ENTP vs. ENFJ - ILE vs. EIE - Explained Correctly

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@Tified967 3 ай бұрын

In CPT the ENFJ & ENTP are both Fe convergent types. The irony being despite the ENFJ being an Fe dominant, Fe dominance does not equate to 'force' but rather imbues all the other functions with a prosocial utility. Ironically Fe is much more apparent in the Fe agency types - ENTP & ENFJ which bares true to my experience. ENFJs actually come off as a lot more Ti centric & serious given that Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda. They also tend to have the most fluid axis & thus rotating on that axis is easy for them. I believe many ESFPs mistype as ENFJ whereas a lot of Ti doms are actually ENFJs. It's worth noting I'm a TiNi ENFJ divergent subtype in CPT & hence socially ambiverted but my energy is very much conserved for theorisation. Indeed FeSe is a discerning lense unlike the the FeNe of the ESFJ that predominates most type descriptions; ENFJs tend to be ambiverts at best. It's worth noting a know a few ENFJs with a heavy TeNe dip - it can sometimes be difficult to distinguish these guys from ESTJs dependent upon their intratype. I wouldn't say ENFJs place little emphasis on FiSi given they have a heavy dip from their FeSe - when FeSe is in motion FiSi is felt the greatest. One of my ENFJs idols once said 'what matters is the truth not what you think about it.' I think this is a very Ti statement & thus serves to illustrate the extent the ENFJ operates from hyperdivergent Ti & from a point of pragmatism. We're we're discussing in CPT that ENFJs are the most strategic type owing to Ni authority & TiNi divergence something that is generally attributed to ENTJs & INTJs. Irrespective, I might not agree with everything you've said but kudos for highlighting the similarities. MBTI tends to present types in such extreme/binarised forms that in terms of underlying neurology they're simply not true to reality. I will say despite being an abstract TiNi thinker I do have a heavy SiTi parallel network so I can be equally be adept with the details so to speak but yes where I struggle is often in terms of short term memory despite having an exceptional working memory as most ENFJs do as this is contingent upon TiNi divergence. You've hit the nail on the head re discovering values as FiSi the pairing both utilise is naturally about excavation of one's values over time. I wouldn't say however that the ENFJ is more spiritual indeed as both Michael Pierce & CPT have emphasised they tend to be the most read up upon science, economic, philosophy and so forth - they're highly intellectual types. I'm certainly not spiritual at all I think even for the entp this is gonna be contingent upon factors superfluous to cognition. I agree however that both want to elicit transformation and both take very little BS from other people. TiNi unlike the ENTPs SiTi is naturally theoretical in nature, it's the 'backbone' of their cognition. The ENTP is a concrete logical sequential type owing to SiTi but the ENFJ IS A THINKING TYPE as much as they are a feeling type - the same for the ENTP. The ENTP is actually an NeFe convergent type. It's how they use their approach to logic differs that is important: the ENFJ is by far more abstract in this regard owing to TiNi divergence. There's no way as a divergent subtype that anyone would devote me primarily as a feeling type indeed we all think & feel it's just contingent upon the perceiving function it's attached to. The ENTP is abstract when it comes to the feeling world whereas the ENFJ is concrete & specific like the ESTP & ISTP. ENTPs & ENFJs of course also have access to each others networks dependent again upon intratype and the respective gateways. I certainly utilise ENTP a lot in my working capacity. Neurology would of course back this up - we're all changing subnetworks at a high frequency contingent upon what the context necessitates.

@giusemineo 2 ай бұрын

absolutely true in my experience as an EIE

@jonathansun4831 3 ай бұрын

Beta is really just about Fe and Ti. It’s about the greater good and the common logical understanding that allows people within a society to communicate with each other. Beta is balanced between alpha which is focused on creating new concepts and living an enjoyable life and gamma who seeks mental well being, purpose, and action. Delta allows for individuality and ability to think for oneself. Te and Fi are subjective whereas Fe and Ti are objective in the common meaning of the word.

@WorldSocionics 2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what in Beta would put the rational elements over the irrational elements, except perhaps clockwise/anticlockwise

@jonathansun4831 2 ай бұрын

The ESE and EIE are in the same quadra because they are seeking the same goal of Fe, one at a local and another at the global level due to Se and Ne (as a strong or demonstrative function within each respective type) being about details versus the bigger picture. Ne and Se( as a mobilizing function of each respective type) within each person acts as the personal means and motivation to achieve one’s own purpose which is related to the first function. It fuels the individual to focus on one’s egoic mind. The suggestive is the appreciation of others and through Ti one gains the creative energy in the form of the demonstrative which allows a person to actually achieve his own objectives. Therefore each person thrives by connecting to others(not necessarily externally) and themselves(not necessarily internally) . The SLE is a gamma type in the sense that he is driven by purpose and action not mainly by society. For the EIE it's about " I have the personal strength to use my natural creativity and understanding to create a better society" , For the SLE it's about "I have personally gained enough friends that will support me in achieving my goals using my natural intelligence". The main point is that these functions are secondary to the lead and "demonstrative" , the demonstrative is not really demonstrative, it's a persons natural talents gained through connection and with others, or the "source" some what call it. I hope you understand my perspective.

@sirzero3785 2 ай бұрын

ENTP vs ESTP Next

@jaredvaughan1665 3 ай бұрын

Jack, why would you imply that Right/Process types ILE progresses by going from intuition-thinking and jumping over sensing to get to feeling and EIE progesses by going from Feeling-intuition and jumping over logic to get to sensation? Jack, there is no healthy jumping in the The Beneficiary (G) and Supervision (A) Rings. As Right/Process types both ILE and EIE progress in the Mental and Vital Rings by following this pattern: Feeling-Intuition-Logic-sensation-Feeling-Intuition-Logic-sensation-Feeling-Intuition-Logic-sensation-Feeling-Intuition-Logic-sensation-Feeling-Intuition-Logic-sensation- Hence I recommend: EIE's feeling-intuition gravitates to intellectual pursuits. And that they then use remaining leftover energy for sensory pursuits. ILE's intuition-logic gravitates to sensory pursuits. And use remaining leftover energy for feeling pursuits.

@WorldSocionics 3 ай бұрын

I think you could benefit from re-watching Module 3 Part II of my course. Every type exhibits growth from the Demonstrative to the Mobilising, and the Leading sits as the axis between them. When this growth is in line with typical information metabolism, it is a Clockwise type. When the growth goes against typical information metabolism, it's is an anti-Clockwise type.

@jaredvaughan1665 3 ай бұрын

Ok I'll take a look at that again. I think we both agree that growth comes by moving from the Demonstrative to the Mobilizing. The only question I have is do you advice people to jump from the Demonstrative directly to the Mobilizing without first developing the Role in the middle. I'll take a look at the slides to see if you answer that. Thanks

@Tified967 2 ай бұрын

As an ENFJ divergent TiNi is the backbone of our cognition. We're compromised, all of us, of and cerebral & limbic pathways. There's no such thing as having 'feeling pursuits. I guarantee you now that ENFJs are high class intellectuals; FeSe is simply the means by which we communicate our divergent TiNi.