ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER Reacts: Rory & Mal Response | Apology | Olivia Dope Allegations (Podcast, Ep.3)

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Are you missing Rory and Mal from the JBP, or do you like the new co-hosts? In case you missed it, here is the last video we did on the JBP on-air firing of Rory and Mal: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6fdqKCHaL-jbZY

[@mattymassacre4398]

I'm gonna follow Rory and Mal wherever they go online now

[@datGApeach4ya]

Definitely tuning in to Rory and mal. I lost interest in JBP when he publicly disrespected his friends/co-hosts. Shows a lot about his character that I don’t care to support

[@phelelanikhuluse8840]

I stopped watching completely.....am about to subcribe to you and unsubscribe to Joe

[@chucklesoakley]

Stopped watching don't respect that shit

[@nr126]

Demands for audit request?. Ohh she a lawyer alright.

[@mattymassacre4398]

This is wild to me. I would have hoped he wouldn't do something this shady to his friends. They were an amazing team

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Sad turn of events, but seemed to be going south for some time.

[@GeneticWorks]

joe is a master manipulator and you guys are letting him fool you lmao, Joe has always been like this if you have followed the podcast for over 5 years and his career for over 15. Everything is documented. He burns all his bridges and then plays the biggest victim. Myself and a few people stopped watching, can't support someone like that

[@TopMusicAttorney]

It's a strange way to do business. But you can't deny the man has succeeded. I hope things work out for all involved!

[@steveng1359]

Joe is wild, and you shouldn't treat friends the way he did

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Crazy situation, for sure

[@ShaniceXO26]

I only listened to that podcast for Mal & Rory and since they left I’m over it

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Fair enough, they are very interesting to listen to for sure!

[@Shadowserpant00]

If Rory and Mal left the show, or were respectfully let go, I would still be watching. Ice and Ish are entertaining, the chemistry is good. But after what happened, I can't listen to Joe Budden say another word in good conscience.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Understandable!

[@Krem_82]

Understandable. But I enjoy the show much more w Ice and Ish personally. I’ve been a fan since episode 1 so I can’t let the show pass me by. ESP w ice and parks putting me onto so much music and other info

[@s.holmes613]

That’s how I feel. I can’t watch it. I tried to watch when they came back but as soon as Joe said he doesn’t owe his friends respect, I turned it off.

[@Shadowserpant00]

@@Krem_82 I don't blame you, it's my loss. I want to listen too :/

[@stephencox8723]

​@@s.holmes613joe is a very talented lyricist he looks at words differently. he'd regularly pull out a dictionary on everyday struggle to define words to ensure they were using them properly. he'd hair split sauntering and meandering. you should be give your friends respect. that's what a good friend does. but no one's in debt so what is there to be owed? bad friends exist joe knows that too well. rory knows this about joe, though. watch the tax stone interview.

[@TheInfamous730]

Rory and Mal are already making moves announcing their own Podcast

[@chrispbacon1167]

I remember the jbp would make me feel like I was in the room with them, now it just feels like any other podcast smh I don’t even finish the episodes anymore. The convos don’t flow the same way it’s basically Joe just carrying the show while ice and ish give input time from time..

[@Alexa-mj9gq]

Funny, that's the exact feeling I had watching Rory and Mal the last +2 years

[@chrispbacon1167]

@@Alexa-mj9gq maybe the last year I agree with that

[@chrispbacon1167]

@Customer Service true but there’s was like a consent flow of engagement between them.. now it’s just topic, opinion, repeat.. Joe tryna recreate that same energy but parks isn’t even adding his sarcastic 2 cents the same anymore

[@steveng1359]

I’m not a lawyer but this seemed to be the simplest thing to me. Rory and Mal have a lot of haters due to Joe’s fans and DJ Akademiks fans. Finally getting the info out there is very important. Rory and Mal deserved better

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Things are pretty heated still, for sure. Appreciate you watching

[@jennifergee138]

I know I'll miss Rory and Mal on that show. Probably won't watch JBP any more. Thanks so much for this update!!

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Rory and Mal have bright futures, for sure

[@montierejohnson3917]

Agreed I won’t be watching anymore either, I’m not watching any shows on his network period, he isn’t moving appropriately as a honest man. I can’t with the blatant Lies and trying to paint a false narrative for us to digest.

[@redfitted]

Same here sadly. I’ve been a fan since the SoundCloud days and even attended a couple live shows. Just can’t get behind the brand anymore.

[@montierejohnson3917]

@@redfitted agreed especially when Joe has turned into garbage

[@chrispbacon1167]

I completely feel the same way right now I can’t even finish episodes anymore.. even tho ice and ish have chemistry with Joe it feels like a podcast now as before it felt like friends kicking back talking and having laughs

[@AiringThoughts]

you guys are doing a great job. More videos on contracts please. Love this

[@NoHandlzz]

Have you seen the two clips circulating around? One where Joe says (speaking to entrepreneurs) “lesson number one: fudge the expensesssss. Throw all kinds of shit in there.” And the other one (almost 2 years ago) where Rory is taking about Dusse Palooza, his other business venture, and after Joe jokes about how much his partners are making, Rory says something along the lines of “atleast we have accounting.” The JBP universe is more captivating than the MCU, truly.

[@myheadhurtbro6692]

Yeah this has been going on for years. You guys are just new. Lmao but yeah they have been feeling this way for years so at this point it’s they fault for not leaving long ago...

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I need to find those links! Yes very interesting for sure!

[@humblebragger500]

@@myheadhurtbro6692 nahh it actually worked in their favor now they have leverage for other deals. Plus they will get every penny back once the courts get involved

[@thomashester2]

This is a great breakdown especially from a lawyer perspective Gonna subscribe, great addition like LegalEagle

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Thank you so much, very appreciated!!

[@Wavy_Potts]

From what Joe said.. He COULDNT show them bc he had some kind of non disclosure.. it's weird. It sounds like JOE had a spotify deal, Rory and Mal just had one with Joe and the JBP

[@HonestVideoComments]

I’m definitely not watching the JBP anymore. Rory and Mal were so good for the show. I’ll follow them wherever they go.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

They were definitely a great team! It will be interesting to see where they end up next! Thanks for watching :)

[@Jfarrellvideo]

Ya gotta get money straight right off the jump joe should understand everyone gotta eat cash app should of took care of all of it

[@stephencox8723]

you think their podcast will be more entertaining? joe's simply more interesting than them both. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWqvaYyQd9mfo68 watch starting at 1:21:00. only joe can provide moments like these. if you give him addy, he can give you a views rant. Rory would have to resume the title Irish McNasty and go heavy on the ADD drugs to keep up. did you think joe was a weaker part of the podcast? what's unique about them in your eyes for them to have gained that level of support? I could understand being interested in what they're gonna do, but follow therm wherever? loyalty like that is generally earned by offering something no else is currently. i have no idea how many people feel similarly to you they might have a cult following. what am i missing about them? i see them as very solid but not unique. am i just overthinking and you don't mean it in a "cult following" type of way?

[@christianmosqueira1985]

That was interesting 👍 great job ❤️😀

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Thank you so much!

[@MissKrystlelive]

🙌🏼

[@blind87us]

Great video miss krystle gladd you did part 2, shout out to rory and mal, salute

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Thank you for checking out the update! Glad you're here :)

[@andrewthomas8888]

Great Video and Podcast Beautiful Attorney Krystle!!! I cant wait for more episodes!!

[@lungelobaba9942]

Moment he brought the therapist on for his clean up I knew was my last episode of it

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I'm glad he's speaking with someone! But yes, fair enough!

[@flyinglow7218]

@@TopMusicAttorney what if i told you he's been in therapy for a long time thanks for ur insight on this

[@bjcbjc6133]

New rory and mal KZbin channel just released a skit, it was per comedy I sub'd to them

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Will need to check that out!

[@YngBanks]

I loved the JBP but I can’t support Joe. I won’t watch his Podcast. I used to watch it because of the chemistry between friends, I can’t support someone who would treat there friends that way.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Their chemistry was so great. Wishing them luck as they all part ways.

[@Skibone21]

I think a lot of the problem is the way Joe sees his deal with Patreon. I can't remember if he stated Cash App was the same way but he keeps saying the Patreon deal is with Joe. While that may be true, could it be argued that the deal with Patreon for JOE is largely due to the JBP? If so, does that mean that he would have to share compensation for such a deal? Would there need to be anything specific in the contract regarding the JBP? It seems to me like he doesn't get a Patreon deal without them. Joe also said something very telling in one episode I believe before all this started or maybe it was just after they came back. He was talking about never having an office job. That to me has been his biggest problem in doing business. He doesn't realize that asking to see your compensation broken down (no matter how you get it) is normal. People on commission ask for this all the time, people ask about their pay stubs, etc.

[@kevinhill9357]

I'm glad you addressed Joe s action and view on the matter and Rory is right along with Mal

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I appreciate you watching!

[@149nickjones]

Also Joe has said...he gives them the numbers...they want to know how the numbers are the numbers ie they want an Audit...Joe has said well if you want an Audit then do one...and Mal is like no. Well they’re at an impasse...It sounds like Joe is going to end up doing one just for them to get some closure though based on recent comments. The other thing in regards to the Spotify money and what makes it tricky to talk about and what makes the whole profit thing tricky is...we don’t know the contract...it sounds as if the contract could’ve been in part a contract signing Joe as a separate entity from the Podcast...it’s almost like Nelly getting signed to the label and them kind of agreeing to a separate deal to bring the Lunatics along because they wanted the star. So maybe all the money wasn’t technically profit for the Podcast but profit for Joe or even profit for the JBN because we can assume at some point on the re-up with Spotify Joe was likely trying to do a Network deal similar to Bill Simmons.

[@kmdaye04]

Smh Joe was a poor leader and let the money control his morals.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I appreciate you checking out the video, please subscribe! See you on the next one :)

[@kmdaye04]

@Nigel Sanford paperwork says they get to audit The podcast earnings twice a year. So paperwork has them covered too

[@saintkupo]

Seems to me Joe was shorting them both. One thing he refuses to tell them is how much money the Spotify deal was for. RED FLAG.

[@humblebragger500]

He owes them millions bruh. Trust it will all come out. Joe will be finished in the industry once this comes out

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Big issues came from this for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@lesego6144]

Love the show❤️

[@TopMusicAttorney]

💯

[@sigodsosick519]

Awesome thought out mental Excersise logical, reasonable analysis wit very minimized blind spots given the information gathered at this time, but the fallout on several aspects I.e financial, quality of the podcast, reputation, social creditability etc....is quiet sad esp if ur a day 1 listener like myself

[@RampageYI]

This is amazing!

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Thanks Corey!

[@jaygatling1977]

I like the addition of Ice and Ish to Joe Budden. Now once Rory and Mal get their show I got another pod to add to my pod rotation. Win win for me.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Absolutely. Thanks for watching!

[@jaysouthphil7505]

I love the JBP and also loving the new cast too! Btw, Rory and Mal failed to understand that Joe is the real draw to the show! They were just the cast like Ice and Ish are now!

[@TopMusicAttorney]

True, I think they were saying they just deserve what they should have gotten. I wish everyone luck as they go their separate ways :) Thanks for watching!

[@0xggbrnr]

Coolest-looking lawyers I’ve ever seen in my life.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Orko is a musician and music producer. I've been practicing law for a very long time, thank you so much! And thanks for watching :)

[@noxin3612]

Not gonna lie I don't give two shits about Rory or mal I listened to it for Joe

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I'm sure you'll love the new podcast (without R & M)

[@edwardfigueroa4436]

Watching Joe Budden without Rory and Mal is like watching car crash videos on KZbin. Eventually the novelty wears off and you move on to something that is entertaining on multiple levels.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I could see that. I just hope they all succeed in their own shows!

[@oddcouplemusic]

very informative but when are you guys dropping the next paramore album?!? 😭

[@MissKrystlelive]

Already in the works ;)

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Paramore? 😂 There will be Miss Krystle music one day soon, recording is always in the works.

[@jsg693]

Theres a clip going around from on old episode where Joe says ' always fudge the expenses' Rorys reaction to the comment makes a lot more sense in hindsight. I can see why they wanted to see the books.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

If this is true, absolutely they should have done something right away. There are a lot of lessons to learn here. Thank you for watching!

[@brich2712]

KZbin attorneys 😂😂😂

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I've been an Entertainment Attorney for a long time :)

[@justinbrown525]

This is def the Joe Budden podcast. All Rory and Mal did was show up twice a week. Joe has been putting his all in this podcast and even paying these two suckers out his own pockets when there was no deal. Not to mention joe gave rory and mal the right to use the content to build their own brand to get their own deals with spotify, youtube, cashapp etc.

[@1984hacked]

@Justin Brown all Rory and Mal we're required to do by contract was show up. Joe was required to provide quarterly accounting, and pay them the percentage. Rory and Mal were not required to take the video and work it separately from the podcast. All that other stuff is a deflection from the true issue, that Joe and AK got stuck on people's head.

[@humblebragger500]

When there was no deal nobody got paid wtf are u talking about??

[@braveheartedlion]

In this case, they were supposed to get books once a quarter.

[@KBKriminal]

Not a licensed attorney yet but I am a law student and I thought that I should point out that your cohost was incorrect when he assumed that simply because they are profit participants they have an inherent right to extensive accounting (meaning explanation of expenses or extremely detailed expenses on a micro-level) or a right to audit. That’s not necessarily true (although highly likely) if the contract does not grant a right to audit and also gives Joe as the owner of the Copyright and Trademark for the show the exclusive right to incur expenses on behalf of the show without the approval of the cohosts that are also deductible against gross revenue (also very likely in this case) then I understand what Joe is trying to express from his point of view. It’s likely that if brought to court a judge would require disclosure of expenses and gross revenue to resolve a dispute involving profits but if the contract does not state they have a right to audit then they do not and absent fraud and assuming Joe had exclusive right to incur expenses for the show then any accounting that reasonably shows expenses and revenue and is presented to the cohosts would fulfill his contractual obligations. Just feel like this point was never made in the video

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Hello Mr. law student. When do you graduate? Thanks for the comment. Taking Rory and Mal's statements as true, they have a standard auditing right, which contractually entitles them to see all expenses/revenue related to the show. However, the important preface at the beginning of this episode was that no one has actually released the contract, so all we know is what each side is saying. What Joe has NOT said, is that the accounting provision had any restrictions. Restrictions of any kind would be very unusual, but to your point, the contract controls, so whatever the parties agreed to, is what they have to abide by.

[@Minisam881]

These Joevengers are scary they gone defend this man until the end . It’s scary how they believe everything he says and it’s sad .

[@KBKriminal]

@@TopMusicAttorney I just finished my second year in early May. I'll be graduating next year if all goes accordingly! I agree that restrictions are unusual but that does not entirely rule out their possibility of existence and that was my only point. Your cohost made statements to lead the viewers to believe that simply because there is a profit sharing agreement it meant that Rory and Mal must have the right to audit or extensive accounting without any restrictions whatsoever. Which as you stated above the contract would control one way or another but the existence of a profit sharing agreement does not inherently grant them the right to audit or extensive accounting absent a contractual provision stating otherwise. Love your content keep getting better and don't quit!!

[@KBKriminal]

@@Minisam881 For the record I think Joe is wrong in the way this was handled. I was just providing an objective legal analysis lol

[@TheTodavia]

Joe has a history of self sabotage and burning bridges. It's his show but Rory and Mal grounded him and made him more human. And now he's ruined two successful business relationships AND friendships.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Thanks for this comment! And for watching :)

[@kmorgan_twenty4563]

Rory privilege working for him they believe everything he say

[@d_p_2162]

I hope he pays them what they're owed. For their accountants and lawyers too. That's messed up

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Time will tell! Thanks for watching!

[@CoreyAkari]

At what point was this bias or about facts that were said on both sides lol? I heard both sides say they were shown spread sheets which are common practice for accounting to send over....I’ve also heard both parties say that they just didn’t like or trust what they were given. I’ve also not heard what account sheets shld be besides a spreadsheet.

[@grippe25]

This is just Joe Budden slander. I would expect an attorney to discuss and explain what should happen under the circumstances that Joe described. He has a deal with Spotify which prohibits him from sharing the details and particulars with anyone, including his employees. Also, you don't have to be a lawyer to understand that if you get a percentage after expenses but Spotify makes a one time payment up front, the expenses haven't been paid yet and are unknown so how could he pay them immediately? These are simple questions that weren't brought up because the judgement was predetermined in this video.

[@eazymoney8494]

People don’t like how joe talks so they takes sides.

[@BaldSupes]

This smearing Joe campaign is still going strong. The assumption of truth of Rory and Mal is wild to me considering we dont know anyone.

[@mooketsimorolong1083]

LOL so you think Joe is always the victim for the situations he always gets himself in

[@kitty2.5]

Joe said they was telling the truth now what

[@TopMusicAttorney]

We were merely showing both sides, and giving our opinion as well. Thanks for watching!

[@lynnea5731]

I only listened to Rory and Mal’s response one time, but now I feel like I need the transcripts. In regards to the ownership of the podcast, I do not think they agreed that the podcast belonged to Joe. I’m leaving this comment for my own recollection- not to debate it. I’m about to nap and want to remember this thought when I come back to finish watching. 🤣🤣

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Fair enough haha Thanks for watching!

[@nathanbunyon7642]

If he’s in breach then the contract is void correct? The noncompete wouldn’t matter anymore.

[@dannyaumua106]

Stopped watching the JBP but am waiting for the Rory and Mal show. Yes its the entertainment world, but I do value the genuineness of Rory and Mal. I used to feel that way about Joe too after all his rants in support of creatives and their freedom from dodgy contracts, corrupt businesses, the man etc ....But he just did to his own 'nearest and dearest' friends what he's been fighting against on air... and thats not genuine at all. Lets go Rory and Mal!

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Rory and Mal have a great chemistry together, I'm sure they will do great things!

[@montierejohnson3917]

JOE has officially become not a real business owner but more like illegal numbers guy on a street corner, one can’t preach ownership and paying people what they are worth and then do what he did. I’m upset I watched hundreds of hours of this Buffon when he does not actually stand for anything at all. Waiting on Rory and Mal to come out with a pod, I’m on it when it happens I will follow them.

[@frankdeux9784]

Actually he’s doing what most “real” business owners do. Most of the successful business mean are conniving, sneaky and cold. Look at Steve job and Steve Wozniak. Look at how Bezos lets his workers be treated while he goes to space. And Trump…enough said. If you look into successful companies I bet 90% don’t pay workers fairly and treat them like trash, then fires them to find cheaper labor. I think everybody has heard on of these phrases in some form “you can be replaced” “if you don’t like it you can leave” “we have people waiting to be hired for your job now, it’s your choice” “if you don’t like it here you can leave”. This is capitalism.

[@montierejohnson3917]

@@frankdeux9784 a real smart business owner does not completely follow another thief’s exact plan as he preaches fairness to content creators, so no one should follow the people you mentioned but be themselves and actually stand for what you are preaching, No one likes a thief or a liar, that’s merely a great way to loose the masses that follow you for claiming transparency and good business.

[@frankdeux9784]

@@montierejohnson3917 morality and reality are different. That should be the case but isn’t. Most business owner who do that are small business and usually aren’t successful. And when they become bigger and more successful they become this. It’s the nature of people and how the system is set up. I agree what he do was terrible and I wouldn’t responded the situation in that manner. Just saying that a “real” business owner wouldn’t do that is something I don’t agree with because that is something that a lot do.

[@montierejohnson3917]

@@frankdeux9784 morality should be most of our reality, I agree to disagree most moral business owners are honest transparent and caring, let us not forget God is real, God sits high and looks low, no matter the size of my business Morals and God will be put first not last.

[@frankdeux9784]

@@montierejohnson3917 you took this too a whole other place lady. I’m good. Lol. Have a nice weekend.

[@guennieknight1576]

Between Rory and Mal and Slaughter House, I think Joe is a arse. I am done with him.

[@joeficent50tvreactions71]

Rory and Mal are not gonna make it in the podcast business. Rory and Mal were cry babies. If not for Joe none of us would have known them or they won’t have been this popular, but they tried to bite the hand that feeds them and decided to go there own way. I wish them good luck but now they have to get their boot up and do all the hard work, it was Joe who was doing all the hard work for them all this while, but now they gonna realize how hard this shit is. People were drawn to the show because of Joe not Rory and Mal; so they got known and popular because of Joe; they should be grateful to Joe for even thinking of putting them on his show. Joe is a creator and he’s successful at it. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like what Joe did to them, he was wrong for that, but those guys were trying to disrespect Joe on his own podcast that’s why Joe got rid of them. After this in a few months or a year, no one will be talking about Rory and Mal, they just lost their opportunity. They should have worked things out with Joe. We all knew how Joe is, Joe hustled his way up to were he is today. No one gave him hand outs, he is his own boss, but them guys forgot that Joe was their boss and they started acting up. I would have fired them too if I was Joe. Joe is still going to make it and find more ways to succeed in this industry, nothing can stop him.

[@humblebragger500]

So because of that they should get robbed?? If they are entitled to 15 or 20 percent. Then thats what they should get. Fuck does it matter if ur lame ass knew them or not?

[@AiringThoughts]

I've been a huge joe budden fan since 2010, musically and the podcast. However, this situation caused me to not want to watch the JBP anymore. He's been preaching about contracts for years and now to be in a contract situation where he's the head and he allowed this to happen where the show loses it's chemistry blows my mind. will still listen to his music. but not the podcast. Wish the best for all.

[@certifiedmixtapez9155]

What your take on Joe having a agreement with Spotify not to disclose his contract? What does he do as far communicating to Rory and Mal who are not apart of the agreement?

[@humblebragger500]

Thats bullshit bro. U seriously believe that nonsense? Spotify staff have already reached out to Mal and rory and told them joe is lying

[@certifiedmixtapez9155]

@@humblebragger500 lol that’s crazy you have the link?

[@zericclark2404]

I’m still going to watch Joe. I can separate the entertainment , hurt feelings, and the business BS. First the entertainment, Joes story telling is what makes the show go in my opinion. Hilarious!!!! And…….he didn’t mind being the butt of Mal and Rorys jokes. Second hurt feelings, Ice and Ish show up now they feelings are hurt. But Mal stated he didn’t care about podcasting? Honestly, I’m trying to think of Mal and Rory podcast highlights. I’ll have to do some research. Third the business, Mal and Rory have every right to see the books. I’m done 🙂

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Well sad. Thank you for watching!

[@zericclark2404]

Hey Top MA Not to bring up old stuff. But….. Question, why do you think Savon and Screen man stayed with Spotify? What did they see that Joe didn’t see? Or offered? I’ve been meaning to ask that question for weeks now. Thanks

[@roycesanders1701]

Looking over the comments you notice how she's only liking and commenting on anti joe comments 😂

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Not true, there are simply a lot to get back to. And I'm a lawyer by day, so I'll get to everyone soon. Thanks for watching :)

[@davej7500]

The key piece that everyone is missing is the fact that joe was paying them both more than they made (out of his own pocket) for a year after their Spotify deal. So there was no deal and no profit. I’d be angry too if they are asking me about my books when I’m doing you a favor for over a year. That’s ungrateful and a crappy friend. Period. That’s not a friend to me. You guys, especially the guest, should control their bias a bit. Joe did go about things the wrong way tho in going on air.

[@Alexa-mj9gq]

THANK YOU! Everybody has been taking Rory&mals lil $2 thing at face value without anything else including proof.

[@davej7500]

@@Alexa-mj9gq exactly. That’s the internet for you tho.

[@kingk6721]

Do y’all really believe that Joe was paying them out of his pocket when they had Cash Ap. I don’t believe anything Joe says. If that was the case give the accountant. So they could see what was made. When you sign a profit percentage contract if you don’t make money don’t don’t get money.

[@davej7500]

@@kingk6721 joe said it in front of them on the pod over 25 times. They never made a joke. There wasn’t any side eye, wasn’t any jokes, They actually just gave him props on it. You just want to believe your own theory instead of the facts.

[@davej7500]

@@kingk6721 secondly. They were sent the profits of the show, they didn’t like that it was an excel spreadsheet. So basically you’re accusing your man of skimming. That’s wack af to me. Them dudes would be broke nobodies if it wasn’t for joe.

[@hiidyabm]

That’s not the first time she saw him they took pictures and things for see the thing is the internet is annoying

[@blazekill2971]

This feels and sounds very biased to one side

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I played "mediator" for both sides of the situation :) Orko gave his points on his opinion. Thanks for watching!

[@ThousandairesClub]

*it got boring and disrespectful so it was time for Rory and Mal to do their own thing. together, they are interesting enough to pull interest and succeed and because of Joe, we know who they are so for THAT they should thank Joe. the JBP however is not as thrilling now. we barely know Ice and Ish and what they're about. i think Joe should join forces with the other 2 girls on his network and just have it be all 6 of them so its a spirited, rowdy debate with male and female perspectives......and the men around him can check him when hes alil too flagrant with the chickies -**____________**-*

[@TopMusicAttorney]

That could definitely be interesting with a larger group! Thanks for watching :)

[@sheribabyy_]

I’m ridin with Joe and I like ish and ice much better they actually check Joe and he listens to them

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Glad the show is doing so well! Thanks for watching!

[@tinamarie4]

If they felt he was a bad guy why work with him all this time…truth be told if it wasn’t for being on Joe’s show no one would know them….they’re doing well without him for the moment due to sympathy but will people continue to watch….I for one didn’t like them anyway….I feel the two new hosts are better

[@justinbrown525]

Orko was definitely Not objective at all. Just totally bashed joe and took Mal and Rory side.

[@humblebragger500]

U would take the side of an individual thats shady? Shame on you

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Orko told us what he thought about it all. :) I stayed the "mediator" looking at both sides.

[@skyman2968]

My problem with both camps is that neither side is willing to put out there contracts. Yes its likely joe is not telling the truth or leaving out the important parts. But it can also be likely he did not. Who knows? But they all seem unprofessional

[@TopMusicAttorney]

All of this could have been handled more professionally for sure.

[@skyman2968]

@@TopMusicAttorney hi I a question. When joe fired rory he used legal jargon. I found it interacting. If you go back and listen he said ( Rory your in breach of your contract and therefore you are fired and not welcome back). As a lawyer what does that mean when somebody uses that type of the legal jargon to fire somebody. He fired rory he didn't fire Mal just left. Is it possible Rory did breach his contract?

[@KBKriminal]

Also, your statement regarding revenue coming in and immediately being divvied up is just objectively incorrect as well. If (as everyone has already admitted to be the case) Joe is fronting all the expenses for the podcast and incurring expenses on behalf of the podcast then there will be future expenses required to be paid over the 2 year term they had signed with Spotify. To require the revenue received (the advance in your words) to be immediately split up amongst the profit participants immediately upon delivery would defeat the purpose of the profit sharing agreement because it would be splitting gross revenue as opposed to adjusted gross revenue or net income that was agreed upon. Again, this was totally brushed over and you asserted that in your experience that is was typical for revenue to be split immediately as opposed to after expenses throughout the entire term. I enjoy your content as a law student but just think you need to be more precise with your words and owe it to your fans who look to you for a legal prospective to make sure you’re getting it right.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

The standard practice is to pay for expenses off the top, and proceeds are split thereafter. The only way your position would be correct, is if the contract allowed a reserve of funds for future expenses (so meaning, a hold-back had already been agreed to up front by the parties). Neither side has claimed this, but if there was a reservation provision, it would still only be a small amount, say 20%-25%, of the advance, pursuant to industry standard. So as it relates to a $400k advance, a 25% reserve would be $100k, and the $300k would have been split amongst the profit participants. Again, neither side has specifically claimed this, and it sounds like Joe held back the entire $400k, which is likely in breach of the parties' agreement, no matter how you slice it :)

[@KBKriminal]

@@TopMusicAttorney That just isn't true. If you watched the podcast immediately after Rory and Mal left permanently, Joe's manager discusses that when the profit sharing agreement was first discussed Rory and Mal wanted projections made on the expenses associated with the podcast so that they could understand what their share of the profits might be after all expenses were paid during the term of the agreement (to make projections on their own personal bills that would have to be paid). They go on to explain that they gave these projection to Rory and Mal and that was what they were agreed to be paid until true profits were realized, specifically because Joe would still be fronting all of the expenses of the podcast when they moved forward with the deal as he had done since the beginning of the show. This is also the exact explanation for why Joe and the rest of his team states that Rory and Mal are overpaid, because he paid them off projections of what he thought the expenses might be over the period of the term with Spotify. Turns out as Joe, his accounting team and the rest of his team state, they overpaid Rory and Mal because the anticipated expenses were actually lower than the actual expenses incurred and Rory and Mal confirm they believe this to be true in their response video. The only way your position would be correct is if, there were not going to be expected future expenses during the term of their agreement with Spotify which we know not to be the case because Joe has employees he pays to keep the podcast running. A perfect example of this would if 3 band partners who had a profit sharing agreement amongst the group where one band member would front all expenses for the band in return for a higher percentage of profits and then the band received an advance from a label in the amount of $100K. For arguments sake lets say the profit splits were 50-25-25 with the 50% going to the band member paying the expenses. They wouldn't be able to spit the gross revenue right after receiving it because they would still have to pay production fees (music production, recording, mixing and master) for the project from the advance associated with the project, they cannot simply pay for expenses off the top until the entire project is finished which at the very least would take months and potentially years. If they simply paid out all 3 band partners immediately after receiving the adanvce then there would be no capital left to pay for the production costs associated with the project. The band member who fronted all expenses for the band would have to come out of pocket for the production fees. For arguments sake lets say that its a 10 track album and for all production costs lets say each song out the door costs $2500 a piece. That would be a total of 25K (10 tracks x $2500= $25K). Instead of the splits being 50K-25K-25K the splits would end of being 25k-25k-25k and the profit sharing agreements purpose would be defeated because the band member who was coming out of pocket for years before the advance and now being forced to come out of pocket after the adanvce would have his profits depleted because of how the agreement was executed. This is not common practice and not how business would be conducted within the entertainment industry with profit sharing agreements. They would have to either make projections on future production costs and pay the band partners accordingly or wait to be paid out until true profits are realized. So when you say that standard practice is to pay for expenses off the top and then immediately pay out proceed thereafter, this is just not the case and you should be more precise with your words. Also, both Rory and Mal and Joe have made statements confirming exactly this and also Rory and Mal have stated they believe they were overpaid because Joe paid them out on projected expenses. So when you say that neither side has claimed this, that is just an objectively incorrect statement. Why would Rory and Mal admit to being overpaid, why would projections need to be made on expenses throughout the term if revenue were to be split directly after receiving the adanvce without consideration of future expenses? That analysis just just doesn't make sense. Also, I don't think you understand the discussion regarding the 400K error. That was never discussed as if that were the total advance from Spotify just an error that everyone involved agreed was an error. I don’t mean to come off as harsh but I love legal content that involves contemporary issues going on throughout the world but I think that you owe it to the legal community to make sure you are getting it right or least making correct conclusions with the information we have. Love your content don’t stop just keep getting better (:

[@humblebragger500]

@@KBKriminal before the Spotify deal mal and rory were not being paid.

[@KBKriminal]

@@humblebragger500 Yes. What does this have to do with anything I stated above?

[@montierejohnson3917]

ICE & ISH should have declined to come back on after seeing what he did to Rory & Mal, if I were them after hearing all of that I would have stood on the side of you wrong my Dude Peace we can’t do this, & then the Olivia D accusations dude you through with me period.

[@149nickjones]

The show is way better with Ice and Ish.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Good to know it's still going strong. Thanks for watching!

[@dreammaker2344]

I thought this was unbiased but you 2 seem to be rori fans.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

We've been fans of the JBP for a long time. I played "mediator" for both sides for this video :) Orko gave us his thoughts. Thanks for watching!

[@jiggzie91]

Lmao look how this guy puts on a hat.. Instantly don't believe a thing he says lol... Cyaaaaaa

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Orko is a long time musician and music producer. Definitely give him a listen :) Thanks for watching!

[@chucklevi1142]

I fuck with this page! Orko is dope too but fam fix your hat! Lmao either backwards or forwards bruh

[@TopMusicAttorney]

It's a vibe. A lot of guys do it, I think it looks great. :) Thanks for watching Chuck.

[@icoleman007]

Joe is MC Hammer trying to employee his homies Smh.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

It's pretty common practice. Worked well for years, but the business practices just needed to be much better. Always do proper accounting and contracts, it protects everyone and keeps things flowing smoothly!

[@jamilbelle]

I haven’t missed Rory and Mal TBH. And frankly it was headed this way for a long time. And anyone saying they can’t wait to watch their show is living in the moment 😂. I Wish them well though 🙏🏽

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Everyone will do really well while going their separate ways for sure!

[@LANDO57]

I ride with Joe.

[@Shadowserpant00]

lol

[@TopMusicAttorney]

He's already moved on and doing well for sure!

[@jonathanaragon5819]

Kind of a shame the guest you brought on has a bias. Speaking on his time in slaughterhouse like it was simply him trashing em. They have all openly spoke about not having certain control nor the features they expected in good faith. Joe decided to leave then gave a poor review resulting in friction. Then it became a big issue.. The rest of his take is very bias.

[@TopMusicAttorney]

I remained neutral while my guest stated his opinion, yes. Thank you for watching!

[@jonathanaragon5819]

@@TopMusicAttorney you definitely did speak more in reaction to evidence as opposed to initial bias. It was definitely neutral. I appreciate your channel and have been watching your vids to learn about starting the business side of my music

[@JoshVas]

All i wanna know: If they were partners, why would they need to go through Joe for information on deals? It sounds like y they were employees to me

[@JoshVas]

Rory and Mal need to hire you!

[@TopMusicAttorney]

@@JoshVas 🔥

[@TopMusicAttorney]

If true, they were not employees, and were allowed to see the accounting, contractually. The JBP had, and still has, a duty to disclose the accounting. Thanks for watching!

[@truthspeaks01]

@@TopMusicAttorney profit part. says it all. individuals become so hung up on the language they ignore the important pieces of info. If im getting paid on % there is a huge difference of getting paid 15% of 6,000,000 and 15% 600,000. those bags are vastly different so im going to want to see those numbers "employee" or not. oh and listening > hearing folks with all due respect.

[@truthspeaks01]

oh and this is me agreeing with you @Top Music Attorney

[@dreamqueen317]

Y’all couldn’t pay the 2 dollars on Vimeo? That’s nasty

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Not sure who you're speaking to, but for me I will keep my show on KZbin. Thanks for watching!

[@certifiedmixtapez9155]

Sounds kinda biased not a mediation

[@laydijae]

The law is biased........................

[@certifiedmixtapez9155]

@@laydijae so what your point? She said mediation.

[@laydijae]

@@certifiedmixtapez9155 The mediator is supposed to be only on the side of the law... hence her bias.

[@certifiedmixtapez9155]

Ok 👌 Mediation is used to resolve the disputes. There was a lot brought up that wasn’t addressed. But they did bring up other unrelated situations so I felt it was biased.

[@laydijae]

@@certifiedmixtapez9155 Not sure what unrelated stuff was brought up, but fair enough. Blessings.

[@isaelmartinez]

Even if they were salary employees, wouldn’t you still receive a pay stub that breaks down what you got paid and why you got paid that amount? Not necessarily looking at the books, but some form of a break down would still be given?

[@TopMusicAttorney]

One would think so, but they claim they only got what they said they got. If it goes to court, the proof will come out for sure!

[@hollywoodroyalt76]

Just because they are calm doesn't mean they are right and everyone knows that Joe is loud and boisterous being loud when speak doesn't make u crazy or a liar just saying

[@TopMusicAttorney]

True, we just meant they handled themselves more professionally :)