes before Geneisis blows (or whatever), the screen went blank. Only a few people were in attendance at the small screening room and all were blown away; we knew it was going to be a big hit. You can imagine, however, the anticipation of being teased with its incompletion and 15 minutes of its ending completely absent! The picture played alongside Rocky III and Firefox in the early part of what ended up being a fanstastic summer at the movies. It thrilled audiences who came back to see it multiple times and became one of the highest regarded films of the franchise. I still get chills seeing this scene.

[@rex-racer]

What a great comment/commentary, packed with insight. “Fascinating,” as Spock would say.

[@si604]

B E S T villain ever.... legendary Montalban performance.

[@michaell.8938]

One of the best space battles ever put to film.

[@franzhaas5597]

I WAS 15 YEARS OLD WHEN THIS CAME OUT. I DREW THE ENTERPRISE ALL WEEK AFTER SEEING THIS MOVIE. THIS AND ST3 ARE AWESOME.

[@ThomasHoward-yj3te]

I was born in 1999 I will always love this version of khan better. Old star trek just had the best stories and great acting by actors.

[@roberthaworth8991]

Best of the Trek movies. The great, suave, foreign (and thus, to Americans, innately sinister) actor Ricardo Montalban chews up the scenery as 20th-Century megalomaniac Khan Noonien Singh. Seeing he and Shatner together on-screen is a real treat.

[@Ragitsu]

Oh look: another xenophobe emboldened by a shitty presidential administration.

[@DefCon1966]

+Ragitsu Oh look, another brainwashed libtard that slanders people with namecalling bacause they don't agree with them (and yes I called you a name and it's deserved judging from your comment). So what BS name will you call me eh....xenophobe, racist, sexist, bigot, all of the above? That crap isn't working like it once did on people and it will never work on me no matter who is in the White House so go fuck yourself.

[@geoffhoppe2878]

When I think of Geoffrey Rush or Gerard Depardieu, my mind doesn't exactly go to "sinister" as the first adjective...

[@DrJReefer]

@@DefCon1966 Decries name calling. Opens with "libtard" Self awareness isn't the strong suit if easily triggered racists is it?

[@DefCon1966]

Turnabout is fair play so take your sanctimonious blather to someone who gives a damn snowflake or crawl into whatever hole you call a safe space.

[@whiteknightcat]

And just before he appeared on the viewer, Khan exhorted his crew, "Smiles, everyone, smiles!"

[@chickensandwich77]

thanks... I just sprayed beverage all over my keyboard...

[@emmanuelwilliams2323]

whiteknightcat Freakazoid!

[@nickmitsialis]

Laugh with me, laugh with me!

[@nickmitsialis]

Ah-ha! Another Freakazoid Fan!

[@rabbitbully1810]

Absolutely the best 10 minutes in Star Trek history....

[@roughrider1568]

The scariest part is, I read that Ricardo M. was NOT wearing a muscle suit. That was his real physique.

[@feelx92ger]

Aye, it was. Funny think is,Tarantino wanted him as Bill, but he denied (afaik due to health reasons) before that. I'd have loved to see our ultimate villain as Bill there. Btw pls keep Quentin away from Trek, it just is not his world. ;)

[@Greatermaxim]

Even nerds can be macho men.

[@jameshaynes7062]

Ricardo Montalban did 1,000 pushups a day for most of his adult life.

[@paulgerber6723]

He was one good looking dude. He was already old when fantasy island was on. Tho old 60's stuff is what you want to watch

[@Greatermaxim]

@@jameshaynes7062 Maggie and I make 1000 Chess moves a day.

[@jpowell180]

Quite possibly the greatest moment in all of Trek.....

[@kataisa3]

I love the part where Kirk curses about having to put his granny glasses on so he can see the codes, LOL.

[@stanleybroniszewsky8538]

There's Star Wars, then there's Star Trek. There's just something about Star Trek that clearly overpowers anything Star Wars can throw.

[@hughkingsley8631]

Agreed. Had a hard time getting into Star Wars but Star Trek kept my interest.

[@RNemy509]

To this day, the score for this movie still gives me chills! A true masterpiece of a film with an epic score

[@stokemoran]

To watch this in theatre in '82 was amazing. If all you had seen before then was just the original tv series, we never saw the Enterprise get its ass handed to her like this before.

[@AndrewWav]

What we kept waiting for in the first movie.

[@wincrasher2007]

it was magical. I went 3 times.

[@moso299]

We saw the first showing, opening night. All of the cast members and Ricardo Montalban were applauded during the credits, and the roars and applause when the Enterprise opened fire rivaled the audience enthusiasm in the original Star Wars.

[@jseeker1867]

Despite it's slow tempo, this is one of the tensest moments in all of Star Trek.

[@Helbore]

Everything about this is perfect writing. Its not just the combat, but the idea that Kirk in his prime wouldn't have been caught out by this. Kirk is old. The Enterprise is old. The crew is inexperienced. This isn't the ship that we saw during TOS. They took the risky route of moving things on and showing the crew in a different time of their lives. They made the good guys weak and the bad guys smart. Then they gave the good guys an escape that made sense and one that the bad guys couldn't be able to predict. This film is rightly considered a sci-fi classic. Its not just the action. Every scene in this film has a narrative purpose. Nothing is superfluous. It only more films were made like this today.

[@LordGreystoke]

jseeker1867 The tempo is not slow. It's called build-up. It's what creates tension.

[@chadlpnemt]

***** Technically, there was a federation on federation ship attack if you go back to the M5 episode.

[@4keysman]

chadlpnemt Yes, that was the episode "The Ultimate Computer".

[@mj6258]

One of the greatest movies ever made , sci-fi or otherwise.

[@ScyllaWyrm]

Almost ten minutes of goosebumps, from the acting to the twists and Horner's superb score. This bit sums up what makes Star Trek's space battles so fun.

[@BuceGar]

GOD DAMN! One of the best space battles ever put to film.

[@raven4k998]

they are raising shields they are locking weapons

[@djdemondude6593]

I've deprived your ship of power and when I swing around I mean to deprive you of your life.

[@22steve5150]

The music really makes this scene.

[@Cloncurrify]

One of the cinematic best 10 minutes in the history of Trek...

[@kirkhenry3867]

This scene is an all time favorite. Excellent actors. Compelling storyline. Building up of tension. Amazing music perfectly captures the mood or feel of the scene.

[@PeterDavid7KQ201]

The sheer ecstasy on Khan's face when he screams "FIIIIRE!!!"....

[@nickmitsialis]

Closer to demented rage, I would say.

[@ryanarchuleta6231]

I was a major Star Wars fanboy, but I've been getting into Star Trek for the past few weeks. Bought the bluray of Wrath of Khan earlier this week. Really liked it.

[@liteney]

Khan shot first!!!

[@Plasmon19]

Next Gen is what turned me, I still like star wars because of the mythos but star trek has far superior dialogue and a more cohesive story arc that doesn't revolve around a space wizard family affair.

[@nicoelle01]

Ordering Reliant to lower her shields using Enterprise's console - this scene actually foreshadowed the Internet of Things!

[@johnmckenna5782]

I love this scene. No matter what anyone says about these ships you can see that they serve double-duty as WARSHIPS. Both ships have a great deal of toughness and firepower.

[@TechBrosGamingChannel]

WRATH OF KHAN IS THE BEST STAR TREK MOVIE EVER MADE

[@falafeldurum2095]

RIGHT but why is it in 4:3 here? I remember it in widescreen

[@KiCreativeStudioJP]

I'll say the unpopular opinion that Wrath of Khan is NOT necessarily the best Star Trek movie ever made. But it is THE most EXCITING Star Trek movie ever made.

[@falafeldurum2095]

​@@KiCreativeStudioJP I also like FIrst Contact very much... Let's say The Wrath of Khan is *one of the best* Star Trek movies ever made

[@Quatloo2007]

It was so good that it took 2 more movies to take care of the results of it (death/resurrection of Spock, returning to Earth to face the consequences of stealing the Enterprise).

[@roman14032]

i remember the feeling in the theater when the enterprise started firing it was a feeling of elation it was like everybody knew the franchise was back BIGTIME THIS WAS STAR TREK THE WAY IT SHOULD BE

[@Spacegoat92]

I wish i was old enough to see and appreciate these films in the cinema. I feel i really missed the Golden Age of movies. Especially with the crap that's coming out now...

[@terrimichaels3018]

Forever Star Trek

[@perfectionbox]

sadly it led us down the pew pew slope and away from exploration and meeting new life forms

[@MegaZeta]

@@perfectionbox Nearly every single episode of the original '60s TV show had a gunfight, a fistfight or a starship battle. _The Motion Picture_ was a departure, if one I appreciate. _Wrath of Khan's_ mix of sci-fi, action, horror and humor was a return to form. It's in part because the writer-director was new to the show and sat down to watch it with fresh eyes. Without pop culture blinders, he saw it for what it was.

[@paulcavigliano6388]

Yup👍 Discovery gargles donkey balls compared to this.

[@351cleavland]

"Time is a luxury you don't have unlike Rich Corinthian Leather, which is very luxurious."

[@FlyinZX10R]

I’m proud to say I saw this in the theater. My aunt was a sci fi junkie who took us to see all the big ones, including Star Wars.