Entire M4 Lineup Leaked... Why Are We Still Here?

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[@rg975]

M1 family was just too good. That entire line is holding up so well, I don’t see most upgrading for another 5 years

[@FlyingArtz.]

Agreed

[@NunoFilipe99]

Can you play cyberpunk on it ? Like actually being able to play, not just run it at 5 fps? No.

[@newezreal3241]

@@NunoFilipe99 like on any macbook

[@xiaoxinbenjy]

Agreed ❤

[@gamertech9871]

Lemme give you some life advice, people are stupid

[@DOGroove]

Part of me really wants an M4 Max Studio… but the other part of me realizes my M1 Mac Mini is still working great.

[@kriss12loverap]

depends on what you use your mac for, if its music production getting a better chip than m1 can be great. but the m1 is better than what msot people need anyways.

[@brianthompson9485]

I saved a significant amount of time editing photos and videos jumping from m1 to m3 max.

[@mrangles3402]

​@@brianthompson9485I can't say no to better processors If I can cut my time in half and cut that time in half again, sign me up

[@muchtarlatif3282]

@@brianthompson9485 do people really wait the rendering process like.. second by second? cause I leave it then watch some youtube video all the time :')

[@brianthompson9485]

@@muchtarlatif3282 I don't... but every minute my computer is rendering is work I can't get done on a different project unless I purchase another computer.

[@RSV9]

And … imagine, all that power with 8 Gb of memory... it's crazy 😮😮 😂

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

it's normal and perfectly fine for 99,99% of users, just like EVERY single other manufacturer's base model starts with 8gb. ppl have no clue how computers work and since the industry learned that clearing ram as quickly as possible is not a good idea but use as much as possible is, people think they never have enough ram. which is totally wrong.

[@MrMisticZ]

​@JohnSmith-pn2vl The issue isn't in the amount itself. It's just that you get this amount at a ridiculous price point, and to get just mere 8gb more, you have to pay insane 200$ when you already paid thousands. There is (borderline) no issue with 8gb 1000$ system, but anything that costs over 1500$? That's just corporate greed, and you're condoning it.

[@a-alex-p7033]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vlI wish with M4 the 14 inch base model macbook “pro” would atleast have 12gb.. they can do it, since they already do 24gb of ram.

[@DengueBurger]

@@a-alex-p7033totally agree, 12GB would be a happy medium between corporate greed and consumer-friendly, unironically, that’s the compromise we have to make in a free market. Anything less than 12GB for a $1000+ laptop in 2024 is absurd.

[@fastrockproductions9788]

Also every component is hard soldered on so you have no hope of upgrading later on if you need to​@@MrMisticZ

[@yippiecalle421]

Apple needs to keep releasing new products yearly. Not because the 1-2 year old shoppers are tired of their Mac’s but it’s because the 8+ year old Mac owners are finally starting to think about upgrading.

[@techware1840]

I’m in Yr 3 with an M1 Pro MBP with no intention or need to upgrade for quite a few years still

[@hebestreitfan6973]

I still recommend the M1 Air

[@techware1840]

@@hebestreitfan6973Never had an Air - it has one less TB/USB4 port than the MBP - I like having the extra port

[@hobosnake1]

@@techware1840 Air is super premium and a great laptop, but I'd prefer a pro. Problem is I don't have much of a use for a laptop most of the time, so I bought an m1 air some time ago. They're awesome. All m1 or later macbooks are just awesome.

[@EvelynHayes97]

@@techware1840 i think apple will kill software support for our M1 pro MBP in 2025 of 2026

[@markwilliamson9199]

Hi Drew, Love your videos, and you are so young :-). I am 65 and did a computer science degree back in 1976 so all modern computers are super fast to me. Back when I started in Aerospace computing, we thought all our problems would be solved once we got faster systems. My first systems were 1 MHz clock, had 4K EPROM and 256 Bytes RAM, and we did algorithms like 2D speed and altitude computation for helicopter air data systems. So my take is these speed bumps are going to be needed, as you and me right now can’t imagine what can be done once you unlock more power. We haven’t reached stability yet, when computation is no longer the limit. Every time we had performance boost (like SPARC in 1989), we then did more, like interactive graphics you take for granted now. When power starts to get close to the human mind, then stability :-) Keep up the good work!

[@JonathanLoganClark]

Good points. Apple’s plans for local AI for every day productivity with privacy will likely need the extra power.

[@unmagicalmushroom]

completely agree, this is where we are with refresh rates already so imagine when tech catches up in all the other aspects

[@baskorosuryaputra1925]

Yearly chip upgrade is a good thing. It means older models go on sale earlier and anyone who decides to get a new computer can have more choice.

[@cjeelde]

This was a big reason that Jobs talked about when he returned to Apple and introduced that "product square": so we can focus on fewer models and update them more frequently. We often saw 2 refreshes per year per Mac model after that. How long should Mac customers need to wait for HDMI 8K support? Wifi 7? Thunderbolt 5? Hardware Ray Tracing? And so on... especially now with SoC and everything soldered. No chance to upgrade anything! Then Apple need to update their Macs frequently enough! It was another situation with PowerMac starting at around 1500 dollar many years ago, then you could add almost anything without the need to wait for 2-3 years for a new Mac that got that as standard. I'm most disappointed about Mac Pro and a bit also about Mac Studio. I know that Apple wanna release a new Mac Studio with a new Ultra chip and we only got M3 Max. M3 Ultra is not yet ready or Apple wanna skip that and go for M4 Ultra? As a customer this situation is HORRIBLE. We don't wanna buy M2 Ultra when M3 Ultra should already exist and M4 is around the corner. Why, Apple?

[@zonedout5998]

Exactly. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. That’s a person’s choice if they want to. They just have options out there in case you are upgrading due to just to have the latest model from last year, or your upgrading from 8 years ago.

[@Bourinos02]

Yeah, more e-waste for no reason...

[@isshikishrankmypp7802]

AI features is just a marketing-scam term for us idiots at this point

[@matthewrichardson2533]

It's a suped up Google search. That almost nobody really needs. I like playing around on it or using it to learn new skills in coding but that's about it

[@brachiator1]

AI is like Aloe Vera. It's everywhere, but largely useless. AI may consume more RAM and resources. Will Apple put 16 GB of RAM into base model laptops?

[@katrinabryce]

Subject lift is an AI feature. Live text is an AI feature.

[@r0main.895]

If they manage over time to create a version of Siri that can see what you are doing for coding for exemple and just ask it what you want and it helps you it might be interesting. But IA could also boost complex render time on different types of projects

[@ulyssas]

@@katrinabryce Exactly! Live text is the best AI feature and I use it pretty often.

[@MorbidGod391]

3:57 this was a big reason why Apple switched over to their own CPU. Intel refresh rates for new processors never matched when Apple wanted to refresh their computer lineup.

[@TailosiveTech]

Now it’s based on when TSMC is ready

[@Dani-kq6qq]

No, you can change design without changing manufacturing process ​@@TailosiveTech

[@cjeelde]

Exactly!

[@TheWallReports]

Apple switched from Intel to their own processor for the same reason they abandoned the IBM/Motorola built PowerPC (PPC) processor in favor of Intel. Intel failed to maintain it's tick-tock production model. Intel hit a process road block upon reaching the 14nm level & was stuck there for several years allowing competitors like TSMC, Samsung and even the AMD spun-off Global-Foundries to surpass them. Under this model there is a die shrink (tick) which delivers a power consumption & TDP reduction followed then by a microarchitecture change (tock) performance increase. Intel were delivering the tocks but the ticks (die shrink). As a result each successor generation released by Intel ran hotter than the prior. These misses placed Apple in a jam & largely responsible for the crap Macs sold after 2012 & 2013 until the M series SoCs came available. Apple had painted themselves into a corner when they designed their Macs & Macbook w/limited thermal management anticipating ticks cycles Intel failed to deliver on. By going w/small & thin form factor cases shoe-horning better thermal management was simply NOT an option.

[@dacoolist]

Working at the pickle factory: I don't even know what's even out anymore.. it was just m2 now we're already on m3..

[@JoveroIV]

M2 Pro getting less than a year of flagship status gave me iPad 3 flashbacks

[@IPULCOLUMBIA]

The M6 will use the MEGA-OPTOOLUS QUATRO TURBO LEVIATHAN CHIP!😮😮😮😮😅

[@EverythingCameFromNothing]

That’s nothing, wait for M7 AWESOMOUS MAXIMUS REVOLUTHIAN CHIP

[@AdityaSingh-zb4ds]

​@@EverythingCameFromNothing wait did you forgot about M8 SUPER ULTRA LEVIATHAN INTENSE FURY HYPER QUADRO QUANTA EXPRESS EXTREME PRO ULTRA CHIP?? Bark Nuremberg says that single chip will be able to cater to whole world's computing power "just a single chip" powering every computer across the world via wired Apple express link interconnect and Apple exclusive Hyper ultra wireless connection

[@EverythingCameFromNothing]

@@AdityaSingh-zb4ds you got me there 😂

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

and i cannot wait for it

[@ArtemShitov]

M4 rapid release is probably influenced by LLMs and Apple's ambition for on-device LLM. I would expect they optimized their neural cores for LLM specific computations.

[@JohnSmith-qt4pv]

You're not going to see LLMs running on an SOC anytime soon. The NPU's are just matrix calculation accelerators good for DSP processing which at this point is almost entirely for voice synthesis and image processing At best you'll be running something a bit more demanding than stable diffusion XL

[@andreamichelezucchi8600]

@@JohnSmith-qt4pv I mean, they already do actually. Ever heard of GPT4All? I use it on my M2 Pro with 16GB of RAM, and their models are fast and precise. It's already here.

[@JohnSmith-qt4pv]

@@andreamichelezucchi8600 gpt4all is just the front-end/backend (koboldAI is what most people are using as their backed) A heavily compressed 13B model at 4bit precision is impressive for what can be squeezed into a 16GB memory budget but it's a very far cry from an uncompressed 70B LLM at full precision.

[@woeye3251]

But you also need lots of memory. Not sure how AI on a machine with 8GB makes sense. But Apple surely will find fancy marketing words to explain it away.

[@andreamichelezucchi8600]

@@woeye3251 Well, they will simply tell people that their M4 can do AI very well, and simply not mention that you have to add $1000 on top of the already high price to get enough memory. Most people fall for it every new release anyway.

[@billiamnotbob]

I'm still satisfied with my M1's. I use a Mac mini and an M1 Mac Book Air. They work just fine for my use case.

[@mendodave]

I have an M1 iMac. It’s my favorite Mac so far. I got the M2 Air because I liked the updated design better but the M2 SOC, I can’t tell the difference from the M1.

[@nekopop8159]

Since most of everyone is saying that the M1 chip is still pretty good, that surprises me. I was considering getting an M2 or M3 but I will look more into the M1 chip now. Thank you!

[@johnborges5938]

Oh please. They're just trying to stay competitive with the market. If they weren't upgrading this fast you'd be whining about how they're not keeping up.

[@honey4xi]

When Apple releases Mac M4 lineup, many Mac users will SCREAM for the fastest and furiousest M4 EXTREME Macs to kill their MOST time-consuming tasks.

[@gsilva877]

If they are fixing the serious security flaw in the speculative execution, then it is justifiable. If not, is just a small refresh

[@Emancipatriot]

1:05 i was wondering how long the skit was going to last. I loved every moment of it lol

[@henryfield15]

AI on the machine, not in cloud. M4

[@woeye3251]

Problem is that those LLMs need big amounts of memory. Which is not really Apple‘s biggest strength. 8GB will be even more of a problem if Apple really wants to go the AI route.

[@xaviermakesart]

Normal people dont buy a new laptop every year. But the companies make new models every year so that the guy who hasn't upgraded in like 5 years can go upgrade. An M4 MacBook Pro would be a big upgrade for someone still running an Intel Mac from like 2018 or whatever.

[@Senshikaji]

I upgraded from a 13inch Intel MacBook Pro 11,1 to my current M3 Pro machine, a 10 year jump, I expect my next upgrade to be similar; ie in about 8 - 10 years! MacBooks just last and keep working well enough to not have to upgrade regularly....

[@KevinTheSoftwareTester]

Can’t believe you used this as the thumbnail 😂

[@esprit101]

Mike Stoklasa really is the gift that keeps on giving

[@hebestreitfan6973]

I don't understand that they are releasing them so quickly. They would still have a perfectly good lineup with M1 or M2.

[@TheStopwatchGod]

Perfectly good, sure, but not quite the best in the computing world.

[@nekopop8159]

I notice that Apple released their products earlier than usual. Especially new phones right after the year of the previous ones.

[@unmagicalmushroom]

depends on what you’re doing tbh

[@hasansahin7965]

@@TheStopwatchGod Perfectly good but there are some intense competitions out there. Apple just trying to stay competitive.

[@kenziemackinnon7618]

I mean the one thing at this point for me is sufficient compute power for neural network training that rivals a full fledged nvidia GPU. The unified memory system is great for being able to hold a NN in memory for alot of instances but the speed hasn't been shown at least in videos of people comparing them to be equal. I haven't been able to really benchmark a highend mac studio for example, for my specific use cases though so it might already be close enough

[@tedheli1455]

One thing that's good about this fast paced performance buffing is that the base models will be more and more capable and we'll soon have old devices that are very cheap and affordable yet has plenty of performance for their usage... I mean it can gain some market share for apple as windows machines are mainly used because they're the only cheap options. So now that there will be cheap Macs with much better quality and performance, in my book its a good thing for the world.

[@christopherwood12]

Imagine if apple started upping their phone chips even more and allowed booting into a desktop os on iPhone and iPad through an adapter. So like iOS/Mac OS hybrid like with Samsung and their desktop

[@awdadwadwad1723]

You finally managed to make your video looking actually good again, like you had years ago already… what happened? XD

[@chemicheto]

m4 was rushed to compete with the upcoming Qualcomm X Elite release

[@emo65170.]

The Mac Pro chassis has a lot of "thermal headroom" for future pro-oriented chips which will undoubtedly generate even more heat.

[@kolakola7727]

Still on my M1 and still going strong.

[@thebaldnerd1989]

I was so ready for a Dragon Ball Z reference in that skit at the beginning. Like Goku and his speech about going even further beyond to Super Saiyan 3 lol

[@ichsanrahmanto]

My M1 air still strong enough for the next 8 years lol

[@anetizen6404]

AI features... Kirin 970 from 2017 already has an NPU for AI tasks on the smartphone. What else does the M4 family of chips need?

[@corrd3ll647]

Coming from a maxed out 27” 2017 iMac recently, I’m good with my 12/18/36 2tb 16” M3MBP for while to come

[@Pouya82]

Had not gotten your page as a suggesten in my feed for a very very long time. So glad that this one popped back up again. Hopefully I'll get more of it now. I am still rocking my MBP 2013 15". I was about to upgrade to the M3 MBP but ended up not doing so. Like you pointed out, I'll probably wait for M4, and if they don't create a pink Elephant flying through a maze then I'll try to go with an older M3 that is discounted.

[@anonymoustechguy5073]

Ordered a used entry level 14 inch M3 (yes I know the chip that’s supposed to be way different from the m2) to replace my 13 inch OG M1 from 2020. I think the display and maybe the chip speakers webcam upgrade etc will be worth it to me.

[@johnatkinson1111]

I feel like if they’re switching to the M4 they’ll focus more on the desktop lineup first with the MacBooks coming later as it seems a bit too soon for MacBook refreshes again, especially as we haven’t gotten M3 Mac mini, studio, or pro yet. I do hope we get more powerful desktop chips like a M4 Extreme, in particular focusing on GPU performance, the Mac Pro was extremely disappointing because it was just a more expensive Mac Studio rather than taking advantage of the additional space.

[@arofhoof]

One reason to buy a new mac is that the M4 will likely fix the hardware bug that allow to crack encryption.

[@DrVimto]

i hope they fixed the hardware vulnerability issue with the early m series in the new m4 range..

[@dravago17]

I'm just glad people are keeping their devices longer these days.

[@sweealamak628]

Everyone's just going nuts over M4 trying to figure out what's the point of it in a Mac... forgetting that Apple makes these chips not only for Macs but for other products as well. They're working towards robots now, so this journey towards extreme TOPS for AI compute is necessary to achieve that ultimate goal. In the mean time, the M4 will end up in iPad, Vision Pro and even new first gen robots that they are developing.

[@venturoboy]

Your comment just reminded me about the vision pro... that seems to be dead, don't see much about them now the hype has gone.

[@Everyday-man]

Whats the GPU looking for the m4? Is it a real improvement over m3 or no point. Im trying to decide if i should get the next ipad pro or wait another year.

[@lolfreakwaca4328]

Its an IPad.. the M1 is already too much for that. The M2 is complete overkill, and the M3 will be a basically pointless upgrade from the Chip side. Sure there are rumors of an OLED screen, so If you‘re Interested in that, you can wait, but if you just want an Ipad and you can Live with the MiniLED in the current Ipad Pro, just go for that. The M3 won‘t really make a difference.

[@FinaLana-ir2jp]

Neural chip so strong, when you open Chat GPT it asked the human philosophical questions

[@housepianist]

Not sure why we need these advanced processors coming out in such a short time. I have an M2 iPad Pro 12.9. It’s WAY more than what I need, especially for the relatively simple OS for it.

[@OfficialDarkSoulMusic]

I'm just gonna get my M3 Air and call it a day. Have fun Tim.

[@a.tevetoglu3366]

The Computing sector will take losses due to the business model of renting software. Not everyone can afford the software anymore. And that will make it obsolete to buy the productivity hardware.

[@PC-hj4wg]

This guy has balls, only tech youtuber worth watching

[@ryoc1]

I remember bringing this up this inevitable conundrum with Apple Silicon a couple years ago on one of your lives, Drew. There will be a point where performance improvements will not be super relevant because its already so good. There has to be something else to entice people to upgrade.

[@ghost-user559]

Isn’t that what the iPhone has been forever now though? And it is ultimately a good thing for us. It means that we can get deals on amazing devices only a year old or so, and even better deals on older than that. That way whenever anyone is looking to upgrade they have options no matter what.

[@ryoc1]

@@ghost-user559 that may be true but I’d imagine people upgrade their phones more often than their computers. Phones have been commoditized so you can argue they warrant a more frequent release cycle as opposed to a computer you’ll keep for many years.

[@ghost-user559]

@@ryoc1 Maybe, idk. I know most real people keep both as long as possible. I think its more a matter of knowing that whenever a person does decide to upgrade the option is always the latest and greatest. If you finally go to upgrade and you find out they are the only company selling old stock while others have some top of the line design, why would you upgrade in that case?

[@jronmantech]

I have considered upgrading my M1 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch to a Studio just because of the additional ports. I already use 2 dongles and I wouldn’t mind being able to get rid of at least one.

[@Khari99]

I just want an OLED screen and FaceID until then im sticking with my M1 Macbook Pro for a laptop. The only Mac I'm looking to get coming up is either the Studio or the Mac Pro depending on what chipset it'll get

[@RobloxianX]

i'm so excited for the extreme chips coming out

[@nekopop8159]

They gonna be crazy powerful

[@scooter5480]

I think the objective is instant everything. Zero wait time.

[@SaveMeAzathoth]

I think that frequent, minor improvement releases are actually a good thing. Each year the people pulling the trigger on a new Mac can either cash in on some degree of annual improvements or get the discount on older models, and the expected next-year improvement is small enough to reduce FOMO on holding out. As opposed to the same models sitting at the same price for years as they age until suddenly a new big release and sucks to be the people who replaced their computer just before several years of advancements dropped all at once. The problem is that Apple feels the need to overhype each release as though they're reinventing the Mac every year.

[@Bestprogram-tech]

Hello, is Legacy patcher usable on Apple Silicon?

[@nylotical]

Why would you use patcher on M series when all of them are supported for the next 10 years?

[@synonys]

The Bootloader on Apple Silicon isn’t locked down. You can boot Linux.

[@spinthma]

I think the main reason Apple is rushing is the upcoming Qualcomm Elite X, with just the M2 Line Up, it would look really good against the M2, Apple fixed this with the surprising Intro of the M3, also the Npu of M3 is still 2-3 times slower than the current Qualcomm Elite X, which will be fixed with M4, also wih M4 the come to a much cheaper Node 3 processing.

[@chipcurry]

It doesn't cost them that much to upgrade the stuff, they keep the same boxes and everything, and they just give people a reason to buy, they get press out of it and there's an incremental increase for those who are hungry for it. I for one am quite thrilled with my M1 MacBook Pro.

[@matthewwakefield6321]

There is the chip design and the process to consider here. M3 is on a dead end process, a hack to deal with manufacturing issues. Apple can’t invest more design time on the M3 family as they can’t move it to newer processes. So if they want new chip features (and they do need it for the desktops) they have to jump to new designs for M4 on the process that the M3 was supposed to be on. This is the price for not delaying M3 and A17. So they kept the M3 line up closer to the A17 to get 3nm into phone and some 3nm benefit in M3, but doing most of the large design roadmapped changes in M4 so they can reuse the work on the next process variants. Very sensible IMO

[@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4]

Then don’t release the N3B based M3 in the first place

[@tankefreud]

I think that what they are really doing is integrating AI in all of the M4 lineup. That is the main reason they are skipping the m3 altogether

[@TheAnthonyLJ]

Unfortunately, I do not feel the need to upgrade. I got the redesigned 14” MBP and it works great at most things. I want to get a new MBP to try out the new chips, but there just isn’t a big enough incentive to do so.

[@doomy_doomy2225]

Computers have never been something to upgrade every year. Majority buy them and keep them for years. Never seen someone upgrade their laptops every year like tech reviewers push people to do. Drew is one of the few that would slap your hand and just say M1 Refurbished and knock the card out of your hand.

[@mopishlynx2323]

Aaaaand they're doing M4 already; didn't even wait for the end of the year like they said. *And why on the iPad first??*

[@therealgod9859]

This might have been compelling if there were more games developed for mac. I just hope apple goes to the standard 2-3 year release cycle that amd/intel/nvidia have.

[@phbrinsden]

I’m totally happy with my M2 MB Air with Studio monitor and wireless peripherals. As a “normal user” this is all I will need for years. Fabulous computers.

[@97nelsn]

I don’t even have an M-series Mac, yet, and I’m debating whether or not I want to buy a closeout M2 Pro MBP, a new M3 Pro MBP, or a used M1 Pro MBP.

[@tmanF4]

Get yourself the M2 Pro MBP, as maxed as you can manage. I chose the M3 Pro and it’s barely any different from my GF’s M2 Pro.

[@divinediplo]

Thought the M3 was the new thing with the 3 nanometer architecture. Just when i decided to get it the M4 reports are here with the biggest AI upgrade ever according to Gurman. One cannot truly enjoy a new piece of hardware anymore.

[@TailosiveTech]

Hence why I advice buy used and refurbished. Just save your money, if you want the latest and greatest, you’ll never be satisfied

[@divinediplo]

@@TailosiveTech not much difference. Same money for M2 max here in the UK. Decided on efficiency over performance with the M3 pro. Point being, people realistically started getting their M3 delivered beginning of 2024, the new Air came out literally last month. It puts you off as a consumer. At the end of the day the investors need to be satisfied and influencers need content. So here we are.

[@ghost-user559]

@@divinediploI’d argue its much better for consumers. It means no matter when you decide to upgrade you get the best of the best. And it means that a used device will always be relevant even if its only a year old, but it will still be significantly cheaper.

[@techguypaul]

Apple literally can't do an M3 Ultra except from the ground up cause the M3 Max doesn't have an UltraFusion connection on the die, so it literally makes the most sense to start with the M4 Ultra on the new process node and work down from there to the M4 later in the year. Plus they're not going to put chips on an old node in a computer that's supposed to last longer like the Studio or Pro.

[@EnricoGolfettoMasella]

With AI fever now, having a chip that can inference a Llama 3 on premise makes total sense!

[@filterdecay]

as soon as i saw the thermal characteristics of the m1 studio I knew they had many iterations to go as it didnt even use the thermal cooling available.

[@MasterSnaker]

Upgrading from an i5 dual-core to an M1 Pro was a huge upgrade for me. I don’t know if my next upgrade will be as remotely Earth-shattering as that was; despite Apple’s uncanny ability to make everything seem as such.

[@DummyFace123]

I think the next big thing will be a digital assistant that is actually useful, that can actually do things for you. Thats probably what all the ai and neural engines are about is enabling your devices to have agency and help you with stuff

[@peterpayne2219]

Pisses me off as I'm in the market for an M3 Mac Mini now.

[@vernearase3044]

M4 will probably feature an enhanced neural engine as well as preloaded model(s) in ROM (so it won't have to loaded into RAM). Hopefully they'll have the ability to flash updates from time to time.

[@TheRealWinsletFan]

I think its quite valid for Apple to compare their new lines to 5 year old lines - Like everyone I know I'm updating Macs on a 5-8 year cycle. Though I have 3, so I get a new one every 2-3 years.

[@johnphamlore8073]

I'm curious if Apple has internal server racks that are basically Apple silicon Xserves. What are they training their AIs on?

[@ScottGrunwald]

I'm still using M1 Max with 32 GB of ram. Only real reason I'm looking to upgrade potentially with m4 is I need more RAM and the increased multi core power will be great and significant GPU power from m1 max. I would really like to see some improvements to the chassis since it's been several years now, even subtle ones like adding FaceID since there is a notch there since day.

[@PeterKoperdan]

I'm curious, why do you need more RAM?

[@asvphios9996]

wtf? 32gb of ram is not enough? Are you watching 8k porn or what? 😂

[@ScottGrunwald]

@@PeterKoperdan I do some software development that requires many docker containers + many active instances of IDE's running a gang of micro services. Add some safari tabs + simulators and a few other programs and my laptop is utilizing swap bc 32gb isn't enough. I'm thinking 64 will be enough for me.

[@TheSteveSteele]

On the other hand, there are industries that need more memory than 256GBs. And some pro apps in some industries aren’t yet perfectly tuned for Apple Silicon. So, some of us, a minority I know, need 512GBs of memory and as many fast CPU cores as possible. It’s the same crowd that spent $50k on the 2019 Mac Pro. Most people don’t need this, but these technologies are definitely needed.

[@smallmoneysalvia]

I think it's a process change thing, as m3 was done on a dead end TSMC process

[@JonathanLoganClark]

My 16” M1 Max 64GB RAM is still amazing and breezes through the graphics processing and software development work I do daily for work. It is awesome to be running local servers, processing graphics, and running several different creative apps without slowing. This is likely to be great for much longer.

[@sotonin]

Yes i have this exact machine. It's a beast and still runs the same as the day I bought it. Apple made M1 too good and now they are regretting it.

[@gamester0123]

Juat bought an M1 Macbook AIr from walmart for $699. It is wonderful and I am enjoying everything the M1 has to offer. It is still very good! Exactly what I needed to replace my mid 2019 macbook pro with an intel chip. It is miles better in every way and no fans! Anyone who got an M1 device on release made out like bandits!

[@TailosiveTech]

Sweet deal!

[@iCaveDave]

I don’t feel like Apple’s “rushing” to get M4 out the door bang on a year after M3, that’s just what they always intended. M chips share the cores from A chips which are designed annually. Everything getting annual updates just makes sense.

[@zeronyne]

I have an M1 Mini and an M2 Pro Mini. I'm happy to upgrade, but I'm starting to get really sick of them not clearly explaining how the tiers overlap. I create audio and animation as part of my job, and I'm not feeling a noticeable performance bump going from M1 to M2 Pro. This probably means that I have reached a level where, unless the software I use increases their requirements, I have met my computing needs in terms of speed and capabilities. The short videos that are my bread and butter render so fast that I'm not sure that it needs to be any faster. So I hope the M4 is compelling for creatives.

[@VincentStevenStudio]

Im just waiting on a new Mac Studio. Was thinking about getting an M2, but since we're already into the middle of the year, I'll just wait for the next one wether its M3 or M4.

[@Alex-vp4ky]

Honestly id just rather they release macbooks in august/september-right in time for students going back to school. Then desktop macs in December or January. Most ppl want macbooks but obviously certain workflows are better on desktop. But this leapfrog effect of only certain m4 macs at this time, then spring or summer of next yr for the other m4 entry macs. But inbetween time the m4pro/max comes out. Studio skips a gen, mac mini entry vs mac mini with pro chip-all of this is unnecessary. All the power in them is suuuuper sufficient for the masses, and waiting a yr between each would be perfectly fine

[@KoenKooi]

I still feel zero incentive to upgrade my m1 ultra mac studio. But my work laptop is a 2020 intel MBP, I very much want to get that upgraded :)

[@gabe6959]

We need more software support for MacOS. We do not care for rendering videos faster. We want full fledged gaming

[@protoman2260]

I upgraded my 13 M1 MacBook Air to a 14 M2 MacBook Pro and while it’s not the newest I think it’s a decent upgrade that will keep me going for at least 5 years,

[@TheRealWinsletFan]

The local AI app I run on the M2 machine isn't making use of the NP cores, the GPU is much faster. I wonder if that's finally going to change.

[@ghost-user559]

Which one do you use? So far I think only Stable Diffusion has apps that take advantage of them.

[@514AlexG]

2:55 it actually feels… scary fast.

[@bobbastian760]

They're releasing new mac CPUs really fast. This is bad because?!?!?!?! Sounds good to me.

[@lycanthoss]

It's bad because youtubers can't hype a product so that consumers purchase something they don't really need.

[@KlutchAndJerel]

Recently got a M1 Pro 14in w/ 32gb ram and 1tb ssd on eBay for $1400. A few dings on a the lid, and battery health is at 90%, but otherwise I’m thrilled with the value. Replaced my 2013 iMac that hasn’t gotten software updates in years. Really interested to see what these “ai focused” apple chips will really offer… and how they’ll differ between the M and the A series chips…. cuz if I can get all the new ai features by getting the new phone (vs new Mac/ipad), then that’s what I’ll be doing.

[@kinocchio]

I hope they update all macs in one go. I don’t want to wait for Mac Studio for another 18 months …

[@maamiimii]

If the M4 Pro isn’t relatively as powerful as the M1 Pro was in its line up I really see no reason to upgrade any time soon tbh. The way they handled the M3 Pro felt like a push to get people to buy M3 Max instead and adding any new variants early on feels like putting the Max in the place the Pro was before (for a higher price though, of course lol).

[@yoshikinanami7434]

I actually would not have upgraded from a Mac Pro 3,1 to M1 Mac Mini if the gpu didn’t die on me. Sure yeah editing photos is really slow but having upgradable storage is just sooo nice.

[@DraganBakema]

Still rocking my M1 Macbook Air. And still, it is up to par. Best laptop I ever bought. Bought it new over 2 years ago for 1099,- including tax. Will use it for another 10 months. That's 3 years! So, 30,- a month. (if I don't sell it, if I sell it, even cheaper than 30 a month) No laptop in the past has given me so much value for so little. Amazing battery life, great performance, perfect form-factor.

[@valentinpedersen6144]

It is because they need to move on to a more mature "3nm" process at tsmc. The current node is extremely expensive, which is why they won't roll it out to their whole platform.

[@crispyjokingtuna1495]

If Apple is messing with the die sizing for the M4 chips it will make the performance numbers be interesting sure, but I’m interested to see the teardowns to see the physical chip size differences

[@yperokeanios]

8:41 Wallpaper name?

[@lucidf8]

I’ve still got an Intel Mac, and it works fine. Mostly, I use my 4 year old iPad Pro, and my iPhone 15. I can’t keep everything current, so I leap frog one device at a time. The Mac is getting a bit dated, but I still get bug fixes and security updates on Monterey. It’s a 2016 Mac, but at 8 years old, it does basic things pretty well. I think an M3 or and M4 would be overkill for my needs. Probably a lot of people feel that way.

[@a7xcss]

OMG! ...this changes everything..!

[@closeben]

The M1 has been excellent for me with light gaming and multi-stream video editing, but I’m always running out of storage space. I wish they’d let me buy a new M1 MBP with an 8TB drive for the price of a new M3 1TB.

[@NineInchTyrone]

Sell them with more RAM and SSD at base price